the saudi it's an e. mara's the end of the day i expect people to have the individual self determination whether she or sunni and a majority shia country like bahrain should be shia a majority sunni country like syria should well sunni and maybe glee it weren't the political game going on there should arabia ok brother in florida then the oldest brother he's only got three go ahead but i had before the break go ahead i'm marked on mark's promise that america should be a christian nation and a white nation because it's the majority nation i mean that's completely america only the land he or she has sort of a basic tenet of democracy or freedom all right gentlemen i'm going to jump in here this is going to go to shelling out again and after that chilled break we'll continue our discussion on saudi arabia stay with our. leave. countries rich in natural resources are the poorest africa's a colony it's a colony of the big corporations it's a calling of someone's home leaders who are under the thumbs of the big

the saudi isn't me. mark at the end of the day people have the individual self determination whether she or sunni and a majority shia country like bahrain should be shia a majority sunni country like syria should well sunni and maybe glee if it weren't political going on there should arabia ok brian russell i want to let me go to praise him for the primary go ahead go ahead before the break go ahead i marked on mark's promise that america should be a christian nation and a white nation because it's the majority nation i mean that's completely i mean are closed the land he or she has sort of a basic tenet of democracy or freedom all right gentlemen i'm going to jump in here this is going to go to shirley out again and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on saudi arabia stay with our. leave. the pledge was a terrible mistake and led very hard to make our lives against a longer a plug that never had sex with the target there's no legs let's play. lists the m let's. listen. to the. think i f

saudi relations. the paper was an interesting exercise to look at saudi arabia and self defined national security interests. quite often with analysts look at things from our lands and quite naturally it was interesting for me to interview people not only in the governments, but outside the government in the sector are elliot is talked about. my main conclusion, you can disagree with this, but my main conclusion the saudi arabia patch is far its weight given considerable resources, something that successive u.s. administrations have had some entity with. given its unique status in the islamic world, if you initially tried to assess what it stated project is over the last 10 years, it is not in a good job in advancing its own stated self-interest. we talk about the islamist ideology and support for radicals. it's a complicated picture, an important one and dangerous one. quite simply, the saudi says that they don't want to rein in influence to spread through the region. what they've seen in iraq, leban

saudi relations based on the statements from saudi leaders. second, an assessment of what i see is saudi strategy, and, the u.s. strategy to structure it that way. just to start out, to show you how bad things had to come in the u.s. saudi relations, three quotes. a letter from dash to the president of united states. at a time when people are at a crossroads. it is time for the united states and saudi arabia to look at separate interest. a saudi official here in washington saying that he doesn't mince words like the president. if the u.s. doesn't do more to reduce the violence, here he was talking in the west bank and gaza, there will be consequences for u.s. interest. third, from from a diplomatic cable writing about a dollar -- abdulla. u.s. policy has given i rock to iran -- iraq to iran. he appeared to be questioning u.s. policy. i highlight the statements because they come from 2001, 2002, and 2005. it has been a lot of chatter about the most recent statements. quite visible protestations about u.s. policy. to demonstrate that there has b

-saudi arabia- have a rivalry. would there be a way the tensions could be put at ease arabia -- and saudi as it is right now? could it be eased? if so, what role does the u.s. have to play? say,mean, look, if i could dolly way in the long run is it that -- the only way in the long run and the conditions are present. if you look at the strategic theregm, the leaders, looks to be our seems to be a compatibility. at times, they cooperate and have meetings. there's nothing naturally inherent. this seems soft or 10 years after the agenda incomplete and nobody can do anything about it. these societies will evolve. ordinary talk about iranians or saudi's, nothing inherently -- and make them at thoughts. right now, it does not seem like. i would notioned, -- serious divergence has made obvious. even they haven't quite a different view of sally's. when it comes to -- even they have a different view of sally's -- saudis. it was cut off by the sanctions that the of bush administration and obama and mr. should continue to work

