he knows sinema, manchin oppose that. did he deliberately open the door to a next step that would involve a carveout for voting rights? >> reporter: well it was a shift in the president's previous position over the filibuster. the president signaling in the most clear terms yet that he is open to, quote, fundamentally altering the filibuster, not just for voting rights, perhaps also this issue of the debt limit, but also maybe more is what the president said there. certainly opening up pandora's box, but making very clear that that process is not something that he wants to, nor can he afford to engage in right now as he tries to get senators manchin and sinema on board with this reconciliation package. and that is where the president's focus is right now. and clearly it is a priority for the president over this issue of voting rights. that is just a matter of fact here. we do know that the president kind of took us behind the curtains of the negotiations with those senators and with the differing factions of the democrati

they are pushing joe manchin away. it's the same thing with sinema the other day when she was being followed into the bathroom and joe biden says that's part of the process. they should be courting these people. they literally have their agenda the fate of the biden domestic agenda in their hands. they should be trying to do things they want not offend them. >> bret: yeah. and, chuck, quickly, there's nothing to say that mitch mcconnell couldn't say to joe manchin hey, listen, we don't think that was a good deal either you would be welcomed in our party. he is not going to do it. he says he wants to be a democrat the rest of his life. sinema the same way. one vote away being majority leader mitch mcconnell. >> well, you know, what's striking to me about this is the different strategies of manchin management, you might call going on here. mcconnell let it be known that he cut this deal on the debt ceiling to ease joe manchin's predicament over the filibuster to save him from a tough problem there. and on the other hand,

president, what's your message to progressives that don't trust manchin and sinema? >> it's a good day. >> reporter: do you think you have enough of a framework to get progressives to support the bill? >> yes. >> we saw congressman jim clyburn there with him as well after that meeting. leighann is with us. we'll get to perhaps why speaker pelosi postponed that meeting in a moment. we have heard from congresswoman. let's talk about that on the other side of hearing it. >> he, he said he's confident he can get the votes. it wasn't, i think -- it wasn't clear whether the two senators have committed to vote for it. i think it's a bit of a leap of faith in the president. the first step is we have to lee the legislation. >> the congresswoman, of course, the chairwoman of the progressive caucus. do we know if president biden is going to be talking about a bill he doesn't have the votes for yet? >> he's trying to get the votes. we don't know if he has them yet. that sound bite is really telling. that's what the progressives needed to hear from the president. absent legislati

and of course, we know, manchin's top line is $1.75. what exactly is going to be in this thing that you know for sure stay and is not going to get cut? >> let me just say this. we are focused on the president's build back better agenda. and i have to tell you that the progressives under the leadership of chairwoman jayapal have really adhered to that, and we see that manifested in the negotiations right now. i don't think it's helpful to try to negotiate or delineate what's in the bill on national television right now, because we're in the midst of really closing in on a deal that everyone can agree. but i believe that the vast majority of what the american people have asked for, deserved, and that president has put forth in his agenda is what we're going to receive. albeit scaled down. but i can tell you, yasmin, at the end of the day, we're putting a significant down payment on the priorities that will move this nation forward, facing all of the crises we face and we're going to pay for some of it now, but this is notover by any stret

this was all for manchin. i don't know if it's going to be enough tof change manchin's mi. it's popular across age group and p parties and this does not benefit women. it's paidt family and medical leave. this is if you have a child ordeal with a loved one military's deployment. this touches every aspect of life and right now i think something like 23% of private workers have access to this leave. this would be hugely beneficial. i think a lot of people honestly are just really shocked that democrats could not get it in the bill. >> one of the funny things that despite this being widely popular and quite frankly reported the fact thatan the u. is so far behind on the issue of paid family leave, it's one of the most well known things in washington. senator manchin has been telling other democrats that he wanted to do his own research on this about how other countries handl paid family leave. how bizarre to say something like that as to why he won't support it? >> it's so bizarre to me. maybe he needs to take a quick breath from facebook. it's frustrating to me because it's s

