and the next cardinal is cardinal montenegro from italian cardinal. it's incredible, just all the different countries that pope francis from which he created cardinals. i mean, there were already 50 cardinals at the conclave of 2005, now there are 70. this, this is cardinal danielle of montevideo, uruguay, the country of course, which is a neighbor to pope francis is argentina, small country with a very secular society. and now this is cardinal arlindo gomez furtado, portuguese name, but he's actually from cabo verde, cape verde, which received pope francis in one of the most memorable visits of his pontificate, a place of enormous, popular religiosity and devotion, and they received him really like a hero, it was a wonderful visit, and the next one is from tonga, cardinal maffi, can i ask you one thing, austin, i heard someone say: that some of the cardinals don't speak english or italian and they communicate in latin, because to be a cardinal you have to have a a working knowledge of latin, is that correct? i'm surprised to hear that. i i think most

cardinals themselves. and then they created a way for the cardinals. and even up until 1996, and even up until benedict xvi, they're tweaking the process constantly. >> but also, if i may, the actual name conclave is very fascinating. and the reason why they're locked inside the sistine chapel, that comes from the 13th century, when the cardinals that was the longest election in history after 1000 days following the death of the pope there, they just couldn't make their mind up. they couldn't find a compromise. this was not in rome. it was in viterbo. it's a town that is about an hour and a half drive from here, from rome. and at that point the people there got grew so unnerved and frustrated that they decided to force the cardinals to lock themselves into the papal palace. there it was where they were holding the election and just ration food and water until they made a decision. and that worked. and since then, essentially, it has been the home of the wheat. it means wheat key in in latin. >> since then,

first off, cardinal. cantalamessa is not known for his brevity, and he gets to talk to them first, and then they have to choose all the various roles they draw the names on little wooden bowls out of a bag, and who gets to count the ballots, and who gets to review the ballots? who gets to be the infirmarian? and you see the pace at which they move. it's very deliberate and very reflective, and they follow all of the steps. and so and this is also the first time they've done it. so everything is awkward and slow. and it's as many people as took the oath. they walk up and they present a ballot and they and they swear that an oath as they vote. so you're going you're going to be watching those shadows lengthen across the square for quite a while before any foreign news comes out. and even that only happens after the the the homily is finished and bishop rovelli leaves the master of ceremonies is still in there. so when he says extra omnes, he means everybody but me. get out. and so he and the preacher both h

cardinal marcello semeraro is a cardinal here in rome, he had the making of saints. marcello semeraro is the archbishop of the basilica of saint peters. are there those that might be posts around these things? perhaps. now is we have three second of the three english cardinals in this conclave, this is cardinal arthur roche from leeds, he has been to castries of divine worship. this is lazarus you heung-sik, he is in charge here, of the office of governing clergy. claudio gugerotti is in charge of the department here which has relations with the eastern rite churches. we were talking about them, was also be former -- who knows great britain very well. next is victor manuel fernandez, the pope's ghost writer, slightly in the shadows, francis recently brought him out and taken a major responsibility. this is emil paul tscherrig, from switzerland. we are coming to the end of our list. this is christophe pierre, it was the pope has most representative in the united states, he is 79. he has a francis's man of reshaping the us church. now we have angel fernandez artime. he

cardinal. right? i think generally they're looking at other people who they may want to appoint others to. and so that's why these general congregations have been so important to look at other people and to say, have you considered this cardinal or that cardinal? but yeah, i think anyone who wants that is and certainly expresses it is almost automatically disqualified. >> father john wark is also with us for our coverage here this morning. and father wark, your thoughts as you watch this procession. >> father walke, simply here with us and. >> what we're watching is the cardinals now are entering from the sala regia. they're passing into the sistine chapel, going from one set of frescoes by michelangelo to another set of frescoes. it's a rare moment when a bunch of elderly men can upstage the artwork of michelangelo. but the conclave is that moment. >> and father walk the weight of the moment, the history that they will soon make. they must sense that as they enter the sistine chapel. >> almost

there will be the cardinal press pi tors and ending with the cardinal deacons. >> when each cardinal has sworn to uphold the oath read by cardinal carolin, they'll hold celebrations will ploa claimed, everyone go out -- will proclaim, everyone go out. basically expelling everybody who is not taking part in the actual election from the sistine chapel. the doors are then closed for the first time the master pontiff celebrations remains inside along with cardinal taking part in the conclave but also chosen to give the meditation. that's in accordance with the norms of the constitution university. you'll hear that title quite a bit. that's the document that guides every step of the conclave. in fact the whole period between the death or resignation of a pope anti-election of a new pope. the constitution proscribes that the meditation should reflect on the very grave duty of electing a new pope, of the necessity going into that election and making a choice with the right intentions, and concern only the will of judge, judgment of god -- will of god, judgment of god, and the holy mother ch

