michael: no, quite the opposite, in fact. kristinn: so why would you listen to the voice of daniel domscheit-berg? just listen to chelsea manning. nancy: i don't think chelsea waplayed at all. i think e did wh she did. julian and wikileaks did what they did. they connected. and i've looked at those transcripts, and i think she was looking for an outlet for this informaon. she found it. i didn't see anything in those transcripts where anyone was tempting her. she had the information. she released it. michael: manning was arrested just eight weeks after the video was released. she was discovered after she confessed online to another hacker that she was the wikileaks source. daniel: for many years, this was the lurking monster in the room, you know, in the closet somewhere, where we were so afraid that, one day, one of our sources would be arrested, that we would make a mistake or so, but this was the total catastrophe. nancy: she was detained. she was taken to kuwait, and then they sent her to quantico, which was even worse. it

michael: why did it take so long? karen andrews: i think it was a lack of understanding by many, many people of what space is all about and the opportunities that it can present. so i think it took a little bit of time for people to understand the significance of space, the space industry, the space sector, to australia. there's opportunities for us to grow our businesses, there's opportunities for us to create jobs here, and there's opportunities in space for our everyday lives to become that much easier, that more--that much more simpler. so yes, there are some opportunities for us, and we should grasp them with both hands. malcolm: the australian space agency was really important and a very positive step because what it does, it gives us a policy organization within government whose job it is to help grow the australian commercial space sector. ♪♪♪ michael: right now, the space world is a very exciting field to be in, full of boffins who have spent years working toward the moment we're now living. brad tucker

host: michael, what is your alma mater? michael: auburn university. host: what is the answer to the question? michael: i knew you would. host: michael harriet, you describe yourself, and i might be mispronouncing this, as a white- people-oligist. michael: it is a whimsical term based on the idea that we try to address racism and dissemination in this country a lot by investigating and studying and interrogating black culture and i believe that you cannot solve that problem or interrogate white supremacy in this country by studying black people because we did not create racism, we do not perpetuate it. to solve the problem, you have to study white people and that is why i created the term. host: before we begin taking calls, we want to put some public policies out there. christina greer, when you woke up this morning, what public policy issue was on your mind? christina: i am deeply concerned about the roll back of roe v. wade and i was reading about indiana essentially saying that there is almost a full abortion ban in that state. i am fearful that ot

michael: tonight on "4 corners," "the united states versus julian assange." ♪♪♪ michael: in june 2012, julian assange was a man under pressure, wanted for questioning in sweden over allegations of sexual assault and the subject of an ongoing investigation in the united states over the publication of huge tranches of classified information. on a spring day, he made his way here to the ecuadorian embassy in london, seeking asylum. jennifer: julian sought asylum in 2012, in the ecuadorian embassy, because he didn't have assurances that, once in custody to face extradition to sweden, he wouldn't be served with a u.s. extradition request. we had asked the australian government to seek those assurances. the australian government had refused to do so. it was only then that he sought asylum, which was his right as a matter of inrnational law. fidel narvaez: julian arri. it's publicly known that he was disguised as a deliveryman. he had his request for asylum written and ready. he handed it over to us. michael: fidel narvaez was consul at the embassy when ecuador took him in. fidel narvaez: we

and so, he called michael george's mother as has alibi witness, to tell the jury that michael arrived at her house sometime after 5 pm on that friday's 13th. >> he said, he was tired. he was gonna taken up for a while. >> this is george then testify took her two grand daughters to the school playground. >> now, when you got back, did you observe michael at all? >> yeah. >> where was he? >> he was on the couch, sleeping. >> now, it would be up to the jurors to decide whether they believe michael george's mother, or the witness who said michael george answered his phone call. decision day, march 17, 2008. michael george prayed quietly to himself. his freedom, his family, the life he'd enjoyed in pennsylvania were at risk for ever. a murder conviction meant mandatory life, no possibility of parole. >> all right, all rise for the jury, please. >> the jury of eight women, four men, fouled nervously as one juror explained. >> my hands were sweating, and i took a look at michael george, and i saw his family. i was numb and scared the same time. >> my brother tells me, your heart is beating f

