and 2007 the wiaa, the rule makers, adopted ioc position on transgender athletes. surgery had to be done in two years of hormone replacement. 11 years later, only one calendar later of testosterone suppression and last year changed it again with no medical evaluations, and basically you can compete in a manner that is consistent with your gender identity. meaning you identify as being trans and you can compete on the women's team. now, they made this rule because they thought it was more consistent with the washington state's nondiscrimination laws that they had out there. i have been from the beginning out to -- i'm out for that, like that fourth place woman who is trying to make it to the state championships. you know, but there's a trans athlete in there in the top three that doesn't allow her to be able to do that, fulfill her dreams, maybe get a scholarship down the line. we have to keep it fair. and the lia thomas case, i was never against her, she played with the rules. and this athlete is playing with the rules but they have to change the rules and on the i

will: the washington interscholastic association policy says wiaa gender eligibility rules follow washington state nondiscrimination laws that protect full access to athletic activities for students. so all that's required as you just explained, pete, is a declaration. i am x, i am y. i can be x or y and compete as x or y. pete: that's the logical state of gender identity. they've totally gotten rid of biological sex. everything is gender. pay attention to the words a lot because they don't say -- we use them interchangeably -- man and woman. it's all a spectrum and go down that train, how do you stop? from someone who says, no, no, i identify this way. you have nothing to stand onto tell them they're wrong. so states like washington are just showing the inevitable end state over this kind of policy and no one is going to stand up and say you can't. you're discriminating because you're saying there are men and women. sounds confusing and that's how we got to this place. rachel: you interviewed some of the young athletes. pete: these ryan higgins athletes from another -- these were athletes f