giuliani under the bus. he threw him under the bus at the white house and ran over him again at joint base andrews. he brought it up twice. independently. a choice by the president to make sure that we heard it the first time, so this is clearly a message. one other point i'll make, he said rudy giuliani will come out with a statement, an official version. not only do we not know the truth -- >> it is a great point. it is not just about the stormy daniels payment. rudy ugiuliani said something significant about the reason the president fired james comey. >> great point to bring up. michael zeldin, on that point, the president brought up the issue of obstruction, he continues to say there was no obstruction, the whole investigation into obstruction is a fraud. maybe what was in his head is when rudy giuliani said that the president fired james comey because comey wouldn't publicly exonerate him. the president says, you know, i'm just fighting back. they think it is obstruction. is there a fighting back exempt

and rudy giuliani was just warming up. just getting started in his attack on james comey and on special prosecutor robert mueller's investigation and everyone working for robert mueller, and everything they're doing in the investigation of the president. when rudy giuliani joined the trump legal team just two weeks ago, he said that it would take him a week or two to resolve the entire case. and tonight rudy giuliani said that he is now just trying to keep an open mind about whether president trump should sub mimio an interview with robert mueller. that's how rudy giuliani began his extraordinary interview tonight with sean hannity on fox news. and rudy giuliani sounded professional and judicious for about the first 90 seconds of his interview, and then he went off the rails. he said that he would not allow the president to submit to an interview if rudy giuliani concludes that robert mueller and his staff are not being fair. giuliani then went on a rambling interview calling the mueller investigation a witch hunt, a perju

who wish they had faced this giuliani rather than the giuliani of the mid-'80s who actually was competentn, can you comment on that? i mean, this was america's mayor. people hung on his every word for quite some time. i was a local news reporter in new york city when he was america's mayor. i hung on his every word. he was great to work with, great to ask questions of. the way he responded was very direct and strong. you didn't really challenge a lot of the things he said because he was talking from facts and figures and a basis of a very, you know, strong foundation. how about this guy? >> yeah, you know, i do think you're right about everyone in our country did see him as america's mayor. it's been really difficult to see him fall from grace a little bit. and i think, especially myself, i've been questioning -- you know, i understand he probably really wants to help the president. maybe he believes that he is. but it is difficult to watch. i will say it is because i do think people did root for him for a really long time. a lot of the decisions that he's making right now do seem to be q

rudy giuliani said it. so what rudy giuliani right or was he wrong? >> once again i'm not going to comment on ongoing litigation. >> is that litigation? that's not litigation. >> i mean, to me this is just, more than anything, proof that rudy giuliani and trump team-up is going to be a sloppy and very loud one. they're not going to be careful about this. the more rudy is out there, the more he will say things about this. if i can go briefly to the other interview, i do think it's important that a trump-sympathetic subject who spoke to the counsel said this is focused and fair for russian collusion. there's a reason he may be saying that on tv, which is the medium to which the president likes to get messages, and i think that may matter. >> and it counters a lot of speculation from the president's allies that they don't have anything on collusion. here's michael caputo saying, this is not the case. the senate and white house are fishing, the president is spear fishing. here is a pro clearly spooked sitting across that table and the gravity of the situa

giuliani's mind.n have a little more liability should we say, if that's giuliani's plan. >> talking about liability here, danny, do you think that giuliani will keep his job after this week? >> well, that's -- that's tough to say. as a general proposition, attorneys shouldn't be on air attacking prosecutors. they shouldn't be volunteering factual information that was previously unknown. that doesn't really have anything to do with the underlying investigation. but as you can see, from that clip, as we stand here today or yesterday, trump is very confident in giuliani. and it may be the case that trump doesn't view giuliani as a get into the room, review the documents and try this case attorney. rather, use him as more of a pr-type attorney. and the real work is left to the veteran, to the person who has experience with these motors and that is emmitt flood. >> interesting. danny we'll have this same conversation next weekend. thank you so much. appreciate it. >>> why tuesday's primaries are more impor