. >> reporter: monday calls with joe manchin, as well as democratic leaders. >> last night i continued my discussions with speaker pelosi and president biden as we worked to an agreement on legislation we can bring to the floor. >> reporter: today, separate morning oval office meetings with manchin and kyrsten sinema. two moderate holdouts. afternoon meetings split by ideological leanings. nine progressives who urged biden to go big on his signature economic and climate bill focused by moderates focused on the infrastructure bill and a tailored approach to the economic and climate package. >> these are serious policy decisions often on nitty-gritty details. they aren't duels between factions. >> reporter: underscoring a moment that calls for equal parts personal touch and tough choices. biden facing a cold reality in order to secure the support of moderates he'll need to cut at least $1.5 trillion from his $3.5 trillion plan. and significantly reshape key elements on climate, paid leave and health care. >> the american people want us to act, and i think we're going to have to aggressiv

manchin spoke to reporters earlier today. let's play what he said. >> let's do what we can do together. let's get that piece of legislation agreed upon that we can start working the framework of that. that's going to take a little while. with that being said, then we should be able to vote immediately on the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which is a tremendous piece of legislation for the president to take and also knowing in good faith we have an outline to work out the details and fine print. >> reporter: there would have to be a lot of trust to be able to get that infrastructure bill done because progressives have held it up in pursuit of cutting a reconciliation bill. the ball appears to be moving. senator kyrsten sinema is seen by democratic sources as a bigger problem on this than senator manchin because she has not come out in favor of several components of president biden's plan, incluing raising taxes on the wealthy. >> thanks. we'll be checking in with you throughout the day. >>> meantime, the millions of americans

i think that senator joe manchin's view is we should do the latter. some and the progressive caucus want to do the former. host: we know where he is as far as the price tag of $1.5 trillion. what do you thing about dropping to those levels? guest: my guess is we will not end up quite that low. i think there is a good case to be made that that would cut some of the things most urgently needed, as we confront these crises, including climate change. i think probably what we are talking about is a topline number closer to $2 trillion. that's a lot of money. the difference is the defense budget of the united states. that's inconsequential amount. and our view is the number they are negotiating over is probably that. host: matt bennett is with us. jerry in maryland, you are on. go ahead with your question or comment. caller: what is the total intake for the federal government on an annual basis, because the budget , i believe, exceeds half of the total intake, so where is that money coming from? number two, the democratic agenda has this policy, and we have

especially since manchin initially wanted, you know, the deal initially was about $6 trillion, and manchin said from the beginning he's not buying into that number. it needs to go way, way down. >> right. it went from $6 trillion to $3.5 trillion. now it's somewhere between $1.5 trillion and $2 trillion. coming out of that meeting, schumer and others seem to think it's closer to $2 million. manchin seems to think it's closer to $1.5 million. after a while, a half of trillion dollars seems to be a lot of money. that's one of the mysteries. we don't know what would come of it. we know this much. president biden gets on a plane tomorrow. he's going off to the g-20. nato and other big meetings including climate. he wants to be able to say something about climate. and unless this package gets put together, at least in terms of a framework that is real, biden is going to be empty handed. >> and manchin from the beginning has been very clear about what his number was. that he was willing to go with. sinema has been more of an enigma in all of this. at the beginning, being very unclear about what

is this june manchin? september manchin? august manchin? will december manchin be a different, will this be a different senator? >> sandra: okay. you tell me, what is this division word process the party do? does it have long-lasting impact? >> karl: absolutely. in fact, look, maybe aoc is new to politics, insulting the person you are trying to negotiate with is not a good way to get to a deal. all this personal program being aimed at joe march manch and cinema, it will make them dig in deeper. notice the president has not engaged in that, he knows enough, if you try to cut a deal, you don't go out and publicly insult people you are trying to get to the table to find common ground with. that is what progressives are, my way or the highway and insult you on the way. >> sandra: digging into reporting from our own jacqui heinrich in washington and i'll take you through it. she's reporting right now sources are telling fox news what is happening right now behind closed doors. pelosi is trying to gauge how many votes she has for a vote on the in

so manchin is a big issue. sinema is a big issue. there's a lot of other problems democrats have right now. >> right. well, let's just -- renee, stick with the joe manchin situation here, because senator bernie sanders, chairs senate banking. i mean, he -- well, he put out -- he did an op ed in the charleston gazette, the west virginia newspaper. poll after poll shows support for this legislation, yet, the political problem we face is in a 50/50 senate we need every democratic senator to vote yes. we have only 48. two democratic senators are in opposition, including senator joe manchin, democrat, west virginia. manchin responded to the sanders' op ed saying this isn't the first time an out of staters has tried to tell west virginians what is best for them despite having no relationship to our state. no op ed from a self-declared independent socialist is going to change that. oh, the bern. renee. >> what i find interesting is joe manchin is so deeply offended this outsider, the senator from vermont, would try to tell west virginians w