you have the cardinal deacons, the cardinal priests, and the cardinal bishops, and it is the cardinal bishops who are the most senior. they process in at the end. so it's the most junior who come in first and the most senior who come into the. and we've just seen cardinal ray. we can see him now coming up to the altar to, to get the mass underway. >> which one is he? >> he's just he's just in the center of the screen there you can see with his hands in the prayer position. >> and he, of course, will be giving the the homily kim, as as chriis expining st junior first. sometimes it is most senior. as this process goes o that we will see the ranking. >> yes, absolutely. and i think the other thing to note, of course, is that you see this baldachino which is recently restored above the altar there. it's again a really wonderful comment on the connection we have wh our tradition. and then cours the fl saint is a momt of the faithful is supporting, our, our cardinals, but also really in prayer tother in th decision. >> and of course, the altar just by the mb of saint peter. catholics hold a

many of these cardinals that come from countries that never had cardinals before.ther statistic interesting 3/four of all catholic come from the global south. latin america, africa, asia. that's a big difference to a couple generations ago. while the number of catholics is growing where they are found is also changing. the era where europe and italy controlled them all i think was for 500 years before john paul ii that every pope was from italy. that is changing, too. is this the moment for a pope from outside the western world? cardinal from the philippines is something many people talk about as well. is this the time for it to move or is it not? that is something the cardinals will be thinking? what is the future of the catholic church hold and the best way to keep growing among the youth of today particularly? there are a growing number of catholics but a fear some are getting lost on social media and paying as much attention to the evangelical side. the catholics and cardinals are aware of the church is and where they want it to go and what they are afraid of h

cardinal bellini. >> cardinal villanueva. >> there they go. writing. so while outside, we have no idea where the vote stands inside. with multiple votes now under their belts, the cardinals do know who the frontrunners are, or if there even are any, as well as who may have momentum. whether the cardinals have to shift from plan a to plan b or even plan c, keep in mind, while they can't. speak inside the chapel, these men had dinner together last night and lunch together today. time to talk over options, maybe even lobby for the man they want to be pope. now, more than 10,000 people are crowded into saint peter's square and the roads leading to it waiting for what could be hours or days until a new pope is revealed. >> here we are surrounded by. >> men and women. >> from almost every. >> nation. languages all around. >> and everyone is. leaning in. there's a sense of expectation, i think, a sense. >> of hope. >> i've noticed. >> that as time has gone on. >> i've seen more. >> rosaries in hands. >> i've seen more nuns praying. i've seen more people like

three cardinals then they put a string and a needle through it if a cardinal hasn't won.l tradition has been going back a long time and presumably they will be sticking to that exact little the same this time, too. >> yes. well, again, this is the beauty of the choichlt all thiels things you're sfrooeg seeing, their willingness to shed their blood for christ in his gospel everything is filled with meaning, the final blessing here. but the weight on these men, look at the eyes, look at the faces of these men. i know some of these fellows and when you look closely you can see the weight on them as they go into this. because some of them i think are worried that they're going to have to embrace this cross and it reminds me of the line that jesus said to st. peter, ben, when he said, very truly i tell you, when you were younger, you used to fasten your own belt and go wherever you wish, but when you grow old you will stretch out your hands and someone else will fashion a belt around you and take you where you do not wish to go. some of these men don't wish to go down this pat

cardinal robert prÉvost, born in chicago. cardinal michael harvey, born in milwaukee.rdinal joseph tobin, once a mechanic, now the archbishop of newark, new jersey. >> timothy cardinal dolan. >> and then cardinal timothy dolan, the archbishop of new york. there was cardinal charles bo, the first ever cardinal from myanmar named by pope francis. cardinal luis antonio tagle from the philippines. some have now called him the asian francis for his warmth and humanity. he is considered a contender here as well. cardinal peter erdo of hungary, considered more conservative, also a potential pope. cardinal matteo zuppi, the archbishop of bologna, italy, who rides his bicycle everywhere, considered a street priest, much like francis, and cardinal pierre battista pizzaballa, the first cardinal of jerusalem named by pope francis. all of them are contenders, and after each one of them pledges secrecy in the sistine chapel, the famous order. before the voting begins, monsignor diego rivelli giving the order extra omnes. >> extra omnes. >> latin for everybody out. those who are not