is this quintessential rudy giuliani? >> giuliani is kind of a proud bomb thrower, right?ided himself on it. that's always been his kind of mo. he has this kind of operatic quality to him where he likes to draw attention to himself. he didn't do the president any favors today. he basically painted trump into a corner as a liar. the interview was a disaster, in my opinion. >> he said the president liked it. >> objectively speaking, again, the president was painted as a liar, he referred to the money that went to cohen as being funneled through a law firm, which conjured images of money laundering, whether, you know, true or not. it was kind of in sequence with kind of giuliani's behavior over the last few years, which is not really what made him think. right. giuliani was a brilliant tactician, both as prosecutor, as mayor, you know, 9/11, his bombast almost helped. he was courageous, fearless. over the years he's turned far more extreme, questioning obama's patriotism, you know, lashing out at hillary clinton, kind of personal ways and now talking about the fbi as storm tr

that's the rudy giuliani i know. that's the rudy giuliani i miss.i mean even when you look at that -- >> he's gone. >> he used to give a state of the city, lay out something, lay out what his vision, deliver it without notes. he was fantastic. this interview we saw the other night was disjointed. he went into fisa warrants -- he should be doing his job. which is to prep the president. not be his pr guy, but be his lawyer. and seeing him take this tack. now i think knowing rudy, he has reason for it. i just don't see how it turned out to his best interests. >> i can't imagine what that would be. >> as we talked about yesterday, the people he is calling stormtroopers is the same fbi he relied on in the days after 9/11, he walked through the streets with a mask on his face, the southern district of new york that issued the subpoena, is where he worked himself. he was the u.s. attorney in the southern district. these are people he knowed, has respected and worked with. >> he was able to sell himself out in this way so quickly. rudy said it would be wrap

the president did not bring giuliani into the cabinet, giuliani openly craved for secretary of state,idn't get it. is the relationship one of trust? is it one of convenience? what's going on here? >> no, certainly not trust. yes, more desperation than convenience. in donald trump's world, there is the most critical weekend in history is the weekend of the "access hollywood" tape, what bannon called billy bush weekend, and almost everybody involved trump's views of them were formed that weekend. if you were someone who said he should fight, he still loves you to this day. if you were someone who said he should apologize he thought you were terrible. >> which most people said. >> including rudy giuliani and chris christie. however when nobody would defend him that sunday, rudy said i'll do it, and he went on five shows that day. and you would have thought that would endear rudy giuliani to donald trump and yet trump mocked him behind his back. >> at that time? >> at the time. >> mocked his performance -- >> mocked his performance on the sunday shows, even he should have been grateful. w

supposedly, giuliani and trump had agreed that this is what giuliani was going to do.s remember the president's tweets that absolutely underscored everything that giuliani said before he got the blow-back and before then he tried to walk back what i believe was essentially the truth. >> paris, i mean, there are two different things here in a way, which is the mueller investigation, which is what we all thought rudy giuliani was really being brought in for, and then there's really stormy daniels, what he's ended up talking about an awful lot. i mean, he chose to walk down that path with sean hannity, which they walked hand in hand, sometimes awkwardly. >> yeah. i think -- i think there's a reason why emmet flood and raskins are the ones that are his actual criminal attorneys. they're going to be behind the scenes. i promise you -- i can't say that -- i would suspect that they know the answers to the questions that we've been asking. i think there's a reason why rudy giuliani does not know the answer to that. i don't believe he was ever brought on to know those answers a

so giuliani's lying or trump is. the payment to stormy daniels and of course the firing of james comey. let's start with the payment to daniels. here's what giuliani told fox news last night. >> having something to do with paying some stormy daniels woman 130,000, i mean, which is going to turn out to be perfectly legal. that money was not campaign money. sorry, i'm giving you a fact now that you don't know. it's not campaign money. no campaign finance violation. >> they funneled it through a law firm? >> funneled through a law firm and then the president repaid it. oh, i didn't know he did. yes. >> funneled it through a law firm and the president repaid him? president trump said he didn't do that. who's lying? that makes no sense. it would seem to indicate that president trump knew all about it. but that is not what the president said just a month ago on air force one. >> did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no, no. >> why did michael cohen make it -- >> well you have to ask michael cohen. m

that very last comment by giuliani. imagine if this had come out, you know, before the election, that debate with hillary clinton. cohen did his thing. he made it go away. that's unbelievable. i think michael avenatti is somewhere here in the building. that's kind of amazing that giuliani is a lawyer, a prosecutor, could have said such a thing. >> right. let's separate some of these things out. there's no question if the purpose was to silence stormy daniels, the the purpose of the payments is to silence stormy daniels in order for him to win the election -- >> correct. >> -- that is campaign finance. doesn't matter if it came out of someone else's donation -- >> that is right. the furp. >> the critical thing is the purpose. if that's the purpose and giuliani is kind of basically confirming, you can't have this come out, imagine what would happen if it came out during the debate and michael took care of it. >> yep. >> he took care of it. what's the it? keeping her quiet. before the campaign was over. so that's a campaig