saudi relations based on statements from saudi leaders. second, a brief assessment of what i see saudi strategy and how they're doing entered a comment on u.s. strategy structured that way. first, just start out to show you how that things had become in the u.s. saudi relations, three quotes. one, a letter from ability to president of the united states. at a time at a nations part of its time for the united states and saudi arabia to look at their separate interest. second, a saudi official here in washington, saying that until it doesn't miss words like president. if the u.s. doesn't do more to reduce the violence here he was back in the bank and gaza, there will be grave consequences for u.s. interests. third, from a diplomatic cable, a u.s. diplomat writing about abdullah, talking about a bct had with the u.s. diplomat. u.s. policy has not given iraq to iran as a guest on a golden platter. this diplomat roque king abdullah was such that in some and somewhat emotional while not specific am even appear to be questioning the bona fides of

the saudi it's an e. mark at the end of the day i expect people to have individual self determination whether she or sunni and a majority shia country like bahrain should be shia a majority sunni country like syria should well sunni and maybe glee it weren't the political game going on there should arabia ok probably run far out of it let me go to praise him for the primary go ahead but i had before the break go ahead i'm marked on mark's promise that america should be a christian nation and a white nation because it's the majority nation i mean that's completely. shattered the basic tenet of democracy or freedom all right gentlemen i'm going to jump in here this is going to charlotte bring out again and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on saudi arabia staying with our. leave the. technology innovation all the developments from around russia we've got the future covered. countries rich in natural resources are the poorest the colony is a colony of the big corporations it's a colony of

well actually there's less tyranny in saudi arabia than other countries look i'm not saying to saudi arabia some free and open place their treatment of women obviously it's terrible there but compared to syria where hundreds of thousands of being massacred by iran and hezbollah and the syrian government and al-qaeda moving in and iraq in libya in tunisia yes saudi arabia is that beacon of stability compared to all the other in stable places there ok brian if i go back to you but i mean. syria is unstable because of saudi arabia and its exporting its jihadi oh yes other oil that is so well documented none of the money go to brian but it's so well documented right now and it's one of the reasons why i'm doing this program is because the u.s. is supporting people that are against his own national interest brian first and we'll go to of mark go ahead. you know mark's comments are are somewhat laughable i would say remember when jimmy carter stood next to the shah of iran in one nine hundred seventy seven and said you are an island of stability in a sea of turmoil and the us premised it's

given saudi's self-interest. they are not being terribly effective with undermining the regime. > i agree with that. if i were a saudi spokesperson, i would say to you that is the fault of the americans. > right. >> we're trying to fight. we're doing what we can with help from others in the region. very hard to do with americans on the sideline. but we have kept asad from winning. we have kept the rebellion alive. it is true that the non-jihad he elements are declining versus the jihad elements. that is your fault. you americans. you come in with us in the beginning we would not have that power vacuum that has led this to be a magnet for jihadis around the world. we're not prepared to see assad win. that means that hezbollah has one in our country. we are not prepared to see that. you handed them iraq. iraq at least is majority shia country. we are not per power -- we are not prepared to see the shia take over. >> i will ask you both. at what point do the saudis have a point when it if there with american policy,

and maybe it is -- >> the saudis. >> yeah, the saudi strategy. i mean, it's quite similar tot u.s., but i think you get it this terms of not only the obama administration's posture, but much of sort of republican and democrats in congress, this reticence to go into -- so, in fact, you can evaluate it and just say we don't have a strategy that will meet our goals. but the saudis are doing things. they're doing things in ways that actually, i think, won't -- maybe not -- topple the assad regime, but almost certainly is creating this security problem that could quite rival if not already the challenges we've seen in yemen or in northwest pakistan and other places. and that's what i think is the thing that everybody's starting to become aware of, but i fear in 2014 the situation could slip pretty rapidly. >> why? why do you think? >> well, look, in some of the recent visits i've had there and it's out there in the press and brookings has a really good, you know, monograph out yesterday talking about gcc private support to some of these militant group

