we sponsored the war in el salvador, in nicaragua. these were useless exercise is because now both of the parties that we intervened against are in power -- the revolutionary party in el salvador and daniel ortega in nicaragua. i think that the history of u.s. intervention in central america has been a sorry one, and we recently at least been on the side of democracy. i wish that we would put less emphasis on military assistance and more emphasis on helping them with public administration and economic and social development. host: this came just a day after -- it took place yesterday with the president of colombia in the oval office. our relations with the president's colombia, uribe? guest: the bush administration overlooked a lot of offenses that the uribe government has committed against human rights. now, uribe did something very important in colombia. he restored order. and that was crucial. governments have to have order, countries have to have ordered. but now he has violated human rights and a most egregious way, and we hope t

you could put all of el salvador in one province of honduras. honduras is a large country and relatively -- not over populated. so there is absolutely no reason why honduras' wouldn't be an economically viable country. host: pomelo from florida. good morning. -- pablo. caller: good morning. i need to take you to task concerning or rebate -- rebate. you know the situation he inherited was utter chaos. has he made mistakes? certainly. but i just don't think it is fair to lump uribe basically along with chavez. uribe eventually it will leave power but chavez, ortega, and this guy in honduras and others, they are not going to leave. they are going to try to change the constitution. basically they want to be jr. feel castro -- jr. fidel castro s. guest: the caller has the ability to see in the future, which i did not possess, but it is certainly true alvaro uribe -- and i gave some credit for bringing order out of chaos, but he has amended the constitution in order to perpetuate himself and power. and that democracy cannot depend on one person. the w

and implies an empty 320 back to united states after having it repaired in el salvador, or inspected or maintained. my guess is that's probably another issue of dollars and cents. let me go back to just a moment ago on icing. i just pulled the transcript again. this copilots that i have never seen icing conditions. i have never deiced. i have never deiced. i have never experienced any of that. i don't want to have to experience that, make those kind of call. i freaked out, i haven't seen this much ice and thought oh, my gosh, we're going to crash. the actual transcript is of a copilot that appears to me to have at minimum training in icing conditions. now, the reason i mention this is because the training issue has been on the table here. what kind of training does someone have in that cockpit to fly in the conditions into which the airline is headed. if they are headed to buffalo, new york, in the winter one would expect you would encounter icing conditions of some sort. i come from the state of north dakota. i learned to fly many, many years ago, and i've been on airplanes, small a

salvador for example, versus outsourcing or contract and maintenance in detroit or chicago? >> there are a number of factors that go into the faa inspection of repair stations wherever they are located, sir, whether in the united states or overseas. if it's a certificated repair stations, faa has deep wide latitude to go in and expect. if it is non-certificated companies may still use it. faa might still inspect but they won't be by inspectors dedicated to the inspection of the facility or it will be by inspectors following airlines use of the facility and they will follow the aircraft into the repair facility in order to do their inspections as well. it results in a tenuous inspection trail if you work. the conclusion of my office over the years has been the key point is not where the outsource maintenance is conducted with the is in the u.s. or overseas or not even whether it is certificate or non-certificate, but the quality of faa oversight over the process. >> i am going to ask more about that at some other location. let me talk just a minute with this issue of fatigue

to el salvador to do the maintenance and then fly it back after it did the maintenance. can you tell me what the equivalent standards are or if the standards are equivalent in terms of the faa's ability to inspect a maintenance station in el salvador, for example, versus outsourcing or contracting maintenance in detroit or chicago? >> there are a number of factors that go into faa's inspection of repair stations wherever they're located, sir, whether in the united states or overseas. if it's a certificated repair station, faa has much wider latitude in order to go in and inspect. if it's noncertificated, companies may still use it. faa may still inspect but it won't be by inspectors dedicated to the inspection of that facility. rather, it will be by inspectors who are following airlines' use of that facility and they'll follow the aircraft into the repair facility in order to do their inspections as well. it results in a more tenuous inspection trail if you will sir. the conclusion of my office has been really the key point is not where the outsource maintenance -- where

el salvador has said, we need some help, weapons, ammunition, and training. we are providing that. we will provide the mandhir, we do not want yours. -- we will provide the manpower. we do not want your, he said. >> we have had some high-powered guests on the state. what does it feel like to take this show to the white house? >> you cannot get any bigger than that. that was before my time a little bit. i had been doing it for 23 years. he is answering a hypothetical question. we were amazed. i am sure when they saw it on cbs that evening, we got some attention. >> the president did not need an invitation to get on close-up. set up the next clip. >> i remember this program. this is very memorable. c-span went on the air in 79. reagan becomes president in 1980. this was all new. there was no cable in washington, d.c. later after this encounter, the founder of c-span, and the founder of "close-up" talked about this. they got a surprise caller from the white house. one person was screening the calls. she gets a call that says, please hold for the president of united states. she thinks

