to mississippi. >> reporter: her husband's overseas and their family moved to mississippi for a new assignment with the army. >> reporter: cat who did you know when you moved here? >> absolutely nobody and that happens every time we move. >> reporter: without a support system to fall back on, she knew finding childcare was essential. >> nobody would take him because childcare is limited in the area. >> reporter: one complication is sebastian is on the autism spectrum. >> i toured some schools and as soon as i said there were needs and recommendations, their response was, we are not able to provide what he needs and it was very stressful. >> reporter: adding to the stress, she was jobhunting looking for a position similar to the one she left behind. >> you can get a job without childcare and how do you have time to apply and do the process for the interviews without childcare. >> reporter: at a city of 25,000 they are struggling to find childcare. the owner of fun times preschool says they are all feeling the fallout. >> reporter: counted the pandemic impact you hear. >> we had a total of 400 c

they heard this particular argument on a mississippi law banning abortion at 15 weeks. they heard that on december 1st. right after the argument, they go into conference. that's when they take their initial vote. and politico is saying that at their initial vote, five of the justices voted to overturn roe v. wade. again, voting against the constitutional right to an abortion. if those numbers hold 5-4 with alito writing the opinion, justices thomas, gorsuch, kavanaugh, and barrett joining him, that would, indeed, be enough. it appears by this draft that the chief justice will side with the liberals if this holds. but again, anderson, this is not final. it is possible for justices to change their vote. and you almost wonder if perhaps someone from the supreme court purposely leaked this opinion to get enough public outrage in the coming weeks that maybe one of the justices might change their opinion. that's a possibility here. so, again, this is not a final opinion by the court. we get those in very particular order. we get them when the court announces them. they usuall

tony in mississippi. harold, in colorado. and when tony was finally able to move west to be with harold, they suffered a lot of fertility issues and had miscarriages. it's a sadness to her. back in mississippi, tony's brother todd and sister in law rhonda were also struggling to have a baby. but after years of disappointment for both couples, all their prayers were answered. >> we both ended up pregnant at the same time. >> that must of been a very happy time considering what you went through to get there. >> exactly. >> and all of a sudden, good news here, good news there. get ready because you are going to have a house full. >> in june of 2005, tony and harold welcomed their baby girl, haley. by then, todd and wanda had already had an in kate. when the girls were a little over a year old, they came to mississippi and the new cousins got to meet. >> it was a very happy occasion, and i have to remember tony just being so happy, to have haley, so. so is harold. >> and although tony had always wanted to be a mom, it was pretty

and rivers that connect to the mississippi river. it reminded me of the people escaping bondage on the sam gaddy steamer attacked by confederate gorillas and executed by gorillas on the banks, missouri river. it reminded me of the successive expulsions of freed people from places like camp nelson and those deaths. i think of the hundreds of people who died building fort neglia national, tennessee who's remains. i think we're still being found in 2018 not mistaken. so i wonder rather than think in terms of devastation for one in transformation for the other or loss and gain i i wonder could the camp or the violent practice of him that represent a possible intersection of these histories. specific typically, can we view encampment or camps? as sites of violence as battlefields in their own right and as sites of being justice of the us government because the camp help us to see both the intersections and the diversions of these history. of these histories and that they needn't be at i because if you look through the or army volumes are

this is the mississippi governor who was on the program. [video clip] >> the snapback law passed in 2007 has no exception for incised. so assuming the supreme court overturns roe v. wade, the state of mississippi will force girls and women who are the victims of in sask to carry those child's to term. can you explain why that is going to be your law? >> that's good to be the law because in 2007 mississippi legislature -- i will tell you in this sort of speaks to how far the democrats in washington avenue come on this issue. in 2007 when the trigger law was put in place, we had a democrat speaker the house and a democrat chairman of the public health committee and the mississippi house. >> why is it acceptable to force girls who are victims of insets to carry this child to term? >> as you know, jake, over 92% of all abortions in america are elective procedures. when you look at the number of those that actually are involved , in less than 1%. and if we need to have that conversation in the future about potential exemptions we can certainly d

