. >> kevin: does that smile say it all? is that just terrific to see that kid have a 49 yard catch and a touch down. nothing beats being their live. prime sport can get you there with great packages. visit primesport.com today. work and toil on that practice squad, and now you come up and you get to create some competition. >> joe: that ball got tipped to give you an idea of his concentration. that was zero to 60 in a heart beat. >> kevin: and to keep your concentration, not bad. mccoy back to get this kick off, rackers to boot, and mccoy to run it. and brian keel is there to make the tackle. antwaan? >> antwaan: thanks, we saw the flaw by robinson, last season he had a problem keeping his eyes on the ball and hauling the ball in. this ball was tipped and he said he has been working on it and some of the players comment on making him making an easey catch and a hard catch. you saw the acceleration after he had it, and it was a game changing play for the washington redskins. >> kevin: and a hand off to kahlil bell. robinson

our conversation with kevin costner. starting this monday, may 28, you can catch his latest project, a three-night, six- hour miniseries for the history channel. it is called "hatfields & mccoys." before we jump back into our conversation, here now another scene from "hatfields & mccoys." chanl. since there are so many actors, a-list actors in fact, who are finding comfortable spaces on television to tell stories now, what is it about this particular miniseries that you think works well in this format that might not have worked so well as a movie? >> well, you can tell right awayit is not just the hatfields and mccoys. it is my uncles, it is my aunts, you know, it is my children. tavis: right. >> so we were able to create a real community to try to understand how this thing actually happened. what most people do not know, west virginia and kentucky were ready to go to war over these two families. tavis: the governors got involved. that is how serious it is, yes. >> the hatfields were in west virginia and said you cannot

it's a little present from kevin and me. ugh! not so tight! and here's the title to the car, and i paid for the car insurance. well... i'm just speechless. you... speechless? kevin, when's the last time your sister was speechless? not in a long time. so are we going for a ride? what do you think? it's perfect. my first car. i can't believe it! so? rebecca: get in! ( engine starts ) this car is great, dad, but i bet you spent a fortune on it. not really. i got a good deal. try the horn. ( horn honking ) it's got a good radio and tape deck-- everything a musician needs on a long trip. look at that view, huh? i'm going to miss this place. sure you are. boston's been your home for 28 years. when i think about leaving, i get butterflies in my stomach. you'll be fine. yeah, you'll be o.k. i hope so. ( mumbling ) you're talking to yourself. it's an old habit. boy, you have a lot of bags. maybe i shouldn't take all this stuff. well, bt what if i need it? i hope we can fit all these suitcases into the car. we have to! oh, i have some things to show you

bigger picture discussion beyond fukushima last month an in-depth conversation with paul gunter and kevin camps of beyond nuclear we discussed a variety of challenges in the nation of japan and the fukushima nuclear plant still face and we touched on the role nuclear power still has in the world despite its obvious health and safety concerns here is our bigger picture discussion beyond fukushima. on the afternoon of march eleventh two thousand and eleven a massive nine point zero earthquake struck just off the main island of japan rattling that nation to its core nestled on the east coast of japan not too far from the epicenter of that quake was the fukushima daiichi nuclear plant that was six nuclear reactors three of which weren't designed to handle an earthquake of that magnitude better to the ground started shaking reactors one two and three at the plant went into automatic shutdown reactors four five and six were already shut down for inspection the main power source to keep the reactors cool the electric grid was knocked out by the earthquake so thirteen emergency diesel generators

kevin was talking about believing in free enterprise system. the president absolutely believes in free enterprise system. what mitt romney has promised is the deregulation of wall street, the deregulation of the private sector, we saw how that turned out. taxpayers had to bail out the private sector because of the reckless behavior. that's what mr. romney is trying to do. they talked about unshackling the finance industry. the vice president was playing off of that word. the central point of what the vice president was saying, is crucial in this election, do we want everyone playing by the same set of rules? or do we want to unshackle the wall street? >> i want to talk about medicare now, kevin, medicare has become a huge issue in the race and congressman ryan was in the battle ground state of florida yesterday. here's clip from that appearance. >> the president raided 7$716 billion from the medicare program to pay for the obama care program. here, is what mitt romney and i will do. we will end the raid of medicare. >> kevin, that's paul ryan p

