>> well, with regard to the nuclear documents at mar-a-lago, it is very, very troubling that this type of information would be there, anywhere for that matter. we know at this point that there's been over a period of months 300 classified documents found at mar-a-lago. and that simply should have never happened in the first

multiple documents marked secret and top-secret that never should have been at mar-a- lago in the first place and you are concerned about "time magazine." if the wrong people got to look at them, that could sure cause damage to our national security. let's discuss now. i want to bring in cnn senior lan analyst, and special prosecutor, former doj national security official and prosecutor vented brand grant. laura, where have you been all my life? i miss you! good to see you. >> i have been cheering on serena williams. [ laughter ] >> i am not even mad. we all have been. listen, laura. i've been wanting to get your perspective on this, can you sum up for our audience what the trump team is arguing to last night's blockbuster doj brief? >> one, to answer your question, no. no one would think donald trump is actually writing a memoir, that is why he has in his session at mar-a-lago documents that ought to be returned long time ago. there are arguably simply this, we don't trust you, department of justice to conduct an investigation that would honor whatever privilege claims we think we have

not only what why was it in mar-a-lago? but what was he doing with it? and you know, we do not have an answer to that. >> i want to bring in james clapper, who the is the former director of national intelligence. director clapper, does this make any sense to you? what stands out to you about this reporting for the washington post? >> anderson, it does not make any sense to me at all, i can't imagine why on earth with the foreign president we purloined a document like that from annexed intrinsic standpoint, this is potentially profoundly damaging, and that it could reveal not only one of our collective capabilities, but what they are not, which could also be very damaging for us. and of course as others have spoken to win i can't imagine what was the motivation for taking a document like this, that this is sort of worst fears realized from what has been described so far. >> james copper, in a world of espionage where information has tremendous value. what sort of value because information like this have? i'm not talking about this, we have no reason to kn

these were in mar-a-lago for more than 18 months. what could happen if this kind of information fell into the wrong hands? >> well, first of all, it's the duplication that has always made me worried. one of the reasons why you view it in a scif or make it inaccessible to say cameras on iphones is you really do not want people emailing it xeroxing it, circulating it. so, just the fact that it was sitting around means anyone, including trump, could come along and copy it and then share it with someone else. so it's the copying and duplication that is worrisome. and then of course it's the foreign spiraling and espionage to get their hands on it and now they know something about say another countries nuclear capabilities or limitations. and then the third is, you know, are there exchanges being made for this information? this is what we do not know. this is why. so i think it is. but i want to just really sort of second your point. we're so focused on the picture -- >> right, exactly. >> all this classified information. it's the obstruc

the mar-a-lago search made 64% of republican voters more likely to vote in the midterms. on one side, we're talking about an essential sort of question of freedom, and on the other hand, on the republican side there motivator is an fbi search of documents that president swirled away with him. that were not his. what does that tell you about the ability of two parties to come together, and the stakes in this november election? >> okay, well first of, all the wall street journal must not talk to the people i spoke to the minnesota state fair today, when i'm just walking around the fair. people are really concerned about someone stealing the nation's top secret. they understand that there are patriots all over the globe that are helping our country, and revealing their names and the intelligence that they brought us, could put them at grave risk. there are countries that want to do listen. look at the evil, inhuman barbarism of vladimir putin right now. there are terrorists that want to do us in. and for the president to have, the former president to have taken those documen

new details emerging on that legal documents seized from mar-a-lago. this happening as the former president plans to hold his first rally since the fbi search. plus new information on the mississippi water crisis which is ongoing. and bowing out with great, serena williams plays her final tennis match at the u.s. open. we'll have much more on her emotional farewell, ahead. we begin, though, with that breaking news, everybody, in tupelo mississippi where the sheriff's office says a man is in custody after spinning a twin turbo propeller airplane and threatening to crash it into a local walmart, triggering an evacuation. nbc's covering the story. bring us up to date as to what we know so far, and how it is this guy managed to meant steal the plane in the first place. >> you know, as, minimal start with the most important thing. incredibly, there were no injuries at the end of this. which is really unbelievable when you consider the fact that for the better part of five hours he had an airplane that was circling parts of tupelo and beyond and threatening

