the members of the committee were shocked to find at the cia had put these mines in the harbors. bill casey so they should not have been surprised because he had mentioned it in a briefing months earlier. it is reminiscent of her current interrogation techniques. essentially, the chief of the cia failed to make mention of of the mining testimony and buried the lead. he did not tell members explicitly what had been going on. there were furious when they found out. garn exploded back at the numbers, alleging that it had broken down along the local party lines. that is what prompted the outburst. host: you used this incident as a launching point to talk about the current discussion over who knew what about the treatment of detainees. a sidebar to your article says that the cia typically gives a 1100 briefings to the members of congress. it seems like congress should be getting all they need to know from the cia, but from your article that is not the case? guest: what happens is that these briefings are mostly mundane matters. sensitive matters happen and closed briefings. concerning

i served in the cia. i never witnessed anything that i would describe as an attempt by the cia to infiltrate media organizations in the united states and unaware of that. i cannot comment on that particular idea. host: there are other aspects to that idea. you see this headline, "i ran cracks down on internet use," a lot of the video -- "iran cracks down on internet use." it gets to the whole twitter part of the story. but media specifically. if the notion is that iran is keeping the foreign media from reporting the story, what does that mean to you? guest: this is clearly a regime in its electoral process that is not fully democratic by western standards. it is a regime of political order in which state-controlled media dominates to a large control the information flow to iranians. it is -- it is becoming harder for the iranian government and other governments around the world to control that information flow to their people given all of these new technologies, the internet, facebook, twitter. it is beco

my first question is, is it now the cia through its request for other substantive comment or through its role and classification review that is holding up the release of this? >> no. no, it's not. though that process might not be complete there are other things that have to be done within the justice department. i met yesterday with the head opr who indicates there are still some things they are working on in the preparation report chiefly in response to the responses that were received, i guess, in early may or so. and they are dealing with that. she is new to the office of professional responsibility. understands the seriousness of this particular report and that's also had an impact on the timing of the release. >> the role of the cia, both in substantive comment and in classification review raises some interesting potential conflict of interests. can you tell me what assurances the department of justice has received from the cia that those who seek to influence the opr report through substantive comment or those who have the effect of delaying the report through classification re

director hagan was in congress testifying the cia had waterboarded three individuals and so when it is in the government's interest to reveal those matters for whatever reason the government is quite forthcoming with that information. if it needs to put it in the public record that it can prosecute or-- one of finds itself in the position of being a defendant in the civil case the same information become secret as a way of avoiding accountability. >> without objection i will graham myself one additional minute. why should the government be required to prove item by item to disclose particular pieces of evidence of national security? wiseness the vision for the court to accept as reasonable the government's assertion that in it expert feel litigation over choir relations state secrets at some point that this missile is justified in the initial planning stage? >> judges are not clairvoyant. judges are not in a position at the beginning of the litigation to determine what evidence will or will not be necessary for the parties to defend their claims before the evidence has been presente

we were able to set up the machine for cia. it barely fit in his nose but at least we were helping his breathing. after that, there was little else to do. i found it hard to relax and went to his room repeatedly to stand quietly next to his mother by her side i watched the undulations of the child's smooth belly. dr. conte eventually returned from his meeting to find me still at cia's bedside. i immediately felt relieved that the ward was back under his capable supervision. and i could return to my safe role as medical student. but still i took my mentor's words to pull me away. not in our hands anymore, he said. with the wisdom of many years. now god will have his way. so that was kind of the transition point of me being totally just in research and trying to be hands off and then coming to terms with the fear, i guess, in the first part -- is coming to terms with the fear of my own mortality with dealing with the lassa virus and then the second portion which i think in many ways was actually harder was coming to terms with th

director hayden was in congress testifying that the cia water beaded three individuals. when it's important to reveal those matters for whatever reason the government is quite forthcoming for that information. if it needs to put it in the public record to prosecute alleged terrorists. when it finds itself to be a defendant in a civil case the same information is secret as a way of avoiding accountability. >> i'll grant myself one additional minute so you can answer one question, mr. wizner. why should the government be required to prove item by item that disclosure of particular