river and revert that connect to the mississippi river. it reminded me of the people escaping bondage on the sand at the steamer [inaudible] and executed by guerrillas on the banks of the missouri river. it reminded me of the success of expulsions of freak people from places like camp nelson and and those deaths. i think of the hundreds of people who died building fort mcmurray in nashville, can you see, which remains i think we're still being found in 2018 if, i'm not mistaken. so i wonder where as we think in terms of devastation for one and transformation for another or loss and gain. i wonder, could the camp or the violent practice of encampment represent the possible intersection of these histories, specifically can review it encampment or camps as sites of violence as battlefields in their own right and sides of the injustice of the u.s. government? good to have help us to see both the intersections and the difference of this history of, these histories, and that they need to be at odds. because if you look through the o.r. army you

in arguments in the mississippi case last december, it seemed they were ready to rethink roe. and jan, this leak is unprecedented. what do we know about the investigation? >> people leak to the media for a lot reasons. they're outraged by somethng, they're disgruntled, or perhaps in this case they're looking to influence a justice, hoping to change his or her vote. there are not a lot of people who would have had access to the draft ruling. the chief justice has asked the marshal of the court to head up the investigation. >> it comes at such a momentous time. this decision could affect millions of women. what about the integrity of the court? >> this decision would have been a blockbuster no matter what, but it's a body blow to the supreme court because it is used to a long tradition, this has never happened, complete confidentiality when the justices are discussing these opinions so they can freely work through their decisions. it will take time for this court to recover. the chief justice in a statement today said the leaker will not succeed in undermining court operations.

in 2018 mississippi's governor signed a law that may overturn roe. it bans nearly all abortions after 15 weeks the state's only licensed abortion clinic challenged the law and the supreme court heard the case in december with this leaked opinion from the court, we now know which way it's leaning historian douglas brinkley now, professor of history at rice university douglas, great to see you. nearly 50 years of precedent could be wiped out here. give us context on that historically >> well, roe v. wade was january 22nd, 1973, and it didn't make the headline news that you might think because lyndon johnson had died that day and that led off the news stories immediately roe v. wailede had s critics. the catholic church was talking about the unborn children that would never see the light of day. the state of texas called it the worst decision since dred scott and it got politicized so everything since 1971 has been a political football over abortion and wrapped up in it is women's rights, but also the federal government versus states' rights >> justices

mississippi's decision? guest: it would be difficult to uphold the mississippi abortion ban without overturning roe v. wade or gutting them. the conservative argument is that the court will be intellectually consistent. alito's opinion reflects the argument that was made by mississippi in this case. host: as far as the document itself, doesn't get transmitted via email or how does it work and how does it make it easy to make it available to the press or other sources? guest: used to be that we were -- handed paper copies to the past -- pressroom but they have not doing -- done that because the court -- it is close to the public. they posted online. this draft and it kinda looks like it was xeroxed. it is not clear where they came from. host: from looking and reporting, what are you looking at in the days regarding this? guest: for those of us who come to the court, it seems that the court is moving toward overturning or getting roe v. wade. the context of the decision is not surprising. the reaction that you

so nrcs is working on a variety of projects in mississippi. my staff will be able to give you the list of the projects that were identified in the 47.8 million. we are working on, for example, a big project with madison county on a streambank erosion issue. we know that a lot of the sediment issues in mississippi are not a result of you losing your topsail. it's a result of the banks basically eroding over time creating some challenges. so i think you're going to see significant activity in this space in mississippi because of the money and resources that have been provided to the appropriations process and to the infrastructure. >> wonderful. appreciate that answer. and i've got a few seconds left. rural community across u.s. we will always be faced with these weather-related challenges and i was pleased the fy 2023 budget request for usda included the debbie fpo funding in it as well. well. should congress provide funny to address project are watershed specific challenges through that in fy '23? how confident are you the nrcs can put those f

tell us a bit about what viewers will see in the second episode on the mississippi river delta. >> mississippi looks like a lot of places in the south. had been overlooked. i think very few people that i have spoken to said, hey, i will go to mississippi. and you know i was really honored to live there for about six months when i was in college. i thought the place was beautiful and you know we wanted to create a narrative where we could simultaneously you know be pretty opened about a lot of historic am issues that are still there, that have not been resolved, that have been swept under the rug while still celebrating the culture in mississippi, in just how beautiful the state is in and of itself. they are there just like anywhere else in the country. it doesn't mean we can't embrace how beautiful the culture is down there. there is a lot to celebrate. >> all right. looking forward to it. thank you sow much. >>> and the special episode "nomad" with carlton mccoy starts right here on cnn. you see, son, with a little elbow grease, you can do just about anything. thanks, dad. that's rht, robert.

