ambrosio, mr. stenzel, ms. bailey, you don't object in general to the concept of trees ability comment do you? >> no. >> no. >> no with. >> in fact, in your testimony, you recommended for the secretary be allowed to build systems on information gathered and not be mandated to develop a specific type of system. correct? and ms. bailey endorse testimony, written testimony you talk route the concept of brokers and distributors and ingredients the ingredients to get the trace ability correct? mr. stenzel to produce industry in this country i should not say this you were the ones that gave me courage to believe we could do trace ability because you are doing such a great job. i want to commend do the issue as i heard in all of your testimony today is concerned with the specific language of section seven of the committee draft is that accurate? >> that is right. >> and i just want, you talk in your verbal testimony today about the two may recall and talking about mandatory vs. voluntary recall but that made me think

mr. ambrosio. >> no and mr. stensell? >> no, ma'am. >> mr. ambrosio, you in your testimony, recommended that the it be based on information gathered and not be mandated to develop a certain type of system prior to those efforts; correct? and ms. bailey, in your testimony, your written testimony, you talked about the concept of including intermediate distributors and brokers in the labelling of bulk ingredients, so that we could get the traceability and -- i've got to say the produce industry in this country has -- was really -- maybe i shouldn't say this in front of everybody else but you folks were the ones who gave me courage to believe that we could do traceability. because you're doing such a great job. so i want to commend you. i guess -- i guess the issue as i heard in all of your testimony today is some concerns with the specific language of section 7 of the committee draft. would that be accurate to say, miss bailey? >> that's right. >> and i just want to -- you know, you talk in your verbal testimony today about the tomato recall and

>> mr. ambrosio? >> it is vague. >> yes. it is paid. >> actually these acts are important to protect us against swine flu, bios terrorism, so if in fact, these acts, if you understand the relationship between the food drug cosmetic act and legal statutes i think the language maybe appropriate. >> maybe but it may not. >> like i am a physician and not all lawyers. >> neither am i but i will pretend to be one. >> my tendency is to err on the side of protecting the public health but i agree. >> my tendency is to question the legal language of the law may harmful swept eight language of the law is very important i have found. interesting things can be done. >> it is also a general standard and i do suggest an area to look at. >> mr. stenzel section 104 which calls for the secretary to issue regulations on produce safety standard language says the standard may include nonstandard for safety. this is a lot of the language stuff that i have been focusing on today why would we want the agency to issue minimum standards instead of th

on my left is missile -- mr. michael ambrosio from a. representing the food marketing quality assurance issue. next we have a ms. pamela bailey who is president and chief executive officer of the grocery manufacturers association, and then we have met miss caroline smith dewaal, who is the safe food coalition food safety director of the center for science in the public interest. dr. tim jones who was the state of pd -- epidemiologist from the tennessee department of health, and last is mr. thomas stenzel who is president and ceo of united fresh produce association. well, you know it is five minutes and obviously your staymans become part of the record if you -- if you want to include material more than a five minutes, and we all heard before, i know some of you wondered if you could meet the deadline, but since we do intend to go to market next week i agreed with what -- you brought it up -- mr. shimkus said it will give you any additional written timon and we like them back by monday at the end. so we will start with michael ambrosio. t