manchin is opposed to that. so far, mr. manchin and one other person has indicated they will not support free community college. >> there's lot of democrats in the house and senate who are confused about where senator sinema actually stands on things. do you know where she stands? >> first of all, she's smart as a devil, number one. number two, she's very supportive of the environmental agenda in my legislation. where she's not supportive is she says she will not raise a single penny in taxes on the corporate side and/or on wealthy people. >> joining me now, cnn's john harwood live at the white house, and cnn's manu raju on the steps of the capitol as people are heading for the exits on a friday. manu, you just heard from the speaker as she was coming back from the white house. what did she say about all of this? >> reporter: well, she did have a meeting with the president this morning along with chuck schumer, the majority leader. she sounded optimistic but also acknowledged they are not there yet. i asked her about the on

joe manchin and bernie sanders meeting behind closed doors yesterday. we know joe manchin yet with pramila jayapal who leads the progressive caucus. what is your take on these meetings? >> having the meetings, great. let's have the meetings. also, what comes out of it? are we bringing home climate action? that's the question. are we bringing home free community college? are we bringing home what we need for our care economy, those investments we need right now for our communities. the talks are great. let's talk and act. let's talk and move. the clock is ticking. people need help right now. >> the president meeting today with a group of moderate democrats and progressive democrats. are either of you going? >> no. we haven't been invited to the meeting. that's unfortunate because there have been multiple meetings, and neither myself nor cori bush or other members of the squad have been invited to any of these meetings. it's unacceptable. it's frustrating. when we talk about our districts, we center racial justice and racial equality. we center economic j

what's really behind manchin and sinema's obstructionism? >> look, rev, that's the same question we've been asking. i appreciate cori bush saying who is your priority and what are you doing to make sure they get what they need? because it's clear that every time manchin and sinema make a demand, they're not prioritizing americans in need, the most vulnerable communities across this country. as you showed in the polls, the people who want and support all of these provisions. instead, manchin and sinema are going to biden saying, hey, we got to cut some of this tough. with every provision that's sunset earlier or cut sbieshlgs they're saying, no, mothers don't need family leave. no, children don't deserve pre-k. no, our elders don't deserve elder care or vision and hearing care as part of medicare. like, they are creating these issues within the caucus, but i do have hope that it will be resolved soon, rev. but i also want to appreciate what you mentioned about republicans sitting on the sidelines throughout all of this. they have essentially

is this june manchin, september or august manchin, will december manchin >> bill: we'll see a different senator. >> despite all the divisions within his party jen psaki insists the president knows what he is doing here. >> democratic lawmakers calling on him to lean more on senators manchin and sinema. what's the president's reaction to that? >> he knows how to do this. a lot of people throwing stones aren't part of the negotiations. they're one-on-one. i think they should leave it to him and others to get it done. >> marsha blackburn from tennessee is here to react. jackie heinrich with the latest. a minute to minute story as it unfolds and she is at the white house. >> good morning to you. this is really evolving minute by minute as you said. the white house didn't call a lid last night until almost 11:00. you know how unusual that is. the aides, white house aides stayed in speaker pelosi's for hours on the hill and went to the senate side trying to work out some sort of a deal. it didn't happen overnight. reporters stayed here just in case it did. but the midnight oil continued to bu

sinema and manchin in the oval office, or what as they call it tuesday. here to talk about, it juanita tolliver, -- two progressive candidates and stuart stevens, veteran of mitt romney and -- who is these days with the lincoln project. his latest book and it's an important one's, it was all a lie. how the republican party became donald trump. well, good evening, and welcome to your both. juanita, we're gonna have sore feelings on both sides. it is whatever the president going to sign still a victory? we >> absolutely. right? i don't think it can be underscored enough that once democrats are pulling this load all by themselves to make investments that are critical for the american public, but to, these investments are still historic. i think in conversations with folks like representative pressley about all of the things that are still included here, now negotiations aren't done and rest presented of jayapal said it's not all done unless it's all agreed to by everyone. then, we will have a final picture. but, short of that final picture while we still hav

we just heard jonathan kott, former aide to senator manchin, say that senator manchin wants to make sure the money goes to people who really need it. what's your reaction to that? >> it's doing just that, that's the whole point. if you can make sure no one pays more than 7% of their income for childcare, that's a game changer for real people across the country including in west virginia and arizona as well as wisconsin. so, you know, we want to keep these things as intact as possible. and the good part of it is that it's paid for. and i think that's the real challenge we're having. it's not that there's a few democrats who aren't quite on board fully yet, although i think everyone is working together to get there. it's that big pharm and the special interests are fighting that build back better agenda. that's what we're really fighting. most of us just want to get this done as soon as possible because this is a huge win for the american people. and it will be a huge loss for the thousands of special interests that unfortunately dominate this town. >> progressives throughout this process,