>> michael: no, no. one time though i did get naked and i got on a wrecking ball and just swung through. that was the miley cyrus. >> pete: i see that. but did you stare at anyone? >> michael: of course. listen this rule, really, it does only affect ugly people, right? like all the sexual harassment laws, it's only if it's someone like... and i'm completely disappointed in australia as well. like they're losing their street cred. we lost our cowboy street cred as americans, in australia they were like getting crazy drinking whiskey and staring right at you. here's the thing. if i'm caught staring at someones and they report me, can't you just deny it was you and as they're looking at you accuse them of staring? >> true. >> michael: double stare. ridiculous. and i guess they'll outlaw there's something on your shirt and then you flick them in the nose. >> pete: they might. >> michael: they're going to outlaw wedgeies. there's no fun in australia no more, mate. >> pete: you are bringing our cowboy swagger

gove to state _ got no plans for michael gove to state and — got no plans for michael gove to state and government, so perhaps this is_ state and government, so perhaps this is a _ state and government, so perhaps this is a case of michael gove deciding _ this is a case of michael gove deciding tojump before he is pushed by the _ deciding tojump before he is pushed by the next _ deciding tojump before he is pushed by the next prime minister, we touched — by the next prime minister, we touched upon itjust now, but micheel— touched upon itjust now, but michael gove has been in front line politics. ie— michael gove has been in front line politics, ie in and around government, for a decade. politics, ie in and around government, fora decade. he has seen _ government, fora decade. he has seen it— government, fora decade. he has seen it all. — government, fora decade. he has seen it all, he has been through several— seen it all, he has been through several elections, through brexit, pandemic, — several elections, through brexit, pandemic, and he will probably be remembered,

michael with bloomberg economics. michael pond barclays. bring in cameron crise who is synthesizing this. i want to give a shout out to first two michael nathanson. it is an all michael show. talking about the media. we will do that again soon. kailey: record number of michaels. let's get to cameron crise, who is also parsing the data. looking at the moves we are seeing on the back of this move, dramatically lower. futures are dramatically higher. the dollar is dramatically weaker. is this a new jerk reaction or one that will stick out the back of the sprint? cameron: ultimately we are unwinding a lot of what we priced after the payroll figure. essentially that pushed us to 75 for september and now we have gone back to 50. i suspect we will continue to price 50 for september. i would think, certainly on the yield front, these moves will probably stick by on large. as for equities, that remains subject to the ebb and flow, not only of inflation and monetary policy, but sensitivity to growth numbers. if we see henceforth that the growth numbe

i'm michael corleone. this is my father. the other crucial role to be cast was that of michael, don corleone�*s youngest son. luca brasi held a revolver against halley�*s head. coppola went for al pacino — a relative unknown at the time. the studio wasn't impressed by his acting at first. it was described as "anaemic". why are all these people bothering your father on a day like this? oh, that's because they know. what? — that no sicilian can refuse any request... but ultimately, pacino's performance was mesmerising and ignited his career. i'm with you now. i'm with you. pacino was amazed he got the role. i thought, "there's no way i'm going to get the part! "you can't" — you know what i mean? they're all these big movie stars out there and i thought "what do they want? "how am i ever going to get that kind of a role?" i don't want it. i'm doing all right. my life's 0k. imean, simple. i play the piano sometimes, i go do theatre, i read, i have — you know, i'm in new york. new york, you get everything. new york fe

michael: all of you are influencers. i hope the things i talked about with respect to your navy are appealing. i hope the young people you could influence, talk to them about the navy, nila terry, the opportunities that it resents -- military and the opportunities it presents them. talk to him about the opportunity it presents them to serve their country and the greatest nation in the world. your talent is important to us and we hope we continue to be an attractive option for young people. i have never met anyone at my age who served at the navy and said it has not fundamentally changed their lives. good solid positive memories. that is how you can help us, your country, your navy. thank you. brent: thank you all for attending tonight and your active participation both online and in the room, thank you very much admiral again. thank you. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2022] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy.

