nato will be a piece of that. i think that is something for the north atlantic council i'm sure is thinking how do they put this on their agenda, how do they address this. it has been on their agenda in terms of the syria piece of it. is this islamic state transnational crisis. i have no doubt that nato will take it on. whether there would be nato sanctioned action i live be a, i think it is open ended but i would not take it off they -- a is open, i think it ended but i would not take it off the table. >> thank you. heavy nato allies anticipated therussian response -- have nato allies anticipated the russian response to a permanent rotating presence which is east , ande former iron curtain then what is the strategy to deal with that or will they continue to just respond to crises after crises? is there a strategy? the second question is, your thoughts on the decision by putin not to attend the conference. the allies have already fully anticipated a very strong russian reaction. this is what has caused some hesita

it is a key nato ally. they share our deep concerns with the threat posed, the regional threat tposed. secretary hagel has long-standing l relationship with the leadership and views this is an important opportunity. i will take questions. ukraine, could you paint the picture as best you could in terms of what the latest movement of russian enforcem -- forces into ukraine and what numbers? that represents an escalation in their involvements and whether you would consider this an invasion. >> there was a lawful lot there. i would not be telling great specificity about what the russian armed forces are doing. that is for their defense ministry to speak to. we don't have a perfect view of what they are doing. we have continually seen them build up their capabilities along the border. we have continued to see them advance weapon systems, some very sophisticated, into use in ukraine in support of the separatists. we havelier this week, long believed that russian forces, military forces have been a part of that mo

this is a pretty nato. isthere going to be -- this a threat to nato.. is there going to be collective action and do we see an increase in defensepending by these countries? these have to be pretty much yes and no answers. >> there will be a pledge to reverse the decline. i think the assumptions have been proven false. we will have to see increases and the united states and europe. >> i do purport -- predict a strong statement and more resources. i am not sure there is a strategic pathway to improve things long-term. >> strong statement, strong response from poland, the baltic states about increasing defense spendiding. watch finland. they will be interesting partners to nato in the future. >> frank, you get the last word. >> strong statement. the critical country as germany, spending 1.3 percent of its gdp on defense. it is rich enough. if we can get the germans to up it, we're going to do it. >> everybody, thanks very much for doing g it. we appreciate it. when we return, our pentagon reporter o whether the >> defense secretary chuck hagel at has said

but what can nato actualry do? >> well, what nato is going to do next week is they're going to announce a readiness action plan. that will be a plan that will help shore up the defense of nato members in the baltic states and poland. it will focus on a location in poland where nato forces will be there prepositioning forces e -- potentially, enhanced exercises. what we've seen is an invasion of ukraine, and we need to -- we need to say invasion. that's where the president did -- what the president did not say yesterday. the readiness action play may not be sufficient. there will need more nato resources. we need to help them with lethal assistance, not just nonlethal so a lot of questions. >> heather, isn't this a little bit late of shoring up defenses and coming up with plans? you have thousands of troops on the border. people are already -- not president obama, but other people in europe are calling this an invasion. nato doesn't have a way. surely something needs to be done now? >> i think the immediate action i

talking nato, if reference was made, attacking nato is not probably in his plans right now. maybe they will manage to mobilize it's resources, and survive with seances. but even so it is hard to reare verse the behavior, because he is serious about what he wants to achieve. and he can take a lot of pressure and hardship. >> when we come back, if russia's leaders are so clear on why they are involved in ukraine, and convince the legitimacy of their cause, why not straight forwardly declare to the world what you are doing? this is inside story, stay with us. >> al jazeera america presents >> just because you're pregnant, don't mean you're life's ended. >> 15 stories one incredible journey edge of eighteen premiers september 7th only on al jazeera america welcome back to inside story on al jazeera america. i'm ray swarez. the russian incursion this time on the program, this morning on the bbc, an ally of president putin told a reporter the united states was getting too much of it's information from the ukrainian government's website. he denied there were any russian forces in u

