will use the stop any type of action and security council . we have other means we must use those other means to push back against russian aggression and war crimes that we're seeing today. and you crank professor richard painter from the university, and i said, i want to thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us today on the news . thank you. and one of ukraine's and neighbors, moldova is one of the poorest countries in europe. but it has taken in hundreds of thousands of ukrainians fleeing the war of his prime minister was at a donor conference in berlin, calling for more international support to help with the new arrivals. germany, france and romania along with other donor countries, agree to almost 660000000 euros in 84 in the country. the conference is to be the beginning of long term support for moldova with 40 nations taking part. germany has pledged an immediate loan of 50000000 euros and says more than 659000000 euros have been promised in loan's budget support and other financial assistance. if i'll finish no, i like we

council and the security council also resolution passing any of these measures have to have in majority, which includes all the 5 permanent members of which russia is one. which means that russia can be 2 and your solution. this is very similar to the discussion we have today about the insufficiency of the security council is similar to discussion. we had around 20012002. and when the united, when the united states wanted the resolution allowing or demanding the nation will be rock, we don't have government. the security council is the best we thought cannot act without all the permanent 5 members of the security council agreeing. or at least not the 2. and that's, of course russia, united states is the united kingdom it's, it's france. and it is china today, the people's republic of china. now it's the best we've got, the un security council zalinski is calling for a reform of that council to not let permanent member russia go unpunished. there have been calls for such reform before. could this war now be the impetus to push for that change? perhaps some kind of mechanism to override a

he's actually talking about un security council reform to the actual security council itself. and that has to be noted that's going to be a landmark criticism of the own security council and rochester, and just on the point of, well, what zalinski had to say. i mean, one more thing that he really did speak about is bringing justice immediately and he kept calling for accountability. that's absolutely right. and that's been echoed by the legal system here in ukraine. and now what he's calling for is international accountability. one special tribunals. he want something similar to what happened after the 2nd world war. and the nuremberg trials were people who were responsible for the crimes who gave the orders were actually punished. he's looking for something like that. now within the ukraine legal system itself. and people who are involved in the area, they say that if we call gay international justice, we will do it here at home. we will bring people to trial here in ukraine, even if we have to do it in absentia. even if we can't get russians to, if we can't get russians. exp

the security council is the best. we can not act without all the permanent 5 members of the security council agreeing, or at least not the 2. and that's, of course, russia, united states is the united kingdom it's, it's france and it is china today, the people's republic of china. now it's the best we've got the un security council, the landscape calling for a form of that council to not let permanent member russia go unpunished. there have been calls for such reform before. could this war now be the impetus to push for that change? perhaps some kind of mechanism to override a veto with enough support from member nations. i think that we have to take any opportunity to reforming the meeting is strengthened the united nations and indeed the security council. however, it's not very likely that countries which today won't action against russia, that they would accept that they themselves should be subjected to any override. and that's the problem that the international lawyers can't just decide. something for those who y

he also says, where's the security that the security council guarantees excuse the council doesn't work effectively. and this was a very key part of the speech. he basically accused the united nations that a security council of failing. he said, the united nations is there to maintain peace. russia violated article one. so what's the point of the other articles? now, he went on to say that russia is going to blame every one. and they'll say that these events and mutual stage, but they are, but we will investigate. we will involve the i, c, c, the international criminal court. that's going to be difficult because russia isn't a signatory to that particular international body, but he's got they got the ukrainians are going to push that as far as i can. he also said, sorry, the rest of the war criminals in the world, that if the biggest criminal russia can be punished, they all will be. but he then said, if russia gets away with this, then there is no international law. he need to act immediately. the security council needs to be reformed. the veto can't be the right to die and who is refe

they will use the stop any type of action and security council. we have other means we must use those other means to push back against russian aggression and war crimes that we're seeing today. and you crank professor richard painter from the university minister. i want to thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us today. until the news. thank you. dr. for weeks under russian occupation, the world is only now finding out what happened in the town of butcher graphic evidence of killings and torture has emerge since russian troops were treated bodies lying in the streets and piled up in mass graves. those who have survived are telling their stories. he w. nick connelly visited butcher to hear 1st hand what life was like with the russian armies. first attempt to take boucher was over no matter of hours and it ended like this. soon enough. they were back and back to stay. for a month, the shelling the shooting barely stopped. those outside us included could only guess what life in boucher was really like. baba, hollow cushion, they the ban