i can't quite figure out what manchin is doing because on the one hand, manchin sayshe bill has to include the hyde amendment which says you cannot use taxpayer money to pay for abortion.o there is nobody on the left who's going to accept that nobody. i don't know if he is setting up an excuse tow kill the bill or f that's just a maneuver to negotiate. in the case t of sinema, she has shown very tough, very calm very much just being her own person. frankly, they can't pressure her very much. she has been elected in the state which elects mavericks. it elected m barry goldwater. it elected john mccain. she is perfectly in that kind of tradition. the big government socialists are desperate, and that's what s you're seeing, desperation which i think the rest of the country is beginning to react to. that's why you're getting these chants at football stadiums and at talladega. the average american is fed up with being browbeaten by a bunch of crazy left-wing radicals. >> sean: mr. speaker, always great to have you. thank you, sir.t- also developing tonightys flip-flop fauci acting as a full-fle

we know the freedom to vote act has been done in conjunction with manchin and manchin's office. grace, can i ask you, why bring up this vote right now, and will manchin use this opportunity to perhaps talk about the filibuster and suspending it? >> yeah. i mean manchin, his guiding star is he really wants everything to be bipartisan. he's made that very, very clear through out the process. the problem is right now we're at a point where there's very, very little that democrats and republicans agree on on a national level when it comes to voting policy. i've been reporting on this exact issue from the halls of the senate for the summer and fall. it doesn't seem anyone's position has changed on this. when it comes to the filibuster, manchin made it clear many, many times, not only does he not support eliminating the filibuster, but he specifically doesn't support lowering the threshold it would take to pass and have debate on this voting rights legislation. he specifically pointed to how under former majority leader harry reid, there were executive nominations that were lowered. i

and sanders is not in a room with manchin negotiating. the president joked in fact, it would be homicide to put them together. why? because they're being jerks to each other using, yes, the mainstream media. sanders also patrolled manchin with an op-ed in the charleston gazette newspaper, the mainstream media he is blaming for not selling the provisions in the bill, providing sanders a platform to sell the provisions in the bill as he blames them. there is one thing that everyone in the senate can agree on, though, as usual, recess. more time to not sit in a room together and negotiate as another self-imposed deadline swiftly approaches. >>> you know, one thing you're not talking about if you're talking about the media? what's in the bill! >> correct. he likes to do this, though. if you look, he likes to blame the media for a lot of things. it's kind of one of his, you know, function buttons. >> that seems to be a bipartisan trend now. >> yes. >>> the man behind the steele dossier speaking out for the first time on camera. does he still t

joe manchin has been at a trillion and a half dollars for months. is there an indication that he is moving or at this point that he really needs to? >> well, he would argue and has argued both to me and to other people that he came from $0, that he was for the infrastructure bill that passed in a large bipartisan way, the hard traditional infrastructure bill, but on these issues, he didn't feel and still doesn't feel like it's time to do these broad policy changes that the president is so intent on doing. and so he says, well, i came from zero to 1.5 and now i'm going up a little bit. and progressives, of course, as you said, bernie sanders actually had like a $7 trillion bill, knowing full well that that was never going to happen. but why not start there. he's the budget chair, he's bernie sanders, he can do that. so there was an understanding they could get someplace in the middle, but again, there is a psychological part of this kind of like when you go and buy something, it's easier to swallow if it's $1.99 rather than $2.01. it's something abou

manchin: come to order. we are here to begin discussing the 1872, covering mining on public lands and consider waste to bring this outdated law to the 21st century. to put things in perspective, in 1872, ulysses grant was president & legislation establishing what is now yellowstone national park. as our parts are called americans best idea, but at this point, i don't think anyone would say the same about the mining law. it has been more than 13 years since the committee has held hearings on mining reform and it is time to look at a sensible update to be done it. i know we can pursue mining reform responsibly bearing in mind mining's importance to our national defense and economic security. that includes making sure taxpayers get a fair return on federal resources and we maintain american competitiveness and that we encourage the development of secure, critical supply chains. debates surrounding public lands and natural resources are complicated. i am glad we have this panel of experts before us for this disc

despite sinema and manchin. if we need them, we have to bring them in some way and give up something and then go around them later on. host: thank you for that . article from politico reporting on the discussions yesterday. democrats edge closer to ditching disarray. nancy pelosi and chuck schumer's strategy to force through democrats' domestic agenda flamed out in september. they are ready to try all over again with the long-sought priorities on the line. the speaker and senate majority leader are hustling to clinch a deal as soon as possible that would lock in evasive centrists on a framework for joe biden's $2 trillion spending package. that framework would free up needed progressive votes for a bipartisan infrastructure bill by october 31. this was the view yesterday of the senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell, on the democrats' deliberations. [video clip] >> we have all been fascinated by the stories you are filing about the difficulties our democratic friends are having getting everybody in place on thi