why did he have all that stuff at mar-a-lago? >> that's why i think it's important that this is transparent and we do have someone who is outside of the doj looking at this and talking to people what is this information? we don't know what was in there. i think president trump declassified all this information. let's find out really what the process is, what is right, what's precedent that other presidents have followed -- >> i don't think -- governor, i don't think any president has ever carted off that many documents to their house after they left the presidency. >> none have. if they had, here's the thing, they would have been arrested. the doj would have gone after them. and, again, there you hear, mika, there you hear once again the argument oh, i think he declassified it. no, as ken pointed out, they come up with a thousand different excuses -- >> that actually confirm he has them. >> and each excuse confirms that the last excuse was a lie. and they keep building excuse upon excuse upon excuse that actually knocks the found

we know more about what the fbi found at mar-a-lago. the inventory list going public today. plus, what a former trump ag had to say about the current justice department's handling of the whole thing. it may surprise you. >>> two former white house lawyers appearing before the january 6 grand jury here in d.c. one of them just walked out. we will take you live to the courthouse as the house committee investigating the insurrection calls for the testimony of a former house speaker, newt gingrich, a member of the committee will join us live later this hour. >>> this hour, the friday fizzle on what street. with the august jobs report showing more than 300,000 new jobs, why are stocks seeming to shake it off? we will answer that question in a bit. i'm hallie jackson in washington. could get busy. could stay chill. we don't know. ken dilanian is with us along with saha kapur and charles coleman. ken, let me start with you. the thing we are waiting for, we don't know when it's going to come, this filing from a federal judge who has heard arguments on whether or not to appoint an in

were they recovered where else at mar-a-lago or are they gone? that would be of course the most concerning outcome. and then finally, if you can ascertain, if you're thinking about charging somebody, you need to know who handled them, who mishandled them, what they did with them and can you show the relevant intent and knowledge. for that you'd have to talk to your witnesses, probably want to look at that surveillance tape that doj subpoenaed. you might even try to send some of the documents for forensics or fingerprinting or dna, though you would not see if somebody touched them. so i think there's a whole bunch more questions raised by the new filing. >> that's just the empty folders there. carrie, you look at all the paperwork, there's so much material there. there's just a lot of material. >> there's a lot of material, it's a lot of documents. and remember, these documents belong to the united states government. and that's really the basic premise that is underlying all of this. i do think that the fact that so much of this information was cl

obtained a search warrant for mar-a-lago at the beginning of august, the d.o.j. has been building a pretty strong case against the former president. which might be why, as a stalling tactic, he filed a motion requesting a "special master" to review the documents seized by federal agents. i got to say, "special master" actually sounds kind of kinky. (deep voice) "you will address me as special master, and you will submit... your motion to dismiss no later than 3:00 p.m. friday. now beg for my oversight." normally, the purpose of a special master is to go through all the documents and determine which ones are relevant to the case and which might be protected by something like attorney-client privilege. but, given the national security implications here, most legal minds assumed a judge woldn't do anything to hinder the investigation. but yesterday, federal judge aileen cannon granted the former president's request to appoint a special master, and barred the justice department from using the seized materials for any "investigative purpose" until the work was complet

obviously that's not how they were kept in mar-a-lago. the fact that individuals at the top echelons of our government couldn't review these records because they didn't have the clearance to do so is really worrisome because nobody at mar-a-lago would have the clearance to review this information. >> you know, carol, this week -- this weekend and i guess yesterday -- or the day before, former attorney general barr had said there were really no precedence for a president taking documents like this to mar-a-lago, to a beach club, taking it out of a government facility just never happened before. i'm curious, this level of top-secret classification, have we seen that -- it's more of a rhetorical question but i'm going to ask it anyway. have we seen anything this sensitive in any of the cases we've heard about? hillary clinton's server, director petraeus, sandy berger? those high-profile cases where cia directors and national security advisers got in trouble with the law? has anything ever approached this law of sensitivity? >> even though yo