kevin was talking about believing in free enterprise system. the president absolutely believes in the free enterprise system. but we also believe that everyone should play by the same set of rules. what mitt romney has promised is the deregulation of wall street, the deregulation of the private sector, we saw how that turned out. taxpayers had to bail out the private sector because of the reckless behavior. we don't want to go back there. but that's what mr. romney is trying to do. speaker boehner and others talked about unshackling the finance industry. the vice president was playing off of that word. the central point of what the vice president was saying, is critical in this election, do we want everyone playing by the same set of rules? or do we want to unshackle the financial sector and let them do what they did in the last decade, have taxpayers bail them out again? >>> i want to talk about medicare now, kevin, medicare has become a huge issue in the race and congressman ryan was in the battleground state of florida yesterday. here's a cl

our conversation with kevin costner. starting this monday, may 28, you can catch his latest project, a three-night, six- hour miniseries for the history channel. it is called "hatfields & mccoys." before we jump back into our conversation, here now another scene from "hatfields & mccoys." >> witness on the old bill of sale. 59. somehow, he got himself buried in 1957. do you recall that? >> it may be a victim of a fraud. this obviously changes things, mr. hatfield. we renounce claims to the timberlands on your lands and apologize for putting forward an invalid claims. you deserve to be compensated, and you shall be. $22 a year. what do you want, mr. hatfield? >> you went to have all that is mine, so i must be entitled to have all that is yours, at least would you inherited from your daddy. >> that is 5,000 acres. >> do not hardly much what the land, just the timber rights. tavis: this is like a reunion for a few of you guys from the "wyatt earp" movie. >> that is right. occasionally, you get to bump up against, you know,

kevin? >> the oecd, which is an organization that studies large, developed nations, just did a big study to try to identify how big the policy challenges facing the nations around the world are. and they estimated something called the fiscal adjustment this is -- which is the change in policy necessary to make it so the debt to gdp doesn't explode out into no man's land, you know, enough to destroy the country. and the fiscal adjustment for greece that they need which is either the immediate tax increase or the immediate reduction in spending necessary to make it so that their economy doesn't just explode is about 3% of gdp. so they would have to, you know, which is a pretty big adjustment. they'd have to east increase their -- either increase their taxes by 3% or cut spending by that. the oecd estimate for the united states is that we would have to have a fiscal adjustment of 8%. our policies are far worse than greece. if somebody says, you know, i think we're kind of like greece, then my a

the end that spent fuel pool of at the top and you know four is still there kevin. the the building is. listening. is that the word yeah and has been since almost the beginning of the catastrophe so it's described as listing the new york times last week called it tilting there's actually two bulges on the walls the exterior walls of the building which is not a good sign despite all of this tokyo electric power company assures everybody everything's fine except when a high level government minister went there at the end of may it was disconcerting that he said to the crowd that we're following him around in radiation suits all this is a good structure it's good up to a six point zero earthquake well that's not what's being discussed what's being discussed is the ninety percent probability that there will be a seven point zero earthquake in the next three years at that site could bring the whole building down that waste could go up in flames more of tonight's bigger picture conversation beyond fukushima right after this break. that just burned right right i mean it's

what about kevin? what about us? kevin's almost 18. he can take care of himself. and with a little help from him you'll be fine, too. this is my big chance. so, what do you want from me? i... ( sighs ) nothing. just your approval. you want my approval? no way. what? n-o. no way. that's it? end of conversation? what do you want me to say, that i'm thrilled? i gave you my opinion, but you don't care. but dad, this is something i really want to do. there's a lot i want to do, too. but you don't always get what you want in this world. rebecca: but i'm not going forever. i'll call. i'll visit. visit? who's going to pay for that? i will. and where are you going to live out there? rebecca, do you know how expensive it is to live on your own? yes, i do. i have a place to stay. i dot understand. rent free. where? at nancy shaw's. that woman! were's my cane? i know you don't like nancy but she is my godmother. does your brother know about this? not yet. i'm going to bed. that school in san francisco accepted you? yeah. gave me financial aid, too. so what are you going to do