that giuliani was winging it. and that giuliani has said he spoke with the president about this, and as we've said all along, the president is his chief legal strategist. so maybe they concocted this together. but it might have been nice for them to talk to the rest of the legal team about whether he ought to be doing this. because their sense of giuliani, from speaking to them today, that is he's the guy who ought to be out there delivering the message they need to deliver. which is, the president's being treated unfairly, comey doesn't tell the truth, the department of justice needs to start dealing with congress, needs to start cooperating, and the president won't testify unless these questions are fair, et cetera. all of that. instead, what he did was he started talking about stormy daniels. he raises an issue nobody wanted to talk about. and oh, by the way, in doing that, he contradicted what the president himself has said. so he created more headaches for this new legal team, not less. >> and harry, you're a

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>> i don't know. >> reporter: giuliani's explanation for that? the president didn't know about the reimbursement until just recently. >> he didn't know the details until we knew the details chas couple of weeks ago. >> reporter: that differs of this tweet that who cohen was on a monthly retainer. he entered into through reimbursement and tweet the agreements are common among celebrities and people of wealth. the agreement was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair. the stunning admission of the president also runs counter to multiple denials of white house officials. >> there was no knowledge of any payments from the president and he's denied all of these allegations. >> reporter: white house press secretary sanders told she learned of the reimbursement last night. >> were you lying to us at the time or in the dark? >> the president denied and continues to deny the underlying claim andive given the best information i had at the time and i would refer you back to the comments you yourself just mentioned a f

giuliani in these appearances. the tone, the way he talks about comey, the way he talks about this investigation. it does seem a little different than we've heard from other legal folks around trump and maybe more trumpian in tone. >> oh, absolutely. rudy giuliani had a long-standing track record as an attack dog for donald trump going back to the 2016 presidential campaign. i remember him going on tv, one of the sunday morning shows, to talk about how in war, anything is legal. therefore, that donald trump's pronouncement that we should when it comes to iraq or whatever other country, keep the oil or take the oil, that that would be perfectly kosher. and also, i just have to add one more thing about giuliani's defense, starting on wednesday of his new boss, president trump. even though he has doubled down again today during his friday statement clarification that there was no campaign finance violation, something he may have inadvertently done starting on wednesday was the way he described how donald trump in giul

rudy giuliani is getting the president in hot water. >> rudy giuliani quoted in an interview with the huffington post saying the president denied the merger. five simple words that have a significant meaning. they contradict everything we have been told up until now about why at&t and time warner were sued to stop this deal. let's go back 18 months. the deal is announced during the campaign. president trump, then candidate trump, opposed the deal. when he came into office, there were questions whether he would try to interfere. the white house denied that. so did the justice department. when the government did sue to block the deal, the doj said, no way trump was involved. this was a decision made by career officials working for what was best for consumers. there's been a denial trump was involved. now rudy giuliani comes along and tells huffington post, the president denied the merger. why is he doing that? he is trying to say, michael cohen, got money from companies, but cohen didn't do anything. he wasn't able to influence the president because the president denied the merger. that

>> i can't speak for mayor giuliani?sident about that. >> reporter: did the president file a fraudulent personal financial disclosure last year when he filed a report that did not include a loan to michael cohen? >> i don't know. you would have to talk to the president's outside counsel. >> reporter: why are you talking about giuliani about the north korean prisoners given that he doesn't have a high-level clearance? >> i'm not aware they spoke about that. i don't know. >> reporter: was he aware that giuliani was going to be talking about them on tv during negotiations? >> i'm not aware they spoke about it so i can't answer that. >> reporter: does the president believe he's above the law -- >> no. >> reporter: and does he -- >> i'll answer the first question. no. >> reporter: does he prefer to sit down with kim jong un versus bob mueller? >> i certainly think that the president feels like stopping a nuclear war and helping protect the safety and security of people across the globe would certainly be the number one priori