because you're sending it to mar-a-lago or to wherever you're sending it. when you send it, it's declassified. we -- i declassified everything. >> you conducted, susan, nearly 300 interviews to chronicle trump's time in office for your new book. does he think he can just wave a magic wand and make his problems go away? >> wolf, the list of things donald trump believes he had the absolute right, quote, unquote, to do when he was the president of the united states was a very, very long list. that interview with shawn hannity he added to it with the mental at the lep pa think version of declassification. that was a new one even for donald trump. more seriously it underscores just how divorced donald trump was from the reality of our constitutional system of government. his views of what the powers of the president of the united states were were not supported in facts, law or history. you're seeing him challenge basically to stretch the limits of human credibility with the excuses for why he had these classified documents with him at mar-a-lago. i don't think t

also went into barron's room searching mar-a-lago? is this part of par for the course when you issue a search warrant? you are on this property looking for classified information that you know exist there mar-a-lago that you know would search a child's bedroom, for instance? >> absolutely. they had a search warrant for the premises. they would have described the premise and be permitted to look anywhere documents could be found. if he had stashed them in his sons room, then the fbi has every right to go in there look. maybe it turns out there weren't tiny, but the authorization he got from the magistrate who issued the search warrant is to search the premises. if there were something too large to be held in someone's bedroom like a stolen car for example they can search a bedroom. if a documents can be stored there, they are authorized to look. this is just enough they're effort to fuel the flames. it's incredibly dangerous and incredibly selfish by don trump to say these things. he knows right now there are unhinged people who are ou

jay o'bryant has more beginning with the documents at mar-a-lago. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. a new report says that documents that trump kept at mar-a-lago included top secret information about a foreign government's nuclear program. >> reporter: this morning, new fallout from the classified material allegedly found at former prufr's florida residence. the "washington post" reports a document fbi agents seized at mar-a-lago describes a foreign government's military defenses, and nuclear capabilities. the post adding some of the seized documents detail top secret operations, so closely guard that had many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. it comes as the justice department and former president trump's legal team face a new deadline. a judge is given them until friday to list candidates who could be a so-called special master in the case. an independent party who will review the documents. pierre thomas on the judge's ruling. >> she talked about the notion that there were other documents seized at mar-a-

issued the subpoena for the mar-a-lago search. back in may, she said she personally searched the florida estate for records in response to the new york attorney general's investigation of the trump organization. she said her search was diligent and that it included all desks, drawers, night stands, dressers, closets, et cetera. remarkable two different probes in the trump investigation are coming together, in they insist tidy box. >> mario joins us now. thanks for joining us. a recent report by your colleagues at bloomberg, is saying that the justice department will likely reveal any possible criminal charges after the midterms if at all. and they will wait to do so, that's going to be at least two months from now. tell us more about what your colleagues know about their reasoning. >> yeah, my colleagues from what we are just heard from sources is that of course mayor garland wants to kind of play, this we are already in unprecedented territory, right, given the search of a former president's residence, the political backlash has

we know that the documents were at mar-a-lago. we know that there's about 100 of highly classified documents that were found. and the question that no one has answered yet, is, why the former president of the united states decided that he had to take them there? that he had to remove them from the white house. we don't know the answer to that. maybe at some point during one of these legal investigations, we will be able to get to the bottom of this mystery about why the president, former president, decided to do that. but at this point, it's pure speculation. you can speculate all you want, we do not have a direct answer to that question, wolf. >> good point. i would like to get an answer to that. >> yeah, we would. >> guys, thank you very, very much. >>> just ahead, what it means for national security, now that the u.s. intelligence community's damage assessment related to the mar-a-lago documents is back underway. i'll speak with a key member of the house intelligence committee, representative jackie speier, when we come back. o

this isn't just a one-off of trump tower or mar-a-lago. this is a pattern and practice of how he's doing it. and don't forget that just a few years ago, new york dissolved his charitable foundation because of financial mismanagement. they were taking doe neighs and spend it on portraits and appropriaing it. that was dissolved. his children had to go to training to learn how to be trustees. that didn't work very well. >> that raises the deeper question, can you be taught to be charitable if it's not in your nature? >> it's more they don't understand how to be fiduciaries to act within the rules. and i think it's a microcosm -- when you read the complaint it's really a microcosm of what we saw over four years in the government. if you have been operating your whole life where you can make up your own rules and live in your fantasy world, this is what got translated into the oval office. and trying to bend laws and reality, institutions in order to create what he thought it should be as opposed to what our norms and laws and constitution says