senator sinema, senator manchin, come to my district, visit with my folks. talk to the people you're trying to overlook. you don't care, but we do. and i'm not going to quit talking about that. >> after meeting in the white house this morning, nancy pelosi came back, said it was a good meeting, and i asked her whether or not manchin and cinema have signed off on these final provisions here and she said -- ask the senate and the white house, that is up to them to close that deal, but i can tell you, those talks will continue, how long they go, alisyn, still unknown. >> okay, manu. thank you. >>> let's talk more about last night's cnn town hall. it turns out, president biden made some false claims. cnn's daniel dale is here. so president biden, as you know, is facing push back over something he said about the border. so let's watch this moment. >> i've been there before, and i haven't -- i mean, i know it well. i guess i should go down, but the whole point of it is i haven't had a whole hell of a lot of time to get down. now, my wife jill has been down. she's

. >> look who's defending joe manchin. i'm checking the time right now. all right, stewart, i'm coming to you after this break. both of our guests have agreed to stay with us. we're going to continue our conversation. to wit, the issues in the final days of the campaign, i.e., the news media have called the unofficial start of the midterm elections. ♪i try so hard, i can't rise above it♪ ♪don't know what it is 'bout that little gal's lovin'♪ ♪but i like it, i love it♪ applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. feel stuck with student loan debt? move to sofi-and feel what it's like to get your money right. ♪ move your student loan debt to sofi—you could save with low rates and no fees. earn a $500 bonus when you refi-and get your money right. >>> he started his campaign by saying that the number one issue in the race was his -- he called for election integrity. now this guy starts at his call for election integrity. now, why did he do that? because he wanted to hear donald trump? there was a price he'd have to pay for the nomin

if joe manchin showed up at a back robbery, joe manchin would be like the guys in side want to kill the hostages, we'll keep some inside and make a deal. >> paid family leave, why won't any moderate republicans actually throw their voice behind this? is washington at that broke that when something is so widely popular, republicans are more loyal to their political party than to the americans who want to see something like this? not one republican has stood up and actually said we're going to support this because paid family leave is something that three-quarters of americans agree on? >> there are four parties in congress, not two, liberal democrats, centrist democrats, more centrist democrats and trump republicans. that's why this is a lot more difficult than people think. there's a lot of members in the center who care about other issues like the role of government, the cost of bills, deficit spending, the national debt. so that's one. number two, why aren't republicans participating in this debate? because this is a reconciliation process. this was a process that was designed specifi

>> have you had this confirmed from senators manchin and sinema? >> shouted questions as the president of the united states leaves the east room of the white house. hello, everybody. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king in washington, a very consequential day, 23-plus minutes, president joe biden pitching his agenda from the east room. he says he has a framework with congress and calls it truly consequential. the president says democrats are prepared to make historic investments right now in the nation. he promises it will change the lives of millions. he says this is a fundamental game-changer for working families, but the president says he has a framework but he does not have is a deal which is why what you just heard from the president of the united states, a bit of a gamble, a victory lap before he gets to the finish line. joining us to wrap up what we heard from the president in a day of remarkable developments up on capitol hill, cnn's kaitlan collins, manu raju, dana bash and david chalian. manu, i want to speak with you. speaking in

we know for months joe manchin is center to all this. sinema snuck up on people and equally a player, maybe bigger and here is why. she's tougher to read. with joe manchin, you usually know the top line and bottom line. with her, you are not so sure, you are having her fellow senators comparing her. she cares more about taxes than the spending side that he cares about. yet she came through college through pell grants and cared about climate. >> her colleagues are more frustrated with her. i think you hit on it. she's also given a number she's comfortable with. tell us what's her end game here and also comparing with her colleague, park kelly. >> she takes the d after her name. seriously what you are seeing is that she's willing to walk away. as you know from your own reporting. the white house has always been confident. joe biden is the democrat and in the end he'll be with you. he keeps for an axios senator. she keeps track of it and pulls it out when she goes into these negotiations, she has receipts. >> you were reporting on local ele

is it senator manchin wrong? >> cedric: i won't say that he is wrong, but i will say that this administration, we know what we need to do. we need to deliver for the american people. 17 nobel laureate economist said that if we pass both of these plans we would reduce inflation. we need to work and make sure that senator manchin understands that this affects the future in terms of making sure that we invest in american families so they can determine their own destiny. we think we've unity of purpose senator manchin. that is what the president is best. that is to talk to senator manchin and make sure that he understands the entire vision why we need to do it and what amount. at the end of the day, what's important for people to understand is that this piece of legislation cost $0. we're going to pay for it all by raising taxes on the very wealthy and big corporations. >> chris: i have to stop you there. it does not cost dollars. whether it's a 1 trillion, $2 trillion, it does cost that amount of money. you can pay