well sadly the fact that nato secretary general anders fogh rasmussen and the nato powers generally have been exposed as liars over their repeated promises in recent years that there would not be the establishment of a permanent military base in eastern europe it comes as no surprise to anyone who understands that this is just part of a string of broken promises that need to was strewn behind them for the past two and a half decades going back at least to the point in one nine hundred ninety where according to both former soviet president mikhail gorbachev and former u.s. ambassador to russia jack matlock as well as the classified documents of meetings between the former german so foreign minister and soviet foreign minister that there was a clear commitment made at that time in one thousand nine hundred during the german reunification process that need to would not expand eastward into europe in fact the quote was not a thumb's with further to the east and of course that has been broken time and time again over the past two and a half decades to the point where. we were needed with situ

you know you think that sweden is a more fervently problem nato than some of nato is a founding member is how do you explain these sudden saved from the challenged to diffract or interventionism where is it's good you take it up the neutrality because we are formally nonaligned in sweden bought neutrality was scrapped long ago the argument was an awfully end of the cold war and the dissolution of the soviet union you could not be neutral because there were no two part is to be neutral between lives of course is intellectual nonsense we could still have neutral states who would be helpful for instance as mediators in the international cone conflict areas around the world so how did it happen well there were people who wanted sweden to finally say goodbye to everything that sweden or regionally stood for and to get closer to the united states and nato this was particularly by the social democratic party and prime minister goran passion. and foreign minister anna lindh at the time it was a policy shift simply. yeah absolutely and i wonder how much of this policy shift this u. turn and swe

and they're trying to woo the ukraine really to say we want to join nato. i think the a crane should be told that it can never join nato that other means will be found to make sure that the ukraine remains six year. the west should be persuading those who are now in government in the ukraine that within ukraine they must learn the art of compromise. and. more inclined to russia the ukraine should also be persuaded by russia you must also learn the art of compromise but mr fraser you secondly cannot teach ukraine the art of compromise without russia and the west exercising that are themselves and it seems that at the moment bare bay exchange the political exchange between the two is quiet uncompromising lets say so now i know that just a few days ago you published an article at all pat in the guardian in which he said that there is absolutely no way out of the current crisis allows the west recognizes some of its past mistakes that you have already mentioned that is the expansion of nato but recognizing one's mistakes is is an extremely difficult thing to do

let's talk about those images coming from nato. what are we hearing about the reliability of the images? >> we are in a warlike situation. it's not just about military power, it's winning over the heads. they are a company called digitalglobe providing pictures to google earth. they have a mechanism on their website where you can verify these pictures. i tried to do that because nato pointed specifically to that website but it was down indicating that there was probably too many people trying to do exactly that. what do you do is a journalist if you want to verify something, you look for a second source. they are fighting alongside russian shoulders -- soldiers. they are being captured in ukraine. they claim those are russian tanks in the ukraine. those are all very strong indicators that those satellite pictures are telling the truth or at least part of the truth. >> nato may have a good case to stand on but what can it do? >> wheel was have to remind people that ukraine is not part of nato. they can reinforce the eastern border a

the article that you wrote not so long ago wasn't titled sweden's elites more loyal to nato than to their people and that's a pretty controversial statement what makes you say that well first of all the foundation that i'm the director of is an independent foundation that means we can say what we want we're not dependent on state money and we're not i'm dependent on corporate money and that means that we have we're doing free research and my point is that the last twenty is also basically since all of parliament died and since the e.u. membership of sweden sweden has stopped having an independent foreign policy we have come very close to nato without a formal. membership application yet this has happened basically without any public discussion there's not a wish to have a public discussion which was already chillies sweden's basic policy that everything we did in terms of common security neutrality disarmament and all that was something that was anchored in a public discussion and the sweets would know what their country was standing for so i think this loyalty among elites is a problem b

what can nato do? ukraine is not a member state of nato. nato can't invoke the self-defense clause and take military action right now. also, there's a growing sense that since the spring, russian president vladimir putin is p y playing stealthily. 90,000 troops were supposed to be on the border. he stood the troops down, offers peace talks and moving weaponry around. putin has been outfoxing the western powers. the question remains, will further sanctions stop him or does tougher action have to be taken? >> they clearly haven't stopped him or russia from the troop movements. there are real challenges ahead as they have their session today. karl penhaul in london, thank you so much. >>> securing the release of dozens of peace keepers in the heights kidnapped by militants fighting the syrian army. 43 u.n. peace keepers were seized. another 81 trapped in the region bordering syria and israel. the peace keepers are from the philippines and fiji. >>> a labor day weekend perfect for a road trip. we'll explain why when we get an "early start" on y