wherever it is stored at mar-a-lago. i think we're going to continue to see more of that unless somehow something is done. and it's, again, it's a grave counterintelligence concern, jake. >> don, we should note that in a statement to "the washington post," a trump attorney criticized leaks about this case, saying, quote, the court has provided a sensible path forward which does not include the selective leak of unverifiable and misleading information. there's no reason to deviate from that path if the goal is to find a rational solution to document storage issues which have needlessly spiraled out of control. now, leaving aside this document storage issue, belittling of the situation, does he have a point about the leaks? look, i'm a journalist. i'm always pro-leak. i want as much information out there as possible. but we have also heard judge cannon talk about leaking in her ruling. >> don't think we know, you know, i certainly don't, and i don't know who does have any idea what the source of any leaks is. i think givin

the same for the a oathkeepers, have we seen mar-a-lago as an inflection point in terms of recruitment. >> the oathkeepers are in disarray because of an insurrection happened and we saw accountability, over 800 people were arrestedun including a lotf oathkeepers and some facing seditious conspiracy charges. >> stewart rose. >> his lawyer is arrested. >> so rightye now, they're actually in a moment where they're not kpalgt, exactly sure what they should be doing, their activity is down, and this is where efforts to undermine our institutions remain and public discourse and part of our public institutions, that continues, and that's what we're trying to shed light on. >> and let's get to the report now. t so the idea that you have peoplu who are in government, working actively against government, and you haveer paranoid conspiracie about the government, but who are representatives of said government, is very confusing, i think, to a lot of people. how does that work? and why does that work? >> so the oathkeepers are looking to recruit primarily from the holy trinity if you will, law enfo

some of the lawyers were taken by surprise when mar-a-lago got searched. they were searching for insight into what doj had and where they were going next. that is what burst -- birthed this special master request. the fact of the matter is he tried to delay it. this 11th circuit ruling has upend all of that. he and his lawyers were hoping that, if the 100 classified documents remained into play with the special master, then that could take weeks to resolve. lawyers need potential security clearances. there needs to be a way to handle them. they were hoping that could remain for weeks, if not months. the fact that the 11th circuit has taken these out means the extent of the delay that trump has been able to get has amounted to nothing more than 2 1/2 weeks. now doj can resume that investigation, and that's significant. two weeks is nothing. i spoke to a couple of former u.s. attorneys. they said the length of time that it would take to screw up an investigation of this nature is months. two weeks is not going to cut it. he is now going to have to go before

his first speech since the mar-a-lago search. and he continues to dangle the 2024 run and if elected again, possible pardons for those convicted in connection with the capitol riot. >> and ali, you saw those comments there from former attorney general bill barr, and he also talked a new york times on the question of the special master, and he told them some colorful language that i can't repeat here, but he said that i think it's a crock of blank, and, no i don't think a special master is called for. we'll be more context and color there as we await that ruling and he was not holding back on fox talking about this and this is a guy who wrote an unsolicited letter to get the job of attorney general and did his bidding very late in the election on january six. monika, good to see you, i'll talk to you soon. >> and for what's at stake i will turn to some of the smartest people i've come to know and he's a pulitzer prize-winning washington correspondent for the new york times and an msnbc contributor with former u.s. attorney to mich

just for perspective here, we remember doj seized 11,000 documents out of mar-a-lago. they don't like the special master ruling as to any of it. they lost all 11,000 documents. what they're doing here is saying, okay, let's carve out the most important to us, doj, 100 of those documents. they've essentially given up on there being a special master for the other 10,900 documents. they said with respect to the classified documents those should not go to the special master. we should be able to use them in our criminal investigation as well as our national securit

