that is not donald rumsfeld into the as 11. that is donald rumsfeld in 1984. book "94" fictional fiction also had a veiled threat. -- "1984" also had a veiled threat. in 1979, a time entitled "islam, the militant revival." you note the precision. your position remains controversial and i hope you have a chance to discuss it. one theme is the importance for clear, strategic thinking and the difficulty that that has posed for america. a second related theme touches on the all too common in perfections of our interagency process -- all-too-common imperfections of our interagency process. both interagency and inter- departmental problems. your observations in this realm are, sadly, as you know, not new. you could well have cited sources even before your era. preeminent cold war historian yale john steward guess said that kennedy's strategy broke down because it did nothing to prevent the subordination of strategic interest to those of the organization implementing the strategy. large bureaucracies all too often develop their own institutional momentum, making them

away you think that donald rumsfeld you know you think that dick cheney. really really had to. lie to get rid of saddam hussein his second wife to build a hold of that. good morning. i just you closer to meeting of my national security council. we were viewed what i discussed with my friend president vladimir putin over the course of many meetings. many months. and that is the new. for america. to move beyond the one thousand seventy two. anti-ballistic missile treaty. when george w. bush became president immediately he gave six months notice to russia that we are pulling out united states is pulling out of the a.b.m. treaty anti-ballistic missile treaty that limited the united states's ability to test and deploy anti-satellite weapons so-called missile defense systems and other space technology at the pentagon today a warning that space will become the next big battleground to meet the challenge difference are three donald rumsfeld is making space a top pentagon priority putting a four star general at the head of a new air force space command to take charge of all military spa

answer, donald rumsfeld. he is not in washington. answer, that is right. i got a reputation for being smart instead of lucky. i have no idea what was going on. richard nixon had been reelected by one of the biggest margins in the history of the country. he won every state in the union except massachusetts and the district of columbia. no one could imagine that i would want -- that i would want to be away from that as opposed to in the middle of it but we took our family and went to belgium and had a wonderful experience representing our country overseas. >> host: gerald ford becomes president after the knicks and resignation. your friend and colleague in the house. e came in saying he wanted to fashion spokes of the wheel everyone would report directly to the president. you were brought in after a month when that was not working very well. it has been said people who worked for president ford were impressed that presidential power -- did you see signs of that? >> guest: gerald ford was a legislator. he was a minority leader. he functioned on the spokes of

for today's book forum on the publication of former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld's "known and unknown: a memoir." i'm ken weinstein, president and c.e.o. of hudson institute, and i'm delighted you could be with us here today. i'd also like to welcome our viewers on c-span's "book tv," as well as our distinguished panel of experts. secretary rumsfeld is well-known around these parts. he's been a friend of hudson institute for more than four decades. he's known our founder quite well and was and has been the recipient of our james h. doolittle award for contributions of america's national security. it's an honor to welcome you back to hudson, sir. this year, hudson institute celebrates a half century of forward-looking an lytic policy research. -- analytic policy research. hudson institute was founded in 1961 because they saw a need for a more publicly engaged think tank. they developed an organization that would think creatively about how to achieve a better future while avoiding what they termed unthinkable threats, and they would draw on the creativity of scholars to help sha

that is not donald rumsfeld into the as 11. that is donald rumsfeld in 1984. or will's fictional book "94" also had a veiled threat. -- "1984" also had a veiled threat. in 1979, a time entitled "islam, the militant revival." you note the precision. your position remains controversial and i hope you have a chance to discuss it. one theme is the importance for clear, strategic thinking and the difficulty that that has posed for america. a second related theme touches on the all too common in perfections of our interagency process -- all-too-common imperfections of our interagency process. both interagency and inter- departmental problems. your observations in this realm are, sadly, as you know, not new. you could well have cited sources even before your era. preeminent cold war historian yale john steward guess said that kennedy's strategy broke down because it did nothing to prevent the subordination of strategic interest to those of the organization implementing the strategy. large bureaucracies all too often develop their own institutional momentum, making th

