. >> i think all these things have a certain quality of the perils of pauline, you know, sort of the ominous music playing in the background. and then finally ultimately a happy ending. and i think we will get you a happy ending on health care and energy. i think regulatory reform also will come good. but these are problems the country needs to address. these are problems we need to solve. these are not optional exercises. these are not, you know, things we are tackling just because they are good sport or good fun. and i think that necessity of addressing them is going to ultimately compel action. >> getting back to the cards, how can progressive activists who are lobbyist for workers rights, universal health care and the like persuade the administration to treat lobby is no different than other representatives and leaders of the organization when it comes to government employment and policy engagement? can we at least make it a station between lobbyist for nonprofits and lobbyist for commercial? [laughter] >> spencer, do you want to go after that when? >> well, you know, i worked a