you haveswim giuliani now going after the fbi.e had the president make threats against both, and all of them put pressure on attorney general sessions. it's an unprecedented time, and this is really what we tend to think of in third-world dictatorships, this kind of pressure on institutions, as if they are a tool to go after your political adversaries. it's a really troubling time, but it's also an opportunity. we could see our institutions really rise up and solidify themselves. so i think for both attorney general sessions and deputy attorney general rosenstein, it could be a moment of truth here in the coming weeks if they continue to buffer against that while the investigations move forward. >> i think there will be ample opportunities for profiles in courage as we get along here, maybe for all the wrong reasons. hey, carol, i need some more context from you. at this time last night we were talking about emmet flood, brand-new, highly regarded, white-shoe d.c. lawyer, partner in williams and connelly. before he could even move

now let me go to what rudy giuliani said.t's remarkable that he kept saying -- there's no campaign money involved here. well, the problem is, that if it's not campaign money involved here, if it's just michael cohen writing a $130,000 check -- not related to the campaign, that's what we've all been talking about. and i'm not sure where rudy giuliani has been over the past several months. but those are called in-kind contributions. contributions that aren't writ ton donald trump for president. but those are contributions to benefit the president, that don't go into the campaign. that the s.e.c. and the federal government will look at and say, that was an in-kind contribution, could you not give him that dinner for 5,000 of his closest friends and not report that. because anything that benefits the campaign becomes a campaign contribution. whether it's quote campaign money or not. mika, i -- i don't know what's more disturbing, rudy giuliani not knowing that or saying it to sean hannity, who acted like they had both just seen t

rudy giuliani knows i'm real lawyer. the only person that seems to be ignorant as to the law right now is rudy giuliani in two respects. number one, he suggest that is the only way you can have a campaign finance violation if you use campaign funds for the $130,000. that's not even close to being the law and then secondly he seems to suggest recently in the last hour or two relatting to these wiretap allegation that is the president should have been informed that mr. cohen being wiretapped. not only is that not permitted but that's illegal had anyone done it so i'm confident in my abilities and confident in my client. >> i don't know if you saw but george conway, a noted conservative lawyer in washington, d.c., he was talked about as a possible solicitor general candidate for president trump, his wife happened to be kellyanne conway, he tweeted the description of violation might have been occurred with this quote/unquote loan. if president trump, if michael cohen paid this $130,000 to stormy daniels for election purposes

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>> giuliani is just flat-out wrong.he central lesson from watergate is no one is above the law, not even the president. in nixon versus the united states, the u.s. supreme court came in and said the president has to comply with a subpoena. in this case, donald trump could comply with the subpoena, show up for the interview and then plead the fifth amendment. that's his right to do so, but political it would look bad. >> elaborate. if he were to plead the fifth. >> the fifth amendment protects defendants in a court of law, and in legal proceedings. it does not protect anyone in the court of pbs opinion. if he were to plead the fifth, it would cause the majority of americans to wonder what he's hiding and what is he afraid of? >> he has said on several occasions, we played the clips many times, that the mob pleads the fifth. if you have nothing to high, why plead the fifth? if you're not guilty, why are you pleading the fifth? >>> what do you make of the efforts by the house intelligence committee chairman nunes to hold j

and president trump, as you heard, publicly undermined his new attorney rudy giuliani after giuliani created waves for commenting on the stormy daniels matter and then shortly after the president spoke, giuliani himself released a statement attempting to clarify his recent remarks. president trump on clean-up duty. >> rudy is a great guy but he just started a day ago. >> reporter: walking back kpr-- comments from the rudy giuliani. after giuliani appeared on fox news and declared trump had repaid michael cohen for the $130,000 in hush money for porn star stormy daniels' silence. >> rudy knows it is a witch hunt. he started yesterday. he'll get his facts straight -- there has been a lot of misinformation really. people wanting to say -- and i say, you know what, learn before you speak. it is a lot easier. >> reporter: giuliani telling cnn on thursday, you won't see daylight between me and the president. but after suggesting on television the hush money payment to stormy daniels was made to help protect the campaign -- >> imagine if that came out on october 15th, 2016 in the middle of

giuliani giuliani himself talking about the constant contact. this is something we've seen evolve with the president where he's choosing more age peers and people with a longer relationship to be a part of his team in terms of some of the selections where instead of perhaps somebody new on the scene the president has relied on someone who he could relate to. we saw that originally in john kelly, we've seen it with lawrence kudlow who is now in charge of the economic council and with julienanny there's a decades old relationship. he had prepped the president that information related to the michael cohen payment was in the documentation therefore by extension it would be known by investigators, the mueller team, et cetera, and there fore it was imperative they get in front of it. that's the story we've been hearing over the last couple days. the one part of this is that giuliani really has allegiance only to the president as his outside client. he is not someone who has to inform the white house. the president could choose do that, to they'll his