that mississippi is currently. yeah. no, no, we know that just to salita and whomever joins him is not going to take that path. but those bet 2nd theory is very much what chief justice robert seemed to be suggesting in the oral argument questions. so everything turns in terms of rows future on whether or not chief justice roberts writes that separate opinion and is able to draw one of the 5 other conservative justices away from a leadership position. and thank you for breaking that down for us lane. just briefly before we let you go or president urban, his congress to pass legislation, protecting abortion rides. what options to low mike his have depending on which of the 2 scenarios you've just explained. what options to little make is have to in shoal women's rights to protect it. if this decision goes ahead. well, there's a little bit of difficulty with that federally, but certainly the 1st thing that should happen is that all states you want to protect a woman's right to an abortion should enact legislation to that ef

some have been crossing state lines to mississippi. >> some weeks six days a week. >> reporter: this clinic at the heart of the supreme court case >> we are looking into opening a facility right now in new mexico that will be one of the states where patients will still be able to obtain an abortion. >> reporter: your organization is actually looking to set up new clinics in other states >> correct we are not going to just walk away from this. >> reporter: what will happen to the women, many low-income, who every year get abortion? in states like mississippi, texas, places like that >> we are going to continue to focus on those women, focusing on the humanity of those women and of providing them with holistic life affirming options to make sure that they get access to the resources and help that they need. >> reporter: while roughly half of states get ready to meet higher demand for abortions it is an issue that long divided the country and if roe v. wade is overturned those divisions may grow deeper stephanie gosk, nbc news, new york. >> the political fall kraut from that leaked draf

law, mississippi's law bans abortion at 15 weeks. now, the justices weren't only considering if that law was constitutional, which if you look to precedent, it would not be, but mississippi also asked the justices to completely overturn roe v. wade. political reporting that after the arguments were made on december 1, five of the justices agreed with mississippi, agreed that roe v. wade should be overturned. those justices, alito, clarence thomas, nkneel gorsuch, amy cony barrett we've learned john roberts would be in the dissent. after that point, a dlaft was written, this draft that political company obtained politically was written on february 10, at least the process began on february 10 by justice alito. this would mark a monumental shift in abortion rights, it would completely eliminate the constitutional right to have an abortion and we would see states take swift action. in fact some states are already moving with their republican-led states moving to at this point ban abortion already. we've seen oklahoma probably act the mo

as justices they can rethink them, and arguments in the mississippi case last december it seemed they were ready to rethink roe. >> o'donnell: and, jan, this leak is unprecedented. what do we know about the investigation? >> reporter: people leak to the media for a lot of reasons-- they're outraged by something, they're disgruntled or in this case they're look to influence a justice, hoping to change his or her vote. there are not a lot of people who would have access to this draft ruling. the chief justice has asked the marshal of the courts to heads- up the supreme court police to launch this investigation, the f.b.i. not involved at this >> o'donnell: it comes at such a momentous time. this decision could affect millions of women. what about the integrity of the court? >> reporter: well, i mean, this decision would have been a blockbuster, no matter what, but it's a body blow to the supreme court because it is used to a long tradition-- this has never happened-- complete confidentiality when the justices are discussing these opinions so they can freely work through their decisions.

and aclu of mississippi is also look at that and saying if roe v. wade can be overturned what other sort of rights well-being overturned. the idea of both it sides look at the horizon could be a big path, make a big impact in the midterms. though it is no telling which side would be the one more angry or more energized to go to the polls. >> but exactly what this president alluded to, which is there could be a domino effect, what other rights might be affected. thank you so much. that co-does conclude our coverage. much more tonight on "nbc nightly news" with lester holt. catch up throughout catch up dates on msnbc or on our necessitiews service nbc ne. >> now she'll make itunits. >> correct. >> i appreciate her a with math, she makes it fun instead of making it boring. >> i appreciate miss stau water a lot. my child's teacher has her back as much as i do. >> you have three minutes. is the song is, we don't talk about bruno. >> someone is joining our less on today it is pauly v. pauly >> one of our favorite teacher assistants is pauly v. >> the majo