well actually there's less tyranny in saudi arabia than other countries look i'm not saying that saudi arabia some free and open place their treatment of women obviously is terrible there but compared to syria where hundreds of thousands of being massacred by iran and hezbollah and the syrian government and al qaeda moving in and iraq in libya in tunisia yes saudi arabia is that beacon of stability compared to all the other in stable places there ok brian if i go back to you but i mean. syria is unstable because of saudi arabia and it's exporting its jihad oh yes other oil that is so well documented none of the money go to brian but it's so well documented right now and it's one of the reasons why i'm doing this program is because the us is supporting people that are against its own national interest brian first and we'll go to of mark go ahead right. you know mark's comments are are somewhat laughable i would say remember when jimmy carter stood next to the shah of iran in one nine hundred seventy seven and said you are an island of stability in a sea of turmoil and the u.s. premised

israel and saudi arabia hate the nuclear deal that the u. was now the world power struck with iran and israel is very vocal about it the saudis are a little bit more restrained but the saudi intelligence chief said there would be a major shift in dealings with the us saudi arabia wanted the us to go all in on syria the u.s. instead went along with russia's proposal and cut a deal with the syrian leadership to get rid of chemical weapons there saudi arabia and israel are very suspicious of each other the saudis oppose the creation of the jewish state they support the palestinian cause so it's too early to speak of full friendship but washington definitely brought them closer together at least in their desire to threaten war saudi arabia is now reportedly working with israel on a plan to attack iran it reportedly gave israel the green light to use its airspace in the case of a strike and pledged other assistance here in washington these where the lobby is fighting what they describe as a tendency in the u.s. to disengage from the middle east t

many saudi isn't me. mark at the end of the day people say how the individual self determination whether she or sunni and a majority shia country like bahrain should be shia a majority sunni country like syria should well sunni and maybe glee it weren't the political game only going on there should arabia ok brother run for that let me go to praise him for the primary go ahead go ahead before the break go ahead i'm marked on mark's promise that america should be a christian nation and a white nation because it's the majority nation i mean that's completely america owes the land where she had sort of a basic tenet of democracy or freedom all right gentlemen i'm going to jump in here this is going to go to shirley out again and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on saudi arabia state with our. legal. well if you will show harmony why should be all the face i describe you know. pleasure to have you with us here on t.v. today i'm sure. this is the place that has been consecrated to god for a

many were from saudi arabia. should the saudi arabia be concerned at a push to have the information released. google purchased boston dynamics after buying more than half a doze in others. what is the search engine giant up to. "anchorman 2" premiered, but based on the marketing blitz you may think it's been out for a while. will the over-the-top campaign numbers. >> i'm antonio moro, welcome to "consider this". >> we begin with edward snowden. a federal judge ruled the government's secret collection of phone records revealed by the n.s.a. contractor is likely unconstitutional. it's the first set back for the program. is the ruling an anomaly. edward snowden may have had brief hopes of returning to the u.s. after the official who runs the task force proposed amnesty for the leaker if he returned the data he took. that was squashed by the white house. the trove of documents enemies. >> it is the keys to the kingdom. >> we are joined by pfizer patel, the codirector of the liberty security program at the brennan cen

-- and how it covers a saudi arabia? >> it doesn't really cover saudi arabia. rather delicate coverage. of course, the saudi's don't make it easy for journalist to have access. but many of the facts about saudi arabia's relationships to jihadia and to sunni organizations don't require any investigation. -- they are in plain , and still nothing is done about it. these are sort of attacks on drone attacks or other attacks in north waziristan against al somalia, amen, in really peripheral to the main problem which is centered in saudi arabia and the gulf. and the outcome of the support for these extreme organizations is to be seen in northern iraq, western iraq -- which is now substantially under the control of al qaeda-linked organizations -- and across the border in thea, right away from euphrates river right to aleppo and to the mediterranean coast. it is extraordinary that al ofda has been a great sort of theof -- winner conflicts over the last, whatever it is, since 9/11. they have managed to make such tremendous gains without much opposition from washington

