as normal is the problem to saudi crown prince wanted to show he could boost the saudi economy that it could go beyond oil real estate and big infrastructure construction that it could trigger invest or to kick start a knowledge economy to kick start an industry of robots especially to build heats touristic c.t. but all that seems enjoy your party because these needs fresh capital not just recycling the oil rent but having investors from abroad from the west from china and japan coming this is less promising her also given what you're saying where does that leave vision twenty thirty even well might happen in twenty fifty. more seriously i think that for now the momentum is not there so they are very unlikely to have the kind of diversification the wait is now they are very unlikely to have the kind of diversification they aspire to where they have to raise more debt than to fund some of these twenty thirty projects that could be a solution where will that leave the deficit budget deficit well that's the main concern because especially this year they have a significant budget defici

was killed in a saudi consulate. i'm richelle carey this is al jazeera life and also coming up the pastor at the center of a diplomatic dispute between the u.s. and turkey is in court for his latest hearing a funeral is underway in bulgaria to remember a journalist who was raped and murdered. and how devastating floods in nigeria could cause a shortage of food. american media is reporting that the turkish government has told us it has proof that journalist was killed inside the saudi consulate in istanbul he was last seen walking into the building on october second to get documentation for his upcoming marriage decker as live for us and. there's not been a lot of official confirmation on the record from turkey but there are so many things coming out and leaks and the details of things were hearing are are startling they're jarring what else do we know. that's right it seems ankara is using the media to get their message out without officially going on camera and the latest ones are extraordinary allegations richelle

you name it, the saudi arabiays, which has -- saudi arabia has a lot of money and a great deal of it is invested in the united states. and then equally saudi arabia is a key player in terms of intelligence, both in terms of tracking terrorist funding and financing. but also in sharing intelligence through its agents around the world and heading off terrorist attacks in the past. very, very close to mi-6 in the united kingdom, the cia, they work hand in glove together. losing that kind of relationship would be seen as disastrous in a number of western capitals. notwithstanding the horror that is reported to -- that western intelligence officials expressed having seen, allegedly seen this tape and heard the audio from the consulate. but the interesting thing here, fred, is also the saudis are sticking very, very firmly to the line that there is nothing to see here, if you like, that jamal left that consulate safe and sound. so the minister interior, a very senior member as you might imagine of the royal family, he is quoted by the saudi press agency, and i'll just read it to you, becau

after the killing of a saudi journalist. we are taking appropriate actions which include revoking visas entering visa lookouts and other measures and the u.s. secretary of state identifies him to punish some saudis suspected of being involved in death. we have strong evidence this was a premeditated murder. all involved from top to bottom to face punishment. by law and has them seeking this is al jazeera live from doha sure from donald trump toward the saudi crown prince for the first time the u.s. president appeared to hint at saudi crown prince mohammed bin sandman's possible involvement in the murder of journalist we'll have more on that in a moment trump's tough rhetoric comes on a day when the u.s. is taking its first punitive actions in the case the u.s. is revoking visas of twenty one saudi nationals secretary of state might prompt a zero also warning of more to come or trump called the killing of quote the words cover up in the history of cover ups but he insists on staying away from economic sanctions is now putting

described as responsible by the saudis for the killing. because they work for him at the moment do you think that might even someone who today was heard estimates investment conference in as many people attending as we're supposed to do you think his position is safe now no i don't i think his position is crumbling. and i think to him is is coming from. are a number of people i just think his statements are not credible i think this very unfortunate photo opportunity with. family was a force one as is many of such. arrangements are in saudi arabia that they were actually they were not free to say no to such. a staged encounter. and i think a huge amount of pressure now is mounting on the crown prince and it did i mean is it now up to the king and it does the king now still have the power base to do something about nominate someone that there are alternatives to him the problem is that his favorite son has taken so much power in his own hands he is the commander of the three armies of saudi arabia he controls the economic plan he is the def

type of the saudi journalist was reflective of a savage premeditated murder and its three saudis went on a reconnaissance mission to a forest near istanbul presumably to look for somewhere to bury his body but are still. we have strong evidence that this was a premeditated murder in the light of the information we have everybody has questions here are the questions these fifteen people why did they come to on the day of the murder who ordered them to come to turkey we need an answer. it's been three weeks since jamal khashoggi was seen alive entering the saudi consulate in istanbul turkey sources have identified a fifteen man saudi team including high ranking intelligence agents and an autopsy expert who flew to turkey they were seen entering the consulate hours before his shores he arrived they left the same day turkey's president is demanding answers from the saudis the saudi foreign minister has said he was killed in a huge and grave mistake where's the body of. nobody knows where the body is it is alleged that the body was given to a local operator so who is the local cooperate we

