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he's not allowed to talk about the justice department. what if he called up bob barr and said what's going on? that would have been a scandal. it needs to be reined in significantly. bill barr has fallen into a trap laid for him by these prosecutors. now they created another scandal laid for them in the coup. all this passes. it will come down to they are concerned that barr might actually do the right thing. -and they want to stop him from prosecuting the criminal gangs. >> i think it's clear, too, the radical dimms, the deep state are beginning an effort to stop this president from fulfilling his charge now. have you heard all the talk about he's vindictive, he's vengeful? how about he's bringing justice. these people were trying to destroy this man, his family, the presidency. and to do it in front of the national left-wing media which has sold out. and to be a check against such corruption. who a federal court just said publicly, we can't believe a darn thing the fbi is telling us on fisa warrants. and we have the attorney general com

it's supposed to be the justice department. yes, trump has to call other people corrupt because he is. the justice department is supposed to be the entity removed from that. they're now completely corrupt themselves. >> the intelligence community has been weary of two things. durham's scope and even though he was viewed as an honest broker in the investigation into the torture case, because it was shorthanded. there's been concern around two things. one, that it was around facts and two it was around something not knowable. they were seeking to open opprocess they didn't understand. >> both of those are really good points. and the gina haskell one will be a very interesting thing to watch. you've seen inside the justice department. she has not gotten to that point yet. and if there's -- if she winds up not defending the cia officials, then you could see that her having similar problem and she hasn't yet. >> i'm sure clapping didn't help. thank you both for spending some time with us. when we come back, bernie sanders live rally

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the justice department, that u.s. attorney's office particularly, does not ask for below guideline sentences in cases like this in livi. in living memory, they do not do that. but the attorney general is going to say, yeah, that was a totally normal thing for him to have done, to intervene in that case and insist on a below guideline sentence. just a totally tuesday morning, run of the mill kind of thing. and it only looks weird because coincidentally and totally and separately apart from his independent decision making on that, the president called for lien jens for that defendant. here, plainly, among us citizens, let us not abandon our powers of reasoning and common sense. i mean here, plainly, despite the official lie that was rolled out today to try to alleviate this crisis, here, plainly, the attorney general intervened personally to do this most unusual, once in a lifetime thing for the president's friend because that guy was the president's friend. and there is now broadcast on abc news an official lie about t

justice department. and the city's prime minister says he will soon step dying but that it's got nothing to do with his alleged involvement in the murder of his a strange white the and the as. police in germany are treating a mass shooting in the western city of hono as an act of terrorism 9 people were killed when a gunman went on a shooting rampage on wednesday nights chancellor angela merkel has condemned the attack and says there are many signs the perpetrator acted out of racism dominic cain has the latest from berlin. this is where the shooting started one of 2 she should've asked to be targeted which were known to be frequented by members of the kurdish community the 43 year old perpetrator made his way into each place and then opened fire indiscriminately on innocent people finally fleeing the scene in a car to go home and kill his own mother before then taking his own life the shock of the local community is mirrored by that of government ministers who confirmed their primary line of inquiry it'

it was the justice department's decision, barr said. he also, though, added this rare rebuke, this criticism of president donald trump, barr telling abc news that the president's tweets, his online commentary about the justice department make his job impossible to do. fred, we got a bit of a response from the white house to those criticisms this morning. take a listen to mark short, the vice president's chief of staff, in an interview on cnn. >> i don't think it's impossible to do his job. in fact, i think attorney general barr is doing a great job. he has a lot of confidence inside the white house. i think the president's frustration is one that a lot of americans have, which feels like the scales of justice are not balanced anymore. there has been a bias that attorney general barr is trying to correct. he has said that the president has not called him directly to say please do these things. he has acted independently to initiate these reviews and i think he's doing a fantastic job of it. >> there again is marc short, the vice presiden