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and of course, his raid at mar-a-lago. alayna treene, thank you as always. we'll talk to you again soon. i want to thank all of you for getting up "way too early" on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. >>> this was not just extreme carelessness with classified material. which is still totally disqualifying. this is calculated, deliberate, premeditated misconduct, followed by a cover-up. >> what he did is illegal. it's classified information. >> he broke the law, it's very simple. i mean, as much as it's going to be broken, this is highly classified. that's the highest stage. it's highly classified information. many of them were classified.

cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez is tracking the mar-a-lago investigation. so both sides were battling it out in court, but as of tonight, no decision from the judge. give us the latest. >> reporter: that's right. judge eileen cannon says she's not ruling today, not immediately at least, but she seems inclined to grant former president trump's request for a special master, a third party, to review some of the documents that the justice department has in its hands as a result of this fbi search of the former president's home. one of the things that happened today was during the arguments in court, jim trusty, one of the former president's lawyers, compared the dispute over these classified documents taken from the white house to mar-a-lago, he compared it to a dispute over an overdue library book. you can look at the picture there is of those classified documents. the justice department says there's over 300 documents marked classified that have been recovered from mar-a-lago, beginning in january, taken back to the national archives. at this point, the judge

the stakes of the fbi search of donald trump's mar-a-lago home have gone nuclear. a source from "the washington post" said, a document describing a foreign government's military defenses

then all of a sudden 30 agents descend upon mar-a-lago? sean, this didn't come from a local fbi field office in palm beach, florida. you know who this came from. this came from one place and one building, and that is the white house in washington, d.c. they want to attack a guy with a view is his greatest threat, biden a posture's greatest threat, that's exactly what donald j. trump is, because you know what? he had an incredible strong country, people realize he was an effective president and you see biden right now. i mean, taiwan is getting circled by military planes literally as we sit here and speak right now. you've got -- russia, ukraine, a total disaster. you got everything happening in iran, which is a disaster. inflation, gas prices, all the things you talk about all night, we are not respect by anybody around the world, our economy is garbage. you know, and they worry that donald trump will come back in and win this very easily. they also worry about the 2022 midterms, which is the only reason they are doing the sham january 6 p

have you seen mar-a-lago as an inflection point in terms of recruitment? >> the oath keepers, it's important to note, i, mean there are a bit from disarray. in part because an insurrection happened and we saw some accountability over 800 people are arrested including a lot of oath keepers. right? some of them facing seditious conspiracy charges. >> stewart rhodes. >> right, stewart rhodes, they're up sensible leader, he's arrested. his lawyer is arrested. so right now, they're actually in a moment where they are not exactly sure what they should be doing. her activities is more down than it has ever been. but this is where our report comes in. efforts to undermine our in democratic institution remain. efforts not only for extremist to be part of the public discord but part of our public institutions? that continues. that is what we are trying to shed light on. >> i mean, let's get to the report now. the idea that you have people who are in government working actively against government and who have paranoid conspiracies about the government, but who are re

how he would know that they're the same as the hundred documents in mar-a-lago, i don't know how anyone outside the doj could know that. >> well, since like trump's team does not know what this classified documents are. they said repeatedly in the courtroom today, we don't have an index of what was in those boxes. we're not sure. that's why we need to review them. but that's also telling, because in order to have to classified anything, you would need to know what the documents were. >> you think so. although trump is putting forward this very broad argument that there is some implicit declassification that he was, if you will, so cavalier and careless in the way he handled documents in the white house, and perhaps even down at mar-a-lago, that he took things up to the lake -- lincoln bedroom, he left them strewn around the east wing of the white house, he took them down to mar-a-lago and left them strewn around their. and this was somehow implicitly declassified. i think that's the broadest trump argument. maybe they think they can level that somewhere and get some traction for it, but

but he will oversee disputes about roughly 11,000 other documents seized at mar-a-lago. and david, the special master told trump's attorneys today that they need to provide detailed lists of every single document deemed covered by some kind of privilege, david. >> all right, pierre thomas live in washington tonight. thank you, pierre. >>> we're going to turn now to the incredible scene playing out in russia tonight. backlash against vladimir putin's new draft, mobilizing up to 300,000 russians to join the fight in ukraine. tonight, men now leaving russia, flights out of moscow booked for days. some protesters now arrested and some of those very protesters already drafted now to fight. abc's tom soufi burridge in ukraine for us again tonight. >> reporter: tonight, the backlash in russia, as putin moves to conscript men into the army to fight in ukraine. protesters shouting, "no war." and this man screaming, "i won't die for putin," before being led away. police arresting more than 1,300 people in 40 cities. according to human rights activists, who say some of those detain

