sandy alomar jr. said, and when the mets were many, he said dennis martinez said give me a shoulder, give me a knee, give me a target. rook. and this was a veteran pitcher. >> bob: a breaking ball that got right in on dunn's trademark. >> rob: and it is difficult, too. today, jim, because so many guys do that little peripheral peek back to see location. they're trying to pick apart, especially a rookie catcher, where he is sitting --setting up. is he setting up too early inside, outside? but always want the glove up there as quickly as possible, just to, you know, get a feel for where i'm going to be visualizing this breaking ball, back door, inside, whatever. >> jim: yeah. and last at-bat i was watching not only the nationals and the red sox, but off of the orioles and the marlins and i was watching varitek, another switch hitter and he givetarget early, kind of relaxes and then it comes up right then when you're looking. i think this is a work in progress and why would anyone, i don't care how highl