joe manchin's intervention. it reads in part, quote, democrats may be angry, but as the days go by, they may recognize mr. manchin is doing them a favor. with biden advocating for the left, the virginian is providing a reality check on progressive excess. passing the reconciliation bill could cost democrats congress next year. what do you think? >> well, look, i think that democrats are trying to pass a bill that the voters did not deliver them a mandate to pass. and you look at the majorities that voters gave the democratic party, they have a five-seat majority in the house which is why speaker pelosi who is really a masterful legislative technician is having a devil of a time bringing her caucus together. the centrists and the liberals can brick everything to a halt. that's how slim her majority is. and in the u.s. senate, democrats don't really have a majority. they have the tie breaker. that gives them control of the floor, but as we've seen just one senator defects, and they can't do what they want. and whe

he was explicit in talking about manchin. he was voting him saying, yes, i get coal is going away but i don't want to accelerate before the people in west virginia are ready for the change. that was a bit of candor about where things are headed and how joe manchin looks at that situation. >> as a reporter who is used to trying to get blood from a stone. it's remarkable when he said i will just tell you everything that's going on behind the scenes. on the filibuster, where he really did make some news last night, he said he would argue to change the filibuster on voting rights and other things. he made news there, too. a, telling us where he is, and b, why he is not pushing harder right now because he doesn't want to get in the way of other domestic agenda items. >> it was refreshing and slightly disappointing, if you can be at both plates at this t time. we have to see something happen. individuals who voted for joe biden simply for the justice issues. whether or not it's criminal justice reform, voting rights, climate change

joe manchin disagrees. now, this is important not just because of the personalities at issue here because in the senate, all 50 democrats need to agree in order for this bill to move forward. if one senator -- joe manchin or kyrsten sinema -- two of the leading moderates here -- were to defect, that will be enough to scuttle the entire biden agenda. and hanging in the balance, too, is that separate infrastructure bill that has already passed the senate. sanders has warned -- urged house democrats not to support that bill until that larger package is agreed to by manchin and sinema. so, so much here is riding on the line in the weeks ahead. bernie sanders leaving the meeting, told me i hope we can see some real action in the next week. another top democrat, dick durbin, told me there is high anxiety among democrats right now to get a deal. but manchin, himself, was pessimistic that they can reach a deal by the end of this month. the new deadline for democratic leaders, though, erin, still uncertain how they

i like how referred to manchin and sinema as owner donors. i think -- it's not so much about democrat in fighting as the way everybody wants to see. they need to understand that progressives are holding the line because this money is for the people and not for their investments. that's just the point i wanted to make. thank you. host: to marshall in brooksville, florida. on the republican line. caller: yes. good morning, thank you for taking my call. i have been watching that hearing or whatever they want to call it about the committee on the generals and everybody. i would like to know why the generals are, the secretary of security i think it is, can get -- no problems. but that lieutenant colonel which told the truth about everything, he's in the brigg. it's not right what is actually happening. i was in the marine corps. there is a chain of command. and both them generals have broke the chain of command when they went over the president's head and did not give them an answer. this lieutenant colonel, the family is trying very hard to get

and also senator manchin held another bun in one meeting with senator manchin. later a chip per thought they were leaving and went to get sued o'fill. >> we're talking. >> you're going to havely a revolution by the end of the week? >> do you care to make. you sort of sefrd something there as they goett got out of their cars. . ly the quote, never give up, bernie. what does that mean? cnn reported that in addition to senator man thin meeting with senator jay a paul. senator faen call with president biden today? does this mean that things are changing? what does it mean that the key progressives in this despite we're meeting runly tlou the indicate progress? i have just the porn to ask. joining usually. congressass cloou. ly again, i'm watching from the cheap seats as is everybody in this country who is a stakeholder in this fight, who you knows how transformative this could be who justlily do the drama. what can you tell us about that meeting with senator manchin and how we should understand it in terms of whether this thing is going to get done? >> i have said f

i don't know, it might come tonight, manchin has left the capitol. maybe a lot of other key figures are going to be going to the house vote to negotiate with them. i'm still a little nervous that we haven't heard anything from -- also, keep in mind, when manchin says 1.5's mind bottom line, or my top line. however you want to frame. it awhile back he said we should have four trillion dollars in infrastructure spending. then he said, i'm comfortable with two trillion. when he says these things, it shouldn't be taken to seriously, and we know there are a lot of ways to reach an agreement, including shortening the number of years in which you have these programs in place, the bottom line is not a terribly significant figure. i'm still nervous that the tax numbers, and the substance of the tax figures, are going to be ones were mansion in cinema will take different points of view. that's what concerns me more about reaching another stalemate here. >> it's a good point. it's the old saying, which is true, nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to