side then nato is. it takes some very very. unfortunate decisions of the kind they made in bucharest when they said ukraine and georgia will become members ok but let me jump in here but as i said in the introduction to my program russia does have red lines and it's not bluffing either so martin if i can go to you in london because ray brings up a very important point i mean if nato wants to flex its muscles and say who ra we found we found a reason to exist again other than bombing third world countries russia is the enemy that's setting into motion some very serious possibilities. yes absolutely because nato has got to the position where there is pressure among many to numbers to do something about ukraine and do something about syria and do something about iraq and so on that these are problems which. are not being dealt with at present nato doesn't really have a policy they don't want to intervene they may take decisions. like known as mission creep they could take a decision right we will have to help the rebels. but we ha

problem because we need a public discussion a much more intensive discussion about whether to join nato or not and how we get sweden to contribute again to disarmament including nuclear evolution and formalised speaking sweden is of course and no one aligned and natural country and yet if we look at some of the recent statements and actions taken by our swedish foreign minister carl bildt who played a very hawkish role i have to say in the ukrainian crisis. you know you think that sweden is a more fervently problem nato than some of nader's founding members how do you explain these sudden shift from neutrality to defacto interventionism where is is good you take it up the neutrality because we are formally nonaligned in sweden bought neutrality was scrapped long ago the argument was an awfully end of the cold war and the dissolution of the soviet union you could not be neutral because there were no two part is to be neutral between this of course is intellectual munson's we could still have neutral states who would be helpful for instance as mediators in the international criminal confl

membership of sweden sweden has stopped having an independent foreign policy we have come very close to nato without a formal. membership application yet this has happened basically without an e public discussion there's not a wish to have a public discussion which was or reach really sweden's basic policy that everything we did in terms of common security neutrality disarmament and all that was something that was anchored in a public discussion and the sweets would know what their country was standing for so i think this loyalty among elites is a problem because we need a public discussion a much more intensive discussion about whether to join nato or not and how we get sweden to contribute again to disarmament including nuclear evolution and formalised speaking sweden is of course that no one aligned and natural country and yet if we look at some of the recent statements and actions taken by our swedish foreign minister carl bildt who played a very hawkish role i have to say in the ukrainian crisis. you know you think that sweden is a more fervently problem neater than some of nader's foun

of nato and therefore. had been. in two thousand and six when there was a famous nato summit in riga where they all saw. the ukraine and georgia as members of nato or i think your pin countries have a strong interest not to get. danger of a hostile situation in any part of our common continent and therefore i think the german population are well aware. of our chance law and they are breaking hosts only this story dominating today's news is of course ukraine made to achieve restless and has said that the bloc setting up the trust funds to fine is ukraine's army this sounds like a big commitment to a country that's not even part of nato how does this work exactly. the german population is all all polls show. totally against the polish of the nato general i know that it's not to spur some opinion it is by at least governments like the government involving the government in london and us as a vote so what he is proposing is to be a party in an internal conflict which is unfortunately in one of our neighboring countries a

talking nato, if reference was made, attacking nato is not probably in his plans right now. maybe they will manage to mobilize it's resources, and survive with seances. but even so it is hard to reare verse the behavior, because he is serious about what he wants to achieve. and he can take a lot of pressure and hardship. >> when we come back, if russia's leaders are so clear on why they are involved in ukraine, and convince the legitimacy of their cause, why not straight forwardly declare to the world what you are doing? this is inside story, stay with us. people safe. we are stopping suspects from traveling by seizing passports, and we legislating to prosecute people for alter ris activity even when that activity takes place overseas. we have stepped up our operational response. we have seen a five-fold increase in syria-related arrests. >> related to the threat to fighters that have british passports and have been fighting along isil. we have been coordinated with our allies about countering this threat and mitigating it. we have been doing it by cooperating through law en

how nato can really help or nato member countries in ukraine situation. thank you. >> at the summit in whales next week, we'll take decisions as to how we will will enhance our how to increase our cooperation with ukraine. among other initiatives, we are establishing four trust funds to finance concrete initiatives within four areas. command and control, cyber defense, help through military personnel including wounded personnel. i'm very please had already at today's meeting several allies announced contributions to these trust funds. it was signalled that more announcements may come forward at the summit in wales next week. the whole purpose of these trust funds is to finance activities that can assist ukraine in reforming and modernizing the armed forces with a few to making them with a view to make them stronger to ukraine. >> thanks very much. that's all we have time for this afternoon. >> so that was the head of nato just talking about that request or that statement by the prime minister that he would seek to end the non alliance status of ukraine wi