now it is the first time the saudis have admitted to. a saudi national and u.s. resident is dead earlier officials claimed that he left the consulate alive turkey has accused a saudi hit squad of murdering the reporter but riyadh denies that the latest statement from the saudis says an intelligence official was fired over the incident and eight hundred saudi nationals have now been detained now jamal khashoggi wrote opinion pieces for the washington post he was known as an outspoken critic of the saudi monarchy and repeatedly accused the leadership of violating press freedom and human rights. turkey claims to have a recording proving that was murdered earlier president trump denied that his secretary of state might pump has been given that recording go takes a closer look at the case. a quick look at the calendar back here was when jim was last seen alive days passed and only that was the point when the us president had this response to the question is mr her dead it certainly looks that way to me it's very sad certainly but we're waiting for the results. about t

sun has left saudi arabia for the u.s. and saudi prosecutors consider evidence the murder was premeditated. well i'm barbara starr you're watching al-jazeera life from london also coming up at least eighteen people mainly children have died after a school bus was swept away by flash flooding in jordan more parcel bombs found in the u.s. from blames what he calls fake news for creating anger in society. a top u.n. official says a saudi journalist was the victim of an extrajudicial killing that's been widespread international outrage over his shoulder is this who vanished after entering the saudi consulate in istanbul more than three weeks ago our diplomatic editor james bays joins us live now from the u.n. in new york so victim of an extrajudicial killing tell us what exactly she said. well this is coming from agnes cullum and who is the expert on this very issue her title is un special rapporteur on ex are you dish will summary or arbitrary executions it's worth me explaining what international law in u.n. terminology an e

saudi toys this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program on iran come on president donald trump has for the first time acknowledged jamal khashoggi may have been killed inside the saudi consulate in istanbul he's warned of severe consequences if the saudi leadership is involved the shift in tone comes following his secretary of state visits to riyadh and earlier this week the president is now on the mounting pressure to take action members of the house of representatives have sent him a letter calling for sanctions against saudi arabia we'll bring in our guests in a moment but first this report from mike hanna in washington. it was a somber president trump who for the first time publicly acknowledged the possibility that jamal khashoggi is dead it certainly looks that way to me it's very sad certainly much he says he still waiting for the results of various investigations but if this is. evidence there will be serious consequences for saudi arabia have to be very severe i mean it's a bad beds. but we'll see

of reactions against saudi arabia threatening by sanctions but saudi arabia is also trying to form an alliance by itself the spider its diplomatic. initiatives with turkey we have seen oh i see countries showing solidarity with saudi arabia and saying that saudi arabia has a recent reforms actually which are mainly led by the crown prince mohammed bin selman were being targeted also we have heard mahmoud abbas from palestine and jordan and united arab emirates is saying that they are standing by saudi arabia mainly sell. every via is also turning out this case that they are the saudi arabia itself is the week to. case well despite an offer by crown prince mohammed bin salaam the saudis still haven't allowed turkish investigators into their compound but the consulate is still conducting business jamal a shell reports now from istanbul opposite the salad you consulates there is a company that deals with issuing visas that's the larger and smaller pilgrimage that muslims make to mecca in saudi arabia now this company as well as a few others that are scattered around the building say that

has gone back to saudi arabia and she said we have communicated with the saudi ambassador we expect information upon his return to the u.s. but dare and you can hardly expect that ambassador who is the younger brother of the crown prince to come back and say yes indeed we are responsible ok john hendren they in washington john thank you let's bring in jeff stacey's a former state department official who served in the obama administration he joins us live from washington d.c. jeff there are reports that they'll now be a joint to saudi team to investigate disappearance but with both countries having completely opposite political and diplomatic objectives in probing this case how tricky is that really going to be. that is going to be incredibly tricky if these accusations are true we really have an impartial investigator on our hands here and that is not likely to satisfy either folks here in washington or in brussels or in london and other capitals who are demanding explanations for this the best case scenario and this is saying a lot because the circumstantial evidence is mounting in this case t

the arab world stay silent a saudi journalist possibly in the saudi consulate but no official reaction from any arab government no condemnation from the arab media what's behind the silence this is inside story. hello and welcome to the program iran khan intelligence leaks to the media about missing saudi journalist jamal khashoggi a pe on almost a daily basis now reports are emerging about evidence proving he was killed inside the saudi consulate in istanbul and that his small watch could potentially help solve the mystery the turkish.