senator manchin saying that is not on the table. here's what he said earlier today. >> are you okay with the carbon tax? >> no, we're not talking -- that's -- we haven't talked about that. no, we don't -- we're not -- carbon tax isn't on the board at all right now, okay? >> reporter: and the carbon tax was something that a lot of progressives up here in the senate were hoping might be some bridge to get manchin on board. obviously, manchin closing it down as you just saw there. but this is part of a broader effort from democrats. you have senator manchin, who is complicated on the issue of climate change, because of where he's from. he's from a coal-producing state in west virginia. he is seeing this and viewing this through the eyes of what is going to help or not help his state, and he just says he can't get there on the issue of climate change. meanwhile, you have progressives saying they aren't going to support a bill that doesn't deal substantially with the issue of climate change, so how they bridge that gap is just one of a p

you know, among those who rise to joe manchin's defense, it is often pointed out that senator manchin represents a very red state one that voted for donald trump over joe biden by nearly 40 points. joe manchin is in a unique political position. his defenders say. a lot of issues that may well be true. but you know what? it doesn't apply here. because i mean this is something you can check. president biden's build back better bill, the big $3.5 trillion thing they're calling this reconciliation package, the budget, it is extremely popular in joe manchin's home state. senator manchin's home state paper just reported on yet another poll bearing that out. 48% of registered voters in west virginia say they support president biden's plan, according to this latest poll, but that's only before you really explain it to them. quote, after poll voters were given the option of raising taxes on the richest americans and corporations while closing the loop holes that have caused significant wealth disparities which, in fact, is how the biden budget is paid for, when people are informed that that is

manchin is doing them a favor. with president biden abdicating to the left, the west virginian is providing a reality check on progressive excess. bernie didn't win the election. biden did. and a large part of his appeal was that he was the most moderate voice on the democratic stage. the power held by manchin and sinema reminds me of something called the fulcrum project. board member neil simon himself a former senate candidate has often said the power in the senate could be wielded by a handful of independent thinkers. imagine, for example, if manchin and sinema were to join forces with, say, senator lisa murkowski and another republican or two. if such a group were to deny both parties a majority and commit to sticking together, they could dictate what gets to the floor, who is the majority leader, and fashion moderate solutions to big problems. and that, i say, would be a great day for the country. you know, so much of the conversation this week on the standoff has been about joe manchin, which makes me all the

maybe i'm not giving manchin and sinema enough credit. but 1.5 trillion on top of all of the trillions we've already spent -- okay, if you add the 1.2 to it, that's 2.7, then you at the 600 billion, you know, now we are over 3 trillion. 2019 we only took -- we only spent 4.4. this is on top of all the covid money. i don't think it ever comes a time when you get to pay that money back. you were the last person as speaker to balance a budget, and you did it by managing the growth of government. remember medicare, 70% -- 7% increase every year for seven years and they were screaming it was a cut even though you are increasing at 7% a year, just lowering the rate of increase? >> look -- let me say, first of all -- >> that brings back memories, i know. >> yeah. but i'm just saying if we had a serious republican congress and a serious republican partisans, we'd be back to a balanced budget in 5-7 years because there's so much waste, so much incompetence in the current bureaucracies, you could get rid of huge chunks and it would actually work be

the range defined by joe manchin as his limit. now, this statement does seem to represent a shift in senator sinema's position, which had been reported as being opposed to any tax increases in the biden bill. and earlier tonight, president biden described senator sinema's position this way. >> she's smart as the devil, number one. number two, she's very supportive of the environmental agenda in my legislation, very supportive. she's supportive of almost all the things i mentioned relating to everything from family care to all those issues. where she's not supportive is she says she will not raise a single penny in taxes on the corporate side and/or on wealthy people, period, and so that's where it sort of breaks down. >> senator sinema's public silence about what she is trying to achieve in the legislation has led to what the "new york times" today called a, quote, crescendo of anger and pressure that ms. sinema is facing from erstwhile allies who say they are perplexed by her recent tactics. we'll be joined by one of those who ad

manchin was said to be angry. maybe he was. i have to tell you as a political strategist, nothing would help manchin more than for bernie to be attacking him in whe west virginia. democrats lost every county in west virginia in the presidential election. he you said i worked for president clinton. we had gun control, gay rights, the brady bill. tough things. this is an easy vote. my fellow moderates need to understand, you can sell this. the biden build back better agenda is popular. 67% want universal pre-k. 88% want lowering the cost of prescription drugs. 81% want vision and dental care for seniors. this is popular. why are we having a hard time agreeing to something that is so overwhelmingly popular? >> well, in west virginia, of course, paul, there are issues with some of the energy and climate provisions in the bill, right? what does manchin need to budge on there? what can he really sell to west vir virginians? >> nobody knows that better than joe manchin. not another democrat can win that state, in my opinion. i hate se