will use the stop any type of action and security council . we have other means we must use those other means to push back against russian aggression and war crimes that we're seeing today. and you crank professor richard painter from the university minister. i want to thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us today until the news. thank you. well, russia denies accusations that it's troops committed, war crimes, in butcher. it claims the bodies found on bushes, streets only appeared after its forces withdrew from the town. but visual evidence contradicts that narrative. the new york times has published satellite images which show a street in boucher and is the 1st image is from february 28th. that before russian troops took control of the town we're looking at now is from mid march when the russian and military occupied chap. now this outlines the bodies of civilians which have been there for weeks and joined now by malika brown from the new york times visual investigations team. thank you so much for taking the time to speak to

security council altogether. seeing that big reforms are needed. what do you make of such a proposal? he was saying that it did nothing to stop the conflict in his country that needs to be disbanded and put together. i, i think basically said escape is right there. the united nations security council needs to be report only not a. ready act mr. salinas case, got it in mind. and i mean they are security council nations like india should be in there and not, not france or for that matter either. and because they and they all a, their economy, political and military strength is not, is, is, is not, it's just a middle that of a middle nation, and they are much more important as more would be more powerful nations nations. there's many, many more people, and that's basically what we should look at, people in the room to have basically nothing to stay in the security council. i mean, reform along those. those lines would be right. but a, a missed as it relates to speak, considers that are, and the security council run by the united states coming, paying

the security council should guarantee? well, or where ahead of mister zalinski speech show you as secretary general antonio terrace in his opening remarks called for investigations into the atrocities and expressed concern over reports of rape and sexual violence with me here in the studio is the thomas sparrow. thomas, what jumped out at you. i mean, he, he called out the un, he called out the world saying, listen, this is what's happening in my country. you need to step up. if i had to summarize the lensky speech with one sentence that he gave, i would certainly say, where is the security? the security council needs to guarantee. and he answers that himself by saying not there. there was a very strong criticism, not only to the members of the united nations security council, the permanent members, but also the rotating members. but it was in general, also strong criticism towards the international community that has so far failed to guarantee that security that he's referring to not. this is not necessarily a new debate

there is a security council. where is the peace? where are those guarantees that the united nations needs to guarantee echo it is obvious. they must ensure the coercion of any aggressor to peace can simply not work effectively. the world can see that the russian military did in bucha while keeping the city under their occupation. the world has yet to see what they have done in other occupied cities and regions of our country. to ashes with artillery and airstrikes. they are deliberately blocking cities and creating mass starvation. they deliberately shoot columns of civilians on the road trying to escape from the territory of hostility. they even deliberately blow up shelters with civilians hiding airstrikes. they are deliberately due -- creating conditions in the occupied territories so that as many civilians as possible are killed there. the massacre in our city of bucha is only one of many examples of why the occupiers have been doing on our land in the past 41 days. there are many more citizens -- cities or similar places where

basically calling for a reform of the united nations security council. it's important to stress that the united nations security council has one of that key un institutions, holes. a lot of power, for example, has the capacity to present binding resolutions. yet at the same time, the 5 permanent members of that security council have a veto power. and one of those 5 members is russia, which basically means that on this particular case, it is very difficult to have concrete action from the united nations security council. and that was something that mr. savanski with this particular sound might but more in general with his age clearly tried to criticize. that's why he was asking for more action coming from the united nations security council. and now the atrocities, sir, that have been perpetrated in boucher that the world has seen and leaders and people around the world are shocked by the images. a news coming out of their talk just a little bit about what effect that has had on germany and german leaders. well, germany as well as other european countries

security council. what do you expect to hear from him? >> reporter: we're expecting, bianna, that he's going to highlight these atrocities. we are seeing them in bucha. hundreds of bodies have been reported, but now we're hearing about it from other villages, from other cities where russian forces once occupied and now that they have withdrawn or been pushed out, you're seeing what they're leaving in their wake. and that's the message that president zelenskyy is going to be taking to the u.n. he did say yesterday that these atrocities make it more difficult to negotiate with russia. he want to be coming from a position of strength, obviously, in negotiations and so he's going to be pressuring the u.n., he's going to be pressuring the west and his allies to put more pressure on russia. i spoke earlier with the deputy prime minister of ukraine and she said it really comes down to an oil embargo, a gas embargo against russia on the part of europe and here is how she put it. >> what will his call to the wo

