, they were looking to be able to decide who could be admitted to harvard who could be hired at harvard to wanted to have an ongoing audit of what was going on at harvard, this is an effort to take over the academic freedom of harvard university. so walk in harbor do legally to stop this action from the trumpet ministration that as well . i think what they're going to do is go into court. they'll probably get a temporary restraining order and a preliminary injunction halting this order. in fact, just today on the west coast, on a federal district court judge, i believe in the northern district of california, i issued an order preventing the trump administration from effecting of the immigration or the status of any of the students. and any of the colleges anywhere in the united states. so i'm not sure how much that applies to this particular situation with harvard. but certainly you can expect in the next day or 2 that the university you'll be going before a federal district court judge in boston. now, how might this change or impact harvard and other institutions across the united stat

is not harvard any more. this place thrives on the fact that it can bring the best and the brightest from around the world, but if trump follows through on this, that will not be possible any more and all the uncertainty, it deters people from coming to america overall, not just harvard. and what is the sense amongst the student body there? you've mentioned uncertainty but is there a sense that everyone is in this together, that you have support from harvard itself? indefinitely, and that is why we have a protest in less than an hour from now, we're all going to under the umbrella of harvard students united, what donald trump is trying to do right now is trying to divide us, we want us to point fingers and say will give you the name of a few students we can keep the rest, but donald trump is a pretty bad poker player, he is going to demand 100 more names next week, this fight is over the independence of this institution but it's also about something bigger, it's about democracy in this country and that is som

goal harvard. but you make of this? i was actually at harvard during the fall of 2023 when the tragedy of october seven happened and harvard from that day forward failed miserably, the administration failed miserably to address concerns that many jewish students had about the anti-semitism that was growing on campus and while that entire semester and the rest of the semester saw so many different outpourings of support for the jewish students, the harvard administrators failed to address those concerns that many students had because of the still very loud anti-semitic voices that were protesting on campus. and they continued to have that lack of accountability with those students. if you are a student from outside the united states at any campus, let alone harvard and you participate in activities and deny your fellow students the ability to go to class, you do not have it right to stay in the united states of america on that campus. especially of the administrators are not going to hold you accountable for that bad beh

harvard.2 billion dollars as an endowment. they have $52 billion and this country is paying billions and billions of dollars and student loans. harvard is going to have to change its ways. amna: why has harvard in particular come into the president's sites in this way? >> it depends who you ask. some would say it is because they have a real problem with antisemitism on campus. even harvard has said there are things they need to do to better address anti-semitism on campus. the administration would say they are there to try to fix the problem. they would also pwn to -- point too dei issues. but harvard is almost synonymous with elite education in this country so there is a symbolic path with getting into a fight with harvard. and this has been escalating for several week. it started with threatening to pull money, pulling money, threatening to revoke their tax-exempt status. there have been a variety of pieces that have built on this and harvard filing suit to try to stop some of the earlier ef

it's just something to punish harvard because harvard has been fighting up for its values. that's what it really is. >> you touched on this a bit, but sort of spell it out for me. what do you think this move from the government represents? >> i think it's what the trump administration is trying to do right now is seizing more power by cracking down on universities and also like institutions that look at implementing the law so that that is what trump is doing here right now. this is it's not even ideological anymore. it's just harming harvard as much as they can. and i think they want to demonstrate that they're strong by cracking down on america's most powerful and most influential institution. >> joining us now from harvard's campus, cohost of the weekend prime time here on msnbc, antonia hilton, new york times correspondent michael bender, who had the scoop on this escalation with harvard and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade, now an msnbc legal analyst and university of michigan law professor. so, michael, i'm going to start with you because you broke the story yeste