. >> he goes by the name mississippi joe. this is where you find him everyday, tending to a vegetable garden. almost everyone at east palo alto knows him because of his kindness. >> giving is something special. when you gift. it makes you feel good, when you can hand out something to someone else. >> for 48 years, when the cucumbers and squash6 and corn and onions and tomatoes and other produce are ready for harvest -- squash and corn and onions and tomatoes are ready for harvest, mississippi joe will share them with others. >> we always shared the food with each other because some of them did not have food sometimes. what we had, we would share it. >> mississippi has a large fan club. this is a few of them who wanted to share what he means to them. >> he has always had that attitude of just a giving, free spirit. constantly giving, then sincerity that he has, the love he has for the community. we have all been blessed. >>'s hospitality is not limited to his produce. -- his hospitality is not limited to his produce. he has br

the victim of incest, wonder mississippi law would not be able to get an abortion. this is about women's freedom. this is about women's equal rights. and being treated as they should. as an equal citizen under the law. our republican colleagues have stopped the court. -- stacked the court. they are taking us back to the 1850's. that is what we are talking about here. but they may have the majority on the u.s. supreme court. but we have the people on our side. in election time, they always say don't get mad, vote, we say, get mad and vote, because that is what we are going to be doing on behalf of the women and the men who stand with them, the people of america, next week. thank you. >> this is an issue that is defining for this country today. if the american people don't stand up for quality for every american, at this moment in time, we will be undermining a right to privacy in more than this context. women deserve freedom and bodily autonomy. we deserve to be able to make decisions about when we are having children, under what circumstances we are having children,

shannon brewer is the director of the only abortion clinic in mississippi. it is the one at the center of this case. shannon: i don't have any hope with anything to do with art judicial system -- our judicial system. i have no hope in congress right now because this should never be. it should never have been. we should never have gotten to this point. yamiche: in louisiana, i talked to a 32-year-old. she has had three aboard i -- three abortions and had since become a worker at the clinic who provided her her care. >> had i not had abortion access when i was at the age of 24, 25, debatg my life path, i would have been completely lost. i don't know how i would've made it through an unplanned pregnancy. yamiche: i also talked to opponents of abortion rights, who told me they want to provide more resources for women to deal with unwanted pregnancies. abby, what is your sense of who will be most impacted if roe v. wade is overturned? abby: there is no question that the women who are in a position to want an abortion in the first place are going to be affected. w

that mississippi might ban contraception. there's a supreme court ruling called griswold that's the underpinning of roe from a legal analysis standpoint. it establishes right to privacy that roe depended on. that is the decision that some justices testifying before the senate have said that's settled law on exactly why that would be settled law when roe isn't is hard to say at this point. >> let's hear from ralph in johnson city tennessee, independent line . >> good morning. your guests are very good. what i like to say is the us flag seems to be broken or out of line? i know the wind is blowing hard but i'ma vietnam veteran . i just can't understand why the flies are not flying directly. >> at the us capitol? >> yes. >> they seem to be flying. it's hard for us to turn around and look at the capital but i think they're doing okay. police is in springfield virginia, independent line you're on with greg storm. >> good morning. >> you're on the air, go ahead. >> i'm here. >> go ahead, you're on the air go ahead with your questio

mississippi legislature wants to force raped children in mississippi to have children. samuel alito holds to his traditional catholic opinion that abortion is murder, but judges don't like to make pronouncements like that themselves they can find someone else to quote. saying what they want to say. so samuel alito does that on page 17 of his draft opinion, where he quotes sir edward koch, saying that abortion is murder. but even sir edward koch, sounds like a roe v. wade supporter, because he doesn't believe that abortion is murder until the fetus can be felt to be moving inside the womb. and at the same time that sir edward cook was thinking about where the line should be drawn on legal and illegal abortion, he was are also rewriting england's laws against witchcraft, to strengthen those laws in 1600 for, to provide a death penalty for which is who, quote, invoke evil spirits. -- samuel alito is asking the supreme court of the united states to take moral guidance from the man who believed in witches, and believed in putting them to death. just as we did in this country

mississippi tried to do this. how you restrict women from traveling from one state to another doesn't sound constitutional. let's get a closer look at this map. these are the states that have either passed or are working on abortion restrictions according to the center for reproductive rights. some have trigger laws, abortion restrictions that would go into place once the court actually rules. we have not added florida, iowa, montana or wyoming. they lean toward abortion restrictions. the draft decision does not indicate who would have voted which way but we know the liberal side of the court, sotomayor, breyer, kagan will likely dissent. they think roberts will too, but not enough to protect roe. the other question of course, is the document legit? experts think it is. >> this is a legitimate draft opinion. it uses language that justice alito is known to use. as pete says, it tracks what justice alito said at the oral argument. it's just devastating to read. >> he was the former solicitor general of the united st

