my book, the invisible spy and his name is ernest cuneo. ernest is somebody i'm going to talk in a moment. but i also wanted to ask a second question. when we speak, just so that everybody understands what we are talking about here, when i say spying, when you think of spy ring and you think of how portrayed in popular culture, what is probably the best known spy in american culture, would anybody an idea about that? that's somebody. yes, sir. dame. oh, bingo. you got it right away. that's good. we didn't i didn't have to give the. thank you so much. it's james bond. and i guess i gave it away a little bit with ian fleming mentioning that he created james bond. but, you know, when we watched those james bond movies in particular that is what is known as covert that actually developed in terms of american espionage fundamentally what is spy. that's what i'm asking here. and what spying about is about is the collection of information fundamentally. that's how it comes about. it's it's very secretive. it's invisible in a sense it should be if i

but it's essentially the story of ernest cuneo. you know, by today's standards, if you look at it and say, you're going to do a book about a guy who deliberately wanted to be anonymous? cuneo realized that being invisible was a key to his power as somebody who was involved with the media. and i'll explain how he was involved with the media. how he was a white house insider, and how he also was involved in espionage, the whole world, the whole development, in many ways the story of american espionage, the very beginning starts with what i'm about to tell you about the story of ernest cuneo. let's start from the very beginning. with ernest cuneo, here he is. ernest cuneo, he's a lad from new jersey who gets to play on the football team at columbia university. another reason i was interested, went to columbia. usually it's an awful football team. so the idea that ernest cuneo became a player that was not only a star at columbia but he also became one of the early members of the nfl. he played for a team called the orange tornados. and

that's ernest cuneo. as a young. i'm going to start there in a second, but i just want to show him it's a little older. there he is on the. that's ernest right in the middle of the book. and that's of ernest. what he looked like during world war two. and later on the cold war. but the other person, there are two other people that are major parts of the story, ian fleming, who becomes very good friends th ernestoolio. and then later on there's a whole group of female spies that are going to talk about who were working as part the churchill spies here at raqqah, rockefeller center. and one of them, ernest junio, winds up having a relationship. and later up getting married to and her name is margaret watson. so those are really the three three major characters in the invisible spy. but it's essentially the story of ernest cuneo. you don't buy today's standards. if you look at it, you said, well, a, you're going to do a book about a guy who deliberately wanted to be anonymous. coolio realized that being invisible was a ke