they were coming to the capitol for a permanent demonstration in lot 8 that alex jones and ali alexander were going to have. that went off the rails and didn't halppen. they also believed, and i don't pretend to understand this, but they thought the president was going to invoke the insurrection act and they might be called up in the nature of a militia. that sort of escapes my understanding. but they really did believe it might come to that, that the president would call upon them. but -- >> i'm sorry. i want to get to your opinion but i also want to focus on what they're saying. who told them to provide security? are they acting under the direction of someone in particular or were they volunteering and presuming to provide it in some way? were they instructed? >> they were volunteers, but they were asked, originally about ali alexander's event planning firm, to come to one of event and then they were redirected over to the ellipse for the women for america first rally. and they were there, and, you know, their role was to escort people through the crowd, provide medical support, that s

today a conspiracy theorist, alex jones, admitting he went in. he was deposed by the committee. pleading the fifth almost 100 times. another loss for a trump ally, lawyer john eastman who was part of the memos, the paper trail that was trying to make these kwaus see legal arguments that there was ways to stay in power, the memo to pence outlining the procedure to stay in power. a judge ordering him to respond to the committee's subpoena for his emails. that's an evidentiary request. he's also pled the fifth separately to about 150 questions. you see that lawyers can't just walk away even though they do have legal, valid privilege claims. some are dodging and weaving, some are giving testimony, a version of testimony and television interviews. they will be held to the same rule of law standard, and they all need to keep their bar memberships. that brings us to a trump aide and lawyer who appeared on this program on friday, boris epshteyn admitting he was involved in the fraudulent electors plot. what he called alternate electors, while he insisted whatever he wanted to do was leg

it all makes fox, to me, much closer to alex jones and infowars than it is to msnbc and cnn. >> so when joe biden says that, why as someone who is so integrated into the democratic party as you and you have worked these campaigns, why does he say that? is it because it's kind of a sop to centrism and he's playing in what exists while privately trashing peter doocy and other fox news reporters or do you think he believes it? >> i don't think he necessarily believes it. i think he was saying that to appear more centrist, to appear more moderate. there is a bias in our culture in the media, in d.c., toward covering the two sides here, the democratic side and the republican side, the fox side, and thelegitimate news side. they cover them like a bickering couple in a romantic comedy. think of tom hanks and meg ryan in "you got mail." i was going to say sleepless in seattle. it was "you got mail." the theory there is, oh, can't these folks get along? can't they get together? can't they work things snout that's very much the media narrative. it's also the media narrative that tends to root for

. >> reporter: where alex jones told his followers trump is getting and giving bad advice on the vaccine. >> it's so people can know how pathetic he is when you think he's playing 40 chess going to save you and it's not. >> reporter: vaccine resistance is so high among republicans 4 in 10 were unvaccinated going into the holidays compared to about 1 in 10 democrats. so never mind the former president steadily rejects the idea of mandates, when he talks up voluntary vaccination, some slap him down. >> i was stunned by that. i mean, given the fact of how popular he is with that group. >> the vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind. >> reporter: in a chat with conservative talk host candice owens, trump rightfully took credit for fast-tracking the life-saving science that is leading the fight against covid. >> look, the results of the vaccine are very good. and if you do get it, it's a very minor form. people aren't dying when they take the vaccine. >> reporter: her snap response, a tangled video suggesting trump is out of touch with the truth. >> you oftentimes forget like h

jones, roger stone, conservative lawyer john eastman. now, he really is a significant witness for the committee, not only for his own experience, not only for his efforts to try to get trump to do something, but mostly for what he knows about what mark meadows was up to during this time because meadows has been an elusive witness for this committee. he has stonewalled their efforts so far. they have of course referred him to the department of justice for potential contempt of congress. no charges have been filed. but for now williamson is likely the committee's best insight into exactly what the white house chief of staff was up to, as the capitol was under attack. >> thank you. we'll be right back. people everywhere living with type 2 diabetes are waking up to what's possible... with rybelsus®. the majority of people taking rybelsus® lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than 7. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer or have multipl

we've seen this with people with alex jones and on spotify is their popular podcaster. they paid him more than $120 million in 2020 for exclusive treatmenting. -- treatment. >> $100 million deal is significant. and he was also the number within podcast on spotify. how do you think it played into their decision to let johnny mitchel and young leave? >> every social platform wants to be seen as a neutral platform where they aren't responsible for policing earn says but they also want to pick their own stars and promote them. they have promoted joe rogan so heavily inside the spotify app for years now that they do have a greater responsibility for what they put on his show. that's the fine line they're struggling to walk and we'll see what happens in the next few days. >> joanie mitchell, neal young, legends, legendary. is that having -- i mean, how big of an impact is joanie mitchell and neal young and others having? >> it's not a big impact yet. these are two of many, many, many top artists on spotified spotify. a lot of musicians can't pull their music, they're controll