picked all those cardinals. it is also a secret conclave, a very private and spiritual event for the cardinals taking part. they will all have sworn themselves to secrecy. and when they go into the sistine chapel there is no communication with the outside world. the doors are literally locked behind them and they have to vote. the reason why we see the doors being locked is because many centuries ago, in the early 1270s, pope gregory the tenth decided the last conclave, the one just before his, for three years it went on and it was too long, so he decided to block the cardinal sin and that tradition has kept going until now. that's the longest conclave. the shortest conclave ever was no more than ten hours. they decided on the very first vote. that happened in the very early 16th century. again, many centuries ago. in modern times we haven't seen a conclave last more than two or three days. that's what many people here are expecting. but what direction will be catholic church move towards and what is it the card

going first, cardinal deacon is followed by the cardinal priests would be cardinal ships coming up last. a few of the cardinal bishops and the most senior of them is pietro carolyn. he of course is bringing up the rear as with any liturgical possession. it's not a long walk from the pauline to the sistine chapel. we saw earlier, places are ready, and we know exactly in what order they must sit. they will. the order in which they set is determined by the hierarchy and that isn't how old they are, it's not my birthday, it's by the date they were created. we talk about creating cardinals. the most senior ones will be the cardinal bishops followed by the cardinal, followed by the cardinal deacons, each have a number and at those tables is their number and because they are coming in reverse order, they should neatly go to their place. some are wearing the different hats. what is the difference? the skullcap is underneath their beretta, the cornet hats. it is what given when they are made a cardinal. they are given a ring and a schools which have the name of the church in rome. the college of

took a lot longer, it's because at that time the cardinals were divided into two blocks and what happened was they each voted for the one they wanted and they both neither could prevail because that can happen because you got to get to the two-thirds, you can get to a place where one can't reach the two-thirds because the other's blocking, but the other can't get there either, so what happened was that the the cardinals then looked for a third possibility, and that's where carol voy tilla, had become pope john paul ii, came up as it were that... obviously took more time, i don't see that's likely uh in this in this conclave, and we're expecting this conclave uh to last the same as the last two, as you say, which is an election on the second day, it could go on longer, but i've often look when i've looked and i've heard about conclaves and what happens in them, it's all about getting to that two-thirds and now the vote that they've just done now, the ballot is the in many ways most important ballot of the whole. conclave because for the first time they've been talking and talking and talki

it was cardinal robert prevost, and cardinal timothy dolan. and cardinal prevost has been somewhat of -- even to the american cardinals himself, because he has spent most of his ecclesiastical career or ministry serving the people of peru as an augustinian. born in chicago and studied at the university -- there's going to be some parties going on at villanova today. i can guarantee you that, but cardinal prevost was called by pope francis to lead a very important department that's called the ditastery of bishops, and he stayed very discrete. he did not get involved in any controversies in terms of what's going on in the world. he was very quiet. and he talked maybe about having a quiet pope. he's been -- he's been a rather quiet, either in a very important vatican department. i think we have a pope approaching right now. >> from the basilica >> a special moment. >> yeah, a special moment. [ cheering and applause ] >> and there he is. there he >> he was talking about the simpleism -- symbolism of what he's wear right now. >> pope leo xiv -- >>

tagley, but the other filipino cardinal that we saw earlier, cardinal david, bishop of of kulukan in philippines, one of these fast growing asian cities, he's well known - for his taking on the drug traffikers in his country, for confronting corruption and indeed for speaking truth to power in the form of dute, the then president, he made a big impact here in the sinad, i remember him speaking - young, very young, he's in his 60s, so it would be a very long papercy, that's one, apparently he gave a speech which named the moment that we're in and that went down very well with the cardinals, the other is a a spanish cardinal called christobal lopez romero, who is unusually the archbision of rabat in morocco, only been there only a few years, wonderful sense of humor, great charm, um, lovely personality, but again definitely an outsider choice, but i just hear that those were two speeches that went down, doesn't mean that that means it makes them pope, but when we look back on the the history of paper elections, we often discover that there is a moment where somebody stands up as it wer

cardinals chicago born cardinal prevost, who will be the first american pope and congolese cardinal ambongo, a respected figure who may receive votes. but as an old saying about papal election goes, he who enters the conclave as pope leaves it as a cardinal. in lockdown, totally isolated from the outside world, the eyes of the world are fixed on one small vatican chimney, waiting for white smoke. well, erin, it was really expected tonight that it would be black smoke. no one really thought the cardinals would come to a decision. but the first vote is very important. of course, we don't get the tally of the votes, but we do know that in that first vote, we get to see where the support is moving. which cardinals have got the most number of votes, and perhaps which cardinals have unexpectedly picked up votes. and it's from that. first vote that cardinal support starts to move to other candidates. it's very important. of course, tomorrow, going into more rounds of voting, we should start to eventually see some frontrunners emerge. and of course, hopefully that white smoke at some point. erin. >