and manchin and sinema seem open to the bill, with manchin saying he agreed on the price tag, and sinema saying she looks forward to getting it done in meeting today with caucus chair pramila jayapal. earlier today, president biden stressed how important this legislation is, telling the dramatic caucus this morning that, quote, i don't think it's hyperbole to say that the house and senate majorities and my presidency will be determined by what happens in the next week. and he made it clear to the country what a bfd this plan is. >> after months of tough and thoughtful negotiations, i think we have an historic -- i know we have an historic economic framework. it's a framework that will create millions of jobs, grow the economy, invest in our nation and our people. i ran for president saying it was time to reduce the burden on the middle class, to rebuild the backbone of this nation, working people and the middle class. i wouldn't have been any clearer from the moment i announced my candidacy. that's why i wrote these bills in the first place and took them to the people. i campaigned on th

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everybody talk about joe manchin being the king maker. it's really krysten sinema from what i understand. based on my sources that are -- these wall street guys plugged in because they're trying to gauge what's going on here, she wants nothing to do with the 3.5 trillion thing. she said that to people. it's the 1.5 trillion that she probably would dollars to doughnuts is okay with. >> neil: she hasn't said. joe manchin has. it's always in the details. we don't know her priorities. right now she's in arizona. we don't know. >> she's channelling john mccain. john mccain from what i understand, the devils will be in the details, see what happens, john mccain, if you knew john mccain, he would vote against both of these things. both of them off the bat. they don't -- they don't do what needs to be done going forward. the country is opening up, the vaccines are working. delta is going down. that's the best in this package. we're throwing money in expanding the welfare state and money we don't have, raising taxes at a time we shouldn't. we have

we've seen what joe manchin has done. he has pushed back against many of these initiatives, including that clean electricity performance initiative that he says cannot happen. do you have a line in the sand the way you just heard bernie sanders talk about? is there something in climate change that you say this has to be in the bill? >> i'm not one of the members who's going to say but for this one thing, i will vote against the bill. i have worked diligently, tirelessly with my colleagues, because virtually our entire caucus agrees that investing in combatting climate through new tax incentives for scaling up clean energy production, new tax incentives for electric vehicles, a bold expansion of americorps through the civilian climate corps. these have unanimous support in our caucus. it's important to recognize that the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which has already cleared the senate, also has significant investments in climate resiliency and in stabilizing our electric grid so we can put more clean power into our gri

that's not going to move manchin that much. unfortunately -- again, unfortunately for the democrats, they have to cater to this one senator's votes. >> if indeed it falls out, what are the other options? you mention the other thing. are they working on other things with the white house approval? >> yeah. as you note, "the new york times" report this morning and is correct that that will leave joe biden open to the idea that he has raised energy prices. you're certain that republicans are going to say that. and it's a little bit -- to me it seem as little bit late in the game to consider the carbon tax in this massive package that hasn't really been on the table in the past. i know the white house is looking for alternatives. i'm not entirely sure what they would be. >> previously ahead on capitol hill, obviously they're still talking about reconciliation package. there are other things looming. they have a little time there, but there's a sense of urgency. how will things play out? i know you'll be all over it. >> it does seem

that is the fine line that joe manchin is walking. he's the head of the democratic party in a state that is red and getting redder. a lot of people see this as politics as usual. we spoke to some elected officials who know joe manchin to get their thoughts. take a listen. >> i know how this works. it is like watching sausage. eventually they'll have a bill and we'll see what's in it. but we here in west virginia have to trust our representatives. i trust joe manchin. >> i think he's being the same person he's always been. he's always been a mainstream conservative democrat. that's what he was when he was in the house, that's what he was in the senate. he was basically that way as governor. he was tight with the money. >> your introduction laid out really well where west virginia is. it's a state that desperately needs the infrastructure, joe manchin supports that. but the human infrastructure bill, that's what joe manchin is pressing back on. everybody we spoke to yesterday said we don't really know what's in the bill, it's changing h

joe manchin doesn't want that. kirsten sinema doesn't want medicaid to be able to negotiate prescription drug prices. free community college is now out. are the compromises going to wind up being so much and so many that we wind up doing not nearly enough about climate, not nearly enough for young people then democrats have something that is good as you are saying it is, they really can't sell it because the base says this is not enough. >> well we have to see what we get to, obviously. the clean energy performance program, we thought that was the best way to cut carbon emission, but i will say, joy, that there is a way for us to cut carbon emissions without doing the clean electricity performance program. we are looking right now at different options and we're modeling what is the emissions reduction that you would get from those options. i think there are some things, if we can get them in, that will really make a difference. and so i do feel like that is still possible. community college, look, i'm desolate abou

