mass. >> okay. thank you. it is all owned by those individual consumers throughout those 47 states, mr. chairman. >> also, i think we can all agree that the signing of the american clean energy and security act in 2009 is going bring about a profound change in the way that not only energy is generated in this country, but the way that we use energy in this country. it's going to change our lives and with that understanding, i hope that we can also recognize that we've got to be prepared for that kind of a dramatic change and the transmission system as it exists today was certainly not designed for this kind of change. in fact, it wasn't designed for the 1992 energy act with the deregulation on the wholesale level. so we're still trying to adjust to that. >> what we would suggest, mr. chairman, is that we need a sense of urgency here and we need transmission as a part of this act. it needs to be addressed as this act. as a result of that, we think there are some very basic principles that need to be

mass. and it is all owned by the individual consumers throughout the 47 states, mr. chairman. also i think we could all agree the signing of the american queen energy security act of 2009 is going to bring about a profound change in the way that not only energy is generated in the country but the way the we use energy in the country is going to change our lives. and with that understanding, i hope that we could also recognize that we have got to be prepared for that kind of dramatic change. the transmission system as it exists today was certainly not designed for this kind of change in fact it wasn't designed for the 1992 energy act with the deregulation of the wholesale level so we are still trying to adjust to that. what we would suggest, mr. chairman, is we need a sense of urgency. certainly we need transmission as a part of this act. it needs to be addressed in this and as a result of that, we think that there is very basic principles that need to be incorporated as you move forward wit

even as you were saying, you represent a 75% of the land mass in the united states. there is an ocean mass as well that is also up there. excuse me? that is what i am saying to you. i want to make sure they are able to go out into the ocean and have the incentive. we have to work out a fair formula. we will have to stick very close together over the next couple of weeks so we can have this conversation and reflect on what our national goals are with each state in each region and the history of each state in region. some are commonwealth's not even states which have their own traditions that might not follow the traditional federal lands act. i thank each of you. remainder of the hearing to congresswoman baldwin who will bring to it a close. thank you so much. >> i don't get to sit in this chair very often but i won't make you stay long just because i'm enjoying it. first, a quick comment and i'm not -- i'm construing or interpreting from some of mr. welch's testimony that there's some frustration with the planning occurring at the state level process. one of the thin

and even as the worst thing you represent 75% of all land mass of the united states. garrison ocean mass too that is also out there and we have to factor that-- excuse me? [inaudible] >> that is what i am saying to you. i want to make sure those close the co-ops are able to go into the ocean than have the incentive. we have to work at a fair formula so i thank each of you and we are going to have to stick very close together over the next couple of weeks so we can have this conversation and reflect what our national goals are but with each state, each region and the history of each state in region. states that are not even states, there, and wells, weathered the va or massachusetts have their own traditions in terms of what lands are sacred that might not follow the traditional federal lands act that have the same impact in terms with their relationship with the mr. red states. i'm going to turn over the remainder of the hearing to congresswoman who will bring it to a conclusion gut thank you very much. >> i don't get to sit in this chair very often but i won't make y

i come from a sparsely populated state, ten times the size of the state of massachusetts in land mass and has only 640,000 people living in it. we don't need the additional energy that would come from putting up wind turbines and collecting more energy from wind farms. we don't need in my state. but we need it in the load centers of this country. in order to get it there we need to build an interstate highway of transmission capability to produce energy where you can produce it and move it to where it is needed. we did this with highways in the 1950's. president eisenhower and the congress said, let's build an interstate highway system and they d in parts of rural areas one might say, well, how can you justify building four lanes between towns where very few people live? because you are connecting new york with seattle, that's why. that's what the interstate was about, connecting america. the same is true with respect to the need for transmission. what we have put in this legislation addresses the issues that have, so far, prevented us from building the transmission capability we need

i've been privileged to meet people all over this land, in a special kind of way you meet them when you are campaigning. they are not the masses or as the elitists would have it, the common man, they are very uncommon. individuals, each with his or her own hopes and dreams, plans and problems, and the kind of quiet courage that makes this whole country run better than just about any other place on earth. and that's why rationing is wrong, and that's why question as are wrong. because in fact they eliminate the very power of the individual -- question as are wrong. this -- quotas are wrong. >> this lead us to some profound commitments. having judges that understand that america that has driven god from the public square will no longer be the america that has extended freedom and prosperity for 400 years. understand that individual rights and responsibilities are at the heart of our system, that there are no quotas and no group identities in the american system. understanding that at cape henry, where english-speaking settlers first came, they erected a cross as their first act in order t

saying we don't need another one on land, we are doing it offshore and we have license them. up until this time they have been saying you are going to have another one in massachusetts. even that decision itself could affect the amount of renewals that we need. notwithstanding the fact that natural gas maybe half in its use as cold it is not nearly as good as renewable. it is not going to affect the market place. the ferchas been pressing that for 5 years. that calls into question the federal, out 1-size-fits-all process, where even when the state is saying back off, this is what you are going to have 4 new england. how do we reconcile that? >> mr. chairman, i am not suggesting a 1-size-fits-all process. i am suggesting that f.e.r.c. has the primary and initial responsibility with access to of permitting, states the given the initial opportunity in this regard, and that opportunity should be given all the tools necessary to succeed. >> are there other members who wish to ask questions of this panel? >> one more big question. i appreciate the chairman asking our witnesses to m

in 1967, arab forces massed against israel surrounding the tiny nation. the egyptian president sicked them out which acted as a buffer. the world watched hundreds of thousands of troops tried to quote, drive israel into the sea. the unexpected brilliance of the israeli military stopped the aggression in all directions and israel was secure for a moment. as a result of that war for survival, israel fairly won land, the sinai, west bank and gaza. everywhere else in the world, territory in self defense was returned in the context of a negotiated peace. israel has never been fully afforded that negotiated peace. israelis have returned land time and time again when a peaceful settlement was reached. soon they may run out of land to give away. in the camp david accords, israel returned the sinai to egypt in return for a peace territory. jordan and syria have similar agreements. israeli jews should leave or not be allowed to have natural expansion of their own communities. this should be negotiated between the israeli government and the palestinians. the united