cardinal bishops, cardinal priests, cardinal deacons, and of course, it's down on seniority. how long you have been a cardinal for, and also your position within the the rank of cardinals. >> and so ben wedeman is here with us as we are looking out on saint peter's square. ben is behind us among people who have gathered and ben, you know, you covered previous conclaves. you were here, of course, for the selection of pope francis as you stand among people in saint peter's square today. how does this feel different. >> i think this feels different, aaron, in the sense that what we're seeing is that this is a more international conclave. there are 70 countries represented in this conclave, compared to only 48 in 2013. and this is very much the result of the efforts by the late pope francis to expand the church to universalize the church, to bring in parts of the world in terms of cardinals and others who were not part of the church before. and of course, what we're seeing is lots of people gathering as the day progresses, and we are joined now by donald and georges mandel, who j

. >> 133 cardinals. preparing to go behind closed doors to decide. >> who will lead. >> the. >> catholic church. >> for years. >> to come. >> a tradition steeped in. >> history with modern. >> day adjustments. >> for a. process cloaked. >> in secrecy. plus escalation. the dangerous rise in tensions between. >> india and. >> pakistan. >> and how the white. >> house is responding this morning. >> also developing news on the trump tariff agenda. the president now. >> saying deals. >> with trade partners don't actually need to be. >> signed. >> while treasury. >> secretary scott. >> best prepares for critical meetings. >> with. his chinese counterpart. >> it is. >> ten eastern, 7. >> a.m. pacific. >> i'm ana cabrera. >> reporting from new york. thanks for joining us. >> we begin. >> at the vatican, where cardinals are minutes from gathering to. officially begin. >> a. >> conclave like no other to select. >> the next pope. >> the cardinals are now arriving back at the vatican. >> after a day that. >> began wi

cardinal is giving. dear brothers and brothers and sisters, we are reading the acts of the apostles after christ ascension into heaven and while waiting for pentecost, in prayer together with mary, the mother of jesus. this is precisely what we are doing, a few hours before the beginning of the conclave, and the gaze of our lady beside the alter here, in this which rises above the thrown of the apostle peter. we feel united with the entire people of god in their sense of faith, love for the pope, and confidant expectation. we are here to invoke the half of the holy spirit to employ his light and strength, so that the pope lected may be he whom the you're commanding to meet of this difficult and complex turning point in history and tormented history, to pray by invoking the holy spirit is the only right and proper attitude to take as the cardinal electors prepare to undertake of the highest human and claim responsibility to make a choice of exceptional importance. this is a human act for which every perso

i mean, i reported this dossier on the cardinal candidates, the cardinal candidates, which was clearly written to try and influence the conclave in a more conservative direction. there has been these attempts to sway the cardinals. i don't think that's going to have a huge impact on them. yes, it is a political process. and of course, politics is a is a dirty word now, but actually it is necessary to have this kind of political style gathering in the run up, because they've got to get to know each other. they've got to hash out, thrash out the issues. of course, the politics of the conclave are quite subtle. you know, anyone who who's campaigning is disqualified. anyone who looks too ambitious immediately is sort of ruled out. so it is very subtle in that, in that way. >> in that sense, of course, although ambition is is required, although not in all cases, as pope francis perhaps proved farther back. >> yes. and of course, there's kim was saying the synod experience over the past number of years has really been a different one for these cardinals, because it has been one that has had

but there are ranks of cardinals called cardinal bishops, cardinal ranks, and cardinal deacons.by your date as a cardinal. the senior cardinal deacon -- cardinal dominique mumberte, is in fact in his early 70s. he's not a young guy. he gets to announce the new pope. if he doesn't come out on that to announce the new pope, we'll have a pretty good idea that he's the new pope. >>guys, it took me a second. then again, this oath is coming from -- >> they're swearing the oath on what's called the book of the gospels. it's a liturgical book in which the four gospels, matthew, mark, luke, and john are made. the cardinal with the flowing white beard there is archbishop of tehran in iraq. he has six priests. maybe 20,000, 30,000 catholics. >> let's listen in for a moment to get a sense. >> [speaking in a global language] >> each one, 133 cardinal electors taking this oath. and once this process is over, we will essentially be shut out. they will be shut out from us, we will be shut out from them. how quickly do they move to moment? >> well, ben mentioned a moment ago, there will be a spi