this is the cia at its best. if you think america is not helping them with technology and twitter and everything, you underestimate the cia. lindsay graham and john mccain, i am so relieved that john mccain did not win. if he had run -- there would be a third world war. there are ways that you can impact countries without overtly doing it, and that is what we should be doing and i think the present -- i don't agree with him on a lot of things. mccain really scares me. what would they have us do? send troops there to lose their lives? if people want freedom badly enough, they should be ready to pay the price with their lives. host: james on the line. good morning, as we look at video from youtube from over the weekend. caller: good morning. absolutely a timid response from obama and it is typical of democrats' approach things, they stay on the sidelines and let things happen in front of them. your previous caller had mentioned that no news program is covering this -- of course they are not going to cover it becaus

host: is the cia the largest manufacturer of classified documents? guest: actually not. i believe it is the department of defense because it is larger and because it contains the majority of the u.s. large intelligence agencies. the department of defense is the single largest producer of classified information. host: we're talking about classified information and the release of it. we're also talking about the president's proposal with james joins to review the executive order. magnolia, texas on our independent line. caller: how can the country be so free was so many spies and classified orders? let me give you a scenario. what about all the recruits from al qaeda who came over on 9/11? if you were captured or tortured tell them that we're working we'resaddam over there in iraq and he has -- tell them that we're working with saddam and that he has wmd's. maybe that is why they will not tell us the information. host: was their release of classified -- was there an increase of classified information in the bush administration? guest: yes, by nearly and than 10 million ran

his lawsuit was dismissed on the basis of an affidavit from the cia. the care -- this characterized his case as a state secret. the one place in the world when we're his case could not be discussed was in a court of law in united states. another case in which a company provides services, was dismissed on the basis of a cia affidavit. the obama administration stood behind a bush administration's walk -- broad claim. in april, the court of appeals reversed the dismissal of

, the famous cia long memo just was declassified. it's in one of the intelligence magazines. it's too late to include in the book and the cia -- it wouldn't have mattered if we put it in the book. it was almost verbatim the same arguments about the state department. they were using the same arguments. they believed the bases were threatened. that we need an access to arab oil and arab oil was extremely important. he was a close associate -- i can't think of his name the name of armco and he believed that's who we have to be in contact with. those are the people who will protect american national security and these are the people we have to stand with and that means essentially keeping open access to arab oil as the main thing in terms of american national security and that means opposing any program or effort of the zionists, america's interest lie with the arabs. there was also -- the strange thing, this information strange footnote that we don't really develop enough in the book. there was the argument they brought forward that if

. >> i am curious looking at the book on the cia with the national drug trade and i'm curious to the continuity of your work and you're dead to hamper also two weeks ago there was an e-mail former npr journalist and i do not remember her name but she was billed as the adviser to general mccarron and afghanistan? >> sarich ase? >> yes. one day after hurt interview he was forced to resign and i cannot help but think there was a relation between that interview and his ragged nation? >> i have no idea about that i don't know how the pentagon makes decisions nor did i see the interview. i think sarich case has done a lot of rework and afghanistan but in terms of the rumors of the cia involvement in the drug trade this is something i heard all the time whether the reasons the u.s. was not stopping the drug trade is because of our agents were secretly involved. i even had one governor, no less of a southern afghan province he was not even a bozo. he was fairly serious individual and told me he thought there was a deal between the bin laden family and the bush family to move drugs out of the

. >> i am curious i have been looking at this book with the cia complicity with the national drug trade and i am curious about the continuity of your work and your debt to him. and at two weeks ago there was a former at npr journalist and i do not remember her name. but she was billed as the adviser to general mccarron. >> sayre of chase. >> yes. one day after her interviewed general mccarron was forced to resign i cannot help of wonder there was a relation between that interview and his resignation? >> i have no idea about that. i do not even know how the pentagon makes decisions nor did i see the interview briefing sarich ase has done a lot of great work in southern afghanistan but in terms of the rumor of the cia involvement, this is something i heard all the time over and over one of the reasons the u.s. was not stopping the drug trade was because our agents were secretly involved. i even had a governor, no less than a governor he was not even a bozo he was a very serious individual tell me he thought there was a deal between the bin laden family and the bush family to move drugs ou