we are seeing mississippi, but also louisiana patients who have been displaced by texas. we are seeing texas patients who cannot get in any quicker anywhere closer to them. last week, we had our first oklahoma patient. oklahoma has now banned abortion as well. >> you cowrote something with aaliyah torres on monday. you said whichever way that they rule, alabama will always have abortion. it is a matter of whether it will be legal and safe or less frequent and clandestine without medical supervision. if it is a lot, or let's hope that the state is ready to face the facts that they will have on the health care system. at that point, it really will be a matter of life or death. we have a lot of the discussions about abortions and whether it should be allowed or if this is not affecting the health of the woman. you said this will not just jeopardize the health of women. >> it will jeopardize the house of anyone capable of becoming pregnant. i'm not just talking about people who are having unwanted or unplanned pregnancies. one abortion is completely illegal, we will see that

there were people in mississippi, a 16-year-old girl who was charged with murder in mississippi, because she had a stillbirth. in south carolina, a woman was also charged with murder for having a stillbirth, the first person to be charged with murder, a black woman in her early 20s, because she had a stillbirth. what we see is what we have been seeing before, except that they were black and brown women, the canaries in the coal mine. now this will be expensive, and there will be a lot of policing because who will know which are the women who are trying to have an abortion? who are the people that are trying to aid or abet them in terms of terminating a pregnancy? we will see a level of chilling people behavior and seeking to scare them, which is also a part of the tactics. this is part about making people feel uncomfortable, it is about scaring people, it is bucking people in their place. that means keeping women and girls in this place. that is what this is about. >> to that point, joyce, the tennessee governor just signed a bill that would impose more restrictions on abortion pills. th

it's more dangerous to give birth than to have an abortion in mississippi. hopefully, we can enjoin this. >> that official also told me that she felt gutted when she heard about the news that roe v. wade was poised to be overturned. i also spoke to a protester who is an opponent of abortion rights. he told me he feels like this is god's will and this is the culmination of decades of conservatives. he is looking on the horizon saying if this abortion clinic is closed, he will start protesting against same-sex marriage and pushing for the supreme court to overturn that right. as you see on the conservative side, they are turning their eyes toward the next issue. on the democratic side, the liberal side you hear from people here on the ground saying that they are worried rights like same-sex marriage and other right wills be taken away. both sides politically thinking about what's next. of course, that comes ahead of the midterms where a lot people will have this top of mind as they go to the polls. >> going all the way back to the right to contraception, the o

the mississippi law, had no exception for rape or incest. so it's just a flat ban. so if mississippi is a okay, any other state can do that, or possibly, lawrence, if there are republican takeover of the house in the, senate congress could pass a law banning abortion in all 50 states. so this is a dramatic win, if it becomes the law of the supreme court is breathtaking. i understand all of this wondered about other things about the court voting rights and so on but on this day i think which we should focus on is roe v. wade because this is monumental in a way that nothing like this has happened in our lifetime. >> neil, just a quick follow-up, this is a draft opinion. one of the kinds of changes than normally occur between a draft opinion, this one was drafted in february, a opinion that might come out as latest june. what kind of changes happen? >> so, changes can happen of all sorts, lawrence, big and small. one of the justice can say, hey, justice alito you can drop that footnote, read a paragraph that says this or delayed a whole section. possibly you can even h

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and by mississippi, by justice alito, and mississippi, a black woman and 118 times more likely to die by hearing a pregnancy that and allow the gun abortion. already, 80% of the cardiac death due to pregnancy are expands by black women. that's not a mississippi figure, but we see all across the country, especially in states that have these horrific antiabortion types of laws you see high death rates, and high maternal morbidity rates. and nationally, let's be, clear united states, has a paper job of keeping people alive and pregnancy. united states ranks 56 in the world in terms of maternal mortality. and that's not a good figure, whether we're talking about is 56 places after saturday via. and the company of russia, now germany, sweden, or france. we're at the bottom of the barrel, and finally, and states like louisiana, texas, mississippi, these are considered the deadliest places in all of the developed world for a woman to be pregnant. and that should settle in amongst all the listeners and goes right. no >> lufthansa, professor goodwin, appreciate you, both thank you for the time