imagine that the cardinals went in and, perhaps, that the person -- the cardinal who got the most voteative cardinals to come together for them to push back. you know a number of these cardinals. talk to me what that procedure might look like and what they might be thinking? >> jonathan: there is nothing word wrong with the word compromise. cardinal dolan talked about this i have one, two, or three names on my mind. and i suppose most other cardinals do. but, you have to be, as jesus said in the gospel as wise as and innocent as doves. meaning you have to be smart about this. you have to be listening to the holy spirit, of course, according to catholic theology. christian theology and discerning a decision. but then you have to be realistic and say who could actually get 89 votes in this case? two thirds? and then be willing to come btocompromise your preference fr the good of the church and the world. things are confusing in the world. there is a lot of gray. in this case we are seeing black or white. it's kind of nice to know we have a benjamin benjamin you say for the good of the ch

there's ranks within the cardinals, cardinal bishops, cardinal priests, cardinal deacons. so you start with the cardinal bishops, the most senior, and then you go down to cardinal priests, cardinal deacons, and they will each process forward, place their paper ballot in the urn and go back to their seats. and then, of course, wait for the ballots to be read out. >> and then we see, you know, how many, how many rounds it takes at least. alan garber vatican vatican analyst is also here with us tonight, and it is a special moment here because, you know, right. what begins tomorrow, there's a feeling of that kind of butterflies in the stomach. just just being present in this place is it's a moment of history. you say the cardinals, though, who are ostensibly sleeping right now, have been sizing each other up and waiting for this moment for years, even though we've heard so much emphasis about how the vast majority of them were named by francis and thus haven't had a lot of time to have interpersonal, you know, kind of connections and relationships. >> no, exactly. i think that

look, cardinals also will look at the ages of the other cardinals.they don't want to elect someone age 60. it could put someone in that position for 20 or 30 years. a long time for a pope. most people seem to think it would be a cardinal in his 70s, a bit older. trying to break down what every cardinals brings to the table. where they stand, ideologically and geo politically. they've been talking amongst themselves for the last week or two and we'll know in one, two, three days who the new pope will be. >> thank you, benjamin. the gentleman you may have seen on the camera is a cardinal who is the secretary of state at the vatican holding that position for 12 years. he is running the show and also considered a lead contender to be possibly the next pope. >> dana: we still have with us bishop bonicci as you watch and get ready to take the oath. i'm sure it is a little emotional. one of the things that is pretty impressive i have to say. they always do it so well, is the presentation so that people can feel like they are there in the middle of that beau

the most senior figure here in the conclave is cardinal carolyn. he will ask them if they accept all of the rules and then he asks if they are willing to go to the first vote. they don't have to but they always do. he gets there ok to do the first ballot. they will only be time for one vote this afternoon. it's a very impotent votes because it's where they see where the numbers live, who has the momentum is, enough members and they're just concentrating on those few that has more than 20. it's all about getting the two thirds. the master of liturgical ceremonies. there, the vatican cameras depart, even from the outside of that door because one cannot hear even a whisper from inside those stores i imagine. review and now this of this beautiful square behind me, while we have been talking through those cardinal electors as watching those pictures from inside the sistine chapel, on the outside, the crowds have been gathering, they are getting larger and larger in their numbers, there is such excitement here and such a different feeling compared to the

among them, ten cardinals from the united states, cardinal robert prede voest, cardinal michael harveyinal joseph tobin, once a mechanic, now the archbishop of newark, new jersey. >> timothy dolly. >> reporter: then cardinal timothy dolan, archbishop of new york. it was cardinal charles wunbo named by pope francis and fathered father tangle from the philippines for his warmth. he is considered a contender. dr. erdo of hungary, more conservative, also a potential pope and mateo zuppi who rides his bicycle everywhere. considered a street priest like francis and cardinal pierbattista pizzaballa, the first cardinal of jerusalem named by pope francis. all of them are contenders and after each one of them pledges secrecy in the sistine chapel, the famous order before the voting begins. monsignor diego giving the order, [ speaking non-english ] >> david: latin for everybody out, those leaving the chapel and the doors are closed. this conclave will be like no other. 133 cardinals voting all under the ages of 80. the majority, 80% of them appointed by pope francis. they come from every corner o

cardinals are taking questions.en in. >> those who are in the synod in 23 and 24 not only knew but they also had heard each other talk about what we thought was important. so i think the experience of the spirit isn't a magical thing. we have to work at it. sometimes it brings -- you -- it brings you to the edge of a cliff and you say how can i get across? and in listening to others, you say oh my gosh, there it is. there it is. that's the way to go. i think we had time. there was not restricted just a few days this week. >> next question goes to terry moran. >> a couple of questions. first during the meetings of the cardinals and the congregations did pope leo, did he have something to say that might have had an impact on the conclave? and then today a cardinal said one of the reasons he is expected to have an american pope is because he can build a bridge and find conversation and dialogue with president trump. do you think that was present as well? >> i don't remember any particular intervention that then cardina