rumsfeld and if you read them you get sickened by them among all the documents we find a story a story has its beginning in the fall of two thousand and two they have a problem at guantanamo the prisoners have stopped talking and the old methods don't seem to be effective anymore. now they want to interrogate for a twenty hour session remove prisoners clothes let them stand naked in uncomfortable positions. where. they also want permission under medical supervision to lower the temperatures in interrogation rooms. and take advantage of prisoners phobia. for example the prisoners fear of dogs. so here you have our search area of the fence authorizing the use of dogs and of course the word full b. is particularly interesting because that has to do with. the. elitist there are muslims the dogs around clearly would later happens in the interrogation. when the new methods are implemented only the prisoners know and their interrogators the problem is that the interrogators at guantanamo don't give interviews with one exception tauren nelson.

there was one particular moment in the runup to the iraq war which deeply hurt us and that's when donald rumsfeld stood up, parliament having to approve an act of war, and he said, this is after 10,000 british troops have been amassed in kuwait, he said, we don't need you guys. and we felt deeply hurt. what do you mean, you don't need news is chris: i wouldn't generalize that behavior. >> but the point is we need you to basically -- we're a little bit like the prom queen last year, trying to carry favor with the court. chris: despite the special relationship there are big differences. of course class rigidity is chief. the highest levels of british education were once the reserve of the upper classes but andrew, andrew sullivan, who comes from a middle class background, made it to oxford. i want to show you a clitch "history boys." here are these middle class boys being tutored so they can write their way into oxford or cambridge. >> has anybody been to rome or venice? florence? no. because the upper candidates would have been and they'll have done course on what they've seen there most

donald rumsfeld has taken the opposite approach. he has put together all the documentation, laid out his case in a very cogent fashion. while we can argue parts of it today, i think it really adds to our understanding of what happened during the time when i was there and trying to figure it out. >> thank you. anybody who has a question and wants to write it down on the card, you can raise it and our colleague, whose hand is up in the back, he will see raising a card and come and retrieve it from you and pass it forward. scooter, please. >> thank you. it is nice to be here. i particularly enjoyed the staff in this opportunity. it seems a rare opportunity. doug showed too much enthusiasm, my cell. >> there is a tomorrow. >> it is an unexpected pleasure to be here with the bush 43 pentagon crowd and their groupie. [laughter] >> i will get to later for that. >> i say unexpected pleasure because the person who should be here is my former boss, president bush. -- vice-president cheney. as many of you know, secretary rumsfeld gave vice-pre

rumsfeld is making space a top pentagon priority putting a four star general at the head of a new air force space command to take charge of all military space activity including any new anti missile defense pay careful attention to protecting and promoting our interest in space pentagon officials say is the first step toward eventually putting weapons into space. the united states is the leader of the search and development of space weapons possible secret and in the black budgets of the pentagon these covert programs cost many billion dollars a. month technology has benefit from this financing. starfire has been used primarily in the past to do research on satellite tracking also they've done a lot of work in astronomy with range finding of stars he use the laser to be able to help tell you where the star is and how far away. in the budget documents from the air force there's also been mention of the use of star fire for anti satellite weapons. the air force told congress that it had no intentions of using starfire for anything related to you and he sell it weapons however they are d

secretary of defense donald rumsfeld famously referred to as the unknown unknowns in international security. perhaps other also existing genuine but publicly unacknowledged fear of the dead rising from the grave and feasting upon the living at major universities and police department have developed lots contingency plans for a zombie outbreak at an increasing number of college students applying human versus a zombie to relieve stress. or perhaps to refer for the inevitable army of the undead. outdoor "life" magazine is running some began features. by a securities and new impaired among national governments are the government of haiti has on the books to prevent this obligation of individuals. want to speculate these governments are doing in private. one must beware of overstating the case. flesh eating ghouls are not only paranormal phenomenon to spark interest. over the past decade aliens, ghosts, vampires, wizards, witches and hobbits were also on the tip of everyone's tongue. for some of the specter of zombies pale to some. from a public policy perspective zombies have greater attention

