and david rohde covered the war in bosnia for the christian science monitor. he's the author of the book: "endgame: the betrayal and fall of srebrenica, europe's worst massacre since world war ii." he's now and editor at reuters. and we welcome both of you. first of all, nicholas burns, remind us, this was a period almost a quarter century ago. this is a small corner of europe. remind us who radovan karadzic was and what happened. >> well, judy, he was the leader of the bosnian serbs. he led that community and its parliament. this was a war by the bosnian serbs to conquer the bosnian muslims, to combat the croat community, the slovenian community. the serbs wanted to create a greater serbia. and karadzic and ratko mladic, the leading general of the bosnian serbs, led a vicious campaign. that war took 100,000 lives at least, 2.5 million refugees, anó it culminated in this great, great tragedy in srebrenica in july 1995 when the bosnian serbs, under karadzic's orders, murdered 8,000 muslim men and boys in two and a half days in a soccer stadium. and that was th