president very pleased, giuliani says. he says they discussed his revelation of the reimbursements in advance, duds not expect to be fired here. insists his remarks on fnc were approved by trump. all right, i want to bring in now cnn political analyst margaret hoover and john walsh and scott jennings. he appeared on fox news and i want to play a tape to talk about the interview. let's play it and then i'll get your response. >> he is now saying that the president did reimburse in someway michael cohen for the payment he said he didn't know anything about. what can you tell us? >> all i can say as you know this is ongoing litigation. i have to refer you for anything on this mat door the president's outside legal counsel. >> has the press team ever talked about the fact anything you may have been told about this publicly? >> we have addressed this many times. i've done it on many shows. raj has done it as well. it is ongoing legislation. we have nothing to say about it. the president has outside counsel, and that's what i'd

rudy giuliani was corda fating on this. today the president said he didn't have the facts straight. >> a fascinating day here where it ends the week a very complicated and chaotic week. but more questions about what exactly the relationship was businesswise with the president michael cohen. and stormy daniels. for months we heard the president saying he had nothing to do with that. now we know of course rudy giuliani he did. now we learn the new information by the "wall street journal" reporting. it highlights the fact that is an unorthodox business arrangement with the president and michael cohen. they've had it a long time rudy giuliani trying to explain that this week. trying to get it out all in the open which he says was a strategy discussed with the president clearly did not work. i think it speaks to the fact very complicated, very murky here. certainly not an ordinary relationship with the president and his lawyer. >> and jeff, what are you learning about what kind of precip giuliani had before the fox interview. >>

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giuliani is a third party. giuliani is speaking on behalf of the president.aybe he's speaking from what the president told him. does that mean he knows michael cohen's side? >> no, i don't think he knows it necessarily. the point i wanted to make is how cohen treats this on his taxes whether it's income or repayment of a loan, whether trump takes it as a business expense, deduction, all that stuff will indicate the intent of the parties that takes it between a civil or criminal willful violation. there's a lot of stuff the prosecutors can gather which will impact that analysis. >> all right. that's a very fine point there. listen, i want to talk about other things that happened during this interview because, ryan, this is rudy giuliani calling jared kushner disposable in the same breath saying ivanka trump is off-limits to the mueller investigation. >> if they do do ivanka, which i doubt they will, the whole country will turn on him. they're going after his daughter. >> what about his son-in-law? >> they talked about him. i guess jared is a fine man. you know

so rudy giuliani here trying to clear this up. also trying to make clear this was not a campaign finance violation. of course that has been the central question about this ever since michael cohen did first admit to making that payment. also he's referencing that other bombshell from that interview where he said that the president fired james comey because james comey wouldn't make a public statement that the president wasn't under investigation, something that james comey says he private lily told the presid but didn't want to say publicly. so really rudy giuliani just two weeks on the job here, erika, since he's been announced as the p president's latest lawyer already having to issue a statement clearing up himself comments. >> or making them clear as mud as you pointed out. i want to bring in our analysts. paul, i want to start with you on this. just to go back to what we just got from rudy giuliani, the counsel to the president, right? so counselor, that second part, which i have to say stuck out to me as well as it did to ka

they're battling with rudy giuliani. there was a phone call this morning that rudy giuliani said i'm not giving you any information. so maybe that could be some of it. but what i will say to you is that for her to say -- for sarah huckabee-sanders, the mouthpiece of the president of the united states to say you don't know me, in certain quarters of this nation, that starts a physical fight. i was very shocked. it was street. i will even go beyond that. it was gutter. and there is no room, no place for that in that white house briefing room. and you know what, she can be mad at what i say right now, tough. i'm a reporter who's going to continue to ask questions. and there was nothing wrong with that question. am i a little upset about it? yes. yes, i am. i am. i am. >> well, phil, you know, you saw the exchange with april there. you heard what jim said. i've seen jim. he's been a bit contentious with him at times. lie after lie after lie. it's a pattern. and it's deliberate, is it? >> it is. let's cut to the chase, don. t

