the arctic council, the osce. what is the ban? mr. price: we are going to pursue what is in our national security interest. some of the things you listed are fundamental to our national security interest. just because russia has taken this action doesn't mean we should stop caring about our own security, the well-being, the welfare, the safety, the security of the american people. you have seen for yourself at least what purports to be a list of areas where we needed to engage, we might need to engage it to pursue those core national security interests. i will leave it to your well-informed imagination but might not meet that criteria. reporter: could you point to something specific that is no longer able to be talked about with russians bilaterally because of this? it seems like almost everything one can imagine, except for, i don't know, licensing for our work to be loaned, is included. mr. price: the unprovoked russian invasion of ukraine, the condor has changed our bilateral relationship. reporter: arms talks, are they off the tab

. >> and the osce, the monitoring system, it doesn't usually attribute blame as a matter of policy, but is there any thought that the interference is coming from russia? >> i don't think there's any doubt this is russia. there's nobody else that would benefit, as you say. the bigger picture is we know what's going on, or as what the u.s. has declassified and made public is very clear, we have eyes on what the russians are doing and we listen to what the russians are doing and we know they are lying when they said in the last couple of days they were pulling back, and there could be as many as 190,000 troops here. he has what it takes to invade. he has paused and thought about it because of the reaction from the international community but he seems to be hell-bent on moving forward, and the question is can we stick together with the tough sanctions? the u.s. and the europeans will suffer if we put these sanctions in, and it's not going to be easy, but it's worth the cost to make sure russia does not destabilize the rest of the world. it's not just ukraine, it's all of western europe and

. >> to that point you tweeted about the need for more osce observers in the donbas, especially given the separatists could well increase shelling on ukrainian positions to provoke a response to use to go forward. how important is that observer sfloel. >> reporter: so it's really critical. we know that the observers cannot stop the work but at this dire moment when there is the could be stant attempt to either provoke ukraine because, as i said, the shelling is stronger than it was in the last years, it's very hard to verify, even for the good media, for the independent media, western media who is shelling. it's also possible that we all the time following the kind of local pro separatist news so they always show some kind of possible terrorist attacks. some point of history, that's now. >> certainly an important role. i did want to ask you this. you know, as a ukrainian, do you think that donbas is or could be lost to ukraine now, even if there is some magical resolution? how difficult would it be to reincorporate that area back into ukraine proper? not that that's likely to happen a

warning about for so long, including this various reports of shelling going back and forth and now the osce ambassador, michael carpenter, saying it could be as many as 190,000 russian and russian-backed troops. we should point out, though, that figure that he mentioned including russian-backed separatists in eastern ukraine, some of whom have been there since 2014. it's not an apples-to-apples comparison but it goes to show you the increasing level of concern the u.s. has about what russia could pull off in short order in eastern ukraine. >> josh letterman for us, thank you. i'm going to let you get back to your reporting. we appreciate it for now. congressman, let's talk through some of this. i know you're in munich for that security conference. i just saw andrea mitchell walking behind you. the president spoke a couple of hours ago. i want to play that for you before we get started. >> we remain desirous of diplomacy as it relates to the dialogue and discussions we have had with russia, but we are also committed if russia takes aggressive action to ensuring there will be severe consequen

the foreign minister lavrov has sent a message to 57 countries in osce asking for information or ideas about a very nebulous concept called the in divisibility of security. that step is clearly going to take months for any kind of response. they're looking to delay, to change the subject from an invasion to a more negotiated outcome. >> so -- then wh is the off-ramp and how does it actually play out? if he has all of these traps amassed on three sides of ukraine, do they just turn around and go home? and he says never mind. it's hard to see it playing out like that. >> brianna, he can do this. he can convince the russian people that, first, never intended to invade ukraine. second, he can say to the russian people, look, i have been demanding from the west, from the united states that they take our security interests into account, take us seriously. and he can say now they have done that. not only are they taking it seriously, they are sitting down with us in ways that i have been demanding for years. now they are ready to sit down with us and have these conversations. so i'm going to