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a justice department independent of the president? the only problem with that is the department justice isn't independent. can you think an executive branch that is independent of the president or should be? we'll take that up and more with america's mayor. rudy giuliani. lou: as i said at the outset of tonight's broadcast. over 2,000 former justice department employees signed a petition that calls on attorney general william barr to resign for what they call is interference in roger stone's sentencing case. the letter formed about it activist group called protect democracy is a straight-out radical dimm enterprise and never trump organization. it's been around since 2017. it decried the president's statements on stone as interference. yet the never trump resistance shows how deeply embedded the radical dimms are in the justice department. protesting the president's constitutional authority, how can anyone say the justice department is independent of the administration when it contains a nationality security division. who the hell wou

by today, he was publicly thanking the department of justice. as for the reaction from republican senators, well, you can pretty much guess. take a look. >> are you concerned at all about political influence -- >> i'm sorry. i have a vote. >> any concern about roger stone, sir? >> so you don't have any concerns of what some say is a continuing pattern of some political intervention in a -- >> i got real concerns about overzealous prosecution. more than anything else. >> senator graham went on to say he's, quote, not losing any sleep, unquote, about the four prosecutors. senator john thune said, "it's all best to allow the legal system in this country to work the way it was intended." interpret that how you will. which are words the president has never actually shown any sign of living by whether it's speaking out repeatedly in the paul manafort case or behalf of michael flynn or calling for comey and others to be prosecuted. in fact, the only time he seems to have spoken out against presidential involvement was when someone else was president. >

>> it indicates to me the mood of the justice department is dark. we've gone through three years of constant developments that suggest the president doesn't respect the rule of law, that he thinks there should be favoritism with respect to people that are close to him and special different kind of negative treatment for people who are opposed to him. when you have an entire team of line prosecutors, career prosecutors who step away from a case after being humiliated by their bosses in washington and not only that but being blindsided in finding out there was a change in the sentence and they learned about it on fox news station, that tells you how bad things are. >> we're learning that bill barr has interviewed on other high cases to the president like the case of michael flynn. is that appropriate? >> it depends on what he said and did and if there's a pattern developing, it's problematic. the attorney general of the united states is allowed to and has a responsibility to oversee the department and oversee the people in the department and keep an e

we have a crisis at the justice department. we have another set of documents, duncan hunter, republican forced out of office through prosecutors there attended a hillary clinton campaign party and told the court the reason they were there was to provide advice in the case of a security incident. turns out they were there because they wanted to be there. it was a fabulous body, lying to the court further suggesting another compromised investigation and prosecution of another republican/conservative. the justice department is in crisis not because donald trump is complaining about it but the misconduct of attorneys throughout the agency who are partisan and think they can do whatever they want and get away with it. >> thanks for not letting them get away with it, at least doing everything anyone can, you and judicial watch doing the lord's work, thank you. up next secretary of state pompeo on china's rising threats, stay with us, we will be right back. imagine traveling hassle-free with your golf clubs. now you can, with shipstic

>>> i want to thank the justice department. they saw the horribleness of a nine-year sentence for doing nothing. >> if i thought he'd done something that would change the outcome, i'd be the first to say. >> what is more stinky than the most powerful person in the country changing the rules to benefit a crony guilty of breaking the law. >> we are taking on trump, the republican establishment, carville and the democratic establishment. >> i'm screaming about the revolution. give people an alternative. >> we need someone who is going to be able to unite this party. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning. and welcome to your "new day," thursday, february 13th. it's 8:00 in the east. the question this morning, who will stand up to president trump during what one senator called his retribution tour. we have an answer. his former chief of staff, john kelly, in a way is standing up. at least he did overnight. the retired marine corps general defended lieutenant colonel alexander vindman who was fire