14th blessing the cardinals who chose him, the cardinals bowing to the new pope, conducting the mass in italian, but beginning his homily in english. >> i begin with a word in english. >> saying this to the cardinals from all over the world who placed their faith in him. >> you have called me to carry that cross and to be blessed with that mission. and i know i can rely on each and every one of you to walk with me. as we continue as a church, as a community of friends of jesus, as believers, to announce the good news, to announce the gospel. >> those cardinals delivering a surprise to the world with their decision that came 24 hours, 21 minutes after those doors closed at the sistine chapel. the conclave. the announcement we have a pope a. made on the balcony over saint peter's square. the cardinal born robert francis prevost in chicago, choosing to be called pope leo the 14th, waving to the faithful the world, seeing the emotion clear on his face. his first words. peace be with you all. tonight, the back in his hometown of chicago that began with the children who were watching at ou

but it could be any of the cardinals. luis tagle, of the philippines, is a man some have called "the asian francis." or it could be the americans seen as a moderate - robert prevost. or ghanaian peter turkson - tipped even at the last conclave. immediately after the oath taking, everyone who wasn't an elector was told to leave. the next we'll see one of the men still inside they'll be pope. but it hasn't happened yet. well, for all the solemnity inside the sistine chapel, this is what it feels like outside. tens of thousands of people here with their phones. they've been waiting hours, just for that first communication from the cardinals. there was disappointment, though perhaps not surprise, at the black smoke. but there will now be up to four votes a day until a new pope is chosen. aleem maqbool, bbc news, at the vatican. so the italian papers are also picking up on this story. the front page of this one... the long wait talking about the cardinals in the conclave yesterday afternoon. three hours for black smoke. that i

all cardinals are made to take a vow before they begin their voting. they are not allowed any contact with the outside world. you can see there a row of the swiss guards watching and waiting, the swiss guard of course be hopeful swiss guard, a guard of honour, a protective unit maintained by the holy to protect the pope. within a matter of seconds we will see the beginning of this holy ceremony to mark the possession that will guide these men to the sistine chapel. let's listen.

now, as you mentioned there, over 130 or 133 cardinal electors will gather inside the cistine chapel later for the first round of voting. 108 of them were hand-picked by pope francis himself, and this is going to be one of the most diverse conclaves ever. we're going to see uh cardinals from all over the world, because that's what pope francis wanted to see when he picked all of the... cardinals, it's also a secret conclave, it's a very private and spiritual event for the cardinals to take part, they will all have sworn themselves to secrecy, and when they go into that system chapel there is no communication with the outside world, the doors are literally locked behind them and they have to vote, and the reason why we see the doors being locked is because many, many centuries ago in the early 12/70s, pope gregory 10th decided that the last conclave, the one just before his, for three years it went on and that was just too long, so he decided to lock the cardinals in and that tradition has kept going until now, so that's the longest conclave, the shortest conclave in ita ever was no m

the cardinals have failed to elect a pope on the first round of voting.oke appeared at one minute past 9:00 exactly local time, a new record, i believe. so, austen ivereigh, papal biographer, longtime friend of mine, by long time, i mean three hours. what does this mean? austen: as expected, this was the first ballot. on the first ballot, they see where the votes lay in the room. as it were, that vote that guides the rest of the conclave. i was not expecting a pope to be elected now. a pope has not been elected. we are getting what we expected. what was not expected that it would run so far over time. we don't know why that is the case, we may get an explanation tomorrow, or we may learn only later what happened. it may have been a technical hitch, they had to do a recount, or something to do with them, something went wrong. the important thing is they have voted, the balance have been burned. everything is working now. we are now all set for the voting to begin again tomorrow, two votes in the morning, two in the afternoon. they may not need all of those

i think now and the cardinals and i experienced this talking to the cardinals before they entered the conclave. at the end, there is seriousness that comes over them. they are not picking their perfect candidate or perfect pope, because god knows we've had doozies. somebody in love with god, in love with their savior jesus christ. and a joyous and convincing way. >> griff, carley, we'll bring you back in, as well. >> carley: thank you, jonathan morris, i have a question. are cardinals aware of who received the most votes yesterday so they can potentially coalesce around one person if they want to? >> jonathan: you better believe it. at first there is mystery, who would get a chunk of votes. some people throw in the name of a friend out of respect. others come with a block of voters saying we're going to put our name behind this person to make a statement, 20, 30, up to 40 electors behind one or another candidate and then they go back. this is what happens, they left at 9:10 last night. they go back and have dinner. i'm told by cardinals the dinner is not very good. it is left out buff