t manchin and sinema. sources tell nbc one of the things that's happening is the negotiating is actually making the hard calls. that's another sign they're closer to the end because you can throw in all the adjectives you want about essentially done, but then you have to check are things moving forward according to the parties that have the vote and veto. that brings us to this headline. paid family leave now getting dropped out of the package according to multiple accounts, democratic sources, and the reasoning is the resistance from manchin. meanwhile, they're working on other details regarding childcare tax credits, climate change, medicare, and trying to get to the funding of this. all of which has become a big story this week. one way to do that is a minimum corporate tax rate. senator sinema said she's okay with that. then there's talk about the billionaire tax. manchin balking at that idea and saying this today. >> everybody in this country that has been blessed and prospered should pay a patriotic

joe manchin is the son of west virginia. someone told me everyone has his cell phone in western europe. i asked 134 people. random people. three of them did have joe manchin cell phone. 60 of them said i know somebody who has his cell phone. his cell phone went off today during his news conference. his influence comes from his state. >> the other thing that we need to say about these two individuals is what they face in terms of the election. they are both up in 2024. what are the political calculations at this moment? >> kyrsten sinema is from a purple state where there are very fractured divides politically. there is a big question for both of these lawmakers. does donald trump run for president in 2024? that will affect their fate dramatically. kyrsten sinema, it is a little bit different where we saw joe biden win. for joe manchin, he has survived in one of the most trump states in the country. will make things for harder -- things harder for him if trump runs. they both want to say representatives and serving their stat

so the question then becomes what are you actually willing to cut, senator manchin? tell us. the expanded child tax credits that have been proven to help kids get out of poverty, or maybe you want to cut the investment in climate change. and before slashing that line item you might want to remember this the nowaa found extreme weather has cost u.s. taxpayers in this country just $100 billion last year alone. in a letter outlining his position this week senator manchin wrote, quote, overall the amount we spend now must be balanced with what we need and can afford, not designed to re-engineer the social economic fabric of this nation or vengefully tax for the sake of wishful spending. let's make a couple of points here crystal clear. one, we're talking $350 billion a year. that's significantly less than the $750 billion that go into the military budget. manchin has repeatedly voted in favor of that military spending. two, it's not wishful spending. these are the platforms that president biden and the democrats were elected on. and three, manchin himself said that the 2017 tax c

before i do i mentioned chuck schumer, joe manchin, joe biden all meeting in delaware. sounds like the start of a bad joke. someone who is missing from the meeting was kyrsten sinema. noticeably missing in delaware today. it does seem like she answers to no one your colleague from arizona. i mean, here she is dodging reporters on the hill as ever. she doesn't speak to journalists. she doesn't speak to her constituents. i believe she has not held a town hall since 2018. she doesn't speak to her own colleagues. correct me if i'm wrong. is it clear to you or any of your fellow democratic senators where she stands on this bill? would you treat the people of minnesota the way she treats the people of arizona? >> mehdi, i thought you were going to say i was missing from the meeting in delaware. you know, there were two senators there. >> fair point. you haven't been the block thankfully that she has. that's the caveat. >> that's right. i think that the point i'm making here is not everybody is there in delaware but all of us are weighing in. i have to say i had a productive c

but at least manchin is saying what he would vote for. sinema prefers to share as little as possible publicly and declines to answer reporters' questions. explains her campaign posters: (mumbling) a vote for cinema is a vote for -- ( mumbling ) i dunno. if you think i'm exaggerating when i say she doesn't answer questions, listen to this. >> what do you say that progressives - progressives that are frustrated that they don't know where you are? >> i'm in the senate. >> there are progressives within the senate that are frustrated. they don't know where you are either. >> i'm like, clearly right in front of the elevator. >> stephen: america is in the grip of multiple crises, and she's making dad jokes. i'd hate to have her as a doctor. (as doctor) we haven't heard from radiology yet but i'm sure they'll read your scan as soon as they can, sir. you have cancer. ( piano riff ) see, i wouldn't want her as my doctor. that's why. your reaction is why i wouldn't want her. i'm with you. that's a terrible idea. ( applause ) even if they get manchin

he spent a lot of time with senator manchin. from the white house's perspective, in what ways has manchin compromised? jen: we'll let senator manchin speak for himself. what i would note here, it's not the president giving up or taking anything. the president is trying to unify a path forward between a range of members in congress. senators and house members. and what they are for or against or what they can support or what they're against. that's part of the role he's playing in this negotiating process. so we'll point you to senator manchin on what he feels he's given up or what he's for. he can speak for himself. reporter: secondly, the president is going to glass cow and hoping -- glasgow and hoping -- [indiscernible] comments are coming from. absent a complete deal on any framework, is there any effort from the white house to achieve just the climate portion so he can go to glasgow with a framework within a framework? jen: i would just go back to what jake sullivan said yesterday which is that global leaders are quite sophi