kevin, good to see you as always. kevin hassett, a romney economic advisor. david gerg gergen, thank you. >>> coming up, thousands of pink slips going out days before the election. why it could happen just as the economic storm approaches. meineke's personal pricing on brakes. i tell mike what i can spend. i do my best to make that work. we're driving safely. and sue saved money on brakes. now that's personal pricing. >>> i've been telling you about the fiscal cliff we are head ed over in congress refuses to act. one rocky area of the cliff is the so-called sequester, which is a stupid name for a stupid thing. $1.2 trillion in automatic spending cuts over ten years. half will come from defense including $55 billion alone next year. jobs will be lost. possibly more than a million defense-related jobs next year. most of them, by the way, are not government jobs. the bulk of the pink slips come from private contractors hired by uncle sam. i don't know if the number is right. but let's say it's in the ballpark. that would be equivalent, take a look at the red bar

kevin falls to the floor. he thought he was dead, so he went back in to deal with kathy. >> kevin woke up. he was not dead. struggled with this guy. he's shot in the head again, this time in the face. went back to assaulting kathryn. >> kevin gets up, makes his way to the front door and starts staggering down the street screaming for help. at that point, he panics and instead of strangling kathy, he stabs her several times, and then picks up his paraphernalia that he had brought with him and left the scene. >> kevin bright calls the police. when they arrive at the scene, kathryn is clinging to life, but a few hours later, she dies in the hospital. kevin survives his injuries. investigators do not immediately connect kathryn bright's murder with the otero family killings. >> the m.o. was different. she wasn't strangled. all the evidence that was there was gathered, but there was nothing there that would tie it to the previous murders. we received, obviously, hundreds and hundreds of tips to follow up on, and, o

tavis: kevin costner's band, for those who do not know -- i know kevin costner and modern west. how did you come up with that one, modern west? >> that was the worst part of this whole musical thing for me coming back into music. there's one moment where we're playing and they wanted to pay us a little money to play -- quite a bit of money actually. finally, they said, "well, you need a name." i thought, "a what?" "you need a name." tavis: a band has to have a name, man. [laughs] >> there i was as an adult with my friends trying to think of a name for this band. it was probably one of the low there was a big long list of names. it was like we finally came up with modern west. i actually do not even like it, but that is what they call it. so i came up with modern west and the band came up with kevin costner and modern west. they said, "please, it is got to be kevin costner and modern west." i said, "man, i feel like my head is so far out there to be chopped off." all right. so there it is. that was not a pleasant experience, coming up with a tavis: since we are talking about it,

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but i want to start with kevin hasset. he's one of the authors of the 12 million jobs in four years pledge. kevin, good to see you back here. you authored this claim. please give me a solid economic basis for creating 12 million jobs in four years, three million a year. on average starting in january 2013. >> right. if you've looked at the study and it sounds like you have a strong opinion about it, the fact is that there are lots of countries around the world that have been tinkering with their economic policies and then we have lots of data what happens when they do that. so for example, governor romney proposed we cut the corporate tax rate from 35 to 25. now we're about the highest on earth. two countries have higher. but other than that, everybody has a lower rate. clinton increased it by 1% in the '90s, we were in the middle of the countries around the world. so we have had 50 countries changing every two or three years and we watch what happens when they do that and seen a lot of job creation. if you look at our stu

walberg: kevin is so agitated, he may have lost his focus. kevin: we got minutes, right? we got minutes. walberg: and the clock is ticking, which only makes it worse. what's the texaco sign? dealer: the texaco is 850. i got good taste. i'm feeling the pressure right now. i'm definitely feeling the pressure to have to buy something. i didn't want to have to do that. walberg: kevin finally decides to play it safe and rules out the harley sign. let's keep taking a look. look at all the advertising we have here. we just got to find the needle in the haystack. walberg: he is still without a piece of pre-1970 advertising to send to auction in cincinnati, ohio. oh, this is very cool. that lights up. it's art deco, and i don't think you're going to find another one. that one is 475. does it light up oh yes. can i offer you something on it? sure. two fifty. got more money than that in it. well, talk to me. i don't have much time. three twenty-five. how about 275? 300, bottom dollar. 285 cash. three hundred. two ninety. 295, done deal. oof, could i tolerate down to...? i gotta do i

