the entries about charlie chaplin i think he hated. i didn't know how young he was. and this was the proof, the evidence that we were becoming the same person because i think otherwise he would have allowed me to have my ground. but, no we were the same person. >> host: right. so,. >> guest: so when he died a passport of me died also. >> host: well, i haven't -- mark freed has done well by you. >> guest: i tell you, poor mark, but we are becoming sort of the same person. when we worked together on images, very, very good letters. >> host: i wanted to talk about a couple themes you develop, revolution and ideology, then talk about religion, but let's start with ideology. you said in an interview i read, i'm strongly influenced by marxism. and i love this -- perhaps i belong to the supersuspicious wing of the marxist movement to the magic wing. i eave hauls had problems with the dogmatic parrots that don't have ideas, only repeat them. i don't want to get into a discussion of the works of marx but who are the marxists that actually have had influence, that you see as y

chaplin in modern times, these kind of images, wal-mart was doing the same thing but with a completely different cast of characters. and with completely different sort of animating idea is in a different geography. i think there has been a lot of marvelous reporting in the business press bank guinness about how it has reshaped economic relationships about the plant, the time of a offshoring phenomenon wherein it wal-mart would be china's sixth largest trading partner if it were an independent country. those kinds of relationships have i think worked their way into public consciousness so it was an easy starting point now. i started looking at it in 2002 as a point where wal-mart for the first time became the largest company on the planet and this was a really signal moment i think that's a lot of people grasped at the time because it was the first time in as a service provider, a place where women in blue smocks asking if i can help do replaced big heavy industry distractive of oil companies, motor companies in this kind of things. and the effect of that seems so far reaching in some o