really close the sale because around the saudis because the saudis have the reality of the any bad job not just now. the techs have also been very skeptical and angry about the way they have the saudis had handled many other issues similar issues including their relations with the thought this is madness this is absolute none this and the word is coming to realize that. none has been. for the west and four percent of what america yes he is giving money but at the same time he's making everybody unhappy in the region so i think that they actually have played their cards so well so well so far but.

as normal is the problem to saudi crown prince wanted to show he could boost the saudi economy that it could go beyond oil real estate and big infrastructure construction that it could trigger invest or to kick start a knowledge economy to kick start an industry of robots especially to build heats touristic c.t. but all that seems enjoy your party because these needs fresh capital not just recycling the oil rent but having investors from abroad from the west from china and japan coming this is less promising her also given what you're saying where does that leave vision twenty thirty then well might happen in twenty fifty. more seriously i think that for now the momentum is not there so they are very unlikely to have the kind of diversification the wait is now they are very unlikely to have the kind of diversification they aspired to where they have to raise more debt then to fund some of these twenty thirty projects that could be a solution where will that leave the deficit budget deficit well that's the main concern because especially this year they have a significant budget defic

at the saudi consulate. there are actually liberals blaming this somehow on the chaotic foreign policy of president trump. howie: is the press accusing trump of the same business as usual approach to the suedes as other presidents? and the president praises a congressman who body slammed a reporter. i'm howard kurtz and this is "mediabuzz." the media worldwide extremely sceptical of the saudi explanation that khashoggi was killed in a chokehold at their consulate in turkey. the president said there has been deception analyze, but at the same time the president defended the kingdom as an incredible ally. here to discuss. emily jashinsky, sara fischer, and mo elleithee. emily, in this interview you will hear the foreign minister he sessionally -- essentially stick to the saudi story. this fistfight business, is this intensifying the media criticism of president trump for not acting more forcefully in this case? emily: we have seen an eagerness to use this as a way for president trump to tie this to some of the

the saudi era parents but. it's a dangerous game to play if he plays his cards as it were too rough for peace to insist there are too forceful things could rebalance so he's trying still a little bit carefully. the turks seem to know what happened in great detail who may have been responsible and we are not bringing them in front of a turkish court seems unlikely but they're pushing on with their inquiries and promise to soon sure what they know with their allies and the rest of the world alan fischer al jazeera istanbul and now to charles stratford in istanbul charles just a heads up we are waiting to hear from the u.s. president to the next few minutes so if i have to interrupt you my apologies in advance but can you bring us up to date with the investigation in istanbul right now. we heard earlier from the government that. has been clearance now given by the saudi side of the team to investigate have a sora look at this well in the garden of the consul general now it's been a week since the first team went i

interests as we become more interested in saudi regional behavior, saudi human rights, and saudi role in human extremism. in order to recalibrate the u.s.-saudi relationship and ensuring saudi arabia is held responsible for khashoggi's murder would be four things. first, our bilateral relationship-based expand the conversation. they cannot be about just security and economics. human rights needs to be a core part of the discussion we are having some otherwise, that conversation does not coincide with the full gamut of youth interest involved. second, we need to disentangle from the war in yemen. there was growing concern about funding and in supporting the war, now is the opportunity we can step back, either through restricting arms sales or other support, including aerial refueling and intelligence. third, we need to avoid the temptation to expand what has been an external security guarantee, we would protect saudi arabia from external threats to an external guarantee -- external security guarantee. the saudis want that for reasons of regime security should avoid that at all cost. fi

of reactions against saudi arabia threatening by sanctions but saudi arabia is also trying to form an alliance by itself despite its diplomatic. initiatives with turkey we have seen oh i see countries showing solidarity with saudi arabia and saying that saudi arabia has a recent reforms actually which are mainly led by the crown prince mohammed bin selman were being targeted also we have heard mahmoud abbas from palestine and jordan and united arab emirates is saying that they are standing by saudi arabia mainly sell. ery be a is also turning out this case that they are the saudi arabia itself is the wish to. case. saudis still have an investigation into their compound and the consulate is still conducting business as to reports from istanbul opposite the saudi consulates the company that deals with issuing visas that's the larger and smaller pilgrimage that muslims make to saudi arabia now this company as well as a few others that are scattered around the building say that they are still able to process those paperworks by going to the consulates building albeit they have to answer f

inside the saudi consulate. is that firstly any precedent any other cases that you can think of in recent history that of have been successfully prosecuted under international law or is this very much a unique case and the world is trying to figure out what steps to take next. well let me give kind of a typical lawyers answer by starting by making distinctions there isn't at the moment at least the prospect of prosecution as you said under international law there may be basis there certainly would be a basis for prosecution of the culprits if they can be identified under saudi law but they again because of the inviolability of the consular premises it would be next to impossible i think for the turkish government to conduct any kind of a successful trial of individuals first of all they would never be delivered to turkey by by the saudi government to begin with to be to stand trial and even if they could be there would be the enormous difficulty of obtaining evidence that would have been contained in inviolable.