i resume my function as the president of the security council. and while we sort out the technical video, i propose to give the floor to those council members who wish to make statements. and i now give the floor to the representative of the united states. thank you madam president. let me also start by thanking you e, an ambassador nisa bay for her successful presidency during the month of march. madam president, as you begin your security council presidency, i want to thank the united kingdom for your leadership and for organizing this vital discussion on ukraine today. i also want to thank the secretary general for his remarks and the other briefers. and i'd like to extend a warm welcome to president zelinski. i was so moved by the address he made recently to our congress. and we are truly honored by his presence here under the circumstances that he and ukraine face today. madam president, last night i returned from a trip to moldova and romania. i saw with my own eyes the refugee crisis caused by rushes unconscionable war. i spoke to refugees

so all of that laid out in the security council today. thank you so much. kristin christmas and new me reporting from the united nations. we will now cross to ukraine itself and bring an enron con, he's joining us in that capital. keith, to tell us about a president vladimir zalinski, his appearance at the security council, the 1st time his he's ever done. so in ron, how significant was it? it was incredibly significant if you take a look at the way the speech was structured, it was really into very different parts. the 1st part was a catalogue of the russian allege war crimes that he says the russians did within the town of boucher and in other places. it was also i look at some of the atrocities that took place to very impassioned speech. talking about some of the things that the russians did, then it was very much a message to united nations security council. he'd be gotten that section of the speech by saying that the russians will blame everyone, and they will say the events abuto was stage, but we will investigate. he says, we will

he lambasted the security council for failing to guarantee the security of ukraine and showed an extremely graphic video of dead civilians in several ukrainian towns which visibly shocked the council. we are appalled by what we have seen and reiterate our solidarity with ukraine. the us wants russia to be removed from the un human rights council in response to human rights abuses in ukraine. reports indicate that russian federal security agents - are confiscating passports and ids, taking away celll phones and separating - families from one another. i do not need to spell out - what these so—called filtration camps are reminiscent of. it's chilling. russia denies that its forces have killed civilians, calling the pictures of dead bodies fake news. translation: during the time that the town was under - the control of russian armed forces, not a single civilian suffered from any kind of violence. that impassioned plea from president zelensky to the un, along with harrowing accounts coming out of ukraine, are piling pressure on world leaders to respond. further sanctions are expected to be

so where is the security that the security council needs to guarantee? it's not there, although there is a security council. so where is the peace? what were those guarantees that the united nations needs to guarantee? it is obvious that the key institution of the world, which must ensure the coercion of any aggressor -- simply cannot work effectively. now, the world can see that the russian -- what the russian military did in bucha while keeping the city under their occupation. but the world has yet to see what they have done in other occupied cities and regions of our country. geography might be different, but cruelty is the same. crimes are the same. and accountability must be inevitable. ladies and gentlemen, i would like to remind you of article 1, chapter 1 of the u.n. charter. what is the purpose of our organization? its purpose is to maintain peace and make sure that peace is adhered to. and now the u.n. charter is violated literally starting with the article 1. and if so, what is the point of all other articles? today, as a result of russia's ac

he to address the night nations security council. and yes indeed, rushes position will be very carefully looked at because russia has rejected all the interpretations coming from the west about what happened in boucher despite the fact that they have been presented and analyzed by western source is at large. they have been really step by step, evidencing those atrocities in butcher, but russia has clearly rejected them in various forums. for example, one of them here in germany by the russian embassy, specifically stressing only yesterday when the ambassador went to the a german foreign minister ministry that they rejected germany's position on this. so we have 2 very different contrasting views when it comes to, to butcher. and that's why it's particularly important to hear what mister salenti will bring today. what evidence he will bring to support those claims of that master con, to possible war crimes, as they are being described by western officials, who are um, russia's friends and security council? well, in the security counci

permanent member of the security council. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> good morning, everyone. the 9,010th meeting of the security council was called to order. i give the floor to the russian federation. >> translator: president, before we go to the agenda, i would like to express protests in connection with the fact that the just started british presidency got with the two requests to convene a security council in connection with the horrific provocation of ukrainian forces. from the beginning, the first meeting, which we requested sunday, the third of april, monday at 3 p.m. and an emergency meeting at 12:00 on the fourth of april, after you refused our first request. we considered -- you considered that it was possible to blatantly violate the rules of the council, and for the second time issue a decision that wasn't coordinated with anyone that it would be better to discuss the topic today. this is an outrageous situation. sent in my letter to you yesterday and official documents to the council,

