still with me is bob franken, wade henderson, be joy-ann reid, and lizz winstead. that is not a small point. the line is shorter. if you are a political entrepreneur young elected official, the fact that the line is shorter on the republican side than the democrats. >> and i saw the list. every republican star you could think of was on it. mia love, roger inis. the irony is, very few are members of the naacp. so he brought people that would normally not even be there. they brought in as many as they could scoop up, including the lieutenant governor of florida. >> it's a little bit unfair, i believe, to dismiss black republicans because conservatism, the many, many aspects of conservatism are arguable points. and just to say -- i'm not even going to use the term but you know the term that they are being in there for reasons of catering to the whites and all that, i believe is really -- >> no, i don't disagree, bob. but i want to draw a distinction between black republicans who are rank and file supporters of the republicans both historic and contemporary, between th