my osc monitoring source indicated to me that all the children are safe but one was injured. charles: if indeed, i mean, your experience as a general, as someone who understands military history and conquest, would russia really want to invade the entire country or could they, sounds like to me when i hear communiques from them including some this morning there is a part of ukraine they want perhaps for strategic reasons but it wouldn't be a full-fledged invasion of the country? >> well see, right now we're in a position where russia is examining the west's weakness and they're evaluating how far they can go. they have already secured victories with destablizing the economy and country, with cyber attacks and warfare. they have harassed them on the border. they have taken some of their land mass. they may not invade any part of ukraine to control ukraine if the zelensky government false. charles: with the biden administration drawing the line cyberattacks that would not trigger sanctions have they made a mistake here? >> i think they made a real mistake. the russians only und

guest: the osce has engaged in peacekeeping operations and monitoring situations in the donbass, but there was not an incident such as one that -- as what has occurred over the last 24 hours that demanded a un presence in ukraine. i think that's why the u.n. has discussed ukraine, but has not engaged in putting troops on the ground. host: i know it's a busy day, and we appreciate you joining us for the beginning of it. thank you for joining us. the wilson center's acting director there. we will talk to you down the line. guest: thank you. >> good morning. just a few observations on where we are today. russia has begun an unprovoked, unjustified, and brutal campaign against ukraine with a full on invasion. the civilians are being killed. ukraine is mobilizing its opposition to the russian invasion. and we must provide ukraine with support to defend itself. we are also going to need to dramatically escalate the sanctions that we place on russia for this act of naked aggression by the kremlin dictator. we need to sanction the largest banks in russia. we have to cut off russia from the i

the same is true for the osce. we need to discuss about security in europe. this is also a progress as tiresome as it may be and we have netanyahu yet reached any very substantial conclusions yet but it's good to see there's a role now. same is true between the talks between ukraine, france and germany. we have this format, but we haven't been able to use it in a protective way the last few years. so now we have come back to that format. we're having tough discussions in that format and that shows there's ways that will lead us out of this difficult situation, this duel track approach of clear announcements with regard to sanctions that will be taken if there's a military aggression and at the same time keeping all dialogue format open. this is the most promising strategy one could have. that's what we're doing together and we stand side by side in this approach. we talked about many other topics that are important for us today especially when it comes to the g-7 presidency of the federal republic of germany. we will work closely as strong economies, strong d

the osce sought to do just that. the russia nato council sought to do just that. at every turn the russian federation rejected those constructive engagements. now that the invasion -- we are in the midst of an invasion, we heard this from president zelensky, you would be right to color us skeptical of what it is that moscow intends. what we've said before, including last week, applies equally today. diplomacy at the barrel of a gun, diplomacy at the turret of a tank, that is not real diplomacy. we are ready and willing just as our ukrainian partners are, just as our european allies are, to engage in real, in substantive, in genuine diplomacy in order to see if we can find a way out of what is a needless, brutal conflict. but that diplomacy is highly unlikely to bear fruit to prove effective in the midst of not only confrontation but escalation. well before the invasion started, we made the point that we were all for diplomacy. but in order for it to bear fruit it needed to take place in the context of de-escalation. that's in some ways more true now. we're support

>>and then the osce mean, i want to most cases don't include the high-flying lifestyle depicted in the tinder swindler. >>the fbi says online romance scams are all too real. when you're looking love and you're looking to make that you are a little bit more vulnerable if in fact it is the second highest value cyber crime. >>the fbi estimates there were 24,000 victims in 2021. scammed out of nearly a billion dollars. >>there's no stereotypical victim. you can be educated young, the old, not educated. really. the scammers are very savvy and very manipulative and they can get what they want from anybody. it often involves catfishing assuming a fictitious online persona in order to lure someone into a relationship. >>a scammer find someone who has posted about a recent divorce or loss and starting with small gifts, flowers are just sympathy. they begin building a relationship a lot of times with the scammers. they might not asking for anything up front. they might just see what they are looking for that connection. but later, it turns out they want something in return and then the of the ni