and also this hour lockdown inside the whales amid fears other that talk may be planned on the coming nato summit as protesters flock to the cities to head . to the world this is our team international with you twenty four hours a day i mean and welcome we start with our breaking news story a group of russian soldiers detained in ukraine several days ago whomping return to russia moscow ses the ten party troopers were on patrol when they crossed the pearly mercs section of the border by accident before being captured paula sneer has the details only ten russian paratroopers who were detained by the ukrainian authorities have now been handed over to russia the group was patrolling the russian ukrainian border when i mean to me they crossed over at night at a section of the border that is not well signposted they were then into septic by the ukrainian security services can from what we understand the police talks will complicated and difficult but it is important to note that. border incidents like this are not uncommon early in august there were around four hundred ukrainian servicemen who

a lot down in south wales as fears rise that an attack may be planned on the nato summit as protesters flock to the host cities head of the event. british member of parliament and t.v. show host george galloway ends up in hospital after a vicious daytime attack in the capital. welcome good to have you with us this hour my name is neil harvey and you're watching r.t. international and we will start this hour with the breaking news story ten russian troops detained in ukraine have been returned to russia moscow says they were on patrol when they crossed the border by accident before being captured on monday let's cross live now to correspondent. poor thanks for joining us what more can you tell us about this. well all ten russian paratroopers who were earlier detained by the ukrainian authorities have now been handed over to russia the group was patrolling the russian ukrainian border when unintentionally they crossed over at night at a section of the border that is not well signposted they were then intercepted by the ukrainian security services the statement was released by alexi will

these are images presented by nato which the alliance and claim prove russia's self-propelled tillery units are moving through east ukraine other images allegedly show activity in russia near the ukrainian border something nato says as part of moscow's destabilizing strategy moscow has rebuffed the allegations saying the pictures only taint the alliance's international reputation. and they are doesn't want a confrontation but it's prepared to toughen sanctions on moscow that's according to the president of the european commission jose manuel barroso as he addressed the media alongside the ukrainian leader the head of russia's lower house of parliament says any measures will also punish ordinary europeans so again i. spoke exclusively to r.t. . while sanctions politics spiral more and more diplomats are expressing doubts about the effectiveness of the strategy they see very clearly that it's their citizens who have to pay for the decisions made under this policy in reality by implementing these restrictions european nations have sent the bill to their own people and their own businesse

right when the clinton administration began to expand nato so you're going to historians will debate this question when did it begin and then the analysis will be again johnny and in chicago this is a very good point that stephen brings up because we have south was set in two thousand and eight as well but maybe it's the dysfunctionality of the entire post cold war environment i mean what has the international system found any kind of balance are we still moving to some kind of lack of equilibrium or is it the united states just has gotten used to being very had to manage monic well i basically agree with steve which is that i think that the united states and the west more generally but especially the united states has found it almost impossible to put cold war thinking behind it. and as a result in the mid one nine hundred ninety s. the clinton administration began to push hard for nato expansion and there's no way you could explain nato expansion unless you make the argument that it's designed to contain some sort of future russian threat nobody put the argument for nato expansion

can we expect nato to take further action? >> well, by definition, you know, nato has a responsibility to defend its own countries. and so it does not necessarily have a specific obligation regarding ukraine. that said, i think among the things that will be considered over time, are there things that nato can help ukraine do with its military capability. obviously those things have to be done within the context of trying to resolve this problem not necessarily needing further russian adventurism. but certainly there will continue to be military operations, exercises and so forth, that should russia's adwretion continue that -- aggression continue that these will be defended. >> do you think nato would engage militarily with russian forces? >> i don't think that's the case. as the president said yesterday, he does not see a military situation to the ukrainian situation. you know and does not want to pursue one necessarily with ukrainian membership in nato. but certainly, this is as much a political challenge as anything else. a