as the director of the cia, we try to foster good relations with partners. we had dinner with the deputy secretary of iraq. we had him to our house for dinner. as an air force officer at the time, i could call in the air force band to play music. i asked the director of the air force band if he had a kurdish ensembles. they did not. the university -- i asked if they had a celtic group. they did. we have ended the after-dinner music. then they did an encore. i asked them to play the music from deep background of ken burns' documentary on the civil war. they did it magnificently. he asked about it. he said was hauntingly beautiful. i told him about the civil war. i told him that even though it was a modern song, it has become associated in the american consciousness with our civil war. he leaned forward and ask how many people died in our civil war. i told him we had about 31 million americans within. there are 21 million in iraq now. we lost 21 million people. he kind of stood up in his chair and said "let us pray it does not come to that." that cultural sens

including the cia expected that to take place. this is a dilemma and challenge the white house is facing. do you see what you want to get whether? do you think it is credible enough to seize that moment? as president obama has insisted, given the history of iran-u.s. relations. host: second call from chicago is from gene on the line per independents. welcome. caller: 90% of americans don't know what the usz has done since 1963. this has been festering all of those years. not only iran. the united states has done this in many countries to keep in power the complex and all the republican-type people who are brain washed and said kill, kill, kill, take over the whole world to get resources. another thing, we have no right to tell people not to have a weapon unless we get rid of a weapon ourselves in the same way. also, as far as obama says, he's satisfied with the election, well, it is not his duty to say that. he should keep his mouth shut about it altogether and let the people over there decide what to do. because if some of the ot

nonetheless his case was dismissed on the basis of an affidavit from the cia, the very entity charged with wrongdoing. the characterize the subject matter of mr. l masri's state's ticket and as a result where he-- his ordeal could not be discussed was in the u.s. court of law. a second aclu lawsuit in the rendition program, this one targeting a boeing subsidiary enabling the clandestine transfer to overseas presence where there were torture. was similarly dismissed on the basis of in affidavit alone. as the subcommittee knows when the case reached the ninth circuit court of appeals in february the obama administration in just its third week in office the behind bush administration's broad clemency secrets. in april, the court of appeals reversed the dismissal of the suit holding that the government states the quitclaimed was repenter and overbroad. it held that the government's sweeping theory of state secrets "had no logical limit and amounted to an argument that the did you share should effectively gordon of waldack actions from judicial scrutiny, immunize in the cia and partners fr

recommendations of the cia differently if on the one hand the cia had not assured the department that its recommendations were coming from individuals who had clean hands versus those who did not? is that not an important factor in evaluating the substantive comment. >> those are ones that would take into considerations. so many of this is fact-driven. that's what people will find important. it is fact-driven really and the conclusions one draws from the facts, i guess, can differ but ultimately it'll be the justice department's view that will control based on the facts that we have uncovered. but as i say taking into account whatever other views people have of those same facts. >> thank you, attorney general my time has expired, thank you very much. >> senator klobuchar. >> i was going through some of the cases and the concerns that they had and i think a misplaced argument about politization and as you were talking i was thinking what was the most high profile case you have dismissed, white collar cases since you came into office. what would you say that is. >> i'd probably say it w

i really do not think this is cia-orchestrated. i think at the end of the day, i am at it glad -- i am a big glt glad, because i think ahmadinejad winning this election is going to be good. host: we had a you were telling us about iran taking a hard stance against foreign media. they are restricting all foreign journalists from covering on the street. it blocks images and eye witness descriptions of the protests and violence that has disputed last week postelection. -- last week's election. it comes as foreign reporters began leaving the country new orleans, on a republican line. -- new orleans, on a republican line. caller: -- host: we're talking about the iran elections and what you have to say. caller: i do not think anything is going to change. host: one more call. this is the democrats' line. caller: i am calling to make a comment. most of these people calling