. >> reports hitting harvard. president trump. >> escalating his feud. >> with america's. >> oldest university. >> now looking to completely cut. financial ties after targeting international students. i'll talk to one of them coming up. >> plus. >> the. >> search for. >> answers in the. united kingdom. >> about why a minivan plowed into a soccer victory parade in liverpool. also ahead. >> a war of. >> words over ukraine. >> president trump. >> calling putin absolutely. >> crazy. >> while the kremlin brushes that off. >> as, quote, emotional overload. >> what does. >> it all. >> mean for peace. >> talks and new. >> exclusive video of the. dramatic escape. >> tied to. >> that alleged. crypto kidnaping? >> good morning. >> it's ten. >> eastern, 7 a.m. pacific. >> i'm ana. >> cabrera, reporting. >> from new york. >> just two days before commencement. >> at harvard university. >> president trump. >> has. ramped up. >> his unprecedented. >> campaign of. government reprisal. >> against the elite school. >> the administra

we is harvard alumni, have just heard from harvard's president allen garber, that, that is the intention of the university. but i guarantee you it will be extremely disruptive for students, parents making plans beyond graduation, but also ready to send their students in some cases across the atlantic or pacific . as we head into the fall semester, this might not be fully clarified by the time international students want to head back to campus in late august. okay, so you have your views that clearly push that lead as sincerely held, but not universally shared. we've seen institutions like columbia given to the as well as look, it's every private institutions prerogative to respond to administrative pressures in the way that they see fit. you also see that in, in general, a sense, the columbia decision, a large consortium or set of consortia have come up among leading universities. not only, not only by the way the ivy league universities, but the so called big 10 schools have also banded together. and other universities in suing the administration on a number of other things, including t

obviously, there's not a single jewish student at harvard and jewish students at harvard need our support. but there's not a single jewish student at harvard who wants to expel a fifth of their classmates because they happen to come from foreign countries. there's not a single jewish student at harvard that wants to destroy the financial basis of their university. so that's not what this is. you know what? you know what it is. a couple of years ago, jd vance gave a speech to a conservative political conference. the title of the speech was universities are the enemy. he said explicitly, because they teach ideas we disagree with. he said explicitly, we cannot achieve anything in this country as a conservative movement unless we aggressively go after the universities. that's what they're doing right now. americans like the fact that we have great universities, not just harvard, but all over the country. and the one good news here is this is a lawsuit they are going to lose in an embarrassing way, all of these things that they're trying to do to harvard are going to fail. >> i want to go back

harvard conducted surveys. harvard spoke with professors, staff, students all across the campus, put forward a set, a long set of recommendations, and has taken steps to address, all forms of hate, anti-semitism and islamophobia. anti-black discrimination on the campus and at the very beginning of the antisemitism report. the report asked, allow us to take on the problem and to and to literally bring all parts of the university together. i want to make a make two points here with respect to the to the to my my colleagues previous point. number one, simply repeating a point. a point is not a legal argument. make. harvard is providing the records that the law requires it to provide what harvard is not doing is treating international students as though they were domestic terrorists. and that is, in fact, what the administration is trying to do. and we don't we we have no responsibility to to capitulate to that. >> but but, secretary wolf, on this front, just of what this means and students who are caught in the li

harvard students did the same. official and unofficial american system has been hostile to any support for the palestinians, claiming anti-semitism. and it was violent and the university. students were being cyberbullied and their names and profiles were being leaked online. a digital billboard just outside harvard university has been getting a lot of attention . at the same time, a conservative watchdog sent a billboard to cambria, labeling these students as harvard's anti-semitic front . if they do something they regret and want to apologize, we will remove them from the blacklist. they said that calling them anti-semitic was an unfair slur. i got a message which contained a screenshot of a tweet from the head of the media monitoring company that had set up a digital billboard, happily saying that he had our address and was going to send their trucks to our house on time. i hope what happened to us and the other students never happened to anyone else. they called our phones directly and threatened to kill and rap