sproi for what purpose does the gentleman from mississippi rise? >> madam speaker, as the member designated by mr. bishop of georgia, i inform the house that mr. bishop will vote yes on s. 3527. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from texas rise? >> madam speaker, as the member designated by mr. fallon of texas, pursuant to house resolution 8, i inform the house that mr. fallon will vote yes on s. 3527. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from california rise? >> madam speaker, as the member designated by representatives jayapal, khanna, bass, and ocasio-cortez, i inform the house that these members will vote yes on s. 3527. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from illinois rise? >> madam speaker, as the member designated by mr. smucker of pennsylvania, i inform the house that mr. smucker will vote yes on s. 3527. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman rise? >> madam speaker, as the member designated by mr. cardenas, i inform the house that mr. cardena

the governor of mississippi. also elected by the people of mississippi. what did that legislation, adopted by the duly elected representatives of the people of that state say? if an unborn child is 15 weeks old, you cannot take their life. you cannot do. specifically, it said this, except in a medical emergency, a person shall, not or knowingly perform or induce an abortion of an unborn human being if the probable gestational age of that human being has been determined to be greater than 15 weeks. why? why do they pick that timeframe? at five weeks, and unborn dot child's heart begins being, i ten weeks vital organs begin to function, at 11 weeks the diaphragm is developing, at 12 weeks the child has taken on human form in all relevant respects. people in mississippi's legislation passed a law in question because they understand that life is precious and it should be protected. they understand that life is a gift from our creator. they understand that you can't pursue happiness if you first don't have liberty. an

it is still legal. >> joey: 63% of the people could support the mississippi law is the point? >> jessica: it's not 63% of people supporting restrictive law. 20 states that have trigger laws which means if this decision goes into effect, which is expected at the end of june, immediately abortion becomes hugely restricted or outright banned in their state. that includes also going after people who assist in providing abortion that can be, remember in texas we talked about your uber driver who takes you to an abortion clinic. >> judge jeanine: no, no. there has got to be intent. don't mislead the audience. there hat got to be intent. >> jessica: that's why ted cruz wouldn't touch that law. >> joey: does this open the door to ban things like gay marriage? >> judge jeanine: no it doesn't. they specifically say in this decision alito says the difference between abortion and gay marriage and interracial marriage and contraception is abortion involves a third party. let me read one last statement here by the court here. our decision returns the issue of abortion to legislative bodies

individual states like mississippi should decide, there should be no nationwide guarantee of a right to abortion. the consequences of what that would be. >> what impact if it does become law? over 20 states will be able to ban abortion. that will at that -- that will affect 36 million women across the country, restricting their safe access to abortion. incurring extra cost to travel out of state. something that many say will affect a low income and minority women disproportionately. >> let's look at the institution of the supreme court itself. nine justices serve a lifetime term. currtly there is a conservative majority. five we appointed by republican presidents, for by democratic presidents. this constitutional law expert says there is not. >> you would have to be wildly naive to believe the supreme court is somehow a political body. there are concerted efforts that have been made to control and dictate who is going to end up on the supreme court. the position that people takon that role has been a litmus test for confirmation to the supreme court for quite some time now. >> the is

mississippi's governor is sharing this view. take a listen. >> what i can tell you is what we're trying to do in mississippi is we're trying to provide those potential expectant mothers the resources they need so that they can go to a full term pregnancy if they choose to keep that child, then that's a great outcome. we want to make sure we provide them the resources they need. >> you have to provide services. i believe we want to increase the services for maternal health to increase the services for adoption services as well. so we want to invest in those areas that will help those women with very difficult circumstances of the pregnancy. >> okay. so how do those thoughts sit with you? >> well, i just think it's completely disingenuous for politicians to claim they care about women's health and then -- m mississippi is the state banning abortion. that's the case before the court, and mississippi completely fails to provide the support that pregnant and parenting people need to thrive. it is the only state that doesn't have any

for example, what we are seeing in mississippi right now. overall, the issue that we need to keep our eye on, in terms of judicial overreach, but also what is happening at the state level, in the courts, but also the legislatures. >> harry, ownership there's a little, talk about the 1/6 investigation. the washington post has more on the role that mark meadows played in advancing trump's efforts to overturn the election. the paper reports, quote, meadows granted those peddling theories about a stolen election direct access to the oval office. and personally connected some with the president. he pressed the justice department to investigate spurious and debunked claims. he also pushed the justice department on successfully, to try to invalidate the election results in six states through federal court action. this is been nearly five months now since the house found him in contempt. so why has the justice department charged meadows yet? >> by the way, it's not just that. he's also with trump the entire afternoon of 1/6, and either after is repe