this is from a viewer, "could this be a cia sponsored color revolution? possibly a leftover bush project"? of this is the cover -- this is the cover of "time" magazine. adrian, good morning. caller: all of these people calling in, what is appalling to me is the fact that third-party candidates that ran for president in this country were not able to get their voice. they were not able to participate in the presidential debates. host: thank you for the call. our thanks to "the new york times." they have been able to oppose these photographs on the web site. muriel is next, from hanover, pa.. caller: good morning. our you? host: fun, how are you? -- fine, how are you? caller: i am still surprise that the level of coverage in iran. we have seen more on them and we have seen iraq or afghanistan in eight years. why is the media so interested in one country when these other countries have our men in women dying in them. this one woman cried about someone being killed in iran last week. the numbers for of iraqis and afghanistan these two are being killed are not

instead of going through meetings of collection boards, which you have all been through and which the cia and dia provide in an assay provide four, on a space, we come together and we have found their his men some real analytical breakthroughs in a quite different way than what we have in the past, so i think this business of concentrating on the people, concentrating on information technology to empower them, if we do that good things will happen and we will get better in the future. >> you mentioned north korea and end the sea bed of missiles i think is the way you put it but you have had the missile tests, you have had the nuke test, you had the trial of the journalist. what is your assessment of what they might be up to now? are they testing this new administration? are they trying to risk-- provoke a response of some sort? >> the character of the north korean behavior that we are seeing is a fairly familiar pattern of doing something our wages and then expecting to be paid for stopping doing it, and we have seen that, we have seen that often in the past. i think the actions that they

he served in the late 1980's for the cia as a persian gulf analysts. he joined us and the aftermath of a liberation of kuwait. he is responsible for iraq, iran, and afghanistan policy currently. next, vice-president for policy and an expert on regional security in the least and the central asia and at the russian federation. he has consulted with both the cia and the department of defense and provided assistance on foreign-policy and national- security matters. he is an adjunct professor. he is a member of the committee on the present danger. he is an editor of the journal about security affairs. he most recently finished a book concerning tehran's strategies on confronting the islamic challenge. the next guest has written extensively. he was a research fellow at the congressional research service. he is a member of the committee of present dangers also. he is also on the board of editors of middle east quarterly. i will turn it over to ken. >> thank you. it is good to be back at heritage. i am speaking only in a personal capacity, now reflecting any m

a collaborative relationship existed, and if so, what sources of information did you have that the cia and other agencies did not have? >> the prime information was from george tenet. there was the senate intelligence committee where they talked about the collaborative relationship, code words sometimes that gets wrapped up in this debate, but there was a relationship between al qaeda and iraq which stretched back 10 years. that is not something i made up. that is not something i thought of. that is something the director of central intelligence was telling us. we know for a fact that saddam hussein was a sponsor, a state sponsor, of terror. it was not my judgment. that was the judgment of our state department. we know that, for example, he was making $25,000 payments to families of suicide bombers who would blow themselves up and kill as many as really is as they could. we know that there -- to kill as many israelis as they could. the notion that, say, there was not a collaborative relationship, i do not believe, and i have never seen any evidence, to confirm that he was involved in 9

published a study india and china will be merging powers of the cia just brought it a straight line. but the center we have passed is a century fall of discontinuity. the question i am asking what are the discontinuities that will occur in the 21st century? and equally, what are the forces that create those discontinuities? i guarantee the concrete suggestions i have will sound completely mad and perhaps they are, but they are not intended to me but no more air mad they an understanding this century and 1900. so what are the underlying forces that frame the century? let me begin with the first one which i think is critical which is the end of the population. everywhere in the world birthrates are collapsing. it is projected by the united nations population growth will go 100% in the past 50 years to only 50% by 2015 and by the end of the century, a 10% growth. to replace population, each woman it needs to have 2. one children and in most of europe, that number is 1.5, 1.six, 1.seven, and japan is similar. it is therefore at arithmetically certain that the population of of the leading

the cia fomenting street unrest. what was said yesterday as opposed to saturday statement is that they actually posted the statement on the u.s. white house website is farsi. i talked to the white house about that decision. they said that they wanted iranians to read it themselves. the larger picture is that president obama does not want the united states to become a major element in the debate as long as the ruling clerics a iran say that this is a western- sponsored demonstration, that is one thing, but if it becomes overt and the demonstrators themselves see the united states calling for regime change, a loaded term in that part of the world following the iraq war in becomes more complicated. it answers the united states into something that would complicate the demonstrators' cause. host: guest: let's go to the phones. -- host: but the to the phones. caller: i would like to talk about the history ofiran. we overthrew the government in 1973 by the cia and we install shah was a mass-murder. look at what we have done