without them without the mechanisms they are activating their osce from the agreement, through the normandy format eu without them nothing happens. that is the sad part for the united states played well it plays catch-up the europeans are figuring this out for themselves what. >> you think their sanctions at the president is enough? some estimates say putin has scored a way like $630 billion he is survived the sanctions since 2014 from crimea as a historical figure trying to reestablish the soviet unit by grabbing ukraine and being off to other nations. >> yes we have talked about this before. i want some examples were determined great powers have stopped their behavior because of the threat of sanctions. that is why ukrainian officials are going to use a punishing sanctions do them now. even if we do them now they bring up a really good point, eric. it is so critical for the united states to be credible when russia has the kind of putin ambitions of a greater russian empire event type sanctions and russia. though they would be damaging it may not be enough. before you think will see someth

when the nato russia council meeting was held, when the osce had its meeting, when proposals were put in front of putin to consider his security concerns. what we would not do was to decide for ukraine what its choices were. what we would not do is turn the clock back to 1997 and tell current nato states they had to leave. what we would not do would be to make unilateral decisions that we would have no offensive weapons, nato would have no offensive weapons in europe. nato is only a defensive alliance, as you well know. so president putin has shut the door to diplomacy. we hope he deescalates and creates the space and the platform and the atmosphere for serious diplomacy. right now it looks like he's not looking for that and that's a grave mistake on his part. >> the former director of national intelligence, james clapper, told me this week he fears russia won't stop at ukraine. do you share those fears? >> i certainly know that the front line states, the eastern flank, former states of the old soviet union have those fears. we want to provide them reassurance. we want to provide them

they have written over the weekend to nato and the osc asking for clarity on a previously raised security question issue affecting russia and ukraine, but at the moment we just do not have that full response from president putin. >> all right. nick, thank you so much. laura? >>> british prime minister boris johnson heads to kyiv for a talk with vladimir zelensky. >> reporter: he's leaving behind a fair amount of noise in london and that will be a welcome relief for the british prime minister. for the ukrainians, this is all about the solidarity president zelensky is seeking from nato allies. we'll have boris johnson today, but the french and german foreign ministers next week. it is about the concrete aid that those nato allies can bring. boris johnson promising as he leaves london 88 million pounds to ukraine in order to help bolster its economy and lessen its energy dependence on russia. this is in addition to the $1.3 billion pledged by the european union to help ukraine withstand what's been going on these past few weeks. president zelensky has put a figure on that, what the uncertain

russia is part of the osce in vienna, one of 57 nations there. just yesterday we had an exchange at the u.n. security council. so this is taking place in different formats. one thing that is clear, however, is that the united states has been very explicit and consistent that we will not talk about nato, we will not talk about ukraine in a bilateral channel without those parties being involved. so we won't talk about someone without that party at the table. so that complicates the geometry of the diplomacy. >> on my show on sunday, dick durbin brought up the idea that ukraine on its own could decide that you know what, we're not going to even think about joining nato for a decade or something to that effect. whether this was just him, and, you know, obviously we've heard president biden say, well, ukraine's not ready, you know, we've heard others from nato say they haven't met the conditions. how would one orchestrate something like that? is that the exit ramp? is that a real -- it seems to me everybody is looking to offer putin an exit ramp here.

osc personnel have withdrawn from their monitoring and eastern ukraine as well. first it was the breakdown in negotiations between the two sides negotiated for nine hours they cannot issue a joint statement about what they had discussed. secondly we have got this massive buildup from the russians that we have highlighted and repeatedly highlighted that gives and the capability to launch an aggressive attack on many different fronts. and then a third factor is the one national security adviser jake sullivan reference during his press conference on friday when he emphasized there has been collection of intelligence from the kremlin reporting from communications from the kremlin to the russian military about an invasion. boudin is not decided to issued the order to go. he is talking about and that is really what is heightened the level of concern i think in the u.s. government. arthel: so president biden ukrainian president zelensky had a call this morning. we do not have a read out yet. also you've got the people of ukraine they seemed be putting up a faÇade of st