thank you, michael. michael: sure thing. sand liz: we got a rare dan a.: some unique plants are hungry for a new home and we mean that literally. a collection of rare carnivorous plants go on sale at the u.c. berkeley botanical gardens. >> i like these ps so muse, numr any vows. what is cooler than a plant that can consume things? >> reporter: horticulturist loves all thing, but nothing beats a plant suppose that says feed me. >> you can see right down here, this one caught an insect and is digesting it. >> reporter: hundreds of the unique carnivorous plants go on sale acquired from a plant collector who moved away. >> these hungry plants are as far from vegan as they can get. >> reporter: watch as the venus fly trap chows down on a blood worm and comes back for second and thirds. delish. >> if i gave an estimate, over 300 species of carnivorous suppose. >> reporter: most of them are deadly if you're a bug. >> it secrets nectar and causes them to lose their grip and fall down. >> reporter: not all of the carnivorous plants a

go ahead michael. yeah, i think were, i think the, what the, the near constant in the, in the, by the ministration. see this says or less desperate effort to, to, to, to contain both russia, china, they, they see that this is the grand stand, last grand stand, a tool for the, to, to preserve their unipolar world order, because they see this multi polar world order emerging. and it's emergency very rapidly, and i might add a think celebrating because of actions by the united states itself through the sank through the weapon, the zation of sanctions. a gets everybody out there these days seems even against our allies and their companies. so it's, it's a, it's turning the world into a whole different world that we knew just a few years ago. and as a consequence, this multi polar world order now is beginning choke, sell rich, for example, the bricks, countries, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're going to be getting new members here shortly. i was just informed this morning by a very reliable sourc

michael? well, when people talk about recession, they think of a business, they go up and down and then recovering. and this isn't a business cycle, this is a change in the way the world is being organized. for one thing, every recession since world war 2 ended has started with recovered with a much higher level of debt. and today, the level of debt has grown so much that domestic market, both in the united states and europe are and the global sounds are unable to grow grow. the problem is got much worse because the u. s. dollar is going up against the european currency and the global. so currently making it much harder for these countries to pay their dollar denominated debt when they all do this all. and what's really causing a break in the chain of payments and making things much worse than they are now, is the fact that they're going to be continued higher energy prices, iris food prices and countries do not have a not money both. so they, so to feed their populations and pay their foreign

i want to go to you, michael. you think about president biden using semi fascism -- that is a big deal. what is his thinking, and what is the white house strategy? michael: the white house has a two-pronged strategy for the next several months. one is to really spend a lot of time touting their accomplishments. if you think back to march and april of this year, it was really doom and gloom for democrats. they felt like they had to accomplish much of the president's agenda. there was this flurry of activity this summer. the student loans that were just mentioned, the legislation to do climate change, drug prices, gas prices down, things kind of looking up a little bit, so one half of the strategy is touching all that progress. the other half is really attacking republicans, drawing that contrast and saying to voters, look, you have a choice. it is not just a referendum on joe biden and what you might think of the democratic rule in washington. it is if you don't want this, look at what is out there. this phrase ult

my name is michael o t and i am glad to have you here. in today's program we had to lagos nigeria and asked people why there is such a big gap between the rate and then we meet canaan, sartorius who uses you want to tackle social problems with later on in. so molly land, i'll introduce you to the country with the mill naval captain. welcome back. for the t in africa is reducing yes or financial reforms and open economies have led to businesses and money. but his wealth is not evenly distributed. now get this africa as 3 wealthy as balloonists have more money than the bottom, 50 percent of africans combined. and nor where is this disparity more evident than in legos. herron nigeria, commercial capital, poverty is 15 minutes away from extreme wealth. welcome to may go ask because the biggest city many believe that's hard was just anyone can make it here. that's why thousands of young people are migrating here from west africa and around niger with dreams to hit the big the result. i'm exploring population and bring economy what as the econo

i thought it's like michael should make michael. that juxtaposition is, i guess, want more bases around the world. i mean, we can take africa, for example, you know, the us shelves. it's my building, you know, bases, you know, the chinese, he can amik development. now we can argue and debate that what kind of economic development, but they're far more interested in prosperity becoming rich. and let me go back to martin americans. you know, that's what the west stood for. security dignity, the rule of law prosperity. all of those are going away right in front of our eyes . so what kind of model is it for any one in the world now, go ahead america. did they really stand for those values? i mean, perhaps they did. there was a tiny moment, perhaps in the early sixty's when most of those countries in africa became independent on they clung on the suits and relationships. they handle their colonial masses. but i'm not sure if any of these values mean anything any more to these countries. you know, i mean, when the african leaders often co