. >> we're finally picking kevin up after about a year. you know, spend some time together, and you know, just enjoy being around kevin, because when he's in his right mind, he's wonderful. >> i'm glad he's going home, you know? kind of depressed when people are going home, but still, i mean, just shows us, incentive for us going home, i mean -- >> bittersweet. >> oh, yeah, [ bleep ] yeah. as long as he don't come back before i get out, we'll be all right. don't come back. >> no. >> no matter what he does, he's still my child. but i hope this is the end of all this and we can move on. it's time for him to grow up, and you know, he has a little girl he needs to get everything right so he can see her. >> inmate houck? >> yes, ma'am. >> okay, i need to see your i.d. >> what is your d.c. number? >> 222301. >> are you ready to go? do you have any property? >> just this. >> okay. >> keep yourself out of trouble. >> all right, later. >> i see him wave. is that him? that might be. >> sign your first and last name on that top line. this shows today

so that was very cool and very mature of kevin to do something like that. >> turns out kevin's idea is spreading. similar pages have popped up at nearby schools. kevin has taught his classmates the nice guys do win. >> that's a nice thing. >> the summer is relentless, hot and dry weather, fueling a brutal wildfire season in the western u.s. >> now crews are in 13 states fighting flames and as stacy cohen reports, even the u.s. military is pitching in. >> reporter: this is an aerial view of california burning. at least 70 wildfires west of the mississippi are ravaging tens of thousands of acres and chasing more than 1,000 people from their homes. california has the largest number of fires with 13, more than 9,000 local and federal firefighters there battling flames from san diego to san bernadino and up to lake county just north of napa. >> they've been dealing with temperatures well over 100 degrees for almost a week. this is on top of fuel conditions that are very, very dry. >> reporter: east of seattle at least 60 homes have been destroyed and 900 people evacuated as the flames are e

. >> kevin fisher has lived here 20 years. he's a corrections officer and a single father. in may of 2010, kevin was stunned to discover local officials had approved plans for a 53,000 square foot islamic center in his hometown. >> neighbors were outraged that so muching this nature was being basically shoved down our throats. we didn't know anything about i it. >> a month later, the typically sleepy county commission meeting was anything but. >> so many people turned up for the public hearing, authorities wouldn't let them all in. >> i'm very happy to see this many people here really standing up. >> a few residents complained about the lack of notice of the mosque plan. >> i would respectfully ask for an expanded hearing again. >> virtually everyone else spoke out against the threat of islam. >> everybody knows who's trying to kill us. it's like we can't say it. >> i would encourage the boycott of any contractor associated with the project. thank you. >> our country was founded through the founding fathers, through the true god, the father in jesus christ. >> i'm sorry but

let's start with our friend kevin. >> kevin phillips coming in on as a great historian and analyst kevin phillips coming out with 1775 this december. and what kevin does is, he debunks the myth that 70 to 76 the watershed year, the american revolution. instead looks at 1775 pounds the pivotal year. when all the events and conflicts were happening. and so analyze 1775. and usually kevin fashion, is very nuanced, teaches research. it will be controversial as many of kevin's books are. >> if viewers are fans of kevin phillips, he did our in depth broke ran. you can go to booktv.org and you can watch three hours of kevin phillips. just go to the search function in the upper left hand corner. carolyn coleburn, i wanted to ask you also about another book that is coming out. this is the party is over. >> i think the subtitle says it all. this is how the republicans went crazy. the democrats became useless, and the middle class got shafted. so the subtitle says it all. mike lofgren is a 20 year veteran of capitol hill, and he really lays it all out on what is wrong with our government. >> is tha

