we were just talking to erin mcpike, we've been talking to other reporters throughout the day. sort of going around to the various tents and checking things out. they don't sense the same level of enthusiasm at the pawlenty tent as they do, say, at michele bachmann. do you get any sense within the campaign that they're worried right now? >> well, i just spoke to one of their campaign -- the campaign manager and he said this is what they expected. now, whether or not this is a little bit lower, higher, it's hard to tell because it's ames straw poll is such a unique process. it's really hard to gauge how people are doing, where people stand, but comparatively, the pawlenty people are -- they're organized, they are here. they're trying to make themselves known. but they still, you can tell today, just like the past few weeks of the campaign, they are trying to get out of that michele bachmann shadow. and it's not clear if they're able to do that yet. >> we're seeing all those folks that you were talking about with those green shirts, and there they are, filing into that auditorium