rumsfeld's concept of anticipatory self-defense with strong rhetoric and talk of the need for war makes americans think might know saddam hussein is about to attack as are some of bin laden in a little cave now in afghanistan is about to overthrow the government because politicians and the defense department it's weight that fear and when they do the defense contractors win big. now a handful of lawmakers are calling this seemingly endless cycle into question both republicans who spent a trillion dollars in iraq that was a trillion dollars of waste and democrats we're going to have health care for all or we can have war. we can ever education for all. we're going to war the budget bill before the house this week calls for the complete elimination of mortgage counselors those people that help the five million americans facing foreclosures the price tag the same as funding eight hours of u.s. operations in afghanistan a four hundred million dollars cut in heating assistance for low income homeowners the cost of one and a half days of the war in afghanistan and a five hundred million dolla

answer, donald rumsfeld. statement, but he's not in washington. and sir, that's right. [laughter] he and i got a reputation for being smart instead of lucky. to richard nixon had been reelected by one of the biggest margins in the history of the country. he won every state in the union accept massachusetts in the district of columbia. no one could imagine that i would want to get away and i would want to be away from that as opposed to in the middle of it but we took our family and went to belgium and we have a truly wonderful experience representing our country overseas. >> and gerald ford becomes president after the resignation and your great friend and colleague in the house in the 1960's. he said he wanted a staff at the wheel everyone would report that the president. your body after month he thought that wasn't working very well. it's been said a lot people that worked for president ford were very much impressed with the fact the presidential power. did you see signs of that? >> gerald ford was a legislator and he was a minority leader and function on the spokes of

something else too and we have to go back to really just after nine eleven and you saw this through donald rumsfeld the former secretary of defense where you started seeing more of a militarization of the intelligence community even to even state department too but the idea of bringing somebody like tray as into the agency really drives them closer in that direction to essentially being something at the hip with the d.o.d. be now there is a benefit to that and there is a detriment to that because frequently right now what you have nothing but intelligence that students driven for the purpose of giving the military what they want you miss a lot of the other advantages and requirements that the intelligence community really has and that's really to provide intelligence to a lot of these lawmakers in washington and if all they're doing is essentially giving targeting and giving a site selection it doesn't really do all the other things the intelligence community may need so we have to be really careful and keep our eyes on that one too but how much of the intelligence do you think of a trace

that is not donald rumsfeld into the as 11. -- in 2011. that is donald rumsfeld in 1984. or will's fictional book "94" also had a veiled threat. -- "1984" also had a veiled threat. -- a real world a threat. in 1979, a time entitled "islam, the militant revival." you note the precision. your position remains controversial and i hope you have a chance to discuss it. one theme is the importance for clear, strategic thinking and the difficulty that that has posed for america. a second related theme touches on the all too common in perfections of our interagency process -- all-too-common imperfections of our interagency process. both interagency and inter- departmental problems. your observations in this realm are, sadly, as you know, not new. you could well have cited sources even before your era. preeminent cold war historian yale john steward guess said that kennedy's strategy broke down because it did nothing to prevent the subordination of strategic interest to those of the organization implementing the strategy. large bureaucracies all too often develop their own institu

answer, donald rumsfeld. statement, but he's not in washington. and sir, that's right. [laughter] he and i got a reputation for being smart instead of lucky. to richard nixon had been reelected by one of the biggest margins in the history of the country. he won every state in the union accept massachusetts in the district of columbia. no one could imagine that i would want to get away and i would want to be away from that as opposed to in the middle of it but we took our family and went to belgium and we have a truly wonderful experience representing our country overseas. >> and gerald ford becomes president after the resignation and your great friend and colleague in the house in the 1960's. he said he wanted a staff at the wheel everyone would report that the president. your body after month he thought that wasn't working very well. it's been said a lot people that worked for president ford were very much impressed with the fact the presidential power. did you see signs of that? >> gerald ford was a legislator and he was a minority leader and function on the spokes of