there will be no saudi revolution meaning no democracy for the people of saudi arabia because the u.s. considered saudi to be that vital saudi arabia can see the outbreak of peace with iran as something very dangerous for that corrupt really corrupt regime that is fragile and they could be overthrown like all the other monarchs in history indeed and i can't help but bring up this bizarre facet which is that according to go she has agreed to not rich uranium hath five percent brian in other words they can not build a nuclear bomb so why is saudi arabia and bibi netanyahu so pissed at this deal if it's not about the bomb what exactly exactly because it is about politics there is no existential threat that iran poses to israel are to saudi arabia the saudis of course fear a secular revolution or an islamic revolution that something they fear the israelis have two to four hundred nuclear weapons they are nuclear armed they unlike around do not allow inspectors into israel that's not the issue of the real issue as it is as i said before that israel gets four billion dollars a year plays a

it's a journey after i little girl, a saudi. she's feisty, has a great sense of humor. >> jon: this is the woman that we saw? >> wadjda, yeah. she wants a bicycle. you know saudi arabia all conservative and it's ball what women cannot do and everything. but she manages to get it and it's about achieving dreams and working hard. it concentrates more about human dignity and resistance and resillance. >> jon: but this is what i so appreciate about it. the theme is so universal and simple that you forget. and then the context of where it is just becomes part of the backdrop, and i really helps to humanize all the different characters and inform in a way that i think it won't otherwise. >> i tried to just like complain about reality and make it inspiring. people in saudi arabia women in general need to have reference of people working really hard to change their destiny. it's hard just to show women as victims. we know need to -- we need to show them as women who are proactive trying to make their life better. it's good for especiall

there will be no saudi revolution meaning no democracy for the people of saudi arabia because the us considered saudi to be that vital saudi arabia can see the outbreak of peace with iran as something very dangerous for that corrupt really corrupt regime that is fragile and they could be overthrown like all the other monarchs in history indeed and i can't help but bring up this bizarre facet which is that according to go she asians iran has agreed to not rich uranium half five percent brian in other words they can not build a nuclear bomb so why is saudi arabia and bibi netanyahu so pissed at this deal if it's not about the bomb what exactly exactly because it is about politics there is no existential threat that iran poses to israel or to saudi arabia the saudis of course fear a secular revolution or an islamic revolution that something they fear the israelis have two to four hundred nuclear weapons they are nuclear armed they unlike around do not allow inspectors into israel that's not the issue of the real issue as it is as i said before that israel gets four billion dollars a yea

it's slightly i think we're seeing the saudis saudi arabia and qatar really step up and we're seeing the emergence of a strong proxy war between really saudi arabia and iran really the sunni extremist sunni and then the factions on the other on the other side and we're seeing this proxy war which shows no signs of slowing down or ending maybe it's just that the american influence will be marginalized within it ok sunny but if this is a proxy war which i agree with jason here what does that have to do with the syrian people i mean this is going on over two years now and if you look at the islamic front they're not talking about a democratic syria is a matter of fact they're looking at a very syria that would resemble something closer to saudi arabia so why should western powers even in their wildest imagination be thinking about talking to people like that well it's always like a proxy war i mean are they going to go to sunny first go ahead sunny. it's always been a proxy war because russia and iran have helped assad and saudi arabian qatar and they have helped the rebels so you know

saudi arabia was an ally. we relied on them for oil, revealing the saudi connection would have been explosive and damaging to both the saudis and the bush administration. >> banda was a popular guy, speaking english beautifully, there are reports that money me may have sent from people that supported the hijackers. senators led by chuck schumer demanded that it be declassified, saying protecting the saudi arabia regime for for given to terrorists would be a mistake. do you think that the issue is that it's circumstantial evidence that's not enough to pin a sponsor of terrorism on the saudi state? >> you know, i have to believe if saudi arabia were not an alply, we would have found more reason to suggest it was a state sponsor terrorist attack. i think there is plenty of evidence, some circumstantial evidence. but it adds up to the least, members of the saudi arabia government were supporting the hijackers or supporting these men i told you about from saudi arabia. those living in the united states. there's cle