, to attend harvard. it's a blatant violation of law. unconscionable and unprecedented, and intrusion on academic freedom, because what the administration wants to do is tell harvard what to teach. who should teach, and who should be students there. and that is a violation of academic freedom. but the first amendment, because it's based on viewpoints, not on terrorist activity or coordination with the chinese communist party. >> senator richard blumenthal, we have to leave the conversation there. very much appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> our panel is back with us now, and we want to talk more about trump's meme coin dinner last night. tolu, initially when this invitation went out, there was an indication that some of the top spenders on this meme coin were going to get a private tour of the white house that was since scrapped after it was reported on. we don't know exactly where this private tour is going to take place yet, do we? >> we don't know. but we do know that a lot of the top spenders are

so i think the harvard is spearheaded it, but you see many universities falling in line behind. harvard university. thank you for talking us through that. so ok, clearly a catherine includes from the best with which they don't think so much. my pleasure . the finance ministers from the world 7, which is nations have agreed to continue freezing billions of dollars of russian assets held by the western governments since the beginning of the war in ukraine. g 7, finance ministers meeting in canada issued a statement saying that the assets could be used to help pay for ukraine's reconstruction after the war. and that further sanctions could be imposed on russia . if no sci fi is reached, the u. s. and a you to control over on $300000000000.00 in suffering russian assets on the deposit. and mostly in the european bank accounts in 2022. this david shineman built a sense of russian 1000000000 should be spent on military ad for ukraine. he's a research through a columbia university school of international and public affairs. and he served on the white house the national security council, as dir

and i applaud harvard for standing up. i applaud harvard for not bending the knee. this attack, this legal response is necessary, but the legal response doesn't necessarily end the threat to harvard because trump will try another thing and then another thing and another thing which requires constant legal intervention. >> meaning another thing, another thing, another thing. jeremy, it's not going to stop at harvard and other academic institutions, you know, like a domino effect. they're all watching this very carefully, thinking we could be next. >> well, and the trump administration has already published a list of dozens of universities. it says it could go after. and that ranges from everything, because the administration has a problem with the way that they've pursued dei policies to their, in some cases, failure to take action in anti-semitic activity on campus. you know, one thing that harvard has done that is interesting and is different from what, say, columbia did when it was targeted by the trump administration, is express a lot of humility in saying, you k

trump versus harvard. the president is planning to direct federal agencies to cancel all contracts with the prestigious university. the total lost funds from this move $100 million plus public radio fights back. npr is now suing the trump administration, claiming attempts to get its funding violate the u.s. constitution. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. pamela brown is on assignment, and you're in the situation room. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> and we begin this hour with the breaking news. the trump administration delivers yet another blow to harvard university. the white house is now moving to cancel the federal government's remaining contracts, all of them with the nation's oldest university. that's about $100 milli. now in limbo, and it's the latest escalation in this feud. this morning, a hearingocusedn the president's effort to block harvarfrom enrolling international students just days after a judge paused the move. we're hearing from stud

we is harvard alumni, have just heard from harvard's president allen garber, that, that is the intention of the university. but i guarantee you it will be extremely disruptive for students, parents making plans beyond graduation, but also ready to send their students in some cases across the atlantic or pacific . as we headed into the fall semester, this might not be fully clarified by the time international students want to head back to campus in late august. ok, so you'll, you'll use that clearly, passionately as sincerely held, but no university chevy saying institutions like columbia given to this well, i look, it's every private institutions prerogative to respond to administrative pressures in the way that they see fit. you also see that in, in general, a sense, the columbia decision, a large consortium or set of consortia has come up among leading universities. not only, not only by the way the ivy league universities, but the so called big 10 schools have also banded together. and other universities in suing the administration on a number of other things, including the funding of

i mean, the harvard will go to court, harvard will win, but it'll take years. and those researchers will maybe move to france or china or somewhere else where they're not going to have mr. trump cutting off their funds. >> part of this gets to. >> an overarching question. >> hold on one second. this gets to an overarching question, which applies to this fight with harvard. and also you can apply it to what john and harry were talking about in terms of the trade war, which is to what end, actually, because you harvard has already put out two reports saying that they did fall short. they did not do enough. they did have a problem with antisemitism on campus. they say that they're putting steps in place in order to address that. but now trump is demanding a foreign student list to know where all international students are coming from. harvard already shares a list as of october 2024. there's information on that. donald trump now says that is not enough. so we know that harvard has become this symbol of the president's fight with institutions. he disagrees with. bu