although he stayed within the justice department. another prosecutor not only took her name off the case, she quit the justice department all together. sound familiar? those resignations happened in the fall. but today, finally, finally, after all of this, finally, they dropped the case against mccabe. they will no longer try to bring criminal charges against andrew mccabe. they will close this matter. why did they give this up today? in the movie version of this moment in american life, somebody has had an awakening of conscience and recognized that it's really wrong and really bad for this country, quite injurious to our status as a rule of law country, for a president to keep publicly demanding criminal investigations of people he's decided are his enemies. somebody realizes, somebody has a come-to-someone moment and decides it's even more wrong for an attorney general to listen to those demands from a president and try to bring about those prosecutions that the president is demanding. in the movie version of this crisis, where am

the attorney general runs the department of justice. they all report to him so you make these calls. some of them from the outside appear, you know, questionable. to some of us who have looked at it from the outside, not having looked at the file, but,d you know, mccabe, it's like the talking points didn't change when the charges were dropped. they would have been the same talking points if he had been indicted.ha he actually got from his perspective what would be a fair shot and it doesn't stop him from complaining that somehow the system was unfair. they even considered bringing charges. when he admitted to lying to investigators. >> you've been watching the judicial department here. is there going to be a two tiered system or will we have justice? >> in my view, if it's an indication, comey was referred to the justice department under attorney general barr for prosecution for leaking the president's fbi files, lying about it including classified information.n. they refused to proceed. you have the significant criminal activity by the

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justice department over this. that this is something that appears to be a miscommunication of sorts that happened here at the justice department, wolf. >> evan, standby. i want to go to the white house, and kaitlan collins is working the story for us. the two prosecutors resigned after the president, after president trump publicly criticized the justice department's original recommended sentence for stone. what are you hearing? what is the latest? >> yeah, wolf. two of the four who signed on to the sentencing recommendation. we saw the one that the president said that he believed was disgraceful and was tweeting about just last night saying that this is a horrible and very unfair situation. he said that the real crimes were on other side as nothing happens to him, and wolf, this is the key line from the president, and he said, we cannot allow this miscarriage of justice. so the president is not saying there at the end that he is going to pardon roger stone and something that he has left the door open and not rulin

as a result some resigned from the justice department. a clear signal they believe the revised sentencing conflicted with their ethical obligations as prosecutors. of course it was not enough for the president to just lean on the justice department to make it easy on his old pal. the president went on publicly to attack the judge who will decide mr. stone's fate, another example of the president's blatant contempt for the independence of the judiciary. in the past, chief justice roberts has spoken out in defense of the independence of the judicial branch. when the president during his campaign attacked judge kuriel, the chief justice released a statement saying we do not have obama judges, bush judges or clinton judges. we have an extraordinary group of dedicated judges doing their level best to do equal right for those appearing before them. the independent judiciary is something we should all be thankful for. that's what justice roberts said, chief justice roberts. well, president trump is once again attacking a federal judge, in this c

department and how much we should trust him to make sure justice department decisions are handled in a way that's independent of the president's personal interests. i mean just in the past couple of weeks we have learned that attorney general william barr personally intervened in the criminal case involving this man after he was convicted by a jury of seven felony counts. before attorney general barr intervened personally to wipe out the sentencing recommendation for roger stone, we'd never before known of any attorney general personally getting involved at the sentencing phase for a convicted felon to try to get the person off. even though we had never heard about that before he did it with roger stone, we would soon thereafter learn he had done it before the roger stone case too. we have since learned that attorney general barr has apparently intervened to reduce the sentencing recommendation in ht flynn case. he also brought in a whole set of lawyers chosen by him personally to review the whole flynn case and apparently sort of hijack it from the prosecutors who had been handling

and department of justice. the prosecutors filed what they said they wanted with the sentencing guidelines that they backed and almost immediately the justice department said, you know, furious. attorney general barr was furious saying we are going to reverse this. they moved in to take over. it all happened in the last few days. >> what do we know about the earlier iteration of this. one thing that is so key is that it happened weeks ago with the flynn sentencing memo and everybody scratched their heads. the justice department wasn't on the level about it. it all happened. we were seeing it from outside the box. >> right. nobody resigned. there was not a public spectacle about it. this is the story that we did last night. officials outlined to us what they see as a pattern of barr moving in to exert more control over these cases that president trump is very interested in. it happened in the flynn case, things were contentious between flynn and the prosecutors. he accused them of setting him up. on january 7th,