security council. and so i would hope that in the situation that you have now, that you've got a number of ambassadors and the secretary-general who just started his second term, to come out and say this highlights the crisis we're facing. we need this body more than ever, so we'll need to take action to change the body, change its makeup and veto. >> what would that real action be? i think one thing this war is proving is it's showing how different agreements and different bodies, whether or not they actually have something that they can actually do to impact change. nato is being challenged. and now here in terms of accountability. what actions can be taken? actual ones? >> if you're talking about action now in the immediate term, the only opportunity that exists is for the international criminal court at the hague to continue its investigations. which it is. the u.n. has named a number of human rights-focused experts to investigate atrocities in ukraine, to document all of them. when i worked at the

secured -- u.n. security council. when that happens we will bring it to you and provide some analysis as well. we are counting down to hearing from president zelenskyy. we will talk about the next phase of sanctions. russia will find it tougher to pay bond investors with dollars. the latest moves being made by the u.s. treasury as we await those comments from president zelenskyy. this is bloomberg. i am not to take this break. president zelenskyy is starting. >> i think the members of the security council for this meeting. thank you for this opportunity. i am sure the representatives of the united nations member states will hear me today. yesterday i returned from our city which had been liberated from russian troops not far from kyiv. there is not a single crime that they would not commit there. the russian military surged and purposely killed anyone who served our country. they shot and killed women outside of their houses. they killed entire families, adults and children and they tried to burn the bodies. i am addr

council when i speak at the security council. and then, the other issue that i think is really important and i think that you and others in the audience will appreciate is that we have made it part of our priority to make sure that civil society has a voice as a united nations. so we push constantly for civil society voices to speak. when we spoke yesterday about the issues, sexual violence against women, we had three extraordinary women come before the council to speak. speaking in the context of syria and western ethiopia. those voices matter. they matter more than our voices matter. so that is the priority for the u.s. as we deal with the myriad of crises, having civil society there, having human rights at the center of our policy. then bringing our partners and alliances together to partner on issues of common interest to the globe. mr. coulibaly: thank you. and again, the importance of what you just mentioned on the way the u.n. has been able to bring in civil society organizations into the discourse. i think it is very cruc

we have isolated russia in the security council. and i feel his frustration. he is under attack by the russians. no one can question his frustration with the council, and how the council operates. the russians do have veto power. but i have said over and over again, they cannot veto our voices. they cannot veto his voice. they could not veto having him in the security council and hd the russians accountable for what they are doing. so that was extraordinarily powerful. the russians were on the defensive, as you could see in the council toy. and that was an important message for president zelenskyy to deliver, and it was an important message for the russians to hear. laura: but president zelenskyy actually said that the united nations is powerless, and he said it needed to reform or be closed. that is pretty damning, isn't it? >> it was a very strong statement that i certainly think reflects the frustration that the ukrainians are feeling. so, again, i am not going to question his frustration. i was in the region over the weekend. i had an opportunity to meet w

council to request a meeting and shined in rule 2 of the security council of the request over any member oh, the security for the videos and you i thank the right representative of the russian federation. is there anyone else who wants to comment on this? i will explain. are the presence his position in just a moment or if i could um, respond to your points or from the russian federation. we did not reject your request for meeting. we received your letter on sunday and it is the responsibility with the obligation of the presidency to schedule a meeting. you particularly requested a meeting for a time on monday. our proposal as presidency, was to schedule the meeting, either alongside the meeting today so well within the 48 hour limit, which is the convention of the security council or to hold the meetings sequentially one after the other. and i understand that the russian federation turned down both proposals, but i wish to be clear that we did not reject the request for a meeting. the deferral will proposed was less than 24 hours. and to be clear, we share the view that this is an urgen