go ahead, michael. well, well, thanks for having me, peter. yeah, there's an extraordinary parallel here. i think the chinese have learned from the ukraine lesson. they saw that mister putin, as you pointed out, i put down a red lines and, and wanted to negotiate or they were ignored. and now he's done the same say of gigi ping is now done the same thing. he's a is issued or bread lines. and he's told them don't cross it or else and the, and for some unknown reason are people are so fixed at it. they just cannot get the message and clearly is necessary. that they don't, they don't understand what it's like to have a, a 2 front war going on, all of a sudden, once again and, and in this case we're not prepared for it whatsoever. i'm not even prepared to, to help you ukrainian say very much longer given, given how quickly they're going through the logistics. so this whole thing is just total madness and be in the august. i am very, very concerned about a possible war. and historically wars have have occurr

michael: i like u.s. credit more than european credit, especially if you extend it to the broader fixed income, mortgage debt and aaa clo's. lisa: to consolidate the answers, where do you expect better returns over the next six months? investment-grade or high-yield? maureen: investment-grade. headwinds in both sectors. returns continue to deteriorate. as we get closer to weakness becoming less of a technical issue and more of a fundamental issue later on, that is when we expect high yields to underperform. investment grade. lisa: i have a feeling. michael: agreed. lisa: you as well? kristina: we would echo. lisa: have we seen peak yield in the u.s. 10 year treasury for this cycle? michael: yeah. maureen: we agree. upward pressure from here. kristina: we can test 350 in 10s. lisa: i'm curious if there is a data point you're looking at with retail sales coming up or if it is going to be quiet until jackson hole? michael: retail sales are an important indicator. if there is one thing i continue to track it

go ahead, michael. well, well, thanks for having me, peter. yeah, there's an extraordinary parallel here. i think the chinese have learned from the ukraine lesson. they saw that mister putin, as you pointed out, i put down a red lines and a and wanted to negotiate or they were ignored. and now he's on the same thing. a jeep ping is now done the same thing. isa is issue or bread lines. and he's told them don't cross it or else and the and for some unknown reason our people are so fick added. they just cannot get the message and clearly administer so that they don't, they don't understand what it's like to have a, a 2 front war going on, all of a sudden, once again. and, and in this case, we're not prepared for it whatsoever. i'm not even prepared to to help you ukrainians a very much longer given given how quickly they're going through the logistics. so this whole thing is just total madness and be in august. i am very, very concerned about a possible war. and historically wars have have occurred in a, i

michael? well, when people talk about recession, they think of a business, they go up and down and then recovering. and this isn't a business cycle, this is a change in the way the world is being organized. for one thing, every recession since world war 2. and then it started with recovered with a much higher level of debt. and today the level of debt has grown. so much that domestic markets, both in the united states and europe are and the global sounds are unable to grow, grow the problem is got much worse because the u. s. dollar is going up against the european currency and the global. so currently making it much harder for these countries to pay their dollar denominated debt when they all do this all. and what's really causing a break in the chain of payments and making things much worse than they are now. is the fact that they're going to be continued higher energy prices or food prices and countries do not have a not money both to stay. so the feed their populations and pay them for. an

michael? >> all right, mary. thank you so much. >>> now we turn to the fallout over brittney griner being sentenced to nine years in a russian prison camp. overnight secretary of state antony blinken was face-to-face with his russian counterpart. both weighed in on talks of a possible prisoner swap. maggie rulli joins us with more. good morning, maggie. >> reporter: hey, good morning, michael. yeah, brittney griner's waking up in a detention center this morning as she awaits an appeal but, michael, the sentence she's facing is harsh even by the standards of the russian court system. she is accused of a misdemeanor now being sentenced like a large-scale drug dealer. overnight brittney griner's teammates holding a 42-second moment of silence showing their support for the imprisoned wnba star, who is waking up to an even worse reality this morning. sentenced to nine years in a ru guilty of ug possed smuggling. sending this message to her family as she left the courthouse for the last time after the verdict was read.