the department of justice has been under fire. bill barr under fire over the moves perceived as politically and furtherance of the president's agenda. >> this is not the first time that doj lawyers withdrawn for a case in similar circumstances in this administration. >> absolutely. bill barr had trouble in the case involving whether there should be a citizenship question on the census. it went to the supreme court. supreme court ruled against the trump administration and went back to the lower court and unbelievably the justice department said they were going to put the question on there. 11 justice department lawyers asked to resign from the case just as the 4 did this week and the judge actually held their feet to the fire and he said he wanted to know the reason. two were changing jobs and the other nine he made them come in and explain why. it will be very interesting to see if judge jackson next week wants to know the reasons that the four doj career attorneys withdrew and that the justice department substituted a new recomme

the bar is pretty high for prosecuting inside the justice department. they don't prosecute their own willingly or easily. lou: a bunch of officials who run the place, i don't think there is a high standard for anything in the justice department or the fbi. i don't think we should say every other person in the justice department or fbi is a good solid american who means well in their public service. i don't believe that at all. these people had to have enablers. they had to have people working with them. they didn't step forward,er in not going to step forward because they fear for themselves and their livelihoods such as it is. >> this is an area where the journalists can play a constructive role. we ought to look at the other cases that haven't gotten the same scrutiny. all the scriewt any by the fbi was on carter page. what about the papadopoulos case and the flynn case? i predict in the next few weeks we'll learn about potential misconduct, deception and other things that went won -- went wrn other parts of the investigation. i know the frustration y

certainly with the justice department. late today, we get news

there was no department of justice to go along with that position. it was just a stand alone guy who was, frankly, was pretty powerless. in the 19th century, had was powerless and in the 20th, that's when this became a play thing of the executive branch. and in the 20th century, different presidents, depending on their ethics, i guess, is what it really boils down to in some cases started to abuse the fact that the doj was under their direct control. >> i want to show you the president's tweet from monday night. where you have the president, you know, weighing in publicly, tweeting this about the prosecutor's recommendation of a seven to nine-year sentence for roger stone. some had said it's quite harsh, but if you look at the sentencing guidelines, it looks like it's in line with the federal sentencing guidelines. you have the president tweeting this is a very horrible and unfair situation. is it unusual, though, that you have a u.s. president weighing in, from modern presidents if look back? >> absolutely. absolutely. >> okay. >> so, really the hig

there's the latest example of the weaponization of the justice department. "the new york times" is reporting that john durham -- john durham is a prosecutor assigned by william barr to look at the origins of the russia investigation or as the president said, oranges, the russia investigation. he appears to be hunting for reasons to excuse or to accuse, excuse me, the obama administration intel officials of hiding evidence, okay. the fbi, the nsa, have both told durham that he is wrong, and the justice department's own inspector general found the fbi properly opened its investigation. and let's remember. bill barr did everything that he could to get out in front of the mueller report, to frame it in a way that would make the president happy, putting out a letter with his own conclusions weeks before the report was released to the public. a transparent attempt to distract from mueller's actual conclusions. and over the objection of mueller himself. so, remember he wrote that barr's letter did not fully capture the context, nature and substance of this office's

even the justice department opposes that. as jonathan said, roger stone has to be looking at these pardons and thinking maybe there's one for me in this at some point down the road. >> thanks both to you. and coming up, slash and burn, hours ahead of tonight's debate, bernie sanders skyrockets to the top of the polls. jeff weaver joining us live next right here in las vegas. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. - [spokeswoman] meet the ninja foodi pressure cooker, the best of pressure cooking and air frying now in one pot, and with tendercrisp technology, you can cook foods that are crispy on the outside and juicy on the inside. the ninja foodi pressure cooker, the pressure cooker that crisps. but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr, a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz can lo