for me, the disturbing thing is also the osc's special mission, which monitor the situation on the ground in the donbass is also pulling out its stuff. but when we expect any possible, let's say, operation, or, you know, provocation, there should be some people on the ground. that makes me really worried that this signs, you know, the security and the safety of the foreign citizens, that makes ukraines very worried, they understand it's very serious. but some things probably also makes ukrainians worried that it's also a huge hit to the economy. because we believe it's not about tomorrow, it's about like, being in this mood the next months. >> and we can't stop shining a light on ukraine. natalia, thank you so much for being with me. i appreciate your time. >>> and by the way, we're being told that president biden is, as we speak, in a conversation, phone conversation with french president macron to deal with specifically the crisis in ukraine. also, foreign russian minister lavrov is having a conversation with secretary of state tony blinken as we speak. >>> time now to look at more head

administration interestingly, there is an organization called the osce, the number of attacks, it has seen in the last 24 hours, a fivefold increase in the number of shellings, the number of breaches of the cease-fire that's supposed to be in place on this eastern part of ukraine over the last 24 hours. this as more efforts are under way to try and restore some sense of a diplomatic solution. this morning, renewed tensions in ukraine amid new unsubstantiated claims by russian-backed rebels they've been attacked by ukrainian paratroopers. the u.s. fears these claims could be used to justify a russian invasion, protecting the russian-speaking population in the east of the country as president biden is set to meet with the national security council later today to discuss the deteriorating situation. vice president harris speaking in germany this morning. >> we are talking about the real possibility of war in europe. it is in the best interests of all that there is a diplomatic end to this moment. >> reporter: the u.s. now believes putin has made a decision to attack and that it can come

the osce has been monitoring this with what's going on in the donbas region. >> it seems the only purpose is to fulfill vladimir putin's imperialist i can ambitions of rebuilding the former soviet union. michael, at the center of this crisis is a former comedian, the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelensky. he's a political novice. and you wrote in a recent op-ed for cnn that, quote, if there ever was a time for him to resist stunts and summon up a statesmanlike style of leadership this is it. zelensky gave a powerful speech yesterday in munich before world leaders. how would you rate his performance during this crisis, his leadership? >> sure. well, he certainly has stepped up to the plate, i would say in recent days a lot of ukrainians were telling me -- i just came from kyiv -- is that they were worried about the lack of guidance coming from the presidential administration, but i would like to highlight something president zelensky said that i'm also now leaning into, is that he said that now is the time for at least some of those biting sanctions. so the british minister said the othe

discussion at least of diplomacy because we noted this morning that russia's representative to the osce and organization for security here in europe, again, said ukrainian membership in nato is of the table. we know that is a nonstarter for the u.s. and its nato allies. if that is still the public commentary from senior russian officials, where is the actual space for negotiation here? >> i just don't see the space for negotiation at this point. everything that the russians are asking for, i don't think they're going to get. and, in fact, the -- if you're looking at this from moscow's perspective, the ukrainians have gotten more weapons, they have gotten some stingers, they have gotten end laws, they have gotten other surface to air and anti-tank missiles including javelins, so the ukrainians are increasingly better prepared to fight them. i think from a russian perspective, the situation is much worse for a fight today than it was even two weeks ago. >> brigadier general, would you agree with that? do you think we are closer to potential reinvasion by russian forces today than we were

., the united nations, the osce. they really hit a dead end with each one of these and none of it is really moving the ball towards anything that would look like a de-escalation. you mentioned that moment today with lavrov which would certainly fill choreograph and intended to signal something. exactly wet, it's hard to know, but essentially the president of russia allowed state media to come in and fill in this moment where this top diplomat and the foreign minister lavrov said mr. putin you never want to wait forever and we leave the door open forever but it seems like there might be some reason to continue to stay as diplomatic negotiating table with americans for now. as you point out was read as a type of signal, because anything that goes out on state media in russia it's something that is essentially kremlin sanctioned, other than they were trying to show their taking for now the diplomatic path, but we've been told all along by the u.s. don't always take with the russians are saying in the situation at face v