mohammed rafiq jepsen iysoo against the private aviation services committee for facilitating the cia rendition to torture of five muslim men and edmonds versus the department judgement whistle-blower suit and the behalf of the fbi translator pfeiffer reporting serious misconduct. mr. west was a law clerk to the honorable stephen reinhardt of the court of appeals for the ninth circuit. is a graduate of harvard college in new york university's school of law and i must say i have the funds for the new york university of lawson's my son is currently a student. i am pleased to welcome all of you. it is no mullite-- each of your reinstatements abed made part of the record in its entirety and i would ask you summarize your testimony in five minutes or less. there is a timing for your table. when one minute remains the light will switch from green to yellow and then to read when the five minutes are up. before we began to discuss-- if you please stand and raise your right hand to take the oath. do you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury the testimony you are about to give is true and co

then president obama released documents over the objection of his own cia director and former cia directors that detailed the specific techniques we use an average enhanced in turkish a program to get information from terrorists. next he suggested he is open to the prosecution of bush administration officials who were involved in the program. finally he refused to release any information about the attacks prevented or the lives that were saved because of the program. when his own director of national intelligence put together a memo for internal distribution about the program, he praised it. he praised the effectiveness of the program and he praised the fact terrorist attacks had been prevented. president obama's white house attitude that in the memo before they released it to the public. today, many weeks later, the president still won't let you, the american people, see the documents that show how effective this program was. last week in this very building, the house intelligence committee took up this issue, and according to news reports, the hill newspaper was one example, following a d

you go down about halfway down it shows that reagan is doing and he is saying is very important with cia, and he tells people what is going to happen and then he suddenly says but i won't make all decisions. and when he said i will make all the decisions it went on for the entire eight years. he was running his own line. he made all the decisions. he listened to these people back and forth, a lot of people argue with them and did not like him, all different kinds of things with their wit and he never wavered. he knew exactly what he was going to do and he stayed with it. he would listen to these experts and had some of the best experts in the world. he would listen to them and sometimes go on the right and left side, but he always 7-up on his side. and what we have discovered material as we go on is that a lot of things that happened, reagan put them all together and i think as this goes around and other people see them is going to make something different because rarely did anyone realize what he was doing. and some of the most amazing things he did what he did in geneva and so on. the

invoked the state secrets privilege including al-massi versus the united states the challenge to the cia, abduction, torture of an innocent german citizen, mohammed jepson a suit against a private aviation company for facilitating the cia's rendition to torture of five muslim men and edmonds versus department of justice a whistle blower retaliation suit on behalf of an fbi translator fired for reporting serious misconduct. he was a law clerk in the court of appeals for the ninth circuit. he's a graduate of harvard college and new york university school of law. i must say have a particular fondness of new york university school of because since my son goes there. i welcome all of you. it is now my -- each of your written statements will be made part of the record in its entirety. i would ask that you summarize your testimony in five minutes or less. to help you stay within that time limited, there's a light at your table when there's one minute it will switch to yellow and red when the five minutes are up. before we begin it's customary for the committee to swear in its witnesses. if you

>> he was the cia as well hammes cia long memo was declassified and is one of the intelligence magazines too late to include in the book and it wouldn't have mattered if we put it in the book. it was almost verbatim, the same argument as the state department. it could have been interchangeably written. they were using the same arguments. parcel believed the bases were threatened and we need access to arab oil and arab oil was extremely important. there was associate and he believed we have to be in contact with those -- americas interest labour but -- misinformation strange footnote we don't develop enough in the book, but there was the argument they had brought forward if the jewish state was created, remember this is the beginning of the cold war, the communist state. and that at one point the spread information that came from the foreign office in the british and they sent a butcher of tignes delete the disinformation that they made up trying to get into palestine actually all filled with kgb or whatever officers who were sent in pretending to be refugees so they would come in, get ci