let me say that the security council, my may not. but i mean, you know, not only a bee was ineffective sir. so when people exercise that liter rice, it is all so ineffective to work. if we take 5 or 6 countries of refrain from voting, this also leads to a split of the membership of the security council. and this is something that the united nations, the secretariat must have in mind too. so i think girls reform discussions are healthy if a country exercises a veto, right. of course, the country has to explain it's position which you can british for your thoughts and or in those cases, when you're talking about the russian federation. so we will always be thought it was a willing and able to explain clearly our position that sir made us use our veto. right, and able to interpret those answers so many years ago created the chart that had to leave the reason of the veto was to avoid the situation in which are a confrontation among the members of the group of permanent members might lead to another global walk. and so the v to was a kind

they want to submit that to the security council. he spent a lot of time complaining that the security council did not answer their call for a meeting today. the reason that the united kingdom gave for not holding that emergency meeting is that they are planning to meet to morrow tuesday. but russia described this as a grave breach of security council precedent because they had requested this and they didn't want to wait for another day or so. here again, we see russia repeating a pattern. whenever there is negative news in the region, they're very quick to respond. they're very quick to call a press conference and i and give their response and deny deny, deny. and that is what they are doing. they are the did produce, give us some video evidence, but it's impossible based on that evidence to make any conclusions, which is exactly why the knighted nations officials from secretary general to the human rights chief are calling for independent investigations going forward. kristen salumi with analysis. so of that news conference of the

however, moscow is still saying that is calling for that un security council meeting. and i hope that it will be an option at some point in the future. well, let's welcome live onto the program. now academic and independent journalist jason michael. jason, you are a very welcome to the program. today. you've just written an article about the alleged, the trustees in boucher and conclude there are some announcements, questions about what actually occurred there. what are the main ones? well, the main question for me would be a question of chronology, the timeline. all the events is certainly something that would cause any independent analyst and some concerned that the russian forces ours is acknowledged even by the ukrainian side when leaving ad butcher and the novel or blast by the thought here. which by then by the 31st we hope the advanced troops of the ukrainian for your cleaning and forward garden, the police units going into the city arms are the program has already said, there is no indication any way or of a massacre. a number of events that then continue to ha

security council. all together, he says reforms are necessary. what did you make of his proposal and what was behind it? well, 1st of all, reserved propositional. absurd. because her e, f u n. as difficulties to operate on to function properly, it properly is because great powers don't agree are on the spot. sharon geopolitical order, the u. s. and it's europe, an artist, t to want to impose a uni paula ward when china, russia would like to promote emergency put our world. and mr. zalinski is her good . a desire to buy your public relations sir the communication concert, and soon we'll try to give him some hints to try to, to make some propositions to appear as a sort of for, oh, interesting and a strong statement. orval, or is propositions are totally clueless to, to really achieve a better term or negotiating system a to are never. if, if we will be, or the know security can see united nation, if you expected one, a member or like your a russia, there is no possibility of negotiation. so ruler award order is totally or destroyed. so this is tot

this is what the granting representatives that when addressing the security council, the situation in mario remains the most critical, thousands of civilians are still in the city. hundreds of them, including children, have taken shelter in the old style plant. they need immediate safety occupation, and the rational forces are well aware of these. instead, the russians deny all requests from the ukrainian side world leaders and the u. s. u n. hi, officials for iraq creation car doors for civilians. now, prior to these accusations from the cranium representative dmitri pollyanna, k representing the russian federation spoke and explained very clearly that the presence of these civilians in the factory was hidden. despite repeated requests on the part of russia to make sure that no civilians were in harm's way. and now russia has been calling on to influence the fighting forces there and allow the civilians to leave the factory. so essentially, ukrainians are being used as human. she'll buy, you know, by these extreme, its anti russian forces that have been armed and trained by the state

k rejected rushes request to hold a security council meeting? because they're afraid of what might come out. that's why i mean. ready they, they don't want a and a ball round, dispassionate analysis of what's going on of that city. they want to presented as one sided lee as possible. and so therefore, a hearing in which, in which russia, you know, gets, gets a chance to make it reviews known as the last thing they want. journalist and author daniela's. ok. thanks a lot for joining us on the program. thank you. the ukrainian media has tried and apparently failed to pin the blame i moscow for the gruesome killing of a woman in the city of mariel located in the done yet people's republic. the victims, brutally mutilated body with a swastika carved into her stomach was found by russian lead troops after they pushed the neo nazi as a battalion from a civilian building a week ago warning, you may find the following images disturbing. picking up the story from ukrainian media outlet, president philanthropies adviser, posted the news on social media as