i'll go one-on-one with kevin durant. >> we begin with the nats who seem to be cruising towards a first ever nationally east crown. along the way, there would be bumps in the road. they hit a pot hole in philadelphia. nats try to win it without desmond, sitting out for a third straight game. bottom of the 5th. cliff lee, the pitcher, over the head of bryce harper. 1-0. gets worse. next drive, jimmy rollins, taking zimmerman way out. two-run shot. wild play here in the top of the 5th, or 7th, rather. watch adam laroche. this is gone, right? oh, off the top of that fence, and bouncing back into fair play. werth stops at 3rd. laroche is caught in a rundown. we got all kinds of issues here. do you believe this? should have been a homerun, maybe at least a double, and a run scored. instead, nobody scores and out for laroche and nats lose 4-1. >> i mean, this is a game you never take anything for granted. my two veteran players took it for granted the ball was out. i asked laroche, what are you thinking? said i was going for three. i said, you weren't going very fast. but, you know, that's ki

the boat was gone. >> but kevin and ruby's ordeal isn't over. almost immediately they get sucked under the water for a second time. >> and this time i didn't have ruby's hair. and so i popped up and looked around and she wasn't there yet. and just as i was beginning to start to panic, i guess i was already panicking, but where is she? where is she? and then she popped up. >> they swim for their lives. >> i was very, very proud of her. what a great kid! she swam very confidently. she didn't need me there, at that point. >> this is freedom, we have people in the water. looks like they got run over by a barge. one of the duck boats. i'm going to pick them up. >> the crash claims the lives of two hungarian students, szabolcs prem and dora schwendtner. but somehow 35 people are pulled to safety. many need medical attention, including ruby, who suffers from shock. in philadelphia, the mayor holds a press conference. >> this is a very serious situation and we're going to do everything we can to, obviously, get to the bottom of it. >> investigators at t

how much privacy can i expect in. >> kevin? >> do -- the new york civil liberty union -- i'm trying to ask a serious question. why bother -- claims the system has no oversight do you agree. >> the oversight comes from a guy named mike bloomberg. wasn't that's a plot in batman? do you want to give it to a guy who cares about how big your slurpee is? >> showed where people were inside of a building. >> i realize you don't have any talking points. >> you really can read my mind. look at him. >> well, i think lucas fox, if he were here today, would say this is probably too much power for one man to have. furthermore, it's also like london and second of all, it only happens if you're in the middle of the street. >> i'm going to make two points. scrutinized society is a safer one. and we don't have to worry about people violating our rights. the other thing we call this 1984 but who is giving out more information than anybody? we do. facebook, twitter. we want people to know every one of our authorities and now we're worried about pe

tavis: please welcome kevin costner t this program. the oscar winner is one of hollywood's most recognizable artists and the past two decades. a string of memorable project. he is a small sample of some of his outstanding work. >> i should have been here, i wanted to be. >> i understand, i do. just tell me, are you being careful? are you making progress? >> i think your husband just became the man that got out capone. >> lieutenant dunbar? >> yes, sir? actually, i am here at my own request. i always wanted to see the frontier. >> if you go there, he will come. -- build it. >> you don't look like a body guard. >> what did you expect? >> i dunno, maybe a tough guy. >> and this is my disguise. ♪ tavis: the thankfully, your career is nowhere near being over, but if the hatfields and mccoys was the last project on top of the awesome body of work, would you be happy with your porpoise? >> i would. i was surprised how happy i was with hatfields and mccoys. playing this quintessential american role, guns and vengeane american fabric of how w

kevin this is an elected lawmaker essentially telling the media not to do its job how does he get away with it. but i think and to add to you know that comment i would just say that what he's essentially suggesting is that the free speech rights of low level intelligence employees be shut down and in fact he's promoting the perception that the well to backtrack by making this statement he's not acknowledging the fact that the intelligence community is one of the last places you would find a leak actually you're more likely to find a leak out of peter king's office probably than the. come some agent and see in the intelligence community and i think you know what he's really saying just sort of makes me feel like in a perfect world if peter king can make it possible he would like to take away the right publisher of the new york times or where other organizations that he would think have overstepped their approval just and gone beyond and started to do actual national security journalism which i think is what in effect is trying to suppress and criminalize when he's actively participating

