joseph mccarthy, george wallace, david duke has a burst, in louisiana, was a demagogue. and in history, when i talk about -- is beneficial, paradoxically you can have a demagogue, they test establish rules. if the rules are on just a, there's a chapter of british history where a demagogue was used as a term of praise. some demagogues' offer something. they can do good. most of the time, the term accurately is negative for harsh. >> since you brought it up, what is an example of a good demagogue and why? >> the head of solidarity in poland when they were overturning the regime, the soviet regime, that was the beneficial demagogue, boris yeltsin in russia, a beneficial demagogue. there are a paradoxes, qe long was a dangerous figure in american politics but he paved highways, built public hospitals, public schools. his relationship to the people was routed on his boundless willingness to manipulate them for his own benefit but also in doing good things for thousands of people. >> the fight to save democracy from its worst enemies, the subtitle of your book, who is fighting

mccarthy, a george wallace, there have been david duke even in his little burst in louisiana was a demagogue. and there have also been in history when i talk about this beneficial, paradoxically you can have a demagogue if the definition is a test to establish rules but if they are unjust. there is a chapter of british history where demagogue was used as a term of praise. you have some demagogues offer something to the people and they can do good. of most of the time the term accurately is a negative or harsh for somebody who really does threaten the system that we hold dear. >> so what is the example of a good demagogue and why? >> the head of solidarity in poland when they were overturning the regime, the soviet regime it was a beneficial demagogue, boris yeltsin at the beginning was beneficial. then you had there are the paradox, huey long was a very dangerous figure in american politics but also did paved highways and build hospitals and build schools and give textbooks so is rooted on his own ambition and his boundless willingness to manipulate that for his own benefit but also been doi

mccarthy, george wallace, david duke even with his little burst and louisiana was a demagogue. and there also have been in history when i talk about is the paradoxical eight you can have a demagogue if the definition is they cast aside the rules of they are unjust. there is a chapter of british history were demagogue was used as a term of praise. so you have some demagogues offer something to people and they can do good in a paradox way but most of the time the term accurately is a negative or a harsh of some way that does threaten. >> host: what is an example of a good demagogue and why? >> guest: the woman in charge of solidarity apple went that was a beneficial boris yeltsin in russia was beneficial, then there is a paradox huey long was a very dangerous figure in american politics but he also paved highways and build public hospitals and build schools and gave textbooks of his relationship was routed on his own ambition and his boundless willingness to manipulate them for his own benefit but also rooted in doing good things for thousands of people. >> host: the fight to sav