rudy giuliani changed all of that last night in just one interview. he unexpectedly revealed that michael cohen was paid back by donald trump for the $130,000 payment that cohen made to stormy daniels. and he said that this was not a campaign violation. here is giuliani talking about why he did not violate any laws. >> they funneled it through the law firm. funneled through the law firm and the president repaid it. >> i didn't know he did. >> there is no campaign finance law. >> zero. >> the reason this was so staggering is because donald trump, remember, was asked about the payment on air force one last month and he said he didn't know anything about this. let me just remind you, this is what he said last month. >> reporte >> do you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? then why did michael cohen make it if there was no truth -- >> you have to ask michael. michael is my attorney and you'll have to ask michael. >> do you know where he got the money? >> no, i don't know. >> so the legal explanation that giuliani seems to be making is that

he did not say exactly about what rudy giuliani did not have his facts straight about and giuliani did not clarify matters with a statement late today. quote, there is no campaign violation, it reads. "the payment was made to resolve a personal and false allegation in order to protect the president's family. it would have been done in any event, whether he was a candidate or not. my references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge but instead my understanding of these matters." now, maybe it's because i did not go to law school, but i have no idea what that last sentence means. quote, "my references to timing were not describing my understanding of the president's knowledge, but instead my understanding of these matters." giuliani was apparently referring to his claim on fox and friends yesterday that the president only fully learned about his repayments to cohen, monthly bills totaling nearly half a million dollars, very recently. >> he didn't know the details of this until we knew the details of it, which is a couple weeks ago. maybe not even a c

you heard rudy giuliani say as much. imagine if this has come out in october how problematic that would have been. a lot of legal analysts pouncing on those specific remarks and saying that in and of it suggest this payment could have been made to make sure there wasn't damage to the trump campaign. >> well, perfectly teed up our next guest. thank you so much. michael avenatti represents stormy daniels. your reaction to, let's take it from from what we were talking about. rudy giuliani's statement they were trying to make it go away and the timing was october 16th. can you manl what if this had come out around that time. does that make it, in your mind, a campaign contribution? >> well, our position has been the same and that's been it's clearly a campaign contribution. it was made to influence the election. any claim to the contrary is bogus. i'm very disappointed because i had a lot of respect for rudy giuliani, 15, 16 years ago. i thought that the way he handled 9/11 was admirable but he's well past his prime. he's no

your words, the president and rudy giuliani's don't add up. to mr. giuliani, 130,000 sounded cheap? cheap for what. if they didn't do anything, why pay $130,000 for nothing? >> those tweets, while they didn't seem to be written by donald trump, there was still a spelling error. >> role, versus roll. we are watching the white house rose garden. let's talk about this jux da position. we'll see president trump speak in front of 20 0 religious leaders to honor the national day of prayer. this is held every year on the first thursday of may as designated by congress. it's meant to encourage people to, quote, turn to god in prayer and meditation. >> it's also national password day, but that's not part of our agenda. at today's event at the white house -- >> national what? >> password. >> what does that mean? >> encouraging you to get a stronger password. >> don't share it. get a stronger one. >> this is a private moment for you sort of like prayer day. >> president trump is expected to sign a executive order to create a faith based office called the faith and opportunity initiative. we'll

rudy giuliani insulted michael avenatti. we will show you what rudy giuliani had to say.we'll show you his attacks on michael avenatti. and michael avenatti is here to respond.t ve got an idea sir. get domo. it'll connect us to everything that's going on in the company. get it for jean who's always cold. for the sales team, it and the warehouse crew. give us the data we need. in one place, anywhere we need it. help us do our jobs better. with domo we can run this place together. well that's that's your job i guess. ♪ let your inner light loose with one a day women's. ♪ a complete multivitamin specially formulated with key nutrients plus vitamin d for bone health support. your one a day is showing. >>> this morning rudy giuliani had a few things to say about my next guest. >> so i got to bring michael avenatti who represents stormy daniels to -- he wants to get a tv show or something. >> yeah. >> he watched your interview -- >> the tv show he can get is ambulance chaser. he's trying to make up for what he thinks -- he's trying to make money. turned out, when you looked at

but then giuliani said this. listen here. >> imagine if that came out on october 15, 2016. >> sure. >> in the middle of the last debate with hillary clinton. >> so to make it go away they made this -- >> didn't even ask. cohen made it go away. he did his job. >> stormy daniels' attorney who is pictured on the right of stormy daniels is spinning this as big trouble for the president. >> i think our case just got exponentially better in the last 24 hours. we knew we would be able to prove this. it's not what happened in 2006 or 2007. i have been saying this all along. this is about a cover-up. this is about lies told the american people and people trying to pull the wool over people's eyes, citizens of this country. >> a gray area even if you believe the tale that the president reimbursed cohen for expenses incurred. cohen took out a loan on his home line of equity and it could be deemed as a loan to be repaid that could put it in a legal area not favorable to the president. report from nbc news that michael cohen'