there will be no saudi revolution meaning no democracy for the people of saudi arabia because the us considered saudi to be that vital saudi arabia can see the outbreak of peace with iran as something very dangerous for that corrupt really corrupt regime that is fragile and they could be overthrown like all the other monarchs in history indeed and i can't help but bring up this bizarre facet which is that according to go she has agreed to not rich uranium half five percent brian in other words they can not build a nuclear bomb so why is saudi arabia and bibi netanyahu so pissed at this deal if it's not about the bomb what exactly exactly because it is about politics there is no existential threat that iran poses to israel or to saudi arabia the saudis of course fear a secular revolution or an islamic revolution that's something they fear the israelis have two to four hundred nuclear weapons they are nuclear armed they unlike around do not allow inspectors into israel that's not the issue of the real issue as it is as i said before that israel gets four billion dollars a year plays a

government deliberately hid saudi involvement in nine eleven saudi government involvement in nine eleven it's a kind of conspiracy ideas that are actually now being raised in congress so many years after the fact it looks like that whereas with the afghanistan in that would you had been financing by the united states and saudi arabia in the late eighty's they had to wait more than a decade for nine eleven it looks like the syrian war and u.s. nato defacto support for islam is groups the fallout is already being the fallout is already there whether it be here on the streets of london or indeed in russia seem like a lot of conspiracy theories being bandied about public transport in the british capital a target for terrorists who struck the day after london was chosen dose the two thousand and twelve olympics how do the people and authorities react back event. law enforcement authorities are always so quick to say that it takes a terrorist only to be right once whereas with or at least law enforcement authorities have to be right all the time over here it was more to do with that the privat

now saudi arabia is the focus of cross talk coming up in a few minutes time here on r.t. international after the recent iran nuclear deal the saudi monarchy has cast doubts about the loyalty of its old allies while at the same time the country's come under criticism from the international community for its very hardline policies peter lavelle and his guests will bring you the latest perspective on that. the saudis are furious over western dealings with iran disappointed that obama didn't bomb syria and determined to export its radical form of islam can the house of saud afford what it calls an independent foreign policy saudi arabia for years isolation they really cannot carry out independent foreign policy because of their regimes limited strength and durability every government the middle east except turkey and israel because their democracies every single other government is fragile you look at a fairly stable country like jordan it is fragile as well i hope for side arabia's would become a constitutional monarchy more like jordan but saudi arabia has lots of work to d

/saudi relations based on the statements from saudi leaders. second, a brief assessment of what see saudi strategy and how they're doing s. and then, third, a comment on u.s. strategy, to structure it that way. first, just to start out to show you how bad things had become in the u.s./saudi relations, three quotes. one, a letter from abdullah to the president of the united states. at a time when peoples and nations part, we are at a crossroads. it is time for the united states and saudi arabia to look at their separate interests. second, a saudi official here in washington saying that abdullah, quote: doesn't mince words like the president. if the u.s. doesn't do more to reduce the violence -- and here he was talking in the west bank and gaza -- there will be grave consequences for u.s. interests. and then, third, from a diplomatic cable, a u.s. diplomat writing about abdullah. talking about a visit he had with a u.s. diplomat. u.s. policy has now given iraq to iran as a gift on a golden platter. this diplomat wrote: king abdullah was upset and

leaves but he waited and hating something you cannot do you can you flip it over also to use maybe saudi arabia and qatar start stop arming the rebels as well. both well i think so yeah i mean maybe but you know it's funny assad is far more equipped than the rebels and secondly yes you can argue that saudi arabia and qatar should stop interfering the same way the russia and iran interfering in the country too i mean although that's going to go well i mean of middle eastern policy yes but they mean syria if you like it or not it's still a sovereign state and it has a internationally recognized government so it is making them equal and is. under international law and doesn't make a whole lot of sense jason if i can go to you in new york come back to you jason if i go to you in new york the u.s. state department is considering dealing with the islamic front to meet certain particularly people that have much well let's say western values no but i think what we've seen is the ruse that the free syrian army is the epicenter of political opposition to the saddam regime has been exposed so the u