that was signed by the governor of mississippi also elected by the people of mississippi and what is the legislation adopted by the duly elected representatives of the people oe that state. if an unborn child is 15 weeks were older you can't take their life. you can't do it. t specifically you decide this. except in a medical emergency a person shall not intentionally or knowingly perform an abortion of a human being if the probable gestational age of that human being has been determined to be greater than 15 weeks. and why? why did they pick that timeframe? five weeks a heartbeat begins beating at eight weeks the child begins to move and a ten week's vital organs begin to function and 11 weeks the diaphragm is developing got 12 weeks the child has taken on human form and all relevant respects. people of mississippi legislature passed the law in question because they understand that life is precious and it should be protected. they understand that life is a gift from our creator. they understand you can't pursue happiness if you don't have liberty and you never have real liberty or t

whether the state of mississippi can enact an abortion law that would be more liberal than those in germany, france and switzerland. this is the case that's driving these hysterics. the possibility that abortion laws might be able to move away from china and north korea and closer to germany, france, switzerland.pr today's democratic party is profoundly out of step with of the american people on this issue. it ignores modernub science and public opinion. they would roll back health regulations and attack the rights and religious freedoms. they would overturn modest safeguards like waiting periods and possibly even parental notifications. and it's written so that in practice it would allow effective abortions until birth. the extreme position is radical on a global scale and wildly unpopular with of the american people. only 34% believe abortion should be illegal and all or most cases into the second trimester. every senate democrat but two io every house democrat except they put their name on this as cosponsors. that means 19% of americans actually want to come and 97% of democrats in congr

most people in mississippi believe that that is egregiously wrong. but raped children being forced to give birth to children, can now be the new law of the land in the united states of america. and a majority of the supreme court does not believe raped children being forced to give birth weight is egregiously wrong. joining us now, is cheri beasley >> sherry beasley, former chief justice of north carolina supreme court, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank, you lawrence, i'd ask everybody to please go to let me get first. your reading of this as a former chief justice of the court in north carolina. your reading of this opinion? >> lawrence, thank you so much for having me here today. i have been a judge, i've been a judge, i've been the chief justice of the supreme court. and i have spent my life in service to the people of north carolina for more than 30 years. working hard to respect the rule of law and to uphold the constitution. and a woman's right to make choices about her reproductive health. is a constitutional right. grounded

i am from mississippi. the infant mortality rate is out of the roof. there are a lot of women who die having birth. however, this is my stance. my stance is this. i am not for abortion, i am for women's rights. roe v. wade was the opinion me of women's rights. -- the epitomy of women's rights. one thing, who is responsible? it is the woman and man's responsibility not to have sex unprotected. i am not for abortion for contraceptive means, but for rape and incest? you're talking about people in the south. those trumpkin thinking people, they feel incest and rape is all right. you had -- no, i am against that type. then when you have a woman who has a stillbirth and she has to have the procedure to remove the child, you are making that illegal. i can understand both sides of the argument. i am for women's rights. guest: is there a middle ground? guest: one point that the caller made was very important, which is about the necessity for access to contraception. talking about the responsibility of the woman and the man, and i tell you that access to contrac

he was, however, don, ready to uphold the mississippi law that was in dispute before the justices, which is a 15-week ban on abortion, ban on abortion at 5 weeks of pregnancy, so what politico has gotten its hands on and published and just, you know, a real earthquake of news in women's rights and court protocol, i mean, i'm sure the court right now, the nine justices are just so shaken by having this information out here in this draft form, before everything is completely resolved is that this court is ready to roll back rights by a narrow 5-4 vote, which would

most people in mississippi believe that that is egregiously wrong. but raped children being forced to give children -- can now be the new law of the land in the united states of america. and a majority of the supreme does not believe raped children being forced to give birth is egregiously wrong. joining us now is cheri beasley, she's a former chief justice of the north carolina supreme court. she is now the democratic candidate for u.s. senate in north carolina. thank you very much for joining us tonight. i really wanted to hear from someone who's held judicial office at the state level since the supreme court is saying all of this now should be sent back to the states for the states to do what they will. let me get first, your reading of this as a former chief justice of the court. in north carolina. you are reading of this opinion? >> lawrence, thank you so much for having me here today. i, have been a judge, even a judge, i mean the chief justice of the north consular in court. and i have spent my life in services of people in north carolina for