the clinton administration began to push hard for nato expansion and there's no way you could explain nato expansion unless you make the argument that it's designed to contain some sort of future russian threat nobody put the argument for a nato expansion in those terms at the time but in retrospect it's quite clear that that's what was going on so the deep cause of the present crisis i believe is nato expansion which is part and parcel of a strategy designed to contain russia and to strip ukraine away from russia's orbit and to grade it into the west the precipitating crisis would cause the. present crisis that's going on i should say the precipitating cause of the present crisis were the events of february of this year especially the february twenty two coup. in kiev. it's stephen it's interesting if we if we look at nato expansion and it ends up being kind of like a chicken in the egg situation because if russia is the threat do you want to expand nato but if it isn't a threat you know if you expand it you do create a russia that is extremely anxious about it a vast military comple

summit in whales next week, which will give the opportunity, really, for nato, and the nato leaders, and president obama to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the ukrainian president in this time of crisis. >> so vladimir putin saying -- this is a quote from him, that russia should be ready to respond to aggression. doesn't want to take it any further, but ready to reond. what would your view of what kind of aggression he would have to respond to? >> well, when -- when putin speaks he -- he is not a strategist -- regarded as a strategist. he is regarded as a tactician. who knows what provocation would -- would make him take a -- a formal stand. the trouble with putin and the kremlin in this crisis is that no one is responding to individual allegations by obama, by the eu, by nato. they are basically just shrugging their shoulder and getting on with it. and it makes it very, very difficult. putin's mantra is ukraine's problem is ukraine's problem and we're not here to solve it. it's basically that. >> peter thank you much indeed. >>> the number of ref geese who have fled the civil war in

need instruction they really have the motivation whereas the kiev army which is a kind of puppet of nato they don't have any motivation whatsoever and they do not really know why they are fighting and against whom there is already so that is our main strength. the aid is also a symbolic. for many of these people from the west it's the first time to come defend what is considered by western governments bad cards or bad guys cause so it's very important to show the people from the west are distinct from their governments and they are ready to come and fight and risk their lives to defend another world it's not just finance volunteers from c.b.s. spain germany poland israel and the united kingdom are indeed manske on the frontline. we believe that ukrainian army will not be able to sustain a word or even fall because if each day goes by they lose money devas motivation they lose manpower they. lose so each day that goes by they grow weaker we grow stronger stronger you are now finds itself in between a rock and a hard place what to do is move its young men sign up to fight against its ally.

we have put nato ships in the black sea and in the baltic sea. and we have september a strong message to russia, that their behavior is being watched, not appreciated, but, of course, we are trying to leave space for diplomatic resolutions to these issues. >> with all due respect, he seems to be ignoring that anybody says because nobody is doing inning. so in left unchecked what happens next. >> quo will implement those. >> so from a military stand point, are are you concerned that the troop build up along the border, will be so large that by the time the political leaders decide to do something it would be too late and another portion of ukraine would be under russian control? >> there were 40,000 troops on the border. and they actually pulled many of them wac. back. they have built them up again, 20,000 troops along the border, what is different today as it has russian troops operating right inside ukraine. we arecess the numbers to be well over 1,000. they are well equipped but they haven't overwhelmed. in fact ukraine military forces have had

and nato. i agree with you this is a big deal, because some people are floating a possible solution, maybe ukraine moves toward the e.u., but nato, it remains out so it's technically neutral. this is a big statement. the u.s. is always nato. does washington have any control in 2014 over the next dialogue that could infuriate mr. putin? >> i wouldn't say that the u.s. controls nato. i'm certain there's coordination between washington and tornado. >> as we go into this weekend, this is sure to inflame mr. putin and the people around him. am i right? >> yes, but i think he's fully inflamed. i think the stakes already couldn't be much higher for mr. putin. >> but ironically, this is the exact thing he wanted to avoid. it's been to avoid nato expansion. is this the one threat that actually carries weight with him? >> you said it in the last hour and you had it exactly right. he's employee viewing. putin is employee viewing, playing for time, looking at the chess war, saying he probable can't win the

nato, the western military alliance called an emergency session. the organization released satellite images that are proof up to 1,000 russian forces engaged in combat operations in the east of ukraine and the southeast as well. for their part, the russians, the kremlin denying there are any russian troops that have been officially deployed inside eastern ukraine. one pro-russian rebel commander in eastern ukraine saying there are russian forces fighting with the ukrainian rebels. on a voluntary basis, using their leave time to essentially volunteer and fight and in some instances die for the rebel cause in eastern ukraine. a certain amount of plausible deniability. just how plausible is under question. at the moment, the kremlin denying that. the united states saying there will be more consequences for this continued russian support of that insurgency in eastern ukraine. stopping short, president obama indicating exactly what would be done. there have been sanctions implemented in the past. they do not appear to have direct impact on russian polic