, do we really think trump cares about harvard university? no. this is fairly massive political win. his supporters are like ivy league. he gets a kneecap an institution he doesn't support it may be prevented next elite class at my come through being the next president. probably not a republican one. aisha, it stroke versus travel to vegas or boston judge, who is good when i showed al? whatever happens donald trump will find a way of winning this. i think it is a combination of a number of things with them i is a bit of residual war on woke. why not? that something to donald trump. i think it is also a war on intellectualism for them epic donald trump firmly is against that mindset you mentioned a lack of diversity of thought for the often universities are those kinds of places. i thought it was really interesting in the interview the fact that what does this mean for the rest of the world? what does this mean for places like us? i think if our institutions are smart, if government is smart we should essentially open up safe and legal roots f

we is harvard alumni, have just heard from harvard's president allen garber, that, that is the intention of the university. but i guarantee you it will be extremely disruptive for students, parents making plans beyond graduation, but also ready to send their students in some cases across the atlantic or pacific . as we headed into the fall semester, this might not be fully clarified by the time international students want to head back to campus in late august. okay, so your, your view is that clearly pushed that feet as sincerely held, but not universally shared. we've seen institutions like columbia given to this, as well as look, it's every private institutions prerogative to respond to administrative pressures in the way that they see fit. you also see that in, in general, assumes the columbia decision. a large consortium or set of consortia has come up among leading universities. not only, not only by the way, the ivy league universities, but the so called big 10 schools have also banded together. and other universities in suing the administration on a number of other things, includi

and while harvard is very prominent and harvard and columbia, and other of those prominent institutions do get a lot of attention. and so i've got a lot of the oxygen in the media. the reality is that the vast majority of students, international and otherwise attend public institutions all around the country attend a wide variety of institutions. international students from high schools, trade schools, all the way up to research universities. and it, if, if harvard itself can be attacked, then how do you feel safe going to other school. so what we're more concerned about actually in the field is the potential impact. if this may have on other institutions across the country, joseph, um, i know you will, the in shanghai, but you are in american. harvard with it's $53200000000.00 endowment. that is $10000000000.00 more than any of the of the universe does. the 2nd one is yale. when can you really have sympathy for harvard when it has that amount of money does not have a little bit of a point the well, i think we, we can say this one doesn't have to can see. but trump has a point while als

it is important to them to be students at harvard, but it is important to the harvard community there. the financial basis. there is no legal authority, as part of getting harvard to comply with donald trump's dictatorial project, for him to bully and intimidate and terrorise the students and the courts have already said you cannot do it and there will be another hearing today. the court is going to wrap donald trump's nichols again. it is illegal! given what you have just said the trumpet station has justified this as reading campuses of anti-semitism that we have seen over the last few months. you told our producer that this was in your view a temper tantrum cloaked in ad ministry of language. that's right. this has nothing to do with and high semitism. donald trump just appointed a man who fraternise with anti-semites and hitler impersonator to a senior office in the department of justice! he would not make those kind of appointment if he was really interested in fighting and high semitism. he wants to break trade unions, he wants to break the free press. he wants to break governme

harvard says we are fully committed to maintaining harvard's ability to host international students and scholars who hail from more than 140 countries and enrich the university and this nation immeasurably. so how many students are we talking about here? well, in this academic year alone almost 30% of harvard's student body were made up of international students. some 6793, according to this year's academic record. so the the government is saying that these students must transfer. we are told that they are likely to be able to transfer to another u.s. institution, not necessarily return to their home countries. but of course, this will be one of the many actions of this administration that will be challenged legally. but certainly, once again, a dramatic escalation from the u.s. government against harvard. boris and brianna. >> certainly is. jeff zeleny. thank you. and with us now to discuss is ryan enos, the professor of government at harvard university. he's also a member of harvard's chapter of the american association of university professors, which is currently suing the trump admi