all the interest is the indirect attempt to get a cognitive grip on what donald rumsfeld famously referred to as the unknown unknowns of international security perhaps there existed unacknowledged sphere of the debt arising from the grave major universities have developed mont contingency plans for these on the outbreak and college students play human verses on these -- zombies on campus. outdoor "life" magazine runs zombies features the only way to take the amount is with a head shot and file security with the national government the government has laws on the books for the zombies of the individuals. were they doing a private? we may be over state -- overstating the case this must be the only phenomenon. over the past decade aliens ghost vampires wizards and how this were also on the tip of rebalanced on. zombies pales in comparison to other creatures. from a public policy perspective zombies great -- garner more attention with the contrast that they are demons although some of variation could exist in our physical world they possess possibility that wizard circles to work demons lack it

rumsfeld, the secretary of defense, should be held accountable in an international court for the iraqi invasion? >> it doesn't have to be an international court but there has to be a process of investigation. there has to be a due process of who is accountable for all these hundreds of thousands of life that has been pulverized, charlie, on the basis of an act of deception. yes, i'm saying that. >> rose: but as you know, other administrations in our history, including the clinton administration, have said that they believe that saddam hussein had nuclear weapons. so they, too, were deceived by erroneous information. r. >> right, and that exactly proves my point, that president bush could have been deceived by erroneous information, but should be has to be held accountable, whether intelligence, whether hose who made decisions on deceptive information, i don't know. all i am say, charlie, is somebody in the chain of command has to be held accountable, both in the u.s. and in the umpd k., and all these countries who joined in majing an illegal war that resulted in war crimes. >> rose: yo

what should a historian write about donald rumsfeld second time at the pentagon. >> i'd give it 10-20 years. [laughter] i think perspective is good. journalists like to think that they write the first draft of history. i don't know that i'd use the word history with that first draft. i served a lot of years in government, and now i've been out for four, and i debated whether i should write a short book in a year and use my memory or whether i should digitize this incredible archive i've accumulated over my lifetime and start inviting people in to discuss the phases of my life and the events i'm involved in and if you look in the acknowledgement section, i don't know how many people are listed there, but it's many, many dozens and we'd talk and transcribe, go back to the records, and i said if i have that archive, why shouldn't we digitize and see if we can't make it available to the reader. i'm told maybe for the first time we not only are going to be held availability e-book, electronic book is what that means i'm told. [laughter] didn't use to have those when i was a kid. [laughter]

and as i was saying, donald rumsfeld book is very much, i'm glad it's published and i think you are also. the book is on mr. rumsfeld's entire life but let me give a talk about iraq and then look backwards. great deal of the book is about iraq. i guess maybe the way to get in this country we are in the constitution center, which is passed by a statue of james madison any of the room. as you know, madson gave a lot of thought to war and what president should do and how often americans should get into a. if he came back, and just ask you to tell why do we go to war in iraq, what would you say? >> the answer would be that the congress of the united states passed a resolution, overwhelmingly, favoring regime change in iraq in the 1990s i an overwhelming vote. and signed by president clinton. the united nations issued some 17 different resolutions, advising iraq that they should conform to the resolutions, the request of the u.n. security council, to allow the inspectors into the country, to provide inspectors the information on the weapons of mass destruction. and the united nations have bee

if you look at, if you look at the statement that donald rumsfeld made, it is quoted in the preface in my book on soft power. he followed me at a keynote speaker at an army conference after he up in the morning speaker and one of the general said what about soft power? he said i don't know what it means. robert gates, secretary of defense come even when it is serving in the bush of administration in 2007, gave a speech saying we need to invest more in our soft power and it may be odd for a secretary of defense to plead for more resources from the state department but that is what i'm saying. so there is a big change just in the process of what administration as you have seen a change in personnel and then what gates and hillary clinton worked together in this administration. there has been a surprising comitie of a willingness to have stayed in defense of work together. it takes a long time that she changed the course of the supertanker. government bureaucracies don't change quickly and particularly when you have 435 hands on the wheel which is congress, given the case i gave you a min