who phreupbgs, manchin or progressives? abdul, go. >> manchin. >> john? . >> you'll get a compromise. >> all right, guys. thank you so much. appreciate the conversation. >>> up next, new body cam video from gabby petito's traffic stop in utah. >> i was cut right here. i can feel it. >> more of the shocking details. what gabby petito told police officers about the fight with brian laundrie and why we are only learning about it now. . >> supreme court justices, defensive, angry, all out in public. new developments on what this all means for key, imminent decisions. >>> ahead, one of the most recognizable men in the world walked into a dive bar and he got no satisfaction. how the people around him reacted. what happens when we welcome change? we can make emergency medicine possible at 40,000 feet. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect. rethinking how we communicate to be more inclusive than ever. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions, vmware helps companies navigate

that performance plan is not something that senator manchin could live with. we're looking at different ways to still bring down carbon emissions using that same money. so, i believe that we will have, you know, half a trillion dollar investment into climate that will be really significant as long as it goes to the right thing. we're working on it. >> let me just confirm one other piece of reporting that we just talked about before you joined us the billionaire tax that was proposed, being discussed. it seems and there is reporting that is out and that is dead. is that right? >> i'm not sure that is the case. you know, i think reporting is sometimes not completely accurate and maybe just based on what somebody says in a particular moment, but as you know these discussions kind of go on. so, i do believe at the end of the day whatever the case is, we will have enough revenue to pay that will be about fixing this rigged system and making it just a little bit more fair for regular folks, if we get the wealthiest individuals and the wealthiest corporations to pay

and of course, we know, manchin's top line is $1.75. what exactly is going to be in this thing that you know for sure stay and is not going to get cut? >> let me just say this. we are focused on the president's build back better agenda. and i have to tell you that the progressives under the leadership of chairwoman jayapal have really adhered to that, and we see that manifested in the negotiations right now. i don't think it's helpful to try to negotiate or delineate what's in the bill on national television right now, because we're in the midst of really closing in on a deal that everyone can agree. but i believe that the vast majority of what the american people have asked for, deserved, and that president has put forth in his agenda is what we're going to receive. albeit scaled down. but i can tell you, yasmin, at the end of the day, we're putting a significant down payment on the priorities that will move this nation forward, facing all of the crises we face and we're going to pay for some of it now, but this is notover by any stret

manchin throws down the gauntlet with progressives. joe manchin is in the driver's seat, he writes, in letting liberal democrats in the house and senate know that he plans to set the terms for the budget reconciliation bill. they hope to use to enact president biden's build back better agenda. billy of bloomberg covers capitol hill for bloomberg tweeting this morning about what may be ahead this morning in the u.s. house. here it is. house democratic caucus meeting will begin at 10:30a.m. in person attendance is highly encouraged. says a memo to members. this meeting is strictly members only for security purposes all members will be -- joining virtually must turn their webcams on to join the meeting. that's the democratic caucus in the u.s. house now happening at 10:30 eastern. for an update for things from the white house, the white house end of pennsylvania avenue, we are joined by bloomberg's justin sink, white house correspondent, good morning. guest: thanks so much for having me. host: we were just hearing about the house, potenti

something senator manchin does not. senator sinema doesn't like the tax increases in the bill, and that's how democrats are going to pay for it. and so you know, like i said before, they have to make some very difficult decisions and see if they can keep their party and their members in line. >> shannon, quickly, how much are the various deadlines here weighing on the white house, be they the end of october deadline, be they the virginia election where mcauliffe is screaming at washington democrats broadly to get something done here. how much is the white house aware of all the time on the clock here to get this bill together and passed? >> well, i mean, there have been so many deadlines, though. i remember there was memorial day deadline. there was a july 4th deadline. there was a back from labor day, halloween deadline, i guess these all have holidays in common. i think certainly the end of the year is really seen as a deadline. because there is that recognition that going into 2022 things will really fundamentally ch

manchin's climate position is really nothing new. i mean, take a look at this ad from 2010. >> i sued epa and i'll take dead aim at the cap and trade bill. >> yes. that was senator manchin shooting a bullet through president barack obama's climate plan, the cap and trade bill. now, to understand where senator manchin is coming from on all of this, it might be best to actually take a look at where he's from. manchin's home state of west virginia is the second largest coal producer in the country and ranks seventh in natural gas production. and a quick look at mcmaster's top donor sheds even more light on the senator's possible motives in all of this. according to open secrets a research organization that tracks political spending, manchin has received more campaign donations from the oil, coal, and gas industries than any other senator in the election cycle. you may remember just a few months ago when green peace uk obtained video of now former exxon lobbyists he called crucial. here's what he had to say about senator manchin at the t