my compatriots at cia, et cetera. and we dropped the bombs. now, in my specific strikes -- i worked on many hundreds of air strikes, but on the target set in which we were trying to kill saddam hussein it was a very limited target set. we had 50 missions in which we actually dropped munitions on either saddam or another member of them. in the 50 air strikes we had a total sum of zero successes. we didn't get saddam or his sons or the brothers or any of the people on the deck of cards. as we went in the war it was failure after failure. i would estimate about 250 civilians were killed in the air strikes that we did have against saddam hussein. but i truly felt that we did the best job that we could. i then left the pentagon on the 11th of april of 2003. this was days after the statue of saddam fell in baghdad. and in all honesty, a week later, i was standing in a crater in basra in an air strike in which we had targeted chemical ali because of his gassing of the kurds in 1988 and i stood facing this man. he was in his 60s, i guess, maybe older,

then president obama released documents over the objection of his own cia director and four former cia directors that detailed the specific techniques that we use in our enhanced interrogation program to get information from terrorists. next he suggested that he was open to the prosecution of bush administration officials who had been bought in the program. finally, he refused to release any information about the attacks that were prevent or the lives that were saved because of the program. he praised the effectiveness of the program and the fact that the terrorist attacks had been prevented, but his white house edited out that reference in the memo before the release it to the public. today, many weeks later, the president still will not let you, the american people, see the documents that show how effective this program was. last week, in this very building, the house intelligence committee took up this issue. according to news reports, the hill newspaper was one example, following a detailed briefing on the enhanced interrogation program, republican members said they were brief that

information with the normal techniques and further said that these techniques that were veffed by the cia and justified by the bush memos don't work. they do lead to bad intelligence or unusable intelligence. with regard to the latest hearing. if that was part of the hearing, they didn't say. that information to believe to suggest that these don't work. they haven't come out with any new information to suggest that. it is difficult for them because you can't choose the republicans of violating the rules of a closed subcommittee hearing. and then the subcommittee come $out to say, what we know about these is that they don't work. that goes to my next question s. there any indication that rules were broken. >> congresswoman january who chairs the subcommittee who had the hearing has said that that's an issue that may be discussed in terms of sacks she didn't give any idea. other than saying she thought the account ability should be there but didn't -- wasn't specific by what she meapt by that. >> next el on the line. >> thank you for taking my call. this is my question. as you can tell, i h

in fact it was a cia plan the president first embraced to link up with the afghan militias and the northern alliance against the taliban. host: here is cleveland. good morning on the republic mine. caller: i was curious if you were able to determine whether his political philosophy was influenced by having been surrounded by so many people, people strongly influenced by certain philosophers and military strategists who would be considered by conservatives. was he influenced by that group? did you agreed they were corrected? guest: that is an interesting question. his relationship with the neocons is in the bottom part of his time a secretary because he ended up surrounded by a number of very prominent members of the neo-conservative community including his deputy, the chief of policy positions at the pentagon. but he himself is not a neo- conservative. many of his views overlap. they depart -- that is in one critical area which is the notion of spreading democracy around the world. he was always uncomfortable with that notion, particularly as a rationale for going to war against iraq. he ar

we overthrew the government in 1973 by the cia and we install shah was a mass-murder. look at what we have done to those people? what you talk about what is going on ingaza, send all your news people there and to what is happening to those people in gaza. we spent $500 million to destabilize the iranian elections and what you see now with all the cellphone and twitter -- that is where our money when. when will america stop being one big hit agree? i'm sick of these elected officials and so-called expert to get on tv and have no, have no idea of the history of this country and what we have done tuesday iranian people. host: historical perspective can be a big part of this. guest: yes, the caller raises a good point. obama raised couthe question abt that coup. the ayatollah khamenei led a revolution that overthrew the government. that is when hostages were taken in the u.s. embassy. it began 30 years of very antagonistic relations between the u.s. and iran. part of what the caller is frustrated with -- use the word hypocrisy, which i think it's an interesting term, one t