because you are sending it to mar-a-lago, or to wherever you are sending it. >> he did it, and he admits it! trump confesses to sending top secret documents to his former retirement home. tonight, the deepening legal jeopardy for the disgraced ex president. then -- >> my husband told me the president spot me twice. so i'm wearing my trump button. >> they expected testimony from the wife of supreme court justice, clarence thomas. january six committee member pete aguilar joins me tonight. plus -- >> i believe there is some criminal activity involved here. >> new details on the wrong desantis migrant scandal. and what the republican senate candidate in georgia -- when it comes to charity. when all in starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. donald trump just had one of the worst legal days of his entire life, which is saying something. and it comes amidst a set of ex alerting threats from local, state, and federal law enforcement. so, last, night the 11th circuit court of appeals, as we have reported, issued a pretoria reelin

that third party's task sift through material seized from mar-a-lago to weed out personal items documents covered by attorney-client privilege and to the confusion of many legal experts document covered by executive privilege. in granting trump's request the judge cited swirling allegations of bias and media leaks. she was also deferential to trump's position as a former presidentying that trump faces an unquantifial potential harm by way of improper disclosure of sensitive information to the public adding "the stigma associate with the subject's seizure is in a league of its own" and noted that during the search the fbi took items including medical documents and accounting information. >> there's not another litigant in the united states of america who could have gotten this same ruling. it's really a very pro-plaintiff, pro-trump ruling in all respects. >> reporter: still trump -- >> it was a travesty of justice. >> reporter: -- spent the weekend unleashing a torrent of attacks on law enforcement at a pennsylvania rally. >> this egregious abuse of the law is going to produce a backlash

and they should never have been put on a truck and sent to mar-a-lago. and one of the things that they're doing is -- first of all, they're airing some of the former president's grievances saying that the fbi is biased against him and that's the reason why you need this third party. they may, by the way, succeed in that and get a third party to look at these documents. but one of the things that they're not confronting, john, and this is a serious thing, is the question of obstruction and the question of why when they got a subpoena, when the president personally got a subpoena in may to turn over all documents that are marked as classified, why those documents were not turned over immediately, which is what the subpoena ordered them to do. >> jennifer, help us walk through the issue that judge faces today through the context of the two filings especially the latest one the trump filing from last night. to evan's point it airs some grievances. "there's no guarantee the limited set of potentially privileged materials identified by the privilege review tea

he should have never had these documents at mar-a-lago. judge napolitano talking about he is guilty. andy mccarthy saying, you know, the feds have a pretty darn open and shut case against donald trump for obstruction. this is -- i think that's the -- that is the breaking news on what judge napolitano, karl rove, andy mccarthy, a lot of these other republicans are saying now. >> yeah. you as a great lawyer know that a charge of obstruction of justice requires establishing a motive. and if it is obvious that donald trump was trying to obstruct the investigation of what was at mar-a-lago and impede a legal proceeding, which is part of the official definition of obstruction of justice, he is in really bad trouble and deserves to be. you know, joe, if you and i were to think of something that would outrage an american conservative or most republicans, let's say, just ten years ago, i think we would have said that an american president took potential nuclear secrets, hi lists of cia agents took these things and at least raised the possibility th

it was trump's first since the search of his mar-a-lago compound. it was the only story making that front page of the morning newspaper there. nbc's monica albright is joining us with more on the attack. >> good afternoon, trump is no stranger to airing his grievances in any format. last i was no exception, he repeatedly railed against the department of justice fbi in a nearly two-hour speech calling them vicious monsters and suggesting that the ongoing criminal investigation into his handling of classified documents is clearly politically motivated. >> hello pennsylvania. former president trump back on the trail and back on offense on his first speech -- the shameful raid and breaking of my home in mar-a-lago was a travesty of justice. >> blasting the releasing a document recover last month. >> it was a disgrace, a disgrace, they went in and took documents. dumped them on the floor staged a photo shoot and pretended that i had done it. >> claiming that it extended to his teenage son's bedroom. >> they even did a deep and ugly search of the room of