it's really the justice department's manhattan office. let's call those justice department field offices. there's also one in d.c. the u.s. attorney for the district of columbia. but it nonetheless is a field office. there has always and often been tension between field offices and the home office, main justice. had you ever imagined anything like this, paul? >> this is unprecedented. it's not unusual for there to be conflicts between u.s. attorney's offices and main justice about important issues like how much time a defendant ge gets. but those are resolved behind closed doors. brian, it sounds corny, but when career prosecutors join the department it's because they want to do justice without fear or favor. they don't sign up to bring political prosecutions to help the president's friends and to punish his enemies. and so when these four prosecutors resigned they sent a very loud message. they're not allowed to hold press conferences or go on tv. the clear message from their stepping down is that the justice department is on life suppor

for career prosecutors quit, the president criticized the department of justice calling it the department of justice with the word justice". then bar spoke up. >> i think it is time to stop the tweeting about the department of justice criminal cases. >> not even 24 hours after the attorney general asked the president to stop tweeting about d.o.j., president trump did just that and tweeted about d.o.j. this morning. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell backed william barr's complaint. >> i think the attorney general says it's in the way of getting his job, maybe the president should listen to the attorney general. >> some are skeptical about the attorney general's message. >> what he is saying, i know what president trump wants, i will do exactly what trump wants, i just wish he would not tweet about it because it's so embarrassing. >> a justice department official declined to comment that bar and trump have talked since interview yesterday, the same official did say despite rumblings, the white house and d.o.j. did not cordon eight the interview, bar spoke briefl fred spoke what was on

when people at the justice department talk to the white house, if you work at justice, not only do you want to avoid actual impropriety. you want to avoid even the appearance of improper contact with the white house because of what that dwus the public's ability to have faith in the justice system. if the system looks rigged, who wants to comply with it? it is a horrible, slippery slope. what we're now looking at is the specter of actual impropriety of bill barr. may be he didn't actually have a conversation with the president. in some ways, i think it is far worse if what barr is doing is looking at a sentencing recommendation and thinking to himself, this won't make the president happy. instead of doing this recommendation that comports with the law, that congress has established for sentencing, i'll going to take it upon myself to do a favor. >> and then everybody else in america gets a tough sentence unless you happen to be a donald trump friend or as roger stone convicted of, lying for donald trump. a thank you both. roger stone donald trump's longest serving adviser. someone who

and heish pud to the department of justice. if you or i thought something improper happened, the letter says they couldn't even do a preliminary investigation without him personally signing off on it. so he closed off that door. then we come to this week. and mitch mcconnell will not allow the election protection bills to a vote. we put this all together. we have a process in which the president is impeached, he is acquitted. we know his intention to continue to engage in that behavior. he came right out and. china, why don't you have at it. and then you have the attorney general saying, if anyone wants to report misconduct and start an investigation, i have to personally sign off on it. he basically takes full control of the fbi. and then you have the senators who will notss these election s bills that have been sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk since last fall. from my perspective, what i'm most worried about is the protection of our election in 2020 which i think is in serious peril. every united states senator who voted aga

that is not where you want the justice department to be by the name being the justice department. you want the sincere impression that lady justice is blindfolded and that she keeps it on even when the president tweets. when you have attorney general barr, when you have u.s. attorneys quitting and resigning entirely from the department of justice, one who by the way is a former merrick garland clerk, a justice brieer clerk, people not looking to have anything other than a life of service saying hold on, if i can't walk into court tomorrow for the next person who's lied to congress, made a false statement or had an assault charge to say i think this person is appropriate to be under the guidelines, it's all lost. and we continue to lose faith in the justice system. and frankly you would think attorney general barr would hold back -- it's a scary time. >> the judge to watch right now is judge amy berman jackson who has the roger stone case. stone's lawyers today filed a motion for a mistrial because the lead juror turns out to have been a partisan democrat who was posting things on