well, david, you mentioned manchin. paul simon asked, who am i to blow against the wind and can you push the river, proverbially and people were out in the water doing a kayak protest of this house bill. take a look. >> this is our chance. we can't wait. >> we need to tax the rich. >> going to go broke in 2026. let us fix -- >> no! that's not true. tax the rich! >> we're taxing the rich. i agree, we're going to make the rich and the famous pay. >> they call themselves the kayak-ivists. shout out to water-based activism, david. you could see that senator manchin there chose to engage. he was in a little bit of a back and forth, so it is kind of a funny scene. he did say he is for taxing the rich. of course, he is not necessarily for rolling back all of the republican tax cuts that made the tax code this way. he also said in his statement anything above $1.5 trillion, which is the self-described moderate biden agenda, would raise a sort of entitlement mentality. your thoughts? >> well, i think the activists are trying to

especially since manchin initially wanted, you know, the deal initially was about $6 trillion, and manchin said from the beginning he's not buying into that number. it needs to go way, way down. >> right. it went from $6 trillion to $3.5 trillion. now it's somewhere between $1.5 trillion and $2 trillion. coming out of that meeting, schumer and others seem to think it's closer to $2 million. manchin seems to think it's closer to $1.5 million. after a while, a half of trillion dollars seems to be a lot of money. that's one of the mysteries. we don't know what would come of it. we know this much. president biden gets on a plane tomorrow. he's going off to the g-20. nato and other big meetings including climate. he wants to be able to say something about climate. and unless this package gets put together, at least in terms of a framework that is real, biden is going to be empty handed. >> and manchin from the beginning has been very clear about what his number was. that he was willing to go with. sinema has been more of an enigma in all of this. at the beginning, being very unclear about what

moments ago i caught up with joe manchin and asked him why not support this bill? the liberals say they want your support publicly. he said, if they can't take the word of the president of the united states and the speaker we are in trouble. he said we are going to work in good faith but notably would not say if he backs this bill he did indicate to me he is open to that, potentially supportive of the $1.75 trillion price tag higher than he wanted but still no sign of support. >> president biden came into office touting america is back on the world stage and has his first meetings in italy tomorrow where you are. then the climate conference in scotland next week. how does he explain having a democratic house, senate, whoit house, and yet can't close this deal? >> that is going to be a big question for the president and his aides have tried to tamp down expectations surrounding that, saying that these are other world leaders. they get domestic politics and understand what the president is dealing with but it is bigger than just the climate provisions i think in this

the republicans killed senator manchin's voting rights compromise yesterday. what happens -- now what? >> we have to continue to push, you know, for a while we've heard from some democratic senators saying it might take a couple of failed attempts to get this done before they can get some of the democrats who are against filibuster reform to come onboard. and so i'm hoping they're finally realizing the republicans on the senate side don't really care about our democracy. they're willing to do anything to make sure people don't actually have equal access to the voting booth. and it is going to be up to democrats to come together to save this democracy and make sure it is available for a future generation. >> i want to talk about the president's agenda now because biden is saying there will be a deal, and it's, you know, not the most difficult deal he has ever worked on. so what are democrats waiting for on this spending package? what is the hold-up? >> well, we always say it's not done until everyone agrees on a deal. i think what the hold-up right now is for a

he is what senator manchin had to say. >> will you vote for the package? >> we negotiated a good number that we have worked off of. >> is it too high for you? >> no, that was negotiated. yamiche: joining me to discuss what is in, what is out and where the negotiations stand -- jonathan lemire, the new host of msnbc's "way too early." i am happy you stayed awake to join us from new york and congratulations on the new show. here with me in studio -- thank you, jonathan. in studio, dan balz, chief correspondent for the washington post. ayesha rascoe from npr. and ali vitali, nbc news capitol hill correspondent. al i have to start with you. you were running all through capitol hill. what is the latest this hour? are there the votes with democrats to get this through to make this framework a law? ali: even inll of our sprinting from joe manchin's car and all throughout the halls of congress, there's clearly a will to get this done but it is a question of time. progressives have long felt that if this takes an extra few days or weeks, it is more important for th