or i believe, the third most senior cardinal, cardinal tagle of the philippines. and we just heard that woman from southern. california tell ben wedeman she was hoping he had been selected, what someone called what the francis of asia and much more in his footsteps. it could be them. it could be somebody else. but the big question right now is who? >> i think that's what everybody is so eager to know right now. we're on everyone's on pins and needles right now. and you can feel that here. the anticipation growing in the crowd as people come and wonder who this man is and what he's going to do. you know, i think many people had initially anticipated a longer conclave simply because so many of these guys were unknown to one another. again, you know, and they they haven't had a lot of time to talk and to meet before this conclave took place. so the fact that it happened very quickly, you know, many people might say, does indicate that it was one of those frontrunners that we have, you know, been hearing so much about, whether it's cardinal parolin or cardinal tagle,

cardinals. >> it was wonderfully, comically announced. he announced it at a papal audience in latin, and you had to see all around the room anyone who understood what he was saying. it was an astonishing thing to do. >> it raises. >> so many questions. >> what happens now? >> two weeks after benedict xvi resignation? pope francis is elected, and the papal crown is handed from one man to the other. >> we have two popes, but only one is the pope. the problem with having two popes is that you have to decide who do you listen to? >> benedict was 85 when he resigned. he inherited the financial mess. he inherited the mess of sexual abuse. he inherited the administrative chaos. benedict resigned because he realized that these problems were simply too great for him. it's not like other human institutions. it's created, we believe. >> by god. >> and this man is resigning. >> from all of that. that's not what popes supposed to do. >> for 2000 years, the legacy of saint peter has been a divine office, passed down from one pope to the next. but can t

what new york city cardinal timothy dolan said right here today and another cardinal here telling james longman if there's no new pope by friday what that would signal. >> tonight, motown legend smokey robinson facing alarming new allegations. what we have learned. >> new details about the suspect who crashed through the front gates of jennifer aniston's home. police say this was no accident. >> and tonight, live from the vatican, we'll take you inside the sistine chapel, what they have now set up right before it's locked off from the rest of the world. you'll see it. >> announcer: from abc news, this is abc "world news tonight" with david muir. reporting tonight from the vatican. >> david: good evening tonight from the vatican on the eve of the historic secret conclave that will elect a new pope. the ritual begins just a few hours from now. the first vote inside the sistine chapel tomorrow. the world will be waiting for the famous white smoke. that signals a new pope. you can see the balcony over my shoulder where they'll unveil the new pope to the world, but how many days will it take

in communion with the cardinals that elected him, so it is a beautiful sign of unity that all the cardinals and the pope together will be celebrating mass. as equals. the pope will preside and be the leader of the liturgy but all of them are dressed in white, indicating they are all celebrants together. it is a sign of fraternity, of solidarity, of unity together as a college. remembering the pope is a bishop, just like the other bishops. he is the bishop of rome, the first bishop amongst all the other bishops. we will hear from the pope a little bit, too. it is always great to hear for the first time. you talk about unity, how important is that unity for the catholic church in 2025? it is always an important aspect of the life of the church, of the catholic church, that it stays united. it is a sign of god's grace and love that there is unity. that people are being brought together by the love of god. that should bring them together in a united way, not fragment them or divide them. it is a sign of that and especially now at this time where there is so much fragmentation, polarisation and

, whose name is cardinal mamberti introduce him.you can bet he feels the weight of the world. >> benjamin: what can we read from the fact this only took four votes, does that give any suggestion as to what kind of pope it might be? >> jonathan: it is tough to make a prediction right now, because i'm about to be proven wrong. let me tell you, if it is the fourth vote, which it was, it means it is probably not somebody we weren't talking about, rather somebody the cardinals had in mind and were talking about among themselves before they went into the conclave. it is hard to get to 89 votes in four votes if it is somebody nobody had thought of john paul ii was elected after the eighth vote, which means he was not on the forefront of their minds. they saw nobody could get two thirds quickly, they started to look further and further away from original thoughts. most likely we'll recognize this name because we have been talking about him. >> benjamin: we don't have long left, any pope before said what it felt like when their name was anno

it is the way in which those cardinals are able to communicate with us. we wait to see whether or not we get. black smoke, which means that no pope has been chosen this evening and that the process of the conclave continues tomorrow with further voting in the morning, two rounds in fact, and further voting tomorrow afternoon, another two rounds and two more rounds of smoke watching and so on and so forth, so before the doors of that 16 chapel shut earlier on, we saw the... has taken oath in which they promised to keep secret all matters related to the vote and that whoever is elected will faithfully carry out that vole, because don't forget the 133 men inside the system chapel, they are cardinal electors, but most likely one of them will be the next pope, so as the son continues to set behind st. peters basilica, the vatican camera is stubbornly staying on the chimney, still with me here on the balcony is my everlasting friend austin, you're never going to leave me, are you certainly not, not as long as there's smoke, not as long as that okay, once there'

