the second point is, you're famous interview with benazir bhutto. for those listening, she was the former pakistan prime minister, and she was working to return to pakistan. you interviewed her in november of 2007. and in that famous interview, she mentioned that osama bin laden had been killed. in retrospect are hindsight, do you regret not picking that point up? host: thank you, debbie. guest: well, my view of that particular moment was that it was just a slip of the time. in the context of what she was saying at that point, it really made no sense at all, and so i took that to be a slip of the tongue, and she did not mean osama bin laden. but she meant somebody else's name. i knew that that day, and today it is slightly faded. that is why i did not. you are quite right, i did that interview in november with benazir bhutto after the attended assassination on october 18. she announced on the program, on al jazeera english, across the world. then we get an interview tragically, and sadly, on december 27, which was the last interview she ever gave, w

bhutto for those listening she was the former pakistani prime minister, and she was looking to return to pakistan and you interviewed her in november 07 and in that interview now oliver youtube she had mentioned she knew osama bin laden had been killed and in retrospect or hindsight do you regret not picking that point up and running with that? that could have been quite a coup. >> host: thank you, debbie. >> guest: thank you very much, debbie. my view at that moment a was just a slip of the town because in the context what she was saying that point it really made no sense at all and so i took that to be needy have been right or wrong but i took that to be a slip of the town and she didn't mean osama bin laden but she meant somebody else who's name i knew that day and today it's slightly faded, but so that was why i didn't, but you are quite right i did that interview in november with benazir bhutto after the attempted assassination on october 18th and she had announced on the program she was going to run. this was on al jazeera english, frost over the world and then we did an intervi

as a pakistani civil society leader and a close confidant of the late benazir bhutto has said, conditioning aid turns on its head the very rationale for assistance to stabilize pakistan, tone able it to empower it to deal more effectively with security challenges. an approach that treats pakistan from the paradigm of hired help rather than a valued ally is deeply counterproductive. it only reinforces the transactional nature of ties that are so resented by pakistanis. mr. speaker, our overarching goal should and indeed must be, do no harm. unfortunately, the bill before us could hamper rather than help vital u.s. security and strategic objectives regarding pakistan and afghanistan. with that, i yield the balance -- i reserve the balance of our time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california is recognized. mr. berman 13k mr. chairman, i'm pleased to yield two minutes to the -- to my friend from california, the member of the committee, the gentlewoman, barbara lee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized for two minutes. ms. lee: thank you, mr. speaker. first, let m

bhutto's family. >> guest: exactly. and this is why parts of pakistan that have yet to be infected with this taliban problem many ways right for it because you have hundreds of thousands of people living on land for's property very oppressed and downtrodden and the taliban can come in and promised to sort of, you know, give them strength and no longer be willing and disliking the law based on sharia and of the whim of the landlord whether it be in a debate over family. that struck a chord. >> host: based on my own experiences of pakistan often joke, it's only half a joke corruption of pakistan is a bad mix nigeria look like a better meeting but it's not just corruption, there's hypocrisy, too and i know from your book you saw plenty. what used to trouble me in pakistan in a hotel if i wanted a beer i had to literally selling half a dozen different forms and have it delivered to my room where i would drink it secretly looking away from the prior orientation mecca any parties among the elite, the whiskey, preferably johnn

bhutto and the bombing of the hotel in islam abad. b, the pakistan's growth rate grow with nearly 2% of the year with the 172 million residents illeterate. mr. berman: mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will suspend. the gentleman from california, for what purpose do you rise? mr. berman: i ask unanimous consent that the reading be dispensed with. the speaker pro tempore: is there objection? pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from michigan is recognized for five minutes in support of his motion. the gentleman will suspend momentarily. the gentleman from michigan is recognized for five minutes. mr. rogers: thank you, mr. speaker. i commend my friend, mr. berman, for his efforts on this bill. as i do congresswoman ros-lehtinen on her efforts on what i think is the most pressing national security issue we face today. pakistan. and when you look at the troubles that they face and what a unique country it is, they are a nuclear armed sovereign nation that has expressed concerns about the eastern neighbors, the indians. and al