for citizens of saudi arabia, more than ever before, saudi arabia, we know the country is a volatile country, arms exports would be a violation of common-law. we are calling for weapons embargo and it is to angela merkel's credit that she wants to stop exports. we need to act together and implement, anything else would be shameful. >> one minute. >> thank you. the brutal murder of the journalist jamal khashoggi should open a rise to the barbarous regime in saudi arabia but we have our doubt. what about turkey? turkey depending the freedom of speech, taken 3 weeks, the saudi regime, to admit that the journalist was murdered in the consulate. 18 people have been arrested. a number of those working close to the crown prince were dismissed because somebody else is going to foot the bill and pay the cost. was behind this? who ordered this murder? are they obeying? we need an investigation but it needs to be an independent investigation under the auspices of the un because this is a regime that is very oppressive towards its critics, financing national terrorism. we have to top -- stop sel

the saudi journalist. thank you back to istanbul that's where the investigation is going on charles stratford is live from that and so charles when two things stand now what's the latest lines coming out of the investigation. will certainly understand the investigation in the culture the last least nine hours last night the witnesses saying that. they saw what seemed to be ultraviolet light speaking used in this investigation in some of the rooms in the front of the building there was also pitches that appeared. on the which is using agency all of least two trucks two trucks being driven away carrying what was reported to be rubble even soil covered in blue tarp pulled and we understand that being taken away for analysis there were also dogs used in this investigation . in terms of numbers we understand there are at least nine is saudi members of the team a similar amount the turkish count as the church for the last visuals of the last to leave the consulate in the early hours of this morning we also under

the saudi regime. let's not forget that saudi arabia depends for its security on the u.s. therefore, he began to write critically of the time of mohammed bin salman and his reform. not all of them. he appreciated some of them. for example, giving women the right to drive, introducing cinema and theater in saudi arabia. havee was desperate to freedom of speech and saudi arabia as a journalist. for arted writing different audience, and english speaking audience, which probably worried the saudi khashoggi knows too much perhaps, and they did not want this to go further. himhere was the story of attending conferences in london and going also to is simple until we saw that video of him entering -- going to is simple and to we saw him in the video going into the consulate looking for a document, the story we g t from h his fiancee, who is waitg for him outside the consulate, that he needed a document to say he divorceced his wife in saudi arabia and therefore he willll e able to remarry in turkey. this is th

ambition how much of an obstacle is the case to the broader saudi agenda i would say that the saudis will be even more ambitious after this they will i think if he stays in power and i think it's likely that he's going to stay in power i think he'll have an ambition to show that he was not going to undermine but he will i think you'll be more kind of geopolitical geopolitical adventures and the conference that the your reference earlier on. does it i think was designed in part to facilitate. the future. of that country you mentioned that a number of companies had to pull out under the pressure from the public which kind of shifted the spotlight onto the very relatively small russian delegation there do you think it was wise on the part of the russians. rather than pull out. i think it was a lot of chinese came a lot of a lot of. americans to. i think. for a businessman to pull out of an event where a lot of money is at stake. at the moment is going to break between business. doing business and social stuff human rights all of the. values and that's ok that's business as business now

the saudi consulate. was attacked by several people inside the building of identified the exact place where the attackers struck sources say the forensics expert who was part of the alleged hit squad began dismembering body immediately after he was killed. turkish media are reporting investigators are questioning saudi consulate staff. told not to come to work the day. earlier the u.s. president publicly acknowledged for the first time that is likely to be dead donald trump says there will be severe consequences for saudi arabia if it's found to be responsible. leaders from europe and asia are talking trade in brussels but the disappearance is expected to loom large over the meeting. the european leaders and their asian counterparts who came here to brussels on friday know that they are all under pressure to come up with a credible response to the situation of jamal khashoggi whose disappearance and his alleged murder at that consulate in istanbul the difficulty that they face is that they need to base th