keep in mind, however, that i'm about to go to a nato conference. ukraine is not a member of nato. but a number of those states that are close by are. and we take our article 5 commitments to defend each other very seriously. and that includes the smallest nato member as well as the largest nato member and so part of the reason i think this nato meeting is going to be so important is to refocus attention on the critical function that nato plays to make sure that every country is contributing in order to deliver on the promise of our article 5 assurances, part of the reason i'll be going to estonia is to let the estonians know that we mean what we say with respect to our treaty obligations. we don't have those treaty obligations with ukraine. we do, however, stand shoulder to shoulder with them and we're doing not just a lot of work diplomatically but also financially in order to make sure that they have the best chance at dealing with what is admittedly a very difficult situation. >> how about sending arms to ukraine. >> thank you very much. thank you guys. >> president -- >> mr. p

or nato becomes for you first becomes member of the e.u. and then it moves on to join nato so that kind of you know it send wrong signals to do with the russia and russia or ukraine as it is it is it is a different a different story but you know russia is a little more w.d. i think a thing that russian success in in making a big big dent in the uni polar world was the case of syria russia's cooperation with you on is another example that russia wants to make it make a serious dent in the fast to do my seeing the point of war so you know these things are very significant russian chinese exercises military exercises are literally exciting exercise is but most recent exercise is a good example of a kind of russian collaboration for that little sheet and let's talk about this kind of collaboration you know mark it's interesting. that the statement according president putin that the collapse of the soviet union was the worst catastrophe of the twentieth century but it's very interesting again if you look at the context of this if you were to rea

stop the nato enlargement. stop the missile the ploy meant on our borders. -- deployment on our borders. stay out of russia and sees this war on russia. this war on russia. you have to realize it is not what you think you are doing and what you say you are doing and what your intentions are that the fine for us our security interests. only we can define them. you say nato enlargement is not a threat. you say deployment of anti-middle school -- antimissile systems on our is not a problem for us. thirdly, the international order. was perfectlyin happy that the united states would be the leader of the international order. let them make the rules. you can definitely enforce the rules. you are welcome to be the policeman. there are only two criteria or two qualifications to that. we have no problem as long as there is no blowback to russia. we will have the right to veto actions that would be regarded as threatening to us. order.rs a rules-based everybody should go away the rules -- obey the rules except when he dec

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nato military presence in eastern europe. those plans will now have a far greater urgency as one anonymous nato source said, the security situation in europe has now fundamentally changed. simon macgregor wood, al jazeera. >> the united nations is condemning the islamic state group. >> after a video surfaced showing fighters marching 100 captured syrian soldiers to their death. the victims were reportedly slashed and shot. we have more from rullah amin in beirut. >> the obvious 7 tore for human rights said 120 soldiers were executed in the past 24 hours. it's a very large number. it's not the first time that the islamic state execute soldiers and prisoners but it is a large number. it happened after the islamic state was able to take over a military air bass in raqqa profess. 500 people were killed as the islamic state was trying to take it over from the government. when they did, they captured a large number of soldiers and killed many as well. this kind of acts are creating fear, fear in not only the civilian population in

>> it was interesting what he said about nato. again, he missed the crucial was the seas no value in the nonalignment and joining nato. imagine of canada or mexico decided to join an anti-u.s. alignment -- alliance? honestly, the us would be concerned. russia has legitimate concerns about the expansion of nato. we heard the other day come the secretary-general was saying nato is not an approved position , ring increment and and have bases there. it is only further provocation to moscow. there's a battle going on between hawks and doves and obama is sitting on the fence. he should come down the side of the doves and make his position clear, which i think is somewhere to what merkel has done. even she has not yet dare publicly to come out and say she does not want ukraine to join nato. >> jonathan steele, what do you make of the media coverage in the west or the lack of media coverage over the carnage and civilian casualties in eastern ukraine as a result of the ukrainian forces advancing? glad in yourm very report, at least, you pu