they are pushing joe manchin away. it's the same thing with sinema the other day when she was being followed into the bathroom and joe biden says that's part of the process. they should be courting these people. they literally have their agenda the fate of the biden domestic agenda in their hands. they should be trying to do things they want not offend them. >> bret: yeah. and, chuck, quickly, there's nothing to say that mitch mcconnell couldn't say to joe manchin hey, listen, we don't think that was a good deal either you would be welcomed in our party. he is not going to do it. he says he wants to be a democrat the rest of his life. sinema the same way. one vote away being majority leader mitch mcconnell. >> well, you know, what's striking to me about this is the different strategies of manchin management, you might call going on here. mcconnell let it be known that he cut this deal on the debt ceiling to ease joe manchin's predicament over the filibuster to save him from a tough problem there. and on the other hand,

president, what's your message to progressives that don't trust manchin and sinema? >> it's a good day. >> reporter: do you think you have enough of a framework to get progressives to support the bill? >> yes. >> we saw congressman jim clyburn there with him as well after that meeting. leighann is with us. we'll get to perhaps why speaker pelosi postponed that meeting in a moment. we have heard from congresswoman. let's talk about that on the other side of hearing it. >> he, he said he's confident he can get the votes. it wasn't, i think -- it wasn't clear whether the two senators have committed to vote for it. i think it's a bit of a leap of faith in the president. the first step is we have to lee the legislation. >> the congresswoman, of course, the chairwoman of the progressive caucus. do we know if president biden is going to be talking about a bill he doesn't have the votes for yet? >> he's trying to get the votes. we don't know if he has them yet. that sound bite is really telling. that's what the progressives needed to hear from the president. absent legislati

you had a conversation with senator manchin. you know, he is still publicly saying he is at $1.5 trillion. is that what you take away from your conversation? >> what i heard from senator manchin was that he and president biden had a very positive, very purposeful conversation over the weekend as i think we all know. and i reminded him of the urgency of this week and the timing. president biden goes to the g20, and to the glasgow global climate conference. and it will make a significant difference, if we can get to an arrangement here where the infrastructure bill moves forward on the house, and where there is a framework for the build back better bill. um, both of them would make historic investments. in programs like pre-k and childcare and in combatting climate. >> so, you know, i know, though, you were also in a meeting last week between manchin and sanders. and when you -- you were talking to "axios" about that. you know, you talk about the vigorous discussion where manchin's basically like i'm fine with zero, with a goose e

so we shouldn't be surprised about manchin. but do you think any lawmakers who have been pushing for it could be so angry they say no to the president's offer? >> it's really possible. that was a key provision we've been talking about for months. there are a lot of things that came in and out but the paid family leave, the white house, the senators and members of congress have said is key to like the survival of america. that is key to making shire that parents are able to live in this country. and that -- so to say that goes out of the bill to get joe manchin's vote, a lot of people are frustrated by that. i don't know if it's enough to tank the bill. something that this white house has tried to make clear, this is not their last bite at the apple. i don't know how much it's going to pan out for them that this is likely the last bite at this kind of level of apple and that's what joe manchin said he wants to do paid family leave through some other process. it is possible that you get some republican votes on paid family leave.

manchin spoke to reporters earlier today. let's play what he said. >> let's do what we can do together. let's get that piece of legislation agreed upon that we can start working the framework of that. that's going to take a little while. with that being said, then we should be able to vote immediately on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which is a tremendous piece of legislation for the president to take and also knowing in good faith we have an outline to work out the details and fine print. >> reporter: there would have to be a lot of trust to be able to get that infrastructure bill done because progressives have held it up in pursuit of cutting a reconciliation bill. the ball appears to be moving. senator kyrsten sinema is seen by democratic sources as a bigger problem on this than senator manchin because she has not come out in favor of several components of president biden's plan, incluing raising taxes on the wealthy. >> thanks. we'll be checking in with you throughout the day. >>> meantime, the millions of americans

senator manchin has closer ties to the industry. before he ran for public office, he founded a coal and energy resource company. he passed that business on to his son, but that hasn't stopped him from raking in the cash because between 2011 and 2020, he received a total of more than a million in dividend income from inner systems. so now that we have a clear idea of manchin's banking and personal interests in all this, are we really surprised that he would oppose money to help our country break its addiction on fossil fuels so that we could avoid disasters like the one we are seeing play out in realtime in california? we're going to get into that next with the house select committee with mike levin and professor greer. plus, my saturday night panel has a little bit of everything. controversy, hypocrisy. including the nightmare before christmas. no, not the movie, a potential government shutdown. and at&t's key role in founding a far right conspiracy. stick around. g a far right conspiracy stick around ♪♪ things you start when yo