will simply not be harvard any more. and i have so many friends who are absolutely devastated - and i'm also absolutely devastated because it's so many dreams that are just shattered, because we are being used as poker chips right now in a battle between the white house and harvard. everyone has to either make a new plan a and apply to other institutions, or at least have some plan b and mine. there's a lot of uncertainty right now, and people have left for the summer not knowing whether they'll be able to come back or not. and these are people that contribute so much to this country, contribute to this university. it's truly made my

but why is harvard university so important?2023, the american magazine exposed the zionist regime's influence at harvard university in an article. the zionist regime employs 9 or 10 israelis a year in the university's political science department and a plane ticket. it used social media to criticize and embarrass the president of harvard university, who had only been in office for a few months. on the other hand , thanks to the school's easy connections with washington and wall street, the high-income margins of its professors , its large number of donors, the attractiveness of the harvard name and many of the position-holders who are eager to connect. it has made this school dependent on a system that is capable of independent criticism. larry summers's speech was delivered from a bully pulpit , and he used all his political capital to say that what happened at harvard was unacceptable and that the university should not continue on this path, and finally to say that the cloud is doing a very bad job. after summers's remarks ,

. >> harvard has been a disaster. they're taking $5 billion, and i'd rather see that money go to trade schools. and, by the way, they're totally anti-semitic at harvard, as you know. and some others colleges, too, in all fairness to them. and it's been exposed. harvard's got to behave themselves. harvard is treating our country with great disrespect and all they're doing is getting in deeper and deeper and deeper. they've got to behave themselves. >> harvard has to understand, the last thing i want to do is hurt them. they're hurting themselves, but harvard wants to fight, this he want to show how smart they are and they're getting their ass kicked. >> a freeze on foreign students funding cuts investigations launched and threats flying. president trump raising the stakes in his showdown with harvard and taking the elite university head on. welcome back as america reports rolls into a second hour. i'm john roberts in washington, a lot to talk about regarding harvard coming up in the next hour. >> sandra: and not mincin

take a listen. >> without international students. >> harvard is not harvard. >> and you know, we might be the last international class. in a while. when people come back next semester, they might not be. international students left. >> do you have a. >> message for the administration? >> i think that we're calling your. bluff because if we start to give in. >> he's going. >> to. come back. >> and demand. >> even more. >> and harvard. >> has. realized that. >> we have all realized that. >> and that's. >> why we're going. >> to keep fighting. we're not going to give in to any of his demands. >> you heard. >> him say it right there. >> i think we're calling their bluff. that is really the sentiment here. >> that there's. >> actually a sense of pride right now that harvard, an institution that's been here since the 1600s, is going to be here and be able to survive no matter what the trump administration tries to throw at them over the course of the next 3 to 4 years, that doesn't mean they might not suffer, that programs might not take major hits, but they're united in this idea that they'

harvard law school, former an editor of the harvard law review at the harvard law school. know you're a constitutional law professor. what do you see in this attack on harvard? and by the way, i invite you to take note of it from any perspective you bring to it. well. it's pure. >> speech, retaliation. the president essentially tried to take over harvard's curriculum, take over its hiring practices for faculty, and take over student admissions. and when that was too much. >> for. >> harvard and president garber said no. then they decided to unleash this second wave of sanctions against harvard by trying to eliminate all of these contracts that the federal government had entered into with harvard in order to get the value of those contracts. but all of it is speech, discrimination and speech punishment. so it's just a naked assault on the first amendment and on academic freedom, which is protected by the constitution. >> as we go forward. harvard's obviously litigating all of this. they the federal government, said that harvard did not respond to its demands for information

