you look at states like california. the $12 billion every year. what is going to happen if we go to 300 million people? this is going to be too much government. >>guest: i think the caller had hit on one of the classic debates. what will the role of government be? he talks about both sides saying they want to squeeze that out of the system. if you have 47 million people uninsured how'd you get them covered? he went over the groups. there is general consensus that we all pay the cost. if you get the uninjured covered that should help lower health insurance cost for those who are covered. small business has been waning in. small business person calling in. large employers. i think we're trying to have of real struggle. already starting between the community. >>host: let's good to our next call. doris from chicago, illinois. >>caller: thank you. a statement about health care. it is interesting that the republicans have a problem with the government is standing between a person and their doctors except when it comes for a pregnant woman and her doctor

and i think coming from a state like california witches of the largest agricultural producer in the country, we ignore food safety at our peril. the vice chairman, diana, was chronicling some of the recent outbreaks and how important it is two have traceability and mandatory recall, i agree, and they could have saved a lot of pain, a lot of cost and a lot of health problems had had those measures in place so i just want to include by saying that we have an able and willing partner facing us this morning. and i think we have an able and willing committee on a bipartisan basis to engage with her and i'm very eager to see us make progress and in that legislation close to the committee draft as soon as possible. its international interest and surely as we talk about grandchildren it is in our grandchildren's interests, i yield back the balance of my time. >> thank-you. the gentlewoman from tennessee, mr. blackburn. >> thank you mr. chairman and i want to well, dr. tim jones who is going to be on our second panel. he is hiding over. the back. you must be one of the baptists from tennessee, sitti

like california. i think the relationship that we have with them -- but that's not all in line with u.s. foreign policy on every issue. is a respectful policy. they are an important partner. that is the model we want. partnership -- the united states does not dictate how they should view their own interests. we have achieved a great corporation. i will be looking at the president giving us further and advise in times of how we can take our relationship there and expand it to our relationships throughout latin america. >> about less and american countries giving you land -- about latin american countries giving you a hand. >> the same is true in brazil. the president that came in there as a different political orientation than others greenback he was perceived as a strong no. leftist. in is a very practical person as it turned out. he has instituted also it's a smart market reforms that make brazil prosper. the united states has a good working relationship with them. that points the way for other count

governments like california. so i think the relationship that we have with chile, which by the way does not fall in line with the u.s. foreign policy on every single issue. but it's a respectful policy. chile is an important partner. i think that's the model that we want. partnership, the united states doesn't dictate how chile should view its own interests, but, in fact, we have achieved great cooperation. and i will be looking at president bachelet at getting us to further advice in terms of how we can take the kind of relationship we have with chile and expand that to our relationships throughout latin america. >> not only about chile, but latin american countries, giving you a hand against less democratic countries. >> the point is that i think chile is leading by example. so i am using chile as an example. whether the same is true in brazil, for example. their president came in and he has a great different political organization that most americans. he came up through the trade union movement. he was perceiv

governments like california. so i think the relationship that we have with chile -- which, by the way does not fall in line with u.s. foreign policy on every single issue, but it's a respectful policy. chile is an important partner. that's the model we want. partnership. the united states doesn't dictate how chile should view its own interests, but we have achieved great cooperation. and i will be looking at the president of chile giving us further advice how to take the kind of relationship we have with chile and expand it with our partnerships throughout latin america. >> about latin american countries, giving your hand on less democratic countries. >> the point is is that chile is leading by example. the president of brazil has come in and he has a different political orientation than most americans do. he came up through the trade union movement. he was perceived as a strong leftist. it turns out he was a very practical person who, although maintains relationships across the political spectrum in latin americ

california looks like a southern state. there is a world difference driven largely by a handful of extraordinarily good academic medical centers that are in urban areas. that is not automatically the case that urban hospitals outperform rural hospitals. in general, you also see gradients aligned in ways we don't understand. there appears to be some linkage of quality. we can have a separate conversation about what quality i have in mind. we have highly effective care that is very cheap including flu shots, medicare beneficiaries, mammograms. if you look at those measures of quality, it also appears to be the case that areas of the united states that have greater specialists relative to generalists, in an absolute sense, the composition of the physician work force is biased towards specialists. those are the areas that do poorly in terms of delivering high-quality care. how does it line up? there's something about the physician work force, even given specialists may be better treating a particular condition, it is possible t

look at amtrak, the post office that runs in - deficit every year, look at states like new york, illinois, california, $12 billion every year of fraud. what will happen to all of the fraud if it goes to 300 million people we are trying to ensure. this is too much government. callerguest: what is the role of government? we talk about waste, fraud and abuse. part of this debate has been if you have $47 million -- 47 million people uninsured, we all pay the cost of the uninsured. small business has been weighing in and are very