sounds really sensible, it's borderline shocking, to hear joe manchin say that. because he is the one who has been so fixated on the price of the bill. and a number above which he will not go. even as he rose refused to say publicly was specifically in the bill he wants to jettison to get to that number. and so to the great frustration of all the other democrats on capitol hill, they are the ones being tasked with figuring out what should be caught in order to get to the arbitrary number that joe manchin and kyrsten sinema arm purely insisting. >> when it comes to the policies in the bill, what are some areas that you are personally comfortable with? >> that's like saying pick your favorite child, these are good programs, i support the bill in its entirety. in the notion that we have to choose between child tax credit, take care for children, or family we've, is an impossible choice, when you consider working families face. >> this is what democrats in washington are struggling with the right, now what's the best way to shrink the presidents agenda, to a size tha

i like joe manchin, but i'm not driven by the joe manchin standard of whether something is a good deal or not. this was clearly a federal takeover of elections. it was not doing things around the edges of elections that direct the country in a more significant way and i'm opposed to it. there's no right way to do the wrong thing. federal government taking over elections is the wrong thing to do. one o of the strengths of our system is the diversity of the system itself and the state and local responsibility to conduct an election that people have confidence in. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you very much, senator roy blunt. with. >>> when we come back, democrats >>> when we come back, democrats are worried the ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ you know how some carriers give you so little for your old or busted phone, you just end up living with it!? i don't think so. verizon lets you trade in your broken phone for a shiny new one. you break it, we upgrade it. you dunk it? doggy-bone it? ha-ha! slam it, wham it, strawberry jam it? we upgrade it! get a 5g phone on us with select plans. e

did he forget to ask joe manchin? >> i don't like the connotation that we're targeting different people. there's people that are have contributed to society, created a lot of jobs and give a lot to philanthropic pursuits but it's time we all pull together and row together. >> and mention of dropping popular programs that would help the poorest mention, he doesn't like the idea of targeting the richest 700 people in this country? remember, manchin has defended his position saying he only answers to west virginians and not out of staters like vermont senators bernie sanders. so you might think that west virginia is loaded with millionaires and he's simply protecting his uber wealthy constituents. that's not true. as it was pointed out, west virginia doesn't even have any billionaires. so why is manchin protecting billionaires if there are none in west virginia? the chair of the congressional progressive caucus called him out on cnn. >> we were every much in favor of the original set of taxes to roll back the trump's tax

manchin and arizona senator kyrsten sinema remain the wildcards. sinema remains tight-lipped about what she actually wants to get a bill done. the bill is less massive and once ambitious that it once was. still, democratic leadership has dropped hints in recent days that a vote could happen as soon as this week. joining me now is democratic senator sherrod brown of ohio. he's the chair of the senate banking committee, housing and urban affairs. he along with congresswoman manneen waters of california have called attention to the housing crisis in this country. let's start with big picture. there's a meeting between the president and chuck schumer and joe manchin today. what do you know about where we are in getting manchin on board with what nancy pelosi says is at least 90% of the deal, which is that final 10%? >> first of all, i saw pelosi yesterday. i talked to the president yesterday. i am very confident this is going to happen. i echo the words of vice president harris. this week a number of us spent a good deal of time with senator manchin. h

we finally know where manchin at least is, we're seeing sinema and manchin engaging in these negotiations, we had white house officials up on capitol hill yesterday, and in some ways it feels like the reconciliation negotiations started in earnest yesterday. so they didn't come to an agreement last night. think about how long the infrastructure bill, which was bipartisan, and only $1.2 trillion, again, only $1.2 trillion, but compared to what they're trying to do with reconciliation, that took months to come to an agreement to. it is going to take some time. the question is if they can come to an agreement on this framework, this broad framework, buy-in from the principles that joe biden can get behind, is that enough to convince progressives. there is a massive trust deficit now between the centrists and the progressives. so we'll have to see what they can come up with today, which as debbie dingell noted is still yesterday because of what they did with the legislative calendar. >> i'm sorry, nancy pelosi can do a lot. but friday is friday and thursday is thursday. even pelosi can't do t

senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema have been opposed to these changes if -- and this is a big if -- if they can be convinced these two, to make an exception to the debt ceiling. and by the way, i've got them there, kyrsten sinema and joe manchin, can they be convinced to make exceptions to other things too? he and most of the democrats in congress have pegged at about $3.5 trillion. joe manchin has said he doesn't want to spend more than $1.5 trillion even though the biden administration insists everything in the plan would be paid for through taxes rather than increases the debt rather than republican tax cuts do. nbc news reports on a call with members of the congressional progressive caucus, president biden says he believes he can negotiate senators manchin and sinema up to the range of 1.9 to $2.2 trillion. the progressive caucus members reportedly pushed back. they made clear they think they need more than that to cover the priorities that are in the actual legislation. but ultimately according to a source, they told the president they would support whatever topline number h