the cia director leon panetta and the headline here, panetta says former vice-president dick cheney's criticism of the administration and their approach to terrorism, almost wishing this country would be attacked again in order to make his point. cheney "smells blood in the water on the issue of national security." caller: i only have one problem with the taxing the health care benefits. it seems i have heard that the uaw will be exempt from that tax. host: is that it? thank you. go ahead. caller: people have bounced around it. i am retired. i paid into my medicare and social security since the 1970's. now they have reduced my medicare benefits. host: is that your provider, medicare? caller: no, i am retired from the post office. i have a better plan now. i had prostate cancer before i turn 65. now, whenever i go to have a psa test i get a form from medicare saying it may not pay for that procedure, it's like i'm going -- blue cross pays for it anyway. government health care -- look at the va. if that doesn't scare you, i don't know what will. what they need to do, is the government s

i am always fascinated by the search for osama bin laden and i will read a book from the former cia agent that was in charge of the unit's searching for bin laden recently wrote an op-ed for "the washington post" that got a lot of attention. have not read any of his books this is called marching toward hell. america and islam after iraq. another one is called your 15 club it is a golfer out how to book and focuses on the mental game and written by a sports psychologist it has taken a few strokes off of my game and i can take all the help i can get. that is what i am checking out this summer. ng of these sessions is not allowed. now, to the matter at hand, our panel -- >> and, in i have to admit to i am a little mystified by bad. with the author's three have today they do not have works this is serving up the gates of the 21st century although paul bridges the 19th and 20th centuries than paul's work and richard has rescind a book that spans the 21st century rather than standing at the gates but with that let me make a recommendation that i will open it to the panel and i will reserve some

amounted to an argument that to that judiciary should cordon off all actions from scrutiny immunizing the cia from the limits of law. . . and confusion in the court. a need for uniform standards and practices is as urgent today. at a press conference today after the ruling, the president obama was asked about his is administration's position on state secrets. he responded, i think that the state secrets doctrine should be modified. searching for ways to redact, to carve out certain cases so that a judge can review information without being in open court, there should be additional tools so that it is not such a blunt instrument. congress should provide those additional tools. >> i will begin the questioning by recognizing myself for five minutes. judge, during the subcommittee in the last congress, your testimony last year as supporting requirements had system -- a substantial way -- wait, the government seeks to withhold as a state secret. is that accurate? do you believe we should recall -- require that the courts grant automatic deference? that is the standard in the senate companion bill,

we certainly approximate the rest of the world, we certainly dominate as an individual country, that cia number was taken off of their web site last year. i gather they got embarrassed that he threats were inflated enough that their numbers were too people need. those are the numbers they displayed last year before they removed it from a website. how do we compare to the so-called bad people? those numbers on the left, $122 billion for china, $70 billion for russia, are probably highly inflated. i have seen numbers for china down to $60 billion. the numbers for russia have gone down significantly recently, allowing to the collapse of oil prices, driving the defense budget in russia, the value of the ruble has been going down significantly, that number today would be significantly lower than is on that chart. nonetheless, you add all of those actors together, and you get a grand total combined of 1 third of our annual defense budget, gives you a sense of the disproportion between what we spend and what others spend. we literally have a set of defense managers who feel they cannot adequate

there are reports suggesting the cia is behind all of this. all are false. it gives you a sense of the narrative that the iranian government is trying to plant. the members of congress have their constitutional duties. i am sure they will carry them out in the way they think is appropriate. i am president of united states, and i will carry of my duties as they are appropriate. >> [unintelligible] >> if you look at the statements that i have made, they have been very consistent. i made a statement on saturday about the violence. in the hothouse of washington, there may be all kinds of stuff going back and forth in terms of republican critics versus the administration. that is not what is relevant to the iranian people. what is relevant to them is are they going to let their voices heard? a lot of them are paying a lot of attention to what is being set on capitol hill and not thinking about what is being said here. they need to focus on how to make sure justice is being served in iran. >> u.f. avoided spelling out consequences twice. -- you have avoided spelli