there still stuff left at mar-a-lago. it may be the case those same sources are telling the fbi about other places that may have them. or they haven't told them such a thing. flexible me ask you since you both handled many documents. what kind of consequences would you face if you had kept sensitive documents like these in your possession and had not returned them or certified you had returned everything you had ever still found your possession? any thoughts about that? >> well, i would not be sitting here. neither one of us will be talking here with you. or if we were talking to would be from a room with bars around it. it is felony. >> absolutely. ask is there anything i think of sandy berger taking out sensitive documents years ago. i think he might have been disbarred and had some term before he was not in jail but i think he had community service or something. this is quite a few documents. do you see merrick garland going down this path to really dig into attempt to show the president is behind this specifically? >>

that trump could sell to a hostile government or terrorist or -- mar-a-lago. those are secrets that can be used by people who hate america, to kill our children. under the law, they are supposed to be in a national archives vault, under heavy guard, and not sitting around mar-a-lago with people -- >> it really feels like the parallels between what happened with nixon, a president intent on destroying records, and keeping things in a vault with only a single or two keys, the parallels between that and mar-a-lago are stunning and erie. michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian, thank you, as always, for your time and wisdom, michael. >> pleasure, love it, thank, you alex. >> still ahead on this hour, as soldiers in ukraine continued the fight to take back their country, i will talk to one of their own, ukrainian combat medic who is live here on set. that next, i will be joined by -- kareen jean pierre as president biden prepares to address the first in-person un general assembly in three years. i have a lot to ask. or stay with us. stay with us. my ment

nothing that is coming out of mar-a-lago these days surprises me anymore. nothing that comes out a of trumps mouth surprise me. i want to emphasize, everything they came out since the story first broke, this is not about donald trump and the prosecution, this is about national security. i think people are seeing more and more now, but potential issues that were at risk with these documents that were sitting down in a florida golf club somewhere. this means the focus is going to be on national security going forward. donald trump and a prosecution will be an outcome, but the focus on national security and if the washington post reporting is true, i have no reason to doubt that is not. >> there's even more serious issues floating around out there especially when you consider the right empty folders as well. we have a long way to go to look at this. >> let's talk about this, where do we go from here? let's say that russian now knows what the u.s. knows about their nuclear capabilities. then, clearly, they would be able to outsmart us in any sort of nuclear tra

he spoke with cnn earlier and offered this reaction to the fbi seizures at mar-a-lago. have a listen. >> well, as a citizen i would just ask the question where are the files? where did they go? and which ones of donald trump's friends in the united states or around the world might have them? but who knows. that whole investigation is completely apart, of course, from what we're doing in the january 6th select committee, which was impanelled under house resolution 503 to examine the events of january 6th and what led up to them and what we need to do to fortify american democracy in the future against coups and political violence and insurrection. what's interesting from watching afar what's going on in that investigation that you've been coffering is that it's all about whether donald trump may have exposed our national security secrets to damage and to impairment by hostile forces. well, of course, that's what we know he did on january 6th in unleashing an attempted coup and violent insurrection against the government of the united states in order to overturn the resul

new details about the fbi search at mar-a-lago. the "washington post" reports investigators seized a document on a foreign nation's military and nuclear capabilities. cnn has already been reporting that hundreds of those documents were classified. >>> and in the coming hours any truss will take part in her first questions in parliament, the truss transition comes as the economy faces crippling record inflation. we'll have much more on both these stories on cnn's "early start." >>> just hours ago, vladimir putin spoke at the country's eastern economic forum. in his address the russian president called out the west for what he believes is short sighted security and economic policies and played down moscow's own economic problems and the country's role in obstructing ukraine grain exports. clare sebastian is joining me now. is this is blame game. >> yes, we've heard it multiple times. he is stepping up the rhetoric saying that the west is in a crisis of its own making, that the inflation rates as a result of ukraine and he is obviousl