as the un security council holds a meeting about the conflict. with casting lot of direct from our studios in moscow, this is our 2 international. i'm john thomas. certainly glad to have you with us in moscow called and give to order troops inside mario pals, ourselves, style steel plants to release any civilian hostages and surrender. moscow says civilians may be used as human shields inside the factory to prevent russian forces from advancing after no one passed through a humanitarian corridor on tuesday set up to evacuate the facility and other limited seas. fire is to take place on wednesday afternoon, but nearby safe roots have been use. we heard from some of the people who managed to flee. i'm was in it, but like i said, we were living in the basement for 2 months. we are very happy to see you guys. stay alive with everything was bombed and burned down. we lived in a basement, no water, no food. we just grabbed what we could do, which good deal on your to would you like of a pregnant girl was killed? she left 2 kids and this girl was wounde

so where is the security that the security council needs to guarantee? it's not there, although there is a security council. so where is the peace? what were those guarantees that the united nations needs to guarantee? it is obvious that the key institution of the world, which must ensure the coercion of any aggressor simply cannot work effectively. now, the world can see that the russian what the russian military did in bucha while keeping the city under their occupation. but the world has yet to see what they have done in other occupied cities and regions of our country. geography might be different, but cruelty is the same. crimes are the same. and accountability must be inevitable. ladies and gentlemen, i would like to remind you of article 1, chapter 1 of the u.n. charter. what is the purpose of our organization? its purpose is to maintain peace and make sure that peace is adhered to. and now the u.n. charter is violated literally starting with the article 1. and if so, what is the point of all other articles? today, as a result of russia's actions

council — request to convene a security council in — request to convene a security council in connection with the horrific— council in connection with the horrific provocation of ukrainian forces in bucha. now, from _ ukrainian forces in bucha. now, from the — ukrainian forces in bucha. now, from the beginning, the first meeting _ from the beginning, the first meeting which we requested on sunday— meeting which we requested on sunday the 3rd of april, for monday— sunday the 3rd of april, for monday at 3pm, and then an emergency meeting, which we requested at 12 o'clock on the 4th of— requested at 12 o'clock on the 4th of april after you refused our first— 4th of april after you refused our first request. we considered... you considered that— considered... you considered that it — considered... you considered that it was _ considered... you considered that it was possible to blatantly violate the rules of the council and, for the second time, _ the council and, for the second time issue _ the council and, for the second time, issue a decision that wasn't _ time, issue a de

so where is the security that the security council needs to guarantee? it is not there although there is a security council, so where are those guarantees? it is obvious the key institution of the world which must ensure the coercion of peace simply cannot work effectively. now the world can see that what the russian military dad while keeping the city under their occupation. but the world has yet to see what they have done in other occupied cities and regions of the country. geography might be different, but cruelty is the same, the crimes are the same, and accountability must be an inevitable. ladies and gentlemen, i would like to remind you of article one, chapter one of the un charter. what is the purpose of our organization? the purpose is to maintain peace and make sure that peace is adhered to and now they violated literally starting with article one. and if so, what is the point of all other articles? today as a result of russia's action in our country, in ukraine, the most terrible war crimes of all kinds are we see since the end of world war ii

we need decisions from the security council piece in ukraine . if you don't know how to implement this, you can do 2 things.

the security council is the best we have that cannot act without all the permanent 5 members of the security council agreeing. or at least not the i think that we have to take any opportunity to reforming the meeting is strengthened the united nations and indeed the security council. however, it's not very likely that countries which to day won't action against russia, that they would accept that they themselves should be subjected to any override. and that's the problem in the international law. you can't just decide something for those who you want to punish or for your enemies. you then have to take on how to litigations and i think that is very difficult. course will continue up to date you on the war in ukraine. meanwhile, here are some other stories we're following for you this hour. these really governments ruling coalition has lost its majority in parliament, afters chairperson resigned. unexpectedly. the move is a major blow for premonition of tele bennett. news government will now only be able to pass legislation with support from opposition. lawmakers. a car has crashed into the g