but why pardon him if you can get the justice department to reduce their sentence? >> i think it is probably a good thing he doesn't go around pardoning people -- anybody charged or convicted that's related to him. but i don't think there's anybody out there who thinks he's not ultimately going to pardon roger stone at the end of the day. >> zack, thanks so much. good to see you. >>> charges filed against an uber driver who took passengers on a vengeful ride. you why green mountain coffee roasters nantucket blend is so smooth. let's go to one of the places the coffee comes from... honduras. this is mario. and his wife, sheyla. mario grows coffee that helps make nantucket blend taste phenomenal. so we support his recycling of nutrient rich water. to help make his soil rich. his coffee delicious. and his land stunningly beautiful. it's the second most stunning thing in his life. number one being sheyla. all, for a smoother tasting cup. green mountain coffee roasters. packed with goodness. thouwhich is breast cancer metastthat has spreadcer, to other parts of the body,

the bar is pretty high for prosecuting inside the justice department. they don't prosecute their own willingly or easily. lou: a bunch of officials who run the place, i don't think there is a high standard for anything in the justice department or the fbi. i don't think we should say every other person in the justice department or fbi is a good solid american who means well in their public service. i don't believe that at all. these people had to have enablers. they had to have people working with them. they didn't step forward,er in not going to step forward because they fear for themselves and their livelihoods such as it is. >> this is an area where the journalists can play a constructive role. we ought to look at the other cases that haven't gotten the same scrutiny. all the scriewt any by the fbi was on carter page. what about the papadopoulos case and the flynn case? i predict in the next few weeks we'll learn about potential misconduct, deception and other things that went won -- went wrn other parts of the investigation. i know the frustration y

it is the department of justice, right? and has to be justice for everyone in the united states, including the defendant. and so this back and forth and so on, i just find it not something that is going to instill confidence in the american people, in the administration of justice, so important today given the president's statements, given all the other concerns that people express on a constant baseis. >> yeah, jim, stick with me. to shimon prokupecz. whoo do y what do you think? >> jim is right. this is what the judge said today is about. the administration of justice. you have a president who is attacking the administration of justice who believes this case should have never been brought, that this has been unfair. and you have prosecutors who just in open court, on the record for all to hear, saying that the prosecution is righteous. and that the department of justice operates without fear, favor or political influence. we have not heard this before in this case. right. this case has not been -- it is political from the

justice department needs to stand apart and be independent. that's why i signed the letter. >> jim, obviously, very clearly, you did not sign the letter. i want to make sure that people know that. but it was signed by department of justice officials who have worked you aren't both democratic and republican administrations. and they wrote in part, governments that use the enormous power of law enforcement to punish their enemies or reward their allies are not constitutional republics, they are autocracies. what do you think are wrong about what these officials are saying? >> first off, i think they had a tremendous rush to judgment on that. and the fact that bill barr immediately said, yeah, i'll go and talk before congress on this issue tells you all you need to know. and in this instance, the u.s. attorney came to bill barr. it was not the other way around, according to the reports of the justice department. and also, the supervisors, the folks that are supervisors in the u.s. attorney's office called into question the decisions that were mad

that's not why you sign up for the fbi or the department of justice. you sign up because you're all about the rule of law. and the sooner the president can figure that out, the better off we all will be. >> skeptics in the audience looked at a.g. barr's remarks in the abc news interview, especially skeptics in the audience who are adept at surviving office politics, let's say, and they came up with a scenario in their minds that barr went to the boss and said, , i got to kick you around a little bit in an interview because i just have to because of this roger stone case, et al. what was your take as also a veteran of figuring out interpersonal communications? >> yeah, i'm one of those skeptics on this abc interview, brian. look, the attorney general has been disingenuous with us. i think he speaks with forked tongue, and here's why. you laid it out earlier. there was a freedom of information act request that was about to expose a federal judge, saying, hey, this thing stinks to high heaven. you better bring charges on mccabe or move on because this loo