breaks with the saudis? >> well, i am afraid that the president has pulled out of the iran nuclear deal, which was being verified in a way that led to the very clear conclusion that there was no additional capacity for a nuclear weapon, that iran was seeking or was able to obtain. and instead, he wants to have a cut-off of oil from iran beginning on november 5th. if that's the case, then he needs saudi arabia in order to produce the oil. so that's going to create an incredible conundrum for the united states because they've got us over a barrel of oil over a policy that trump is engaging in in breaking the iran nuclear deal. and now the saudis will give us an offer that president trump can't refuse. >> so you are worried? >> i am very concerned. i'm also very concerned that the saudi arabians want us to sell them nuclear power plants that could be used for a nuclear weapons program. that negotiation is ongoing as well. whether it be oil or nuclear weapons, unless the president takes a very strong stand again

the leaders of turkey and saudi arabia have spoken over the disappearance of the saudi journalist jamal khashoggi who has not been seen since he entered the kingdom's consulate in istanbul nearly two weeks ago took his oath or as he's fear that he was killed inside saudi arabia's king solomon turkey's president. discussed the investigation during a phone call on sunday evening king solomon says that no one will undermine the strength of the relationship and this reaffirmed his commitment to a joint investigation al-jazeera has learned that the head of saudi intelligence has arrived in turkey and is to meet with turkish officials saudi arabia's thanks the u.s. for not jumping to conclusions but warns that it will retaliate against any threats u.s. president donald trump has warned of severe punishment of saudi arabia was found to be behind the disappearance of the u.k. france and germany had jointly calling for a credible investigation into console g.'s face and ford and j.p. morgan the latest companies to pull out of a major investor conference in the saudi kingdom let's go live now to

upfront saudi m.b.'s and you'll find that one pretty easily and you can get in touch with us as well as plenty of you have contact details coming up for you on screen a hash tag o.j. newsgroup michael just commented on facebook dot com slash al-jazeera the line stream saying this is a tough one you have a missing saudi in the saudi embassy on the grounds of an embassy which is considered the same mind in your home country we talked about this on yesterday's grid it is this gray area but a lot. of our guests will also say dispense with the myth it is still in turkey and the turks do have a right to investigate what happened there that number plus one seven four five or one triple one four nine that will cover you on whatsapp and on telegram as well plenty of comments coming in a lot of you just shocked and stunned the the whole. course of events it has been over the past eight days we are going to move to syria now where according to russia's foreign minister sergei lavrov the deal with turkey to establis

comes from one of saudi arabia's wealthiest families he's well connected with the saudi royal family whom he's often provoked with editorials an article is critical of the government. during the nine hundred ninety she had contact with osama bin ladin he interviewed him before and even after bin ladin became head of al qaida like bin ladin came from one of saudi arabia's most influential families as a student because she sympathized with the muslim brotherhood which was suppressed by the saudi royal house but he never saw himself in opposition to the monarchy even supported its efforts of reform. could his knowledge about corruption or old connections with extremists have made him a target for a hit squad. from the washington post what made the shock she so dangerous she was a very prominent saudi journalist but he also after his self-imposed exile he continued writing for the washington post and the washington post has published in the capital of the probably most important ally the saudis have when it comes to military support its economy and so on so he was embarrassing the saudi

we'll get response from longtime saudi dissident ali al-ahmed, who was a political prisoner in saudi arabia when he was 14 years old. he's now director of the institute for gulf affairs. then amnesty international says immigration officials forcibly separated as many as 6000 migrant families at the u.s.-mexico border, much more than previously estimated. now as thousands continue to flee violence and seek asylum, trump says he may resume the family separation policy. we'll get an update from aclu lalawyer lee gelernt. >> that is exactly what the administration's plan was, stop people from coming over here because the e word will get out that you will lose your children. even if f you have a legitimate asylum claim, they want you to give it up so you can see your child again. it is as b bad as anything i hae ever seen. amy: and we go to el salvador, where thousands celebrate the canonization of archbishop oscar romero, a champion for the poor and oppressed who was murdered by a u.s.-backed right-wing death squad in 1980. >> it is wonderful that together with pop paul and other saints,

so, i think this is a major crisis for saudi arabia. i think it would be the least that united states and britain and other countries could do if it was certain, proven that mr khashoggi was murdered in the consulate. we just heard the president say there would be severe punishment if it was confirmed. do you really get the sense that he wants to act given that he also keeps restating how important trade and investment is? no, he doesn't want to act. of course, we've seen this not just with saudi arabia, but with other countries that president trump has been very positive towards that have abysmal human rights records and they regard for democracy or human rights or rule of law. the government in egypt is one example, north korea is another one. it has not want to act, but as you also know, there is pressure being applied by congress senators and congress people by democrats and republicans as well as a wide chorus of public opinion here in the media and policy individuals decrying what has happened and calling for action. you mention t