and we're proposing meetings of nato russia counseling and osce permanent counsel. these meetings can pave the way for a summit of key leaders in the context of deescalation to reach understandings of our mutual security concerns as lead diplomats for our nations, we have a responsibility to make every effort for diplomacy to succeed, to leave no diplomatic stone unturned. if russia is committed to diplomacy, we're presenting every opportunity for it to demonstrate that commitment. i have no doubt that the response to my remarks here today will be more dismissals about the united states stoking hysteria or that it has no plans to invade ukraine, so let me make this simple. the russian government can announce today with no qualification, equivocation or deflection that russia will not invade ukraine. state it clearly, state it plainly to the world and then demonstrate it by sending your troops, your tanks, your planes back to their barracks and hangars and sending your diplomats to the netting table. negotiating table. in the coming days the world will remember that

you said, to launch these ambitious negotiations, osce leaders, biden and putin included, could meet in helsinki this year. the countries couldn't station special envoy is there, dedicated to hatching a new agreement. it would be complemented by negotiations at the eoc easy headquarters in vienna, the nato russia council in brussels, and in bilateral u.s. russian channels. diplomats could aim to complete their final product by 2025, the 50th anniversary of the helsinki final act. this seems like a really reasonable approach to people who have been longtime combatants looking for a solution. maybe something like that could work with the israel in the palestinians. does this meet the goals that putin has right now? is he not enjoying the fact that we are all talking about this, and not sure about when he's going to do? >> yes and no. yes, he's enjoying all the attention, right? he's enjoying all these phone calls, all the visitors. and he's really enjoying the fact that this frame that he put on this crisis about nato expansion, is what a lot of us are spending our time arguing about.

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ambassador to the osce says there's nearly 190,000 russian troops along the border. president biden said an invasion could happen in the coming days which raises questions about the wisdom of ukraine's president going to munich. the destabilization campaign has begun. some cell phone service has been interrupt. this speech is part of the disinformation we're told. the separatist leader said he was ordering the evacuation of russian families as the ukrainians were ready to attack russians, an execution for the russian military to move in. the pentagon announced they're sending 150 troops to train with hungary. >> its ironic that what mr. putin did not want to see happen is a stronger nato on his flight. that's exactly what he will see going forward. >> president putin will observe nuclear capable cruise missile tests tomorrow in the black sea. the exercises were moved up from the fall and designed to remind nato that russia is a nuclear power. we'll hear from the president soon. we'll hear soon that president putin has given orders for the russian reserves to be calle

course, we have controversial debate there but it is important that we talk and the same is true for the osce. we need to discuss about security in europe. this is also a progress, as tiresome as it may be, we have not yet reached any very substantial conclusions yet but it is good to see this format plays a role now. the same is true between the talks between ukraine, russia, france and germany, normandy format. we have this format but we have not been able to really use it in a protective way in the last few years so now we have come back to that format. we're having tough discussions in that format and that shows there are ways that will lead us out of this difficult situation, and this dual track approach of clear announcements with regard to sanctions that will be taken if there is a military aggression, and at the same time keeping all dialogue open. i think this is the most promising strategy one can have and that is what we're doing together, to stand side by side in this approach. we also talked for other topics that are important for us today, especially when it comes to the g7 pres

complications here is that you know, in all of these diplomatic discussions with the united states, nato, osce. it's been remax malist. revamping the cold war. the distribution of forces. everything that came after the end of the cold war. nato is saying, you're not going to get it. so how do you climb down from that? that's the issue right now. can the united states, can nato, really, the united states, find any way to have a discussion, maybe even as some former diplomats have been mentioning to me, maybe even something off the grid. something private. something not public, be some type of discussion with russia that might be able to come up with something face saving that would give president putin the reason to say, we won something. we got something from the west. but we don't know that. and so far it doesn't appear that that is happening. so i think that's the dilemma that they've asked for a lot. and they're saying, unless we have the entire package deal, they actually used the word package. we're not going to have an agreement. >> yeah. knowing they won't capitulate without getting som