that person is joe manchin. i don't know if there is a fainting couch anywhere here his office in the senate. they were sure this wouldn't happen. they were pushing a voting rights bill called the for the people act. the bill was in fact such a high priority for democrats that democrat uk leaders gave it the symbolic label of bill number one. in the house and in the senate. house bill one. senate bill one. the for the people act. voting rights act. it was not the for the people act. the for the people act died this summer at the hands of joe manchin. that voting rights bill for anyone that didn't have any republican support. since senator manchin is against changing the filibuster rules in any way, even for protecting the democracy, his stance on this meant that a voting rights bill would have to get ten republican votes which he insisted was possible. senator manchin said he had a plan. the problem, according to senator manchin, is not that republicans were obstructing this for the sake of obstructionism, no th

joe manchin's from west virginia. then this response from manchin. i will not vote for a reckless expansion of government programs, no op-ed from a self-declared independent socialist is going to change that. and news that is infuriating progressives, the key plank in biden's climate change agenda is likely to be stripped from the bill. so now that we've had two senators, other than that everything's going absolutely swimmingly. two senators from the top rope at one another. look, i think the question right now is, you're in the white house every single day, what's your read about kind of how they viewed this moment in time with the legislation? >> i think they're ready to get it across the finish line, and it's just not moving very quickly. and we talked earlier about these upcoming summits that the president is going to, the climate piece is really important to his argument at glasgow, which is this international climate change conference where he wants to say the united states is back and we're going to cut our emissions 50% by 2030. it's going to

it is not about me and senator manchin. it is about families in the bronx. this is about people who take a bus to drop their kid off at school, and they're not going to be able to go back to work because they don't have child care to go back to work. >> brennan: but it is a question about the vision for the democratic party. last year you were very, very frank during the presidential race. you said in any other country, joe biden and i wouldn't even be in the same party, but in america we are. has joe biden proved himself progressive enough for you now? >> yeah, and i think -- and those comments are referring to parliamentary systems. we don't have a two party duopoly. but i think pres president biden is, in fact a moderate. we disagree on certain issues. but he reaches out, and he actually tries to understand our perspective, and that is why i am fighting for his agenda, with the build back better act. >> brennan: are you surprised he hasn't been able to deliver those senate moderates that you're having those problems with? >> no. no. i think that for quite

let's talk about joe manchin. all week we've been hearing from joe manchin. what's his top line number? turns out he has a top line number and far short of what progressives want. $1.5 trillion. he's actually been pretty clear about that number since at least july. politico scoops this yesterday, this agreement that he has with chuck schumer, the senate majority leader. he also hinted on it pretty clearly with dana on state of the union. we've known this number. progressives apparently didn't get the memo on it. why not? >> reporter: well, because it's one thing to say -- have a number and say, that's my top line number. it's another thing to actually begin to seriously negotiate. you also had another senator in kirsten sinema who was not quite as forthcoming as joe manchin. yes, that whole $1.5 trillion number has been out there. we didn't know until yesterday, and it was made public in the scoop that you mentioned about politico, the amount of detail surrounding what joe manchin had laid out and chuck schumer had initialled that piece of paper. but now is w

manchin made that clear. sinema didn't say how she would react if it led up to a deadline to reach a potential default. that's one reason why mcconnell made this offer. another reason why, he believes a short-term proposal would give them more time to go through a process on capitol hill, a budget process that would allow them to advance this budget, the increase in the national debt ceiling on democratic votes alope. i'm told the proposal will extend the debt ceiling through december. through november. it would increase it by several hundred billion dollars, but that would require all 100 senators including 50 republicans to agree to a quick vote so any one republican could de delay the process. it's also unclear if democrats will accept that proposal. they want to suspend it through next year's midterm so there's no squcare at all about what wod happen with the potential default. that vote is going to happen in just a matter of minutes. republicans are expected to block the suspension of the debt limit. so