i mean, he's a journalist the way alex jones is a journalist, the way rush limbaugh was a journalist. just because you get behind a microphone and spread lies, it shouldn't give you any protection. this is embarrassing for fox news, not that they have any shame -- but this puts them right in the middle of everything -- >> let me cut in on that -- >> it's embarrassing because they're a propaganda arm. >> let me cut in on that. i'll let you continue. i like to give everyone all the facts and this is new stuff. the letter came out moments before we came on air. your view is he's not much of a journalist. as for what the congress is doing, had they're not taking that position just to be clear. they are saying that they have, quote, immense respect -- i'm just going to read this so viewers can hear them as well as you. the congress says in this committee they have immense respect for the first amendment, freedom of the press and the rights of americans to express their political opinions openly, and they say for that reason we don't intend to seek information from you regarding your broadc

jones land. in any event, yes, i think they will come out talking tough. it's not clear to me that the committee really believes that they need their testimony, but they want to put down markers for the broader inquiry and there is a lot of possible charges they could be subject to criminal charges under what's become the kind of go-to crime, i think besides seditious conspiracy, and that is impeding an official proceeding under 1512. so they are looking at potential criminal referrals. >> katie and hayry, thank you both. i learned a lot. >>> ahead, as the january 6th investigation moves through, donald trump's inner circle, what about the man at the center of it all. george conway after this. he manr of it all. of it all. george wconway after this. i felt all people saw were my uncontrolled movements. some mental health meds can cause tardive dyskinesia, or td, and itikely to improve without treatment. ingrezza is a prescription medicine to treat adults with td movements in the face and body. it

jones, the conspiracy theorist, and people who bought into the qanon conspiracy theory. that cohort of folks was viewed by people close to trump as a real problem. view it as a cohort that needed to be kept away there him. obviously varying degrees of success on that front. >> chuck, when you look at the list that we just showed a second ago of the various topics that the select committee would like to talk with ivanka trump about, what does it tell you about the direction of the committee's investigation right now? >> right, well, one of the interesting things, and betsy alluded to it, is the level of detail in the letter and the number of requests, specific requests by the committee. whatever building metaphor you use from the bottom up, from the outside in, the committee is getting closer and closer to people who were close to president trump. so you know, ivanka trump is a logical witness. there's nothing special about her. she was working for the executive branch of the united states. she was there when bad stuff happened. you know, if the four of us were a bank whe

people i trust are info wars and alex jones, for sure. they are worse than stalinist russia or even germany. host: donald in raleigh north carolina. independent. caller: good morning. i want to say that in reference to what the guy said about greece being the oldest democracy in the world. greece coined that term because of its great orate or pericles, but women and slaves in greece not vote. that is not debatable. greece is not the oldest democracy in the world. i want to say, i was there when joe biden one, so i could get back to my regular routine during the day. sometimes, watching gunsmoke and any griffith, but what he took office, i awaken to the thought, what craziness will he reveal to us today? my final thought is this. the stench of the current events of january will continue to rise up in the nostrils of americans and people all over the world for the next 10,000 years. we will never live it down, and i am ashamed. when if you ever heard of a president getting up and saying that people rub feces on the walls of the u.s. capitol

maybe alex jones is wrong about sandy hook or whatever. i was going to say you can't have it both ways but spotify is allowing him to have it both ways. he's an entertainer and he never said he is anything else but an entertainer. he should be free to say what he wants to say. it is spotify here that really -- they've got to do better. just saying we're going to mark all covid statements. so what you are doing is you are telling a 19-year-old listener who is listen to scott gottlieb on joe rogan's show they have something to be concerned about, that maybe gottlieb is lying to them like the other crackpot doctor he had on was lying to them. it is not good enough, spotify. it is not good enough. joe rogan is an entertainer. i get it. he has always been an entertainer. i get that. but if spotify, you know, wants him to be their ceo, which is what he is in effect, you know, they've got to say, hey, you got to live by our code or you got to go somewhere else. right now their code is might makes right. if it makes money, we don't give a -- about

hello and welcome to thursday's one show, live on bbc one and iplayer, with alex jones. and harryjudd. harry, lovely to see you. how have you been? lucky the prime minister himself said yesterday that, with hindsight, he regrets going out into the garden and thanking the staff rather than telling them to come back into the office. i think he was right to do that, recognising as he said, and it is something i've seen as well, is that notjust is something i've seen as well, is that not just the frustration, anger and upset is whether people have had around their view that there has been one thing being sent to people about what we should all do, as we were doing at the time, and what they perceive happening at number ten. it is also why it is right that we have got this investigation being taken forward. and once you've got the details of that, we will come back to parliament. obviously we will be publishing the findings of that report, it will be taking questions from parliamentarians and being very buckingham palace has announced that prince andrew is returning his royal