so where is the security that the security council needs to guarantee? it's not there, although there is a security council. so where is the peace? what were those guarantees that the united nations needs to guarantee? it is obvious that the key institution of the world, which must ensure the coercion of any aggressor simply cannot work effectively. now, the world can see that the russian -- what the russian military did in bucha while keeping the city under their occupation. but the world has yet to see what they have done in other occupied cities and regions of our country. geography might be different, but cruelty is the same. crimes are the same. and accountability must be inevitable. ladies and gentlemen, i would like to remind you of article 1, chapter 1 of the u.n. charter. what is the purpose of our organization? law will its purpose is to maintain peace and make sure that peace is adhered to. and now the u.n. charter is violated literally starting with the article 1. and if so, what is the point of all other articles? today, as a result of russi

security council. we're expecting to hear more from president zelenskyy about those alleged war crimes in that area. he has been saying and he said in an address overnight how he expects the death toll actually in several of the surrounding communities, around the capital of kyiv, to have a higher death toll. he says, it's possible, than in bucha. and jose, this is something that we have been hearing from many ukrainians. that they expect to hear what happened in bucha to be the tip of the iceberg. especially with russian forces continuing to push to the east and to the south, and continuing to encircle the besieged city of mariupol, which is roughly ten times the size of bucha. and from where we are having such a difficult time getting images from that area. so, expect today and the u.n. security council meeting to shortly, as president zelenskyy addresses the body, to hear him stress that the west needs to do more, as he has been saying, pushing for more sanctions. and also more weapons, jose. >> you

or dissolve the council altogether. >> translator: where is the security the security council needs to guarantee it is not there although there is a security council. where is the peace where the guarantees it is obvious that the key institution of the world which much assure the coercion of any aggressor simply cannot work. >> russia is a permanent member of the u.n. security council that means moscow can all by itself veto another decision any other member including the united states wants to make. president zelenskyy pointed out the key absurdity that the russians can easily block any move to block them evelyn farkas. evelyn, it is insanity that he sends his troops to murder children and he gets to make decisions about what happens to him in the world body. i mean, what can be done >> yeah, i mean, shep, it's a real weakness of the u.n. system that any country on the security council really almost can operate with immunity or at least without major consequences having said that, there are ad hoc coalitions of the willing, as we know, that can take military action. there are other

security council. the u.s. and others are now pushing for russia to be expelled from the united nations human rights council. if that happens, what do you say to that? >> i would say that russia now controls vast territories in ukraine. there are many people under russian control right now and they're being subject to the same cruelty and violence we have seen in bucha. with russia from u.n. human rights council is the correct decision on a symbolic level, but that will not save thousands of people who are currently subject to russian cruelty in the ukrainian territory. i'm not sorry for being tough but similar to the president of ukraine, i have to do that because we have people who are being killed, murdered, tortured, raped right now. and removing russia from the council is not going to do the job of saving those people. so what we're asking for, let us help save those people. that is what we need right now because otherwise, in a year two now, we should learn about other victims that could have been prevent

at the, on the, at the security council it doesn't have anything to do with the reforms. it doesn't aim to the democratization of the decision making a bit where brady and to join the consensus if it will be formed. and it's very important to work with. again, consensus here, because many resolutions, which are adopted or even by the minot minority or become overwhelming and the majority of resolutions, which it's very useful for the western countries. but i will go even further. that security council could be denied not to adopt resolutions, not through vetoes, but through the abstention during the voting of 6 or 7 countries. and this is also the case when the school council is basically broken under general assembly shouldn't be a indifference to that situation. that's why others. yes, i think that mr. an unlimited. this is a healthy process. cook obese. if a country uses it's a veto for that, it means this country has a way to explain it's positions, quickly switches and voice more when, when, when it comes to russian federation, we will low will be explaining all our

security council with five permanent members. today those are the u.s., france, the uk, china, and russia. each with veto power as joseph stalin himself insisted. the world has changed but the council still remains largely as it was 77 years ago. that is, russia has the power to veto any resolution it opposes. it's like giving a senator on the floor a veto over any legislation without any overriding? >> exactly. what we're seeing when there is a fundamentally disagreement among the permanent members, nothing happens. >> reporter: suggestions to reform the council by adding more permanent members or removing vetoes all together have been non-starters. as former u.n. ambassador bill richardson points out, it's all about keeping power. >> i am being honest with you. i don't think anyone wants girlfriend up thundershower veto. >> reporter: and russia is not about to vote itself off the security council either, but though weeks ago it was condemned by the u.n. general assembly. those were nonbinding resolutions. russia was thrown off