a two-run blast by kevin youkilis, his second of the game, and we are tied at 5-5! steve: for youk 12 home runs and eight in a white sox uniform. latroy hawkins, who is used to giving up runs in chicago has just thrown a tie ball game. ken: and here is dunn. don't stop now, boys. he takes a first-pitch strike. adam, 0-5 lifetime against hawkins. steve: that one up and in at 91, not a whole lot on it. youkilis with his second home run of the game and a big bounce back. ken: good pitch by hawkins. he chops it foul. that evens the count at 2-2. youk with 12 homers now 39 knocked in. adam knew it couldn't pull the trigger, and that is out number one. so here is pauley. steve: gavin can't lose it santana can't win it, and the game is in the happened of the respective pens. ken: here is pauley. he is 4-21 lifetime against hawkins. of the four hits, all of them stayed in the park. he checks it up. if you are just joining us a battling effort from gavin floyd and also a battling effort tonight from ervin santana. gavin, a lot of trouble in the the first two innings giving u

nbc's kevin tibbles is with us from the olympic park just across town. kevin, good evening. >> reporter: brian, it may have been over in just a flash less than ten seconds of must see tv, but the world is still talking tonight about usain bolt. the south london neighborhood of brickston awash in black, green and gold. this is the heart and soul of the jamaican community here today celebrating independence day and the golden streak of lightning named usain bolt. >> yes, jamaica all the way! >> fastest man on earth. >> reporter: the blink of an eye just 9.3 seconds seen by some 2 million viewers worldwide. >> usain bolt trying to come along. it's tyson -- here's bolt! usain bolt explodes! and he's still the king of the hundred. >> there's never been somebody 6'5" tall that can turn his legs over like somebody 5'9". >> otto bolden has won two olympic medals in the 100 meters. for him, bolt's secret is simple. before the race has even started, bolt has less work to do to complete it. >> that stride that you're seeing there covers eight feet with every step.

go ahead kevin get a good job of good jobs and you would be all employed people to buy your product and so you need to have a middle class you can buy products knowing as well it was i'll show you instead of behind the time when i was three people should if i had time i think i know they're going to make money fast how they're not trying to talk over me i'm not going to stop talking i'm trying to make a point the time when the wealth divide was small so this country was in one nine hundred fifty s. and sixty's when the highest income tax rates were at ninety percent we need to be debating the nixon tax or as the reagan tax that's fifty percent tops bracket versus seventy percent bracket we shouldn't be having fifteen percent for the richest people in the country which that we do have for people in the country right now have wealth equal to half the population those four people pay an average tax of seventeen percent while i would also pays about a thirty percent tax that's unfair and it's obscene and that's what it is and we do about the buffett rule we should talk about nixon tax where

i say it respectly to you, kevin. we get distracted with the tabloidization of who bradley manning is. he is a whistle blower and a hero. >> okay. once again, we have copies of the book the passion of bradley manning in the back for $15. we have three more sessions each monday this month. 18th and 25th spread the word. we hope you can come out. thanks so much to kevin gosztola, chase, and ted hearne. [applause] thanks to c-span for filming this too. >> is there a non-fiction author or book you'd like to see featured? send us an e-mail or tweet us at twitter.com/booktv. here are the best selling non-fiction books according to u.s.a. today. a list reflects sales for the week of august 9. mary writes about the kayaking accident that almost took her life "to heaven and back." cheryl recounts the 11 mile hike along the pacific coast and explains how the travels changed her life and mental health. "forks over knives." followed by pop star one direction who recount their rise to fame in one direction dare to dream. the newes

kevin tracked down john. kevin said, john, you have got to come forward. in july of 2012, thomas and ray's murder verdicts were reversed. on monday they were granted bond. and today, they're sitting in a studio talking to me because of it. before i go on any further, valerie, today, the news hook to this story is that there is an appeal. those prosecutors do not want to go back to that courtroom again of the you're the appellate attorney. if these two gentlemen sitting beside you go back to a courtroom, can they win this case, given all this new material from kevin and john? >> absolutely. the prosecutors don't want to go back to a new trial because they can't retry this case. the case has been destroyed. the original case was based on two premises. one, there was a gentleman waiting to go buy weed from mr. kerry. and he was standing in the street. he saw two white guys. he saw a car pull up. two white guys walk up the driveway. heard a shot. and saw the same two white guys running back, get in that car and leave. so the first presumption is they're the ki