saudi arabia saudi arabia relationship for some time to come. in just twenty four hours he was president donald trump went from no one knows what happened to jamal khashoggi to we need to find out we demanding everything we want to see what's going on here it's a bad situation it's a very serious situation for. this way we do see what is going on will now be the subject of an official investigation after twenty two senators sent this letter to the white house invoking the magnitsky act it gives the administration four months to determine if the show he's human rights were violated and if so by law they will have to place sanctions potentially on people high up in the saudi government the outcry is bipartisan and growing and that this man was murdered in saudi consulate in istanbul that would cross every line of the malady in the international community. if it did happen it would be held if saudi arabia took a us resident. into a consulate and killed him it's time for the united states to rethink our military political and economic relationship w

murder of the saudi journalist. there is new word about what might have happened to the body. and to our south, thousands of central americans are converging tonight on the border between guatemala and mexico. as their migrant caravan face as major hurdle in what is supposed to be a journey to freedom and prosperity in the u.s. we have fox team coverage, kris jenkins, a long day along the u.s.-mexico border. iel see for yourself what immigration enforcement looks like. benjamin hall in istanbul with the latest on the khashoggi investigation. chief white house correspondent john roberts starts it, looking at politics and policy behind both stories. >> good evening. asked what the united states might do in response to the disappearance of jamal khashoggi, president trump said it's too early to tell. but he did say we should know a lot more about what happened in the next 2 to 3 days. >> president trump: we'll find out who knew what, when, and where. >> president trump repeated there could be serious consequences for s

and saudi arabia over the alleged killing of a saudi journalist at the saudi consulate in turkey. trump said the two events had no connection in terms of the timing of brunson's release. trump said that the administration is looking for more information about the disappearance of jamal khashoggi, that journalist, before he decides what kind of punishment to levy against saudi arabia. but the moment was lightened, of course, by pastor andrew brunson kneeling beside the president, placing a hand on his shoulder, and saying a prayer, thanking the president for helping secure his release from turkey. again, that is something we will likely see the president highlight as he heads into the midterm elections. sarah westwood, cnn, the white house. >>> a race against the clock. rescue teams search for possible survivors of hurricane michael. we'll be in one of florida's hardest hit areas just ahead. buw customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps.com print discounted postage for any letter any package any time right from your computer all the amazing services of the post off

that saudi arabia. has possibly kill jamal because show is not something in the shocking to those who follow the wholesale slaughter what mohamed bin salman or m.b.a.'s for short people refer to him may have been startled by is the reaction of certain members of the united states congress. the twenty two senators are on alert or. calling for the global mcness the act to be implemented because of this disappearance saudi arabia has killed lots of people over the years there are many bodies that the hassle so far is directly responsible for their own missing princes that the house of saud is directly responsible for so anyone who studies saudi arabian followers what they do over the years is not shocked by the flag. marcus garvey was probably dismembered and brought back to saudi arabia so that's not sucking what is shocking is instead their reaction the u.s. conference. ok well and also joe if i can go back to you i mean donald trump is really trying to play both sides here i mean he's a he sent pompei o

prosecution is in saudi arabia obviously as we've been reporting the saudi prosecutor chief prosecutor is jew sorry we understand now how. arrived in istanbul we understand that obviously he'll be meeting his counterpart is to fish counterparts tomorrow we're also getting information that he may actually be visiting the consulate here tomorrow and the consul general's home but yeah this is seems to be quite a significant development in terms of now having a name. so the turkish police also say the name of a man who was part of that group of men who were present or. went up to that area the belgrade forest the day before the show she was killed all right interesting development for the time being offered thank you. the billionaire owner of leicester city football club is fear to have died in a helicopter crash fans have left tributes to a vigil i survived on a problem after his helicopter came down in the club's car park following a game on saturday the club hasn't yet confirmed that he was on board which i achieved international fame on leicester city unexpectedly claimed the english p

could inflict on saudi if they were found guilty of shows he's met a the saudis have pushed back as we suggested they might what sort of leverage do they really have against the u.s. and other countries if they do find themselves facing punitive sanctions well it's mostly bluster because any kind of retaliatory action would really be damaging to saudi arabia in different ways i mean clearly the they are major arms purchasers are the second largest arms purchasers in the world after india and they buy arms from many countries particularly the united states but also european countries so they could suspend future or arms purchases they also as they did with the spat with canada several weeks ago they could put a freeze on all future economic dealings and so on and there are other measures to it in the canada case they withdrew so the students studying in canada because there are there were thousands of them and there are tens of thousands of them here in the united states they could you many of those things and i don't think they will i think it's mostly bluster and as i said it would be