it comes after harvard sued the u.s. government, saying the ban was, quote, clear retaliation for refusing to give in to the administration's policy demands. the white house is pushing harvard and other universities to make changes on campus to root out antisemitism. but its decision this week has left thousands of international students facing so much uncertainty. shreya mishra, a student at harvard business school, talked to me earlier about what she's been going through. >> i didn't. >> know that i'll be allowed to finally leave the campus with the tag of a harvard alum or not. it's been it's been really difficult up to this point because if if it's still uncertain, then it doesn't. i don't know where that leaves me. basically. >> well, shreya, give us some insight into what the university's outreach has been to students impacted by this. do you know what your options are, or have they been spelled out at all? have you had to seek out that information on your own? >> yeah. so i did talk to a few other students in diff

without international students it says harvard is simply not harvard.he second time in a short number of weeks that harvard has found itself facing the trump administration in court. there was legal action last month after the trump administration cut more than $2 billion of its funding. it has been public and pushing back about the attempts to get it to alter its curriculum and hiring practices to fall in line with the views of this government. some people suggest it is exactly that -- this very strong sense of pushback -- that has left harvard in the crosshairs of the trump administration's pressure campaign against many of america's elite institutions, and it is a fight that tests the very limits of government authority and his country's commitment to academic freedom. >> john in cambridge, massachusetts. thank you. the u.n. secretary general on friday renewed warnings of a famine in gaza. he said israel is proposing strict quotas on goods while stopping water purification supplies and other essentials from entering. >> all the aid until now -- a flo

i am looking out for the country and for harvard. i want harvard to do well. i what harvard to be great again, probably. how can it be great when you have harvard announce two weeks ago that they are going to teach remedial mathematics, remedial? they are going to teach low-grade mathematics. like two plus two equals four. how can these people get into harvard if they cannot do basic mathematics? people with 1600 on their boards and they can't get in. they are bragging about how they are teaching basic mathematics. where do these people come from? we have to look at the list. harvard has to understand, the last thing i want to do is hurt them. they are hurting themselves. they are fighting. columbia has been really, they were very bad what they have done, very anti-semitic, and a lot of other things, but they are working with us on finding a solution. they have taken off the hot seat. harvard wants to fight. they want to show how smart they are. they are getting their ass kicked. thanks, guys. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thanks, guys. keep going. >> those w

there are harvard students, and folks and. alumni have dedicated, many of whom have dedicated their lives to upholding the values. and principles and institutions that do, in fact, make america great and have made america great for a long, long time. the fact that this administration chooses to ignore their sacrifice and their contribution, look, that's on donald trump. that's on marco rubio, i guess, for going doing the 180 that he has done. >> i. >> i, i can't explain that. that's for a question for them to try to, to come to grips with, i would say from having spent years on the harvard campus, the idea that harvard business school has become a bastion of marxism and communism would come as a news flash, certainly to me. and i think many students at harvard business school. >> charlie. why wage this war. against academia and the ivy. >> league. >> in particular? president trump. >> hasn't gone after public universities with the same intensity. >> well, he may at. >> some point, you know, this. >> this. >> may be the this ma

let's talk about you just mentioned harvard and the federal cutoff of spending for harvard.ndowment is more than $53 billion alone. that's bigger than a wall street hedge fund. the nearly a dozen ivies have a $283 billion in endowments. government has massively increased spending on grants, student loans and bail-outs for schools. tuition is at four times the rate of inflation and colleges are padding their salaries and administrative staff with the responsible spending while allowing this woke ideology and rampant anti-semitism and bullying of students on campus. the israeli leaders have said that it doesn't go far from words to bullets as you just pointed out so something has to be done to stop it and clean it out for good. >> i agree, and i think that i'm praising president trump for starting at least the dialogue about how to deal with these issues, as usual, when you have a dialogue, it may start by going a little bit too far but i think that what we need to do is have targeted defunding of all, for example, the divinity school and the public health school should be com