i came from el salvador and i didn't speak english, and i enrolled in high school and graduated. and i woulleave my house and come back in the middle of the night. i would do my homework on the train and bus. and i enrolled in this excellent program to give me the opportunity to achieve in america. and i have a beautiful daughter, she's driving my crazy, she's only 16 months. i don't know, after she was born, i totally changed. i became more mature. before she was born, everything was me and my fiance. and now when i go to the stores, i see clothes and books. and that's what i see everywhere i go. i believe that being a father is a good thing and i am proud to be a father. i am really proud. [applause] all i can say to give you advice, if you have children, please dedicate time to them. that's the most beautiful thing for a man to be a father. thank you. [applause] >> thank you. thank you juan carlos. next, let's hear from eton thomas. he plays basketball for the washington wizards, but more importantly, he's active in his community and a wonderful dad. come up here. >> it's defi

salvador. my guess is, it is probably another issue of dollars and cents. let me go back to icing. this co but said, i have never seen icing conditions, i have never deiced. i have never experienced any of that. i did not want to have to experience that and make those kind of calls. the actual transcript as a co- pilot that appears to me to have had a minimum training in these conditions. the reason i mention this is because the training issue has been on the table here. what kind of training does someone have in the cockpit to fly under the conditions into which the airplane is headed. --? one would expect to encounter icing conditions of some sort. i learned to fly many years ago. i have been on airplanes with a lot of build up on the wings and watching it with flashlights. i have flown with pilots and others. it is an important question. how much training exist before someone is put in the cockpit for the specific kind of conditions they are likely to encounter? i want to ask about this issu

the president of el salvador has said that he needs help with weapons and ammunition but they need training. we're providing that for them. we will provide the manpower. that is what he says. yours is a hypothetical question and mine is a hypothetical answer. you have to be something that we saw as a threat to our security and our safety and we would defend ourself. -- set ourselves. >> what does it feel like to take the show to the white house? >> you cannot get any better than that. when that is going on, it was before my time, i have been doing it for 23 years, you know that the staff is in all that he is answering hypothetical question. when i saw on dan rather that evening, we got some attention. >> the president did not need an invitation to get on close up. set up our next ronald reagan clip. >> i am not sure i remember this program. this is memorable. you have to remember that cspan went on the air in 1979. ronald reagan became president in 1980. this is all very new. there was no cable in washington, d.c. later in the evening, after this account with students, the founder of cspan

to el salvador to do the maintenance and fly an and c-span.org 20 back. the terms and order contracts and maintenance in detroit or chicago. >> there are a number of factors that go into faa inspection of repair stations wherever they are located, sir, whether in the united states or overseas. if it is a certificate repair station faa has much wider latitude in order to go in and inspect. if it is not cert companies may still use it. faa may still inspect, but it won't be by inspectors dedicated to the inspection of that facility. rather it will be by inspectors who are calling airlines use of that facility, and they will follow the aircraft into that repair facility in order to do their inspections. it results in no more tenuous inspection trail, if you go, sir. the conclusion of my office over the years has been really that the key point is not where the of source maintenance -- where the bandits is conducted, whether it's in the u.s. or overseas. but the quality of faa oversight over the process. >> i am, perhaps, going to ask you more about that at so

salvador and guatemala and nicaragua. can you take as to what happens there because i think we knew that counterbalance, one of the strains of the book is how you handle both sides but i think the stores might be really interested to know what the international side of the story is and the christian free enterprise. >> guest: the central american story was on a completely surprised me when it came upon a and again this was a philanthropic outrage of the walton family, the founding family of wal-mart. where during the early and mid-80's when it jeanne kirkpatrick was telling us as central america was the most important place on earth because of their communism was facing down free enterprise right in america's backyard as people said of the time and the waltons got interested in this. they have business connections in panama and travel to the area. he. >> and set up a scholarship program. to bring young people from central america that they were afraid or in danger of being won over to come as some up to arkansas to study

in very difficult north korea and averitt and sri lanka during of the war and ethiopia and yemen and el salvador never to be like anyone going back and forth between these places good preparation and champion of peace. i always wondered what the sun usually nuclear site man might have to offer to those places to help release them from their seemingly intractable cycles of violence and i should say at this point that i am not a buddhist. i don't speak tibetan so i can't follow the dalai lama when he is at his most forceful and articulate and i do spend a lot of time in a monastery but i wouldn't presume to talk about his monastic life. but one thing that struck me was on like of course any dalai lama in history he spends a lot of his time in rooms like this, the national cathedral. certainly he spends a lot of his life talking to people like us who may have no interest in buddhism and no interest ever in acquiring a knowledge of buddhism and i think that almost as a doctor of the mind, and like any doctor, he sits on this very intricate and technical body of knowledge and like any doctor