if you look at -- if you look at the statement that donald rumsfeld made, if it is quoted in the preface to my book on soft power, he followed me as a keynote speaker at an army conference after i've been mourning speaker. one of the general said what about soft power about soft parties as i don't know what it means. robert gates, secretary of defense, when he was serving the bush administration in 2007 gave a speech saying we need to invest more in our soft power. and it may be odd for secretary of defense to plea for more resources for state department, but that's what i'm saying. so there's a big change just in the process of one administration, as you've seen the change in personnel. and then when gates and hillary clinton worked together in this administration, there's been a surprising comedy of a willingness to have state and defense worked closely together. it takes a long time though to change the course of the supertanker. government bureaucracies don't change quickly. and particularly when you have 435 hands on the wheel, which is congress. given, remember the case i gave you

donald rumsfeld said that we have an enemy on september 10, 2001. the enemy was the pentagon bureaucracy. they stole the money. a lot of the money goes back in the face of the people of the united states. guest: i will have to look that up. the annual budget for the pentagon is not even $one trillion -- $1 trillion. host: $600 billion. guest: i know all departments in defense are working on savings, absolute. and we need to look at all those departments to see what can be changed to reduce some spending. that is where we have to be looking across the board. here's the truth. we need to be adults about this. i go back to comments about being mean to kids about telling the truth. when i was a psychologist, dealing with a tragedy or with serious problems in the home, sometimes the role of the doctor is to say, we have to face this problem. we cannot pretend it is going away. of theot taking care source of the pain. i know this will require some differences. half of americans pay taxes and half do not. those who cannot, we should be helping. those who w

. >> todd, donald rumsfeld on this new book, telling his role in the bush administration. you'll hear about his decision making during 9/11 and its strategy on the wars in iraq and afghanistan. >> we talked about all the things that could go bad. women not find weapons of mass destruction. it was right there. sent to the president and nsc members. i was on a program with all raleigh -- o'reilly. wonderful idea. lustily enemy every single thing we might have a problem with so they can go about doing it. that is not the kind of thing you tell the press or talk about public. there is a list of page after page of things that's people in the government thought about. that was circulated and people were worried about. >> watch this discussion tonight at 8:00 p.m. on c-span. tonight, a discussion on race in america. griffonear from will and spike lee as a joint a panel of journalists to talk about media coverage of minorities. >> a you say you cannot get enough footage to make the case this was -- are you saying you cannot get enough footage to make the case this is a racist orga

[inaudible conversations] >> tonight on c-span, former defense secretary donald rumsfeld on his new book detailing the role of the ford and bush administrations. you'll hear about his decision making during 9/11 and his strategies on the wars in iraq and afghanistan. >> we talked about what are all the things that can go bad? one was we may not find weapons of mass destruction. i mean it was right there written, sent to the nfc members and president. we thought about those things. i was on a program with o'ryely and he said why didn't you tell us the things that might go wrong. oh, wonderful idea, but let's tell the enemy every conceivable thing we think we might have a problem with so they can get about doing it. no, we didn't -- that's not the kind of thing you tell the press or talk about publicly, but there's a list of, oh, i don't know, page after page that thing that doug and other people in the government talked about, thought about and that was circulated and people were worried about. >> watch this discussion from the hudson institute tonight at 8 p.m. eastern on c-span. tonight