what is harvard gearing up for?ring up for. >> a long, protracted battle, but i. >> think. >> you have to go back. and understand where this group came from. >> and this group. >> initially came from harvard. negotiating. harvard won't say negotiating, but harvard having a back and forth with the trump administration before this all went off the rails just a few weeks ago, harvard's lawyers were engaged in listening to the administration about what the administration wanted, and it seemed like the administration was having a more favorable posture to harvard than they were to a school like columbia. and there was this back and forth and on this fateful friday, maybe, i guess, three, three weeks ago now, harvard expected to get a letter from the administration, from the task force, the anti antisemitism task force that laid out what the administration was looking for harvard to do, and they expected that to be the next step in their in their sort of listening to the administration about what they wanted. that letter

so harvard's going to have to change its ways. so are some other. >> well, harvard is, of course, not the only university that's been targeted by the trump administration, or even the only university targeted. yesterday, the department of health and human services accused columbia of violating federal civil rights law by acting with what they call deliberate indifference toward harassment of jewish students on campus since the october 7th attacks. it caps off a very busy week for the president and those in his administration. regards to investigations peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, posted on x a list of those who were, as he wrote, charged, investigated or thened with investigation by trump or his team just in recent days. here is his list. letitia james andrew cuomo, lamonica mciver. democratic member of congress. kamala harris bruce springsteen, beyonce, bono, oprah winfrey, james comey unnamed treasonous biden aides. the city of chicago and the kennedy center. as for harvard, dhs secretary

route of suing harvard in a temporary victory. important harvard university has won a temporary victory in its legal battle with the trump administration. the federal university has issued a court order halting the department of homeland security's measures that would have prevented new international students from enrolling and required existing students to transfer or change their visa status . while the temporary victory has eased some of harvard's international students' concerns , many are wondering whether there is any freedom of speech in a country that considers itself the greatest proponent of free speech . a myth that has been condemned by others for years remains. hello, last week was national population week, an opportunity to visit happy families and hear from mothers who each chose to have more than three children, like this gorgani mother or mothers who were right from the start. with the presence of fatemeh zahra , we found a job , had another child, and the bonds that have deepened with the presence of children. my

go to harvard. that's a whole other. >> conversation. right? >> but, but but but. >> but. >> but but here's the question though is if if you are taking that much money from the government, are you in fact saying the government can have some say so in what it is that you're doing? because anything that we take money from, at some point we have to answer to whoever it is that we're taking money from. and so is there a solution for harvard to just and i don't know the answer to this. i just know my whatsapp was going crazy all day. is there a solution that harvard just says? you know what, government, we're not going to take any money from you. we are truly private. get out. >> well, i mean, that would be that would be the answer. except that harvard takes that money to provide a service, which is research. research which largely by and large, it is it is research. that is what and there are not i think people think that research is happening everywhere all the time. it's not. there are only so many pl

quote, harvard is not harvard. so this suit is very fast moving.he administration is saying that they should be able to do this, because allowing a university to enroll foreign students is a privilege, not a right. the administration is very unhappy with harvard over its allowance of having protests on its campus, things like that. the department of homeland security does have a statement in response to the lawsuit so far. they say this lawsuit seeks to kneecap the president's constitutional vested powers under article two. what that means the president's the president. he should be able to do what he wants here on visas, immigration, even related to this university. harvard, in response, says this retaliatory action threatens serious harm to the harvard community and our country and undermines harvard's academic and research mission. their argument in court is that it's a constitutional encroachment of their ability to decide what their curriculum is and what they do. as a university, this has. just a few minutes ago, i just looked already been as

trump isn't just punishing harvard. he's trying to destroy harvard. and some of the folks i talked to said, if you haven't forbid, have a family member or kid with a, a, an uncommon disease or, heaven forbid, an uncommon form of cancer, the only people doing that kind of research in some instances are folks at nih or harvard. just just talk about what happens if trump makes progress or succeeds in destroying harvard. >> well. >> thanks for having. >> me back, because. >> this is exactly the fight that we're encountering right now. and the administration. >> seems to. >> have a mistake in their minds. they think they're coming against harvard. they're not. they're coming against the system that makes american science the envy of the world. and if. we turn away, as that student said, the best and the brightest, we're going to stop having breakthroughs that that have made our lives a lot better. i think that the kinds of grants that we're seeing terminated are just really emblematic of the kind of work that goes on here, whether it's in basic sciences or