but giuliani hasn't been told. you have to believe the president has been informed at some level as the president if this was going on. >> has he spoken with the president at all after hearing of this news? >> i caught him when he was outside. he said he was about to call the president after he spoke with me. he said he would call back if the president had an update. but you have to understand about giuliani and president trump is that they are generational peers. they share a perspective on the department of justice that is, to say the least, quite negative at this moment. i would not be surprised if you see the president share mayor giuliani's concerns. >> daniel, first help us understand the process. the reporting that this wiretap existed. in jegeneral when you hear this kind of news, what does it tell us about what was going on here, what about the feds might have known? >> the first take-away i have is that this means that there were ongoing criminal violations at the time of the wiretap, which, as we know, i

but for rudy giuliani saying that's why he did it. in the midst of him saying there is no obstruction to be built here, and giuliani's description of what he deduced from the list of 49 questions is that they're desperate, they don't have anything. as if the final questions are the last report of the special counsel. it's really important. donald trump's word cannot be taken seriously by friend and foe alike by subjects large and small. rudy giuliani needs to maintain some credibility here, and he really lost it between last night and this morning. >> ryan, up to this point, we have not heard any mention of ivanka trump, the president's daughter, being involved in this investigation in any way, but it did come up last night with rudy giuliani who made it seem really issuing somewhat of a warning, a threat there, of being off limits. >> they do do ivanka, which i doubt they will, the whole country will be in an uproar. his own daughter? a fine woman like ivanka? come on. >> did the president's personal attorney just say the president's

joining me now, so you know rudy giuliani.ed rudy giuliani's first day in office. >> no kidding. >> i was a film producer for fox 5 news here in new york city and i watched him become mayor and covered his first day in office. >> '94. >> he's not the same guy i knew back then. you worked with him a long time. >> i was his chief speechwriter in his second term and went with him through 9/11 and remained incredibly proud working with him and the work he did to say new york city. even before 9/11 i think transformed the city. and i think folks who are fired up about this stage and his defense of trump, look we're in a family feud as a country right now. and good people can disagree. but also you've got to see the guy's career and everyone's career in full context. and whut at he did oas mayor wa extraordinary. >> when i look at him i just wonder, like, what is he doing? you can be a supporter of the president and still go on television and not, you know, say the wrong things. >> i don't think anybody -- maybe it's easier for me t

why is giuliani saying these conclusive remarks?e's playing the loose cannon bad cop call it what you will. >> i thought donald trump was playing that. >> to set up whatever negotiation will be. politically, i think donald trump's willing to take the risk that if they try to impeach him or indict him for firing comey, that politically, that will be a winner for him. he's willing to take that risk. that's why they're going after comey, hammer and tong every day, the book, the money, the name calling. >> pervert. >> if that is bob mueller's chief example of obstruction of justice. >> i think you're on to something. i think that's the story. the roundtable will stick with us. up next, these three will tell me something else i don't know. you're watching "hardball." ♪ oh you're simply the best ♪ better than all the rest ♪ better than anyone ♪ anyone i've ever met ♪ i'm stuck on your heart, the best just got bigger. ♪ i hang on every word you say applebee's new bigger bolder grill combos. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. my mo

last night was that rudy giuliani as opposed to the rudy giuliani who was the subject of the book, emperormmanded a lot of respect. he seems to be the trump of the legal team which is very dangerous for the legal team. who knows if emmett is going to handle this. i wants to make a comment about sarah huckabee sanders, i almost feel her pain. she knew what she was getting into when she took this job. i will say if i were her i would quit. >> why? >> what trump did last night. let's put aside his disdain for the american people every time he lies to them. which is almost every single day. if not more. the disdain and the disrespect that he showed not just his legal team, but the communications team, the person that goes out every day to represent him, and the government of the united states at that podium and then put her in a situation where she had to say, after she has already been seen as someone who lies to the press, now she's seen as someone who's completely out of the loop. her credibility has been irrecably ruined, i believe. >> i think there needed to be from the beginning a legal