the osce, organization for security and cooperation in europe, recalling a more than fivefold increase in cease-fire violations over the last day compared to the average day in 2021. meanwhile, we're seeing the rebels mobilizing fighting-aged men, and they're evacuated women, children and elderly in advance of what they say is going to be this all-out ukrainian assault. of course, they've provided no evidence, but this is about placating and playing to domestic opinion, not just in rebel held east but also in moscow. putin falsely claiming russian speakers in the east are facing genocide, but this is really about trying to soften public opinion. as you say, american officials adamant this is definitely coming. martha? >> and ian, with tensions already this high, vladimir putin personally oversaw these massive drills of russia's nuclear forces yesterday reminding the world of his country's nuclear might. >> reporter: yes. that's right. perhaps also seen as a warning of the kind of threats that could be brought to bear if anyone tries to interfere in what he sees as a threat. and fear of

document and the idea behind this, this is sort of a group agreement of several countries within the osce, the organization for security cooperation in europe and without getting into too granular boring detail about security arrangement the idea is to ensure transparency amongst european countries to do exactly what we're looking at right now. overt a war. so, this is a standard procedure in this document that goes back from the 1990s saying that, you know, they can demand to see, demand a meeting, demand some transpairacy and military exercises are two of them. one in belarus north of where i am about 30,000 troops and the other one is south of where i am in the black sea. that is a sprawling naval exercise that the ukrainians have said is important, crucial port towns that are necessary to feed ukrainians. so, from here on out, you know, i'm sure this was brought up in that phone call with joe biden and president zelensky and i'm also sure that president zelensky wanted to know some information about why the americans have this intelligence that there is an imminent invasion that is go

the osce must be granted unrestrained access to verify and identify any violation of the ceasefire. the parties must allow the rapid, safe, and unhindered access of humanitarian assistance to those in need. the protection of civilians, including persons in vulnerable situations, must be respected unconditionally. we redouble our calls for the parties to work constructively in all relevant instances such as the trilateral group. negotiations must be mindful of the principles of the u.n. charter including sovereignty, independence, unity, and territorial integrity of its member states. negotiations must on the one hand take into account the security concerns of all parts of the conflict, and on the other hand create adequate conditions for an inclusive political dialogue which must reflect the diversity of and include representation from all peoples of the region. we do not underestimate the complexity of the situation, but we insist on dialogue as key to achieving a lasting settlement to this conflict. too much is at stake here. above all, the lives of many civilians. we owe them all

the eu, is working on those responses and they are regularly having discussions. 0n the issue of the osce, i'd discussions. 0n the issue of the osce, i�*d know that one individual 0sce, i�*d know that one individual has been in touch and he is a uk citizen and there were certain advices to citizens of our country and if you find yourself in any organisation that is our advice but other members have left might not all of them, but i will get him the full details as well. when it comes to the bigger question of issues like aid, ukrainian resistance and further support, like aid, ukrainian resistance and furthersupport, he like aid, ukrainian resistance and further support, he will know it is best pursued in a bilateral basis between countries and groupings of countries such as through lethal aid and there has been much made of the fact that countries like germany and france have not done lethal aid to ukraine but i simply reflect that the strength of an alliance of 30 is that we can all play to our strengths and that is important, that we recognise not every country is going to have the

in recent weeks, the uk has withdrawn its team from the osce special monitoring mission because staff safety is key, but can the prime minister look again to support international efforts like this to get to the facts and counter russian disinformation? p.m. johnson: i thank the monitoring mission teams. they are wonderful. i have met them and they do a fantastic job. i am sorry that they have had to be withdrawn, for the duty of care reasons that he rightly alludes to. we will keep that under constant review. >> the 1994 budapest memorandum saw ukraine give up its nuclear weapons in return for a security guarantee signed by not only britain and the united states, but by russia. does my right hon. friend believe that ukraine would have been invaded had it retained its nuclear weapons? what does that say about the value of a russian signature on any international agreement? p.m. johnson: it is clear that president putin sets no store by international law whatever and that is just one of the legal obligations that he has torn up. >> we awoke this morning to images of innocent families c