to today say that despite the souring of relations between saudis suing the saudis in the in recent years for example over the support of the muslim brotherhood beginning in egypt the support of mohammed morsi the ousted egyptian president two thousand and thirteen with respect to worsening relations over different policies in syria between turkey and saudi arabia and of course turkey support for cuts are in the in the saudi pledge c.j. saying despite these worsening relations this incident has happened as an indication all of a relationship with saudi arabia that is still strong and that shouldn't be as strong as that we also spoke to a member of the ruling a k polity who said that he didn't believe that this would lead necessarily to a complete split between riyadh and said that the capon he didn't want to see a massive split but he did say that it was very much consistent with what he described as turkey's place in the context of its international relations and its allies on the international stage i. you know turkey qatar no iran versus what we've seen in recent months of the si

turkey has links saudis crown prince to the med. and they say men from his security detail are part of the fifteen member hit squad and reports from istanbul. saudi crown prince mohammed bin sound man offering condolences to the son salah who is believed to be under a travel ban and may not be acting on his own free will the facial expressions are telling the younger she reached out his hand to a man many believe was behind the murder of his father king some man who has been somewhat out of the public eye for a while is now trying to contain an international crisis that could have repercussions on the kingdom and the royal family he chaired a cabinet meeting and reiterated that those responsible for the death of the saudi journalist will be held to account ho the meeting was held just hours after president reza kind of a decline of turkey appealed to the king to act and to do what is correct. we will follow this incident until the end whatever is required by our laws and by international laws we will carry it out in fact i'd like to

arabia the saudi authorities do have a policy of trying to kidnap or take distance back to saudi arabia right but from what we've known so far this looks very different right than that sort of standard i don't know the saudi arabia have a policy or so that are in the members of the old family that has remained in the west and then reappeared in this truly has been some some cases but in general globally since nine eleven it has become more tolerated really rendition kidnapping it's all in the name of countering terrorism and and the policies that have unfolded but this and i've been a little the saudi royal family who've ended up back in saudi arabia were not accused of terrorism they were critical of some of the policies of their own government you're right this is a bit different i mean not that the rendition policy was any better it's true but then the question is why did they not organize for his rendition from the beginning why would you take him into a consulate in the have you never talked to him i think there's something there that we don't quite know as to what is the real valu

arms sales to saudi arabia. on monday, treasury secretary steven mnuchin met with saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman in riyadh. this comes as cia director gina haspel is now in turkey as part of the u.s. government's investigation into khashoggi's dedeh. wewe turn now to the jouournalit and author rula jejebreal in ro. she conducted one of the last known interviews with jamal khashoggi. her new cover story for newsweek is headlined "jamal khashoggi secret interview: the saudi journalist's views of islam, america and the 'reformist' prince implicated in his murder." rula jebreal, welcome back to democracy now! why don't you begin by first describing your response to what is known at this point about what happened to "the washington post" columnist john walsh khashoggi -- jamal khashoggi, and in the circumstances under which you talk to him and what he said to you. happened to jamal is a barbaric coming evil act of this orchestrated by regime that wanted to silence him. they saw him as a traitor. they saw him

mike pompeo on the ground in riyadh for what appears to be convivial talks with the saudi king, the saudi foreign minister and the crown prince. pompeo, quote, reiterated the president's concern for khashoggi's fate and welcomed support for a thorough, transparent, and timely investigation. >> behind the scene, sources tell cnn the saudis soon will completely disown their claim that khashoggi left the consulate alive and well soon after he arrived on october 2nd. the new story is expected to be the saudi national and "washington post" columnist was in fact killed but in a botched interrogation. it was not deliberate, they say. for their part, turkish investigators are spending a second day searching saudi properties for evidence which turkey's president says may include, quote, toxic materials. cnn has a team coverage here. let's start with sam kylie in the saudi capital of riyadh. what do we know about those pompeo meetings this morning? they weren't exactly lengthy, were they? >> no, they were pretty brief. not brisk, i think, but brief. the first meeting was with king salman this morni

and let me just say you made a great point we've been aware of what saudi arabia is and what saudi arabia has done forever we were aware of it during the campaign when it was brought up by some people that allegedly hillary clinton or the clinton foundation took money from saudi arabia which you know being gay or homosexual in saudi arabia is against the law you could be stoned to death in certain instances rape victims are often put on trial just as much as their perpetrator the person who allegedly raped them i mean there's all kinds of crazy things that go on horrific things that go on in saudi arabia and have for a long long time i think this is a story because it involves a journalist and because the media is looking to bury donald trump with his reaction whether it's good enough not good enough harsh enough not harsh enough so i think that's why they're concentrating on it but you know they have been to published reports in recent days one from a right leaning german newspaper that says that. you know he was a journalist kind yeah but for years and years and years he's been a high l