pablo: el fbi mostrÓ fotos alguno de los documentos secretos que trump tenÍa en mar—a—lago. varios estaban en el escritorio personal de trump. >> el expresidente ahora no va a poder reclamar que Él no sabÍa que habÍan documentos falsificados. pablo: trump afirma que habÍa desclasificado los documentos pero perto repone que si fuera asÍ, ya no aparecerÍa la palabra "secreto". " los documentos estÁn claramente identificados y su divulgaciÓn comprometerÍa la seguridad nacional" afirma este exagente de inteligencia. dice que vio en repetidas oportunidades a trump para entregar los documentos y su abogada firmÓ un documento declarando que ya no tenÍa ninguno, pero cuando el fbi allanÓ mar—a—lago encontrÓ mÁs. tampoco permitieron que el fbi accediera al sÓtano donde estÁn los documentos. el gobierno ha obtenido evidencia que los rÉcords del gobierno fueron probablemente escondidos y sacados del almacÉn, dice el documento legal del departamento de justicia. la obstrucciÓn de justicias un delito federal que conlleva 20 aÑos en la cÁrcel. sin embargo, el depa

either things mar-a-lago didn't turn up in the search. these have become questions that the archives to be asking. it is possible that some documents, they may not know were created, and were also destroyed. so the archives only knows what they know but donald trump created something with no record of it, and destroyed it and that should be an archives. they may never give that talk me back even though belongs to the people and not him. >> the national archives folks aren't sure who would be sure? >> -- let's remind our audience, we asked donald trump to return everything, he didn't. we asked for subpoenas, he didn't. and they said give you everything, back and they didn't, as we learn from the fbi search from mar-a-lago, turned up 100 classified documents. so who is it that can assure us that all the records have been returned? >> right, it's a troubling question. whether donald trump's lawyer we've negotiated perhaps in a good state at some point. top 20 months to get it back. obviously, when the fbi search mar-a-lago, they've found man

. >> in his first rally since the fbi searched mar-a-lago as part of an investigation into the harndzling of classified documents, the former president responded. >> republicans and the maga movement are not the ones trying to undermine our democracy. we are the ones trying to save our democracy. >> the committee investigating the january 6th assault on the capitol prepares its next move. we'll ask maryland congressman jamie raskin, a key democrat on the panel, what to expect. >>> voter turnout set records in 2018 and 2020. will new voting laws break the streak or sustain it? we'll hear from michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson. >>> we'll talk with former massachusetts governor and the former head of the justice department civil rights division, deval patrick. >>> plus, we'll ask two experts who study online extremism what can be done to combat the problem and whether fears of unrest around the midterms are warranted. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ ♪ >>> good morning, everyone. welcome to "face the nation." margaret is taking some time off. labor day typically mark

we are kicking things off with new details from an unsealed list of what the fbi seized from mar-a-lago. including 10,000 u.s. government documents, photographs without classification markets. meanwhile, a federal judge is still deciding whether she will appoint a special mask as the former presidents team has requested. plus, can you imagine not having clean water to drink, or even be the wait for six days? that is a reality jackson mississippi residents are living in. the president, for one of the largest -- in the country, jackson state university will be joining us today to tell us how his students are navigating this crisis. we also need to talk about president biden's warning on the threat to our democracy. and what history tells us about how this situation in america could play out. i am simone sanders thompson, and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we finally have new details about documents the fbi seized at mar-a-lago earlier last month. as part of an investigation into donald trump's potential violations of the espionage act and the presidential

and if you look at some of these examples it's mar-a-lago. there the new york attorney general's office says trump had valued that property at $739 million, when in fact she said the value was closer to $75 million. there's also a number of properties in new york and washington, d.c. as well as the hotel in las vegas. there letitia james in her lawsuit alleges that they undervalued that property in order to obtain a tax benefit. now, she also says she believed she found some examples of federal crimes being violated including specifically bank fraud. she said she was making a referral to the internal revenue service and the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york for them to potentially pick up that investigation. we reached out to both of those agencies. neither of them had any comment on whether they will look into these allegations, but she herself is seeking some pretty steep penalties, $250 million fine, a permanent ban on the former president and his three eldest children from doing any business or serving on a boar