jane: michael man, thank you very much for joining me. michael: thank you. jane: well, once again, there have been growing fears about the potential for an accident at the nuclear power plant in ukraine, which is being held by russian forces. the un's nuclear agency says ukraine reported that the plant was twice disconnected from the grid for the first time in its 40 year history. ukrainian officials said a fire at a coal plant next door had damage the last outgoing powerlines that were not already compromised by shelling blamed on russia. ukrainian president zelenskyy said the incident showed the plant is, is in his words, one step away from nuclear disaster. russia editor at bbc has been following the situation closely. bitterly, what do we know at this point? bitterly: it's a tense situation, because it's the first time anything like ts happened at the power plant. we know that the situation has been resolved and the power has been reconnected to ukraine's electricity, but four hours, tens of thousands of people have been affected in ukraine's southern re

this is michael cook, probably the biggest, floating slum in the world. about 250000 people live here on legal. there is limited access to solicitation services, electricity schools or even clean water. i'm just looking at this walk around and he's he has a very strong smell of yes. need to be decades of law. should just you mean it's that we've been li, the was cain, they show me the was born and raised in michael. he has agreed to sure around his home this is actually i slept with i slip with my breath. busy furniture is like, this is the 3rd is just this is where pick up, but this is, this is the good news for what to take. what i say in this coming. we believe, you know, believe my money. but every, every minute. so 11 through that would be live also. your one isn't one might be successful. so we don't have anything disney anymore. that's all that governments. i'll do this for 60 percent of league oceans leave in slums and what's our communities? many informal settlements, also risk demolition as the government expands the city. but just a 15 minute d

gove _ interesting, yes, to see michael gove on — interesting, yes, to see michael gove on the back benches. ,| interesting, yes, to see michael gove on the back benches. , i wonder if all the factors _ gove on the back benches. , i wonder if all the factors you're _ gove on the back benches. , i wonder if all the factors you're talking - if all the factors you're talking about explains the story in the times, page six, benedicte. this is about the mounting _ times, page six, benedicte. this is about the mounting costs - times, page six, benedicte. this is about the mounting costs of - times, page six, benedicte. this is about the mounting costs of living. j about the mounting costs of living. sir keir— about the mounting costs of living. sir keir starmer's labour party has -ot sir keir starmer's labour party has got its _ sir keir starmer's labour party has got its biggest lead in almost a decade — got its biggest lead in almost a decade. it is pulling in this yougov poll at _ decade. it is pulling in this yougov poll at 43%— decade. it is pulling in this yougov poll at 43% a

michael: i ain't no angel. i have been through -- i have made some bad choices, but god lifted me up. so, the way i show god that i appreciate my second chance at life is by coming home and making sure that i show my youth what i did wrong. dana: the greatest gift that michael was able to give to people a lot of the time was making them feel like they mattered, because he was going to the places that other people don't go. jeffrey: dana rachlin is a brooklyn-based activist who, with williams, co-founded we build the bloc an organization aimed at increasing public safety through community-led initiatives. williams, she says, was eager to reach young people and help change lives. dana: and when we talk about, like, mentorship, or looking for positive role models, or looking for love, i think that's what made michael so special. he understood that he had to share pieces of himself to make other people feel whole. jeffrey: the focus on social justice also showed up in his work on camera, in drama such as "when we r

host: michael, what is your alma mater? michael: auburn university. host: what is the answer to the question? michael: i knew you would. host: michael harriet, you describe yourself, and i might be mispronouncing this, as a white- people-oligist. michael: it is a whimsical term based on the idea that we try to address racism and dissemination in this country a lot by investigating and studying and interrogating black culture and i believe that you cannot solve that problem or interrogate white supremacy in this country by studying black people because we did not create racism, we do not perpetuate it. to solve the problem, you have to study white people and that is why i created the term. host: before we begin taking calls, we want to put some public policies out there. christina greer, when you woke up this morning, what public policy issue was on your mind? christina: i am deeply concerned about the roll back of roe v. wade and i was reading about indiana essentially saying that there is almost a full abortion ban in that state. i am fearful that ot

michael: certainly. i didn't earnings bowl because they are continuing to demonstrate that they are pretty strong when you look at high nominal gdp that we are looking at right now been vindicated, and there is a lot of margin pressures. at the overall s&p 500 index level, you are not seeing too much major margin destruction and part of that is due to the fact that energy companies are putting through margins, and the big tech margins are hanging in there at healthy levels. i think that is part of it. and i think a lot of people have already, you know, discuss this, it is a calibration of multiples that has been processed, so we are waiting for this big drop. the equity bears are waiting to see a drop in economic activity and the jury is still out on whether we are getting that. i think that debate in a way keeps the volatility elevated for a while, for every good economic print is going to be looked at with some concern, and some of the negative economic news we get is going to be like, well, maybe that