. >> roger delivers legitimacy to alex jones and jones delivers to trump a disaffected voter. >> donald trump is our guest. >> i will not let you down. >> now those ideas, which used to be on the fringe are in the mainstream. >> conspiratorial thinking is a feature of this president. >> frontline is made possible by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. and by the corporation for public broadcasting. additional support is provided by the abrams foundation, committed to excellence in journalism... the john d. and catherine t. macarthur foundation, committed to building a more just, verdant and peaceful world. more at macfound.org. park foundation, dedicated to heightening public awareness of critical issues. and by the frontline journalism fund, with major support from jon and jo ann hagler. support for “american insurrection” is provided by the wnet group's “exploring hate” initiative, with prinicipal support by the following: and additional major funding from: with additional support from: captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >>

and really the evidence starts back in november after the election when rhodes goes on alex jones' "info wars" and essentially says the same thing. what we're seeing in this indictment is actual words or texts from rhodes himself both identifying the need for a, quote, unquote, civil war, telling people to get their mind and spirit and bodies ready, that the time is now. he specifically talks about mustering weapons outside of the capitol, outside of washington, d.c. in order to bring them to the capitol. and he's very explicit in these texts about planning for the possibility of violence, including the fact that we have videotape of oathkeepers moving in military gear. and, remember, many of them are current or former members of the military or law enforcement, and in military formation, it's also in the indictment but we've got the video so we can see it with our own eyes, they are moving in military-style formation into the capitol, and statements in all of the organizing leading up to it about preventing the electoral vote count. that is seditious conspiracy, and the acts to take tha

then, this was 2020, when he interviewed conspiracy theorist and far right radio host alex jones. there was backlash against that too, and more recently, backlash against an interview with dr robert malone — he's an infectious disease specialist — who opposes the covid—19 vaccines for children. and on other controversies, here's music correspondent, mark savage. rogan has said he's not anti—vaccination, but he has questioned young people against getting it. he's hosting guest who falsely claim, also the anti—parasite as a potential cure. he's allowed guest to claim world leaders have hypnotised people into getting vaccines and. earlier this month, a group of 270 doctors and scientists wrote an open letter to spotify citing his... (then this week, neil young weighed in. then on wednesday, he called spotify "the home of life—threatening covid misinformation". his music started coming off the platform that day. j clara chan is from the hollywood reporter. he is an obviously prominent figure. he's lreen— he is an obviously prominent figure. he's been outspoken about this

jones's connection and second, it suggested that some of the people who spoke at the rally got paid to do so or might have gotten paid, a really interesting new detail. >> mike, you both sort of have this body of reporting that sits at the potential for the doj investigation to at some point maybe intersect with the committee and i want to ask you about a bit of reporting in this pence story that caught our attention, mike. you guys write this. in plea negotiations, federal prosecutors recently began asking defense lawyers for some of those charged in january 6th cases whether their clients would admit in sworn statements that they stormed the capitol, believing that trump wanted them to stop pence from certifying the election. in theory, such statements could help connect the violence at the capitol directly to trump's demands that pence help stave off his defeat. what does that sort of line of reporting lead to, or what does that point to, or what more questions do you have about that, mike? >> so, given the fact that the justice department has said so little in terms of, you know

and you may be the president or kind of a public figure, alex jones the pseudoperformer that he is, but you have no right to show up on social media if you are going the slander people. that suspect protected speech. and i applaud those networks who -- you choose not to have white supremacists on your air time, choosing not to display that madness is actually i think part of our shared civic duty. and we need to do more of it not allow bad guys to weaponize the first amendment and hide behind it. >> do you feel, though, like civic duty doesn't mean the same thing to the country at large anymore? you have 40% of americans who think civic duty is marching on the capitol quote hang mike pence. >> yeah, it is a scary moment in history when indeed you have ordinary americans who want to lynch the vice president, who broke into the capitol with the intent to capture and kill elected members of congress, let alone the vice president. and by the way, a year later the "washington post" poll earlier this week, more than 30% of americans think violence is okay against the government. i mean, this

he talked about ivermectin he talks with controversial figures like alex jones. so even though joe rogan hasn't splis italy violated any of spotify's rules, he has made doctors and the science community a little bit uncomfortable. >> dan, let's talk about the impact on the company and potentially the future of it being a target for regulation. is spotify a broadcaster like nbcuniversal which owns cnbc, of course, or is spotify a platform that looks more like a facebook or twitter that is now putting, quote, unquote badges on different pieces of information around covid, warning users or saying click here to find out more because the responsibilities are very different. >> no doubt. spotify never thought they would be in this storm on one side you have this audio piece, streaming piece, which has been the major part of their success. the worlds are colliding here for spotify. they find themselves at the center of this that's why the section 230 and some issues we've seen with facebook, stwit e don't necessary wli apply here but the beltway now, i mean, this is rea

. >> sorry, alex jones is talking about anti-vaxers. >> we are allowed to laugh at that? >> too much. >> come on. anti-vax barbie. >> they walk right up to the line and they just step -- >> ken. >> good morning, welcome to "morning joe," hi willie. >> what happened? >> he teased me on facebook, do my ken thing. >> how are you holding up this morning? >> he's not good. what am i supposed to do? the yankees won and they lose one. >> we are talking about the national championship game last night. georgia finally beat alabama. head coach has been resistant and saban won 27 titles. the end of the third quarter and fourth quarter was all the action. >> really was. alabama. another reason why you could not be too upset if you are an alabama fan. they're not supposed to be there. this was at the end of the game. one of these moments people wake up and look at scores and it looks like it's much a bigger game and bigger blow-out than the game's show. defense of battle in the first half. second half, alabama was up. 18 -- alabama was up. are you going to show all the bad highlights?

jones-type conspiracies or bad information on ivermectin. you know, he has a huge following and spotify seems willing to allow him to put out dangerous information because they're getting even wealthier. >> yeah, i think that's the big challenge. i think the science questions here are much clearer than the free speech to be. the doctor just told us 1,000-plus preventable deaths. we have been through this enough, we're journalists to deal with facts. if the scientists and doctors are telling you something that matters, joe, you don't need to have a heart of gold to think about 1,000 to 2,000 people a day dying, let's get the facts out there because we all care about that. when it turns to the financial interests being documented, and it may be driving it, but spotify is going through the growing pains that facebook and other entities have gone through, where they say they have values but then they say they want to make money but can do it within their values and then they say, well, we're just a platform. then you run into the tests, do you s

alex bryant made headlines. scored eight touchdowns in a game one day after his mom died of breast cancer in a facetime call with him last week jones surprised brown with three tickets for the super bowl for him, his dad, and his brother. >>> scam targeting older americans have been on the rise thieves have been preying on them one grandmother turned the tables on the alleged criminal matt bradley has the details >> reporter: this is the moment when a scam artist met his match. police in nassau county, new york, tackling a fraudster twho tried to cheat a grandmother out of thousands >> i knew it was a scam. i've hung up on these guys a million times. >> reporter: the fraudster phoned jean demanding she pay $8,000 to bail out one of her grandsons claiming he had just been in a drunken car crash. the former 911 dispatcher called police and set up a sting operation. when the suspected man showed up to get the cash, she handed him an envelope with paper towels. even the cops had to tip their hats. >> it was dramatic

>> first, alex, thank you for having me. first of all, this is governor desantis' continuation of his stop the woke act he has been traveling the state and the country to say that the state of florida will lead in banning critical race theory. this is republicans' red meat, issue of this year and last to deal with an issue that is actually a non-issue. governor desantis, when he should deal with issues important to floridians right now chose to neglect that and deal with a crisis that's not even real. >> okay. the republican governor, desantis, announced this proposed legislation last month. let's take a listen to what he said. here it is. >> i think what you see now with the rise of this woke ideology is an attempt to really delegitimize our history and delegitimize our institutions and i view the wokeness as a farm of cultural marxism. no taxpayer dollars should are used to teach our kids to hate our country or to hate each other. [ applause ] >> so he's calling critical race theory state sanctioned racism. how do you see

we were up a few minutes ago on wall street, but in alex ike we are down about 45 points. the s&p 500 was up nearly and the nasdaq gained more than 21%. it was a 19% jump for the dow jones. we will see how this pans out for the rest of the day. kumasi: even though she died just weeks before her milestone 100th birthday, a film about betty white is to going to be released. she died on new year's eve the film will play in nearl play inn movie theaters nationwide only on her birthday, january 17. the produces of the movie say they hope it will give fans a way to celebrate her life and experience what made her such a national treasure. the movie will be shown at several locations in the bay area. his go to fathom events. it will give you the closest to you. reggie: 128-year-old start his journey tonight and will meet the 31 woman who hope to win his heart. he is no stranger to nation. he was on "the bachelorette." we knew he was going to be the bachelor before the show even really started, which is kind of strange. drew: and we watched the first episode and the final two, when