i think this party needs to embrace people like joe manchin, they ought to be able to elect joe manchin instate cycle iowa. -- i think that that diversity, is difficult but i think it's really important. look, other than having a democrat like joe manchin representing joe west virginia -- >> thank you for name checking, nostalgically so. -- you guys always make us -- stewards to -- thanks to our two friends of our broadcast, coming up for us. if you are waiting for something you ordered, we may be able to track your package. after this break. it might of the many customer service who provide. service who provide. ♪ this is how we do it ♪ (tools drop) (squeaking sound) ♪ this is how we do it ♪ turns out, montell jordan knows how to do almost everything. and it turns out the general is a quality insurance company that's been saving people money for nearly 60 years. ♪ this is how... ♪ i got it, i got it, i got it. for a great low rate, and nearly 60 years of quality coverage make the right call - and go with the general. let me get this straight. you've got an a.i. strategy to

and once again, senator joe manchin is at the senator of all the drama. democrats left tying to piece together next steps. >> this is one of the problems that we have now, not just with senator manchin, but senator sinema. we need every democratic vote. we're not going to get one republican vote. our individual citizens will suffer a generation or two down the road and the economy will, as well. so, it's a shame that we would have to strike the policy initiative out of this package, but we have to get 50 votes. >>> a massive strike that could have shut down much of hollywood's tv and film production avoided of crew workers reach a tentative deal with studio execs and their new contracts include some major perks. but will all union members actually still go for the deal. we'll ask that question in a live report, as we do say good morning, everybody. it is sunday, october 17th. i'm kendis gibson. where did this month and year go by? >> it's not over yet. >> feels like it. >> i know. i'm lindsey reiser. so good to be with you on this sunday. and we have a te

manchin denies the report. >> it's rumors and bull [bleep]. >> joe manchin is a moderate. reporters and commentators have asked manchin for years about switching parties. >> why don't you fess up and become a republican? >> i believe deep will in my democratic roots. >> there's some on the left that would like to torpedo manchin because he seems to have prevailed when it comes to the cost of the social spending bill. he wants to spend $1.5 trillion. but manchin leaving the party could cost democrats control of the senate. manchin could become an independent and still caucus with the democrats. under that scenario, democrats would still maintain control. charles? >> charles: let's get to emanuel clever. congressman, before we get to the spending push, your thoughts about the support. senator manchin thinking about leaving the party. we played a sound bite that was intriguing. he said he's a west virginia democrat that may not match up with the washington d.c. democrats. that was a few years ago. the washington d.c. democrat has moved further left. >> well, i think joe manch

>> no, i mean, i have had a number of conversations with senator manchin. i just talked to him today. so that continues. look, i think he is trying to get to a place where, you know, he can help us get this done. but i have not had those conversations with sinema. but i do understand that she is talking to the white house. but we need to get this done. and we can't expect progressives to vote for an infrastructure bill, which, frankly, rachel, there were a lot of progressives who didn't like that -- it's got some good things in it, but it is net negative on carbon emissions, and there were a lot of people who said the only way i can vote for that is if we fix that with the build back better act and a real investment in climate. that's how we got people to agree to vote for a bill that was negotiated by 12 senators without any consultation from the house. so if we are going to get this done, that's why we've always tied them together to say we will vote both these bills through, and that's where our members still are. and i believe we can get this done, but

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senator manchin is against a medicare expansion. those were things that we knew but hearing the president lay it out and where the fellow senators are on this holding up the process is really powerful and impactful for a process where people complain they don't know where the colleagues stand. there's power in president biden laying that out. at the same time i have heard ranging degrees of optimism to be done by the end of the week and seems difficult to believe given what senator manchin said yesterday and president biden said last night but i think what's clear on the hill is there's a momentum that hasn't been here before so whether it's at the end of the week. could be a long friday or bebleed into next week and see the game playing out with things on and off the table could happen in real life but the thing president biden said that was very true especially for those of us watching this closely is in a senate that's this close everyone is a president. certainly that's been born out seeing the negotiations on the hill and betwe

then senator manchin said he didn't like it. so this is what we're dealing with. >> this is indeed what we're dealing with, another potential revenue source for the federal government programs forcing corporations to pay their fair share. well, today president biden and other world leaders voiced support for a 15% global corporate minimum tax. msnbc's stephanie ruhle explained earlier this week why a deal like that would be significant. >> scores of big companies pay zero. last year alone, over 50 major corporations paid nothing. companies you know, nike, sales force, fedex. >> no federal tax? >> zero. and guess what, what did you and i do last year? we paid taxes. whether you're talking democrats or republicans, people across the board don't think this is fair. >> no, it is not fair. and the fact that this debate is actually happening right now is a big deal. but i still want to know why we can't tax billionaires. we'll get into that with our panel at the top of the hour. stick around. namel repair tooth, we can help actively r