-saudi relations. so i think,as we move forward, and as you said in the introdu this move or rger comes against a background of an accumulation oc decisions,ents engineered and led by the crown prince which raed a lot of concern about his fitness pore the job as a crown prince and future a a king. >> reporter: gregory gause, if there is concern a the fitness of crown prince bianna n lman, is that a threat, particularly pressuring iran and perhaps a peace deal with the lestinians and israelis? >> those are the things on the agenda right now. but the united states has had a very strong relationship with saudi arabia through a number of american and sau leaders. i doubt if there were any changes at the center of saudi decision-makin even right now that there would be a serious redefinition of the saudi-american relationship. the more dangerous situation ise if tis no change in saudi arabia that ps from congress, from public opinion and other internional precious could force the united states to take its d

forcesf saudi arabia. most important, including one of the kingdom's top for the experts, man who prides himself as being one of the top autopsy experts in saudi arabia. they flew in that morning. flightsw in on several and they all flew out on private jets that are linked or owned by companies linked also directly to mohammed bin salman and the saudi royal court. since then, the evidence that the turkish authorities have has been shared with the u.s. intelligence community. are trying to walk a tightrope. they were tried to get some sort of support from their allies in nato as well as the europeans. interestingly enough,, it's made by u.s. intelligence community, several american outlets where they describe the evidence for there were shown by the turks as truly shocking. for them to describe it, considering they are the intelligence community that were behind things like abu ghraib prison as well as guantanamo and other hugely distasteful incidents, it goes along way to show just how gruesome the details

the saudis are known now when i say the saudis i mean the same man and his team they are not on now to be the culprits they are responsible for this crime and they wanted in liars in with trump on peel to create a story which absorbs mohammad mr nunn now he wanted to release that two days ago when he planned to admit responsibility in order to up a call themselves and put it in somebody else now the problem is information kept coming from the turks and nowhere which would falsify his report so he was stuck in needed he needs now to wait for the turks to finish the northern for his falsified for his created reports to fit with the turks information about his bad luck. the information coming from the turks are encircling his neck and are approving more and more is a possibility and he is not going to do it without by waiting or by releasing a report now so that is why he is his is getting time and losing the report but the same time he is getting in trouble because he's dealing the report. robbie personified as you've been hearing all of this it's pretty clear as well that we haven't hea

new twist in the saudi crisis. images that undermine the royal family's denial and a big oval office meeting between the president and his secretary of state. >>> plus, rod rosenstein praises the special counsel investigation -- the one his boss calls a witch-hunt and a con job. and a big campaign swing for the president, immigration is on his mind as he heads west but in most close races, health care is a bigger flash point. >>

we are all anti-saudi now. as someone who has been anti-saudi for a long time it's nice to have company. where were all the chest-beaters last spring when the united states bombed syria in part at the direction of saudi arabia? and everybody on the left, including your former boss chuck schumer said it's good idea to do the bidding of saudi arabia? but now anyone who says anything about saudi arabia is immoral. how did that change exactly? >> i have always been concerned with saudi arabia. i'm a new yorker who worked in the united states senate after 9/11. i don't trust them. they gave aid and comfort to people who bombed us. i don't understand how we look at what they did to khashoggi any differently than what al-qaeda did to daniel pearl. it's an act of terror and it should be dealt with that way. as for trump's role, he has been -- >> tucker: hold on. wait, wait, wait. stop. before you get to trump and whatever.rut. sucking up to dictators and whatever. sincere question. has to be dealt with how? you're push

have floated the idea to the saudis hey help us with this side. to help us develop our own region of germany and that was rejected by the saudis and that's where you've got this this delay this impasse of the moment because both the saudis and the turkish administration administration are looking now to see what some next move than the going to do anything until they hear the next word from trump because trump will determine that whether we take this this debacle up to the next level and we talk about international investigations on the u.n. level or it can be diffused and we can try and do our best to save the best of the worst situation and that may well mean have been some remains crown prince in a country which i would guess i would estimate as a geopolitical expert is drifting more and more away from merica more into the arms of russia martin jay investigative journalist thank you so much for joining us on the program and breaking down this story where if. they were going to continue our conversation with correspondent you have to try and go