this did not start with the democrats, donald rumsfeld started making a campaign about waste on the defense side. it was a very biased approach and we did not take it very seriously. on the first question, if we come to an agreement, things will work out. the house has this 72 hours rules. you might say that tonight is it. >> they will not on this. >> if we come to an agreement, the procedural stuff will work its way out. >> you mentioned that the democrats would keep the majority. what are the 23 to the races that you see that will be crucial? >> i will give you an outline instead of picking two or three. >> these are your babies. these are the class that came in when you were the chairman. >> they are a fabulous group of people. they are amazing. let me just say this, i think we will keep the senate and i will give you my analysis which answers your question. you look at it in macro, 23 democrats, five democratic requirements, it will be next to impossible. let's start with each group. the five democratic retirements, north dakota will be tough. connecticut, new mexico, hawaii, and virgin

he was fired because donald rumsfeld and president bush did not want it to be known that it would cost well over a trillion. the third thing they did was to create a drug benefit that was entirely and paid for. that took the record projected surplus and turned it into a record deficit. on top of that, we have a great recession. revenue goes down, in fact it plummeted from 21 present site of gdp to 16%. -- from 21% to 1 6%. that is automatic. those things had a double whammy on tops of the structural deficits that the bush administration and republican majorities in congress consciously entered into. they knew what they were doing, and they did it. instead of paying down the federal debt, we are burdened with historic high debts that have to be addressed. host: in this chart goes back to the year 2000. actually 1996. the federal debt ceiling 5.95 trillion dollars. today 14.3 trillion is the debt ceiling. virginia, huntsville, alabama up. caller: thank god for c-span, for repinank gofd column away -- rep connolly. i want to thank president obama for not cutting the medicare and medicaid

we would need a carefully thought out occupation strategy that donald rumsfeld did not agree with and did not do. we did not have plans for how to employ the iraqi army. the iraqi army was disbanded. he told these people who are armed, go home and keep your guns. there is no place for you in the new iraq. president bush acquiesced with this decision without questioning it. as a result of that decision, the president fails to fundamentally rethink how we were doing the iraq war and how to change it. for those unforced errors, things that president bush should have, could have as question about, ultimately made the iraq war a fiasco. had it gone well, had we done the occupation welcome we could have made iraq into a democracy with little bloodshed and it could have led an era in the middle east. it did not happen. i think president bush deserves a lot of the blame for it not happening. i will leave it at that. [applause] >> thank you, bob. now we have the pleasure of welcoming someone home. he is currently associate professor at -- she is currently associate professor at duke. she went

donald rumsfeld lives in this guy's home. that was in the "washington post." so what i'm saying is we have these neoconfederates. i'm beginning to wonder who won the war. i came up in the car yesterday by the national archive and robert lee's picture is just as big as lincoln's. and i guess when we get more tea party in there, it will be larger. but anyway, we have these people and i think as an african-american and being acquainted with the african-american tradition i can read the signs, i can read the language and i can decode things. so when senator demint wanted to bring barack obama, i knew exactly what that meant. and i want to say on behalf of the south that the south is 50 years ahead on the media. in the terms of personnel, the percentage of african-american personnel -- if you go to ole miss, which is i think that's where faulkner was, it was like the deep south. these are people segregation. there's the highest percentage of black enrollment in ole miss. and georgia is one of the five states with the highest number of black officials. if you go to

it's called misery, or donald rumsfeld lives in that home now. it was in the "washington post". what i'm saying now is what we have is like these neoconfederates. i'm beginning to wonder who won the war. i came up in the car yesterday by the national archives, and robert lee's picture is the biggest. lincoln, and i guess more tea party people in there and it will be larger, but, anyway, we have these people, and i think as an african-american and being acquainted with the african-american oil tradition, i can read the signs. i can read the language and decode things, so when senator mint said he wanted to bring barak obama, i knew exactly what that meant, and i want to say on behalf of the south that the south is 50 years ahead of the media. in the terms of our personnel and percentage of african-american personnel, if you go to ole miss, it's like the deep south, people who faced segregation forever, the highest percentage of black enrollment at ol' miss and the highest number of black officials, but in the media, you don't have that diversity. >> host: what's the tie in with b