joe manchin is open to compromise. if you give him something on energy and don't bang up on coal touch, he will come up on the number. that's a traditional compromising politician. we have here real zealots here. it's my way or the highway. remember barney frank calling out bernie sanders for being in congress in decades and not getting anything accomplished because it was his way or the highway? that's what you see with aoc, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren to a lesser degree. these people tonightbroker compromise. historically they wouldn't be in a position of power. joe biden has put them in a position of power and has nancy pelosi. they're reaping what they have sown in my view. >> i completely agree. i take it one step further and say don't underestimate the vanity and ambition of bernie sanders. he's the one there that is setting the lead here in terms of how the progressive respond. i can imagine a scenario bernie says look, we're not going to compromise or come down to joe manchin's level. we want the agenda we

on the subject of joe manchin. the president and joe manchin have known each or for a long time. this is me translating. i know house liberals are furious at him, but we're going to get there. >> joe is not a bad guy. he's a friend and he's always at the end of the day come around and voted for it, but there's a lot of things that joe is open to my convincing him that i can use it to increase environmental progress without it being that particular deal. >> now that is the west virginia piece there, that joe manchin says, no, i'm the senator from coal country. i won't do the big aggressive dramatic things that progressives wanted to do and president biden wanted to do but the president seems confident, lauren, he can get a compromise even on a climate package that will be at least enough for the progressives to say it's a down payment. >> think where the president has gotten joe manchin up to this point. joe manchin didn't want to do anything. he's sitting right around $1.5 trillion in programming here. yes, there is a sense that there is a way to thread this needle on climate wit

it also isn't just joe manchin. the progressive caucus also wants to get a firm commitment, at least verbally, from joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, as they rightly should. because there has been a lot of last-minute things put together. we even talked about, for example, maybe paid family leave gets put in, maybe that gets joe manchin upset, i don't know. but i think that what we're seeing is, democrat leadership is trying to push their conference in a way that they are not willing to go. they are not blindly following leadership. they are doing what they believe is in their conference's best interests and their own constituents. >> i've been trying to dig into this, i have yet to find an answer. if you don't have one, just be clear on it, right? but do you have any understanding as to why joe manchin is against paid family leave? have you at all heard why it is that's not something he supports? >> yasmin, all i can point to is the fact that he is a 74-year-old man who likely has not spent a lot of time caring for c

senators manchin and sinema. now, things are always fluid, but as of now, our capitol hill team reports it this way. senator manchin's hangups are mostly what to spend the money on specifically. he doesn't like spending so much on paid family leave. on medicare vouchers, on medicaid expansion, and climate. that's another big issue for him. senator sinema's big focus is on how democrats plan to pay for the stuff that ends up in the bill, the spending. her sticking points are over income surtax on the wealthy, negotiating prescription drug prices and a billionaire income tax. democrats released a plan that would cover the last point. we're going to dig into that in moments. stephanie ruhle is here to tell us about it, but right now here's the key question. how do you bring two opposing viewpoints together with the clock ticking? remember, president biden is heading to europe tomorrow, and that was what looked like the key deadline. nbc has more from capitol hill. monica alba is at the white house. i want to bring i

that was a specific ask by senator joe manchin. funding for home and elderly and disabled people will likely be produced as well. sources telling cnn president biden is zeroing in $1.75 trillion to 1.9 t$1.9 trillion. it is more in line with what senator joe manchin wanted. there is renewed sense of urgency. they want to get a deal this week. they will be caucusing here in a few hours. a key moment to get a temperature on how the new details are being received. >> sunlen, thank you so much for that update. as you said, there are still details to be worked out, but these are the contours of an agreement here. thank you. >> democrat ro khanna is here with us now. okay. so much closer to an agreement this morning for sure, than we saw in the last couple days. do you think we will see a vote by next week? >> brianna, i'm optimistic. when we met with the president yesterday, he emphasized he wants to get this done before going to glasgow. i think the message got through. >> is that enough? >> house progressives would want more. let's lo

he spent a lot of time with senator manchin. from the white house's perspective, in what ways has manchin compromised? jen: we'll let senator manchin speak for himself. what i would note here, it's not the president giving up or taking anything. the president is trying to unify a path forward between a range of members in congress. senators and house members. and what they are for or against or what they can support or what they're against. that's part of the role he's playing in this negotiating process. so we'll point you to senator manchin on what he feels he's given up or what he's for. he can speak for himself. reporter: secondly, the president is going to glass cow and hoping -- glasgow and hoping -- [indiscernible] comments are coming from. absent a complete deal on any framework, is there any effort from the white house to achieve just the climate portion so he can go to glasgow with a framework within a framework? jen: i would just go back to what jake sullivan said yesterday which is that global leaders are quite sophi