ireland is 11 even aussies are 21 where the richest country we are 25 malcolm nance represents the very worst of punditry the same guy who went to twitter to urge isis to carry out a suicide attack on trump tower how does anybody keep their job as something as despicable like that and nbc news continues to pay him as the intelligence analyst. jon: and a military veteran at that. let me play another clip from that debate. >> critical race theory is the subject because the republican right made it is subject. no real school organizations. >> every democrat takes the prospectus and they will be shellacked at the polls. >> no real school organizations are mandating this for kids? that is flat-out wrong. >> yes. some call that ally on national television that is easy to fact check even ahead of the teachers union said they are putting together a warchest of money to defend teaching critical race there he in schools. it is happening already some states including florida have banded so to say it's not being taught is an alternate reality that malcolm nance often lives in. jon: other topic, whi

malcolm nance, thank you very much. >>> on this four-year anniversary of charlottesville, an event joe biden said inspired him to run for president, it's also a reminder that biden chose the third anniversary of that racist outrage, one year ago today, to make history by announcing a black and asian-american woman, senator kamala harris, would be his running mate. in a tweet today biden called it one of the most important decisions i have ever made. i couldn't ask for a better friend on this journey. >>> and getting outright hostile and threatening violence, as schools reopen. >> we will finding you. >> do not go out in public again. >> that mob going after medical officials after a school board meeting in tennessee. education secretary miguel cardona joins me. >>> plus senator sherrod brown is here over the democrats' biggest priorities. >>> and the republican fettish for locking up their political rivals. "the reidout" continues after this. he rei dout" continues afte this as someone who resembles someone else... i appreciate that liberty mutual knows everyone's unique. that's why th

. >>> with me now, malcolm nance. i don't know if you were able to hear what jane said because it sounds to me as if the burden sharing isn't exactly equal. there are all of these nato countries that are essentially saying it's all up to you, the united states. it sounds to me like the military are doing quite a thorough job. they've gotten a lot of people out. you wouldn't know it from listening to the coverage but they've gotten a lot of people out. what do you make of the fact this isn't a shared responsibility so much as it's being made only america's responsibility? >> well, it's american responsibility because we maintain the air bridge, we maintain the links to dohar and we control the airport with our combat controllers. that's the air force teams that actually run the airport properly. so we have more lift capacity than just about everyone. when we brought that air bridge to descend down into the karzai airport, it became our responsibility. and it's better that it's under our control because our nato allies

. >> we just spoke to our terrorism analyst, malcolm nance. he told us we're dealing with a different taliban than existed in 2001. others have said that in different ways in this broadcast. that lessons might have been learned, there might be a different willingness to provide safe haven to terrorists. sounds to me like a naive american hope that sometimes gets us into trouble. do you see any evidence that the taliban 2021 remix is different than the original 2001 album? >> well, i think anybody that predicts how this is going to turn out is being either naive or just plain foolish. we know that 20 years have gone by. we know that some of the original taliban leaders are no longer alive. we have, we do know that they're willing to negotiate. they were negotiating during the trump administration. those negotiations essentially stop when trump announced that all american troops would be out in may of this year. so we'll see what goes on here, but what really should happen is the united states, the european allies should reach out to whomever th

also with me, malcolm nance, author of "the plot to betray america, how team trump embraced our enemies, compromised our security, and how we can fix it." malcolm, in january 2002, if i'm not mistaken, you visited afghanistan on an intelligence trip. was there any indication when you look back in the light of what we saw today and what we know now, was there any indication that you can recall that this was an unwinnable war from the beginning? that things would inevably end this way? >> well, certainly, because anyone who did their research going as far back as, you know, you don't have to go all the way to alexander the great, you can go to the first afghan/british war in 1839 to 1843, where the british suffered a humiliating defeat and they did the exact same thing we did. we went in, occupied the urban areas, and of course, the tribal sheikhs, you know, sided with their principal war lord, and literally obliterated the british force down to three men, which they allowed to escape back to pakistan or at that time, west india, and to get the word out. then, of course, we had the britis

msnbc malcolm nance, author of "the plot to betray america." you heard the congressman say that he does think it's as simple that they lack the political will. i'm curious your take on that. do you think it's as simple that the afghan people lack the political will to defend themselves? >> well, one of the things that you have to factor in here is the one thing that most americans don't ever factor in, and that we are dealing with another culture which is completely unlike ours. the byzantine politics that they carry out over there are done at the tribal level, the provincial level, the family level, and then work its way up to this centralized government that we installed. the taliban, you have to understand, are men about my i do a late 50s, early 60s. they have been fighting since they were children against the soviet union, war lords in afghanistan. they created the islamic em rat of afghanistan and then spent the last 20 years fighting us. at some point they're going to want to stabilize the new islamic em rat again. and by bringing the ir