michael: we are still pretty optimistic. may be optimistic that there will not be a meaningful recession. credit looks ok. -- has made valuations a little more pricey. simply given the lack of the lack of big-time recession risks priced into the market. we will keep pressure on credit markets, like we have seen today and equity markets suffering on rising rate expectations. that will hold back credit markets as well. we've been thinking about implementing more quality traits to get away from too much pure recessions. even though we don't think it will happen, there is not enough risk premium to take it vantage of that view right now. kailey: on that note, we will leave it. michael kushma, thank you so much for joining us. coming up, we will turn from bonds to commodities. the average price for a gallon of gas in the u.s. has stayed below four dollars for another week. where does it go next? patrick de haan will join us to answer that question. this is bloomberg. ♪ >> this is ritika gupta. diane swonk joining, coming up. th

michael readjusts to an abrupt no. he said there are challenges out there but it is markets in front of economics and he's easily forgotten the basic code. lisa: and not just that, the dollar weakened. if you go back to 2020, it was a substantial risk on move. usually with dollar weakness you seated across the board with the nasdaq, getting it the most with july, all of these things easing together for a full risk on feel that is hard to push again. tom: kailey leinz in for jonathan ferro. we've been trying to get back. let me give you a bramo question. as lisa says, it is both equity and bonds, the dollar moving weaker or he says it is a double barrel short squeeze of a bonds price up, equities price up. kailey: we definitely saw that yesterday with the nasdaq -- that's not take away from mid june. i would argue the rally was more substantial than bonds. by the end of the day, the 10 year it was unchanged and the two-year was -- tom: we've got to train her to do this better. we just averted yesterday a little bit, but

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michael, we're coming up on the end here. maybe i'll just ask you, is there anything that you sort of wanted to cover that we didn't get to? i know there's a great deal. the 2020 campaign just continues to fast night me. i can't read enough about it, so your book was a great gift for me. what do you think, i guess, i ought to ask as a long time observer at this point after five or six years. donald trump's future. can you mantel when you think of the three words, donald trump's future. >> i know you would ask the question. i was never going to get the question-- nothing i could come up with that could be more poignant than your question and that's a very good way to end it. ... heavy, there's no bigger travesty for him than being part of as boring werebeing ignored so he wants to be part of the conversation . he wants to be told that he's still the most powerful figure in the republican but the fact is we'll have to see what 122 has in store. he's made twoad dozen endorsemet i think from the ascendant all the way down to stat

michael, we're coming up on the end here. maybe i'll just ask you is there anything that you sort of wanted to cover that we didn't get to ? i know there's a great deal. the 2020 campaign just continues to fascinate me. i can't read enough about it so your book was a great gift for me . as a longtime observer at this point after five or six years , donald trump's future . do you imagine when you think of the three words donald trump's future? >> i was never going to see it just as a question, there's nothing i could come up with that would be moreone than your question that's a good way to end it . i think we will see. he wants to be part of the heavy, there's no bigger travesty for him than being part of as boring werebeing ignored so he wants to be part of the conversation . he wants to be told that he's still the most powerful figure in the republican party. the fact is we will haveto see what 2022 has in store . he's made two dozen endorsements ithink . from the u.s. senate all the way down to the staten borough island bo

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>> well, michael, it is great to see you. i've got to tell, you this is such terrific news. 43 million people across the country who are going to get some form of relief, 20 million people will have their debt entirely canceled. and another 23 million will see some sort of really. and i have just been hearing the stories and been moved to tier by people whose dreams are now possible. people who can move at a living with mom, and actually think about renting an apartment for themselves now that they have grown and not have that ability for so many years. people have dreams to be able to buy a car, so that they can get the different job. all kinds of stories that are just so phenomenal, and i really think the president has done something remarkable and something that will change lives. >> congresswoman, of course with your enthusiasm comes some questions and concerns. not everyone is seeing this as a great thing to have happened. or, example the washington post in the wall street journal editorial boards both agree that this is