it used to be just cardinals, but the cardinals already did this in the conclave after they elected him as pope. after they elected him, they all did exactly this. to the cardinals having done it, this is now being broadened out to the whole people of god, who represent the church. there we have a deacon, for example the married couple behind him. no dignitaries though, of course, from the hundreds who are there, including the duke of edinburgh, representing king charles. so the head of the union of superiors general, she represents the women religious, and this is the head of the jesuits, and he is there representing the male religious. when we say religious members of religious orders, that's what he is doing there. the jesuits are very important of course, because of pope francis. most of these are lay people, and i think we are also going to have two young people. they are the two young people. what an extraordinary moment for them. isn't it. how did they get chosen? it is a good question. i don't know. i think probably

the number of cardinals has ballooned, has in it. it's at 133 cardinals. i suppose they could be one of the reasons why we have been waiting so long here this evening. this is a fresh group of people, they don't know each other very well which a lot of people have been saying, but you need to create a cohort. you need to create groups coming need people to talk to each other. i assume they have been talking to each other over the past few days, but need to reach consensus and 133 people is a lot of people to manoeuvre in order to get consensus. my bet would be the smoke will be black today, but maybe i am wrong. we will see whether or not you are right or whether you are wrong in the next few moments, i am sure. think you so much for joining us it's been a pleasure to get your insights into the history of the conclave. for those of you who are just joining us and those of you who are wondering, what are you doing, you are sitting there staring at a single shot of the chimney, it is a beautiful chimney, a lovely chimney, it has its little cap and it is very

had a cardinal before. and i think that's also something positive. so i won't be with so much worried. the fact that how long it will take. but the fact that actually voices that have never been heard before are actually present to elect the next pope, i think that that's great. and i think it's good, even if they have, they have time to spend more, they need more time to spend to know one another. i think that's actually very beneficial. i don't see it as a negative. and i think that whoever will be chosen also in that room and listening to their names to be called when they're, you know, they're they're they're calling the ballots. i think also that is creating some kind of like, tension because hearing your name being called, you could be elected and noticing what's going on in the room whoever is going to be elected also is living this process and also hearing what is really necessary because whoever is going to be elected is the pope of everyone. it's going to be the pope of all the cardinals, of all t

is it to protect the cardinals from each other as well? to make sure that the votes of a person not about another person is secret. also in the eyes of those who read those ballots. so easy to a very delicate application because and that's about a law or a or a if you read to go issue. but it's about the person. okay, so that's why there has to be more measures to make sure that no one can know how a certain cardinal has rotate about these neighbor or someone who's next to him or losing. he is a country navy, but i want to be clear of this. so during the conflict with the cardinals, let's say they're having dinner. there will be open discussion, i'm assuming it, and that is where you will see the camps build for a certain candidate. if you will, let me do we see kind of your, your cheer leading going on, if you will, ro, it's small table with discussions. so in small groups and there are certain rules, for example, if you are, is a favorite or you're about to win. it's a good rule i, i've read that you don't show up in these conversations

i suppose the cardinals are now going back to a bit of supper. they are probably feeling what we are feeling, which is it's probably time to have supper and a glass of wine, and i also, think about the cooks, they were expecting them back sometime ago. how do you keep it passed out -- how do you keep the pasta al dente when you been waiting for so long? these are some of the challenges that some of the staff face. we have to think of all of the angles here on bbc news. so to reiterate, those 133 cardinals tomorrow morning will come back to the sistine chapel, the doors will be locked once more and there will be two votes in the morning, but only one smoke watch. and that will happen late morning, won't it? that is right. tomorrow morning they will wake up, they will have breakfast, they will have mass, they will proceed to the chapel at about 930 a.m. and begin the process of voting again, two ballots, one smoke. to ballots in the morning at the end of the morning, they will burn the ballots of the two ballots and then we will get the smoke again

this is because a lot of these cardinals in the group of cardinal electors 108 have been appointed cardinalacy from far places around the world. they're really not that familiar and the opportunity to come together the last couple of days was really their first chance to kind of dialogue with each other and get a sense of who the other ones are. what do you think that that -- how do you think that will have an impact on this conclave in terms of the number of votes that it may take and the number of days it may take to elect a pope? >> you're absolutely right, john, as far as, of the 108 many are from parts of the world that haven't been represented in the past. many of them, of course, this is a first experience. the several congregations that took place prior to the conclave, including the last one which is the 12th, was an opportunity for all of them to speak, right, to converse with each other. many gave interventions they were allowed a period of five minutes. so it was a few days where they had the opportunity to get to know each other and now, of course, in conclave it's much more pr