you can even go back to the 1950's, when the cia be stabilized that country's government. they know that a lot of the stuff that we are hearing in the american papers and around the world is nothing more than a pretense. that is a sovereign state over there. these people know their history, the united states should last country in the face of the earth talking about needing to help these people with you and rights and freedoms when we helped to put the shah of iran in. when we were caught red handed killing those people, he fled the country and came here to live out the last of his life -- rest of his life. that is something to think about. host: another twitter, "i respect you for the u.s. 2000 election analogy. it would have been comical if the iranian government said it was monitoring the u.s. election." dave, republican line. you are on. caller: i want to say that it makes it tough for the united states in a couple of ways. a lot of people do not want to except that iran, that this guy was elected. now it makes it tougher because we have painted him and his country as

she flat out said she was lied to by the cia relative to the harsh interrogation measures. i wondered if she was sort of brought out on this issue because karl rove wrote an opinion piece in the "wall street journal" saying she ways in the loop. she was briefed in december of 2002 and she had the media availability. >> who said this, rove? >> rove said this and reconstructed a timeline that seemed compelling. a good subject for when i'm not micked for c-span maybe. >> always persuaded by anything that karl rove says. >> my view of it for what it's worth, i don't think this is a debate that should have been held in public but the extent it's being held, bring everything out you can. there of memos that speak to the efficacy of waterboarding i would like to read them. >> i agree. i think that other issues -- [inaudible] >> i don't understand -- >> right. >> suck all the air out of the white house when i read it. >> so many things in there that i think that should be investigated. >> very well. you would be interested to know there's a chapter in the book that says all the 9/1

so why iran want our input -- and we probably have the cia working behind the scenes now. wish to leave people alone and let the mark up their own government and of their own way of life -- we should leave people alone. host: belasco as from the republican line in virginia. caller: this reminds me of the tenement square massacre in 1989. before the president george h. bush was cajoling these people to do more to get democracy and the result was the massacre. i agree with mel martinez that it is better to stay out of this and see what happens because it

my counterpart at the cia on a secure phone, talking to her about why are we doing this ps? there was discussion, but it was never over. >> please describe your relationship with the international court of justice an international criminal court. have you ever provided in the security? >> you are looking at my security. the human rights watch was an organization, a real hallmark of our work. we have people that work closely with the icc, not only that, but other bodies, such as the icpy. we have people who have testified. at times, we are called upon to testify as witnesses, and to bring evidence before the world court. >> why did the usa performed so badly in organization of iraq in your opinion? them if i can put you all to a fine film called "no end in sight." it wasn't a cut -- academy award film, sadly, it did not win. it does a fine job of going through what the occupation failed, and why the insurgency came to be. it points to some decisions that were made, such as expanding the army, the failure to have security from the beginning, to have enough forces on the ground

regime, it even within the communism, that i must say i foresaw long before important people in the cia foresaw at all. but we must understand we live in a world where it is not little wisdom that rules things, but enormous institutionalized stupidity. so it was no great prophecy of my part to have saw decades before 1989 that the soviet union was going to fall apart. but it involved me personally because i never expected that. you know, i love english-language. i like in english. i think in english. i even dream in english which is extraordinary in some ways. but since 1989, every year a new book of mine is published in hungary. translated into hungarian. even though these books of mine, 14 books, 15 books of mine translated there, and only one of them is in my native country. so every year i go there, national book week, don't misunderstand me, there's a little money in it but very little. so it barely pays my hotel bill, but still i have never expected this to happen. so my life changed. my life is change in other ways also. my writing career became to some extent successful and so f

as you go into the agency in the marble hall that has become the iconic image of the cia, off to the left there is a quotation from the scriptures of saint john. "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." that is your task. i envy your future. thank you very much. [applause] >> we have a programming note for you. david simon will talk about journalism and his work in television, including his series "the wire." live coverage begins at 2:00 p.m. on average companion network. tonight, dennis blair will discuss his recent trip. we will have live coverage of his speeches at 8:30 p.m., also on c-span 2. >> authors and journalists who cover the white house on the constitutional roles of the president and congress, including the relationship between the branches of government. this is hosted by washington & lee university. it runs about one hour and 45 minutes. >> i hope you are enjoying your meal. i think it is time to start the program. i will do that with great pleasure by introducing professor connally. he has been with us since 1986. he has a ph.d. in american gover