their column looks at the history of donald trump and harvard, the battle between harvard and the administration escalated dramatically on april 14 when the administration froze 2.2 billion dollars in federal funding to harvard after the school said that it would not yield to demands to change its admissions and hiring and governance practices. international students targeted last week. on thursday the department of homeland security terminated harvard's student and exchange visitor certification for allegedly allowing anti-american pro-terrorist foreigners to harass and physically assault individuals on campus. the administrator of the department of homeland security, kristi noem, accused the university of working with the chinese communist party by hosting and training members of the parliament terry group. a federal judge blocking that as of now. but the focus on harvard continues, and donald trump continued on his truth social page yesterday. in addition to the announcement about trade schools and funding, this was his other post. we are still waiting for the foreign student list from harvar

how that applies whether to harvard. i imagine that harvard won't be the last to be in his crosshairs. >> that's right. those foreign students are something of a meal ticket for harvard and other universities. they give scholarships to other students. the foreign students for all universities represent something of a windfall. trump is hitting these universities where they are most vulnerable. >> dana: interesting. you also wrote a piece that i loved. it is called the justices must at long last deal with chronic injunctivitis. what do you mean by that? tell us more. >> well, this is truly getting out of control. we're waiting any day now for a ruling of the supreme court on the use of national or universal injunctions. they keep on coming down, my article talks about, a judge in boston who just the previous month had been reversed by the security on the use of a temporary restraining order to enjoin the administration he is back and this time he is en joining them in terms of downsizing the education department. and what

harvard. find out what a federal judge said about the case and what happens next. also tonight, the president wants iphones to be made in america, or apple will face a 25% tariff, he says. i'll talk to kara swisher about why. either way, you could be paying a lot more. and later, music legend billy joel announces he's suffering from a rare brain disorder. doctor sanjay gupta tonight on what treatment may look like for the rock and roll hall of famer. good evening. we begin tonight as the nation heads into the memorial day weekend with its commander in chief, seemingly not in a solemn or reflective mood, but perhaps a more vengeful one. today in the oval office, the president was asked about his administration's latest attack on harvard university. just yesterday, the department of homeland security announced they were revoking the school's ability to enroll foreign students. >> are you. >> considering stopping other universities besides harvard from accepting foreign? >> well, we're taking a

it's a matter of harvard standing firm. and this president literally engaging in a temper tantrum to the detriment of the country. so we have no other choice. >> do you feel pretty certain that it's harvard now and another university, private or public? next? >> oh, most certainly, most certainly. and all we need do is listen to the president himself. the president has said that we're looking at other universities. and so the point being is we have to ask ourselves if harvard, with the resources it has, is trying this hard at this expense. what about community colleges? what about state universities? you know, i went to a state hbcu, a state college. i went to a private university and ivy league law school, and i went to head start, and we had this president literally going after all kinds of institutions of higher learning and secondary learning in this country. so the issue is it's not this is not a matter of harvard. this is a matter of education. and when it comes to education, that means the well-being of most american

harvard's not in a. >> in. an enviable. >> position here. >> even though they're likely to. >> keep winning. >> they would argue they're in a terrible position and their students are in a terrible position. right. let's go to harvard. antonio, what is the mood on campus today? it is graduation day, after all. should be all celebratory. >> well, you know, the good news is, a lot of the students here are still celebrating. and there is this sort of air of defiance baked into all of that. there is not a single person here who is not aware of the split screen that they're here in the harvard yard, reflecting on the last four or so years of their lives. while there are lawyers in there trying to defend, essentially the rights of other students to come to this campus and, and engage in the same community, everyone that's on everyone's mind at the moment. the reality is, though, that even with this restraining order in place, even if harvard keeps winning, it has destabilized everything. so if you are, say, 17 or 18 y