has withdrawn from the osce special monitoring commission. can the prime minister look again to support international efforts like this to counter russian disinformation? prime minister johnson: i think the teams. they are wonderful. they do a fantastic job. sorry they had to be withdrawn for the reasons he alludes to. we will keep it under constant review. >> the 1994 budapest memorandum saw ukraine give up nuclear weapons in return for a security guarantee not only signed by britain and the u.s., but by russia. does my friend agree russia would have invaded if ukraine had retained these weapons? at what does it say about a russian signature on any international agreement? prime minister johnson: president putin sets no store by his -- by international law. that is one of the legal agreements he has torn up. >> we know the putin regime has a propensity for [indiscernible] particularly when it comes to minorities. can the prime minister ensure humanitarian aid is delivered with not just partners, but humanitarian organizations? prime minister

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engaged with the russians, both in multilateral context, that is to say, through nato and through the osce, the organization for security and cooperation in europe, but also bilaterally, and we have seen that our allies in europe and partners around the world have welcomed our bilateral engagement with russia for one simple reason. we have done so in full transparency and full consultation and full coordination with our partners and allies. so, we certainly welcome and appreciate any similar diplomatic efforts that are done in that vein. when it comes to the french, as you know, president biden had an opportunity to speak to president macron yesterday. he did so again just a few days before. secretary blinken spoke to his french counterpart yesterday as well. we have been in constant and regular touch with our french allies. we have a good understanding of what it is that president macron is seeking to do. we support any diplomatic efforts that have the potential to de-escalate. remember, our preference in all of this is not to see russia go down the path of conflict and a potentially deva

rights as an independent country, russia doesn't attack and a new framework with verification from the osc and other mechanisms like that to confirm that russia has pulled forces that that confirms russia has pulled its forces out and it works, we'll look at a day when they can. nato has 30 countries and one of them or more would sveto the membership we need to get russia out of donbas if it pulls, there should not be a need for ukraine to join nato. i think with that combination of public and private assurances, to avoid missile crises like kissinger did, that's what we need and i don't see any evidence of that. >> thanks for trying to make sense of it. the roiling markets, we could all use that understanding andrew >>> the company's big splash right here at the super bowl with an ad featuring larry david. we're back after this. (tennis grunts) pnc bank believes that if a pair of goggles can help your backhand get better yeah! then your bank should help you budget even better. virtual wallet® is so much more than a checking account. its low cash mode℠ feature gives you at least 24 hour

guest: the osce has engaged in peacekeeping operations and monitoring situations in the donbass, but there was not an incident such as one that occurred over the last 24 hours that demanded a human presence in ukraine. i think that's why the u.n. has discussed ukraine, but has not engaged in putting troops on the ground. host: i know it's a busy day and we appreciate you joining us for the beginning of it. thank you for joining us. the wilson center's acting director there. we will talk to you down the line. a half-hour left in our program. after the break, we will return to your phone calls, your reaction to the russian invasion of ukraine. phone numbers are on your screen for democrats, republicans, and independence. start calling in. we will get to your calls after the break. ♪ >> follow president biden's historic pick for the next supreme court justice. the announcement all the way through the confirmation process, on c-span, c-span.org, or downloading the free c-span now out. >> american history tv, saturdays on c-span two, telling the american story. on the presidency, peggy

and the same is true for the osce. while we need to discuss about security in europe, this is also a progress as tiresome as it may be, and we have not yet reached a conclusion yet. but it's good to see the format plays a good role. and the same thing with the normandy format. we have this format, but we have not been able to really use it in a protective way over the last few years. so now we have come back to that format. we are having tough discussions in that format. and that shows that there are ways that will lead us out of this difficult situation. and this duo track approach of clear announcements with regard to sanctions that will taken if there is a military aggression. and at the same time keeping all dialogue formats open. i think this is the most promising strategy one can have and that is what we're doing together and we'll stand side by side on this approach. we also talked about many other topics that are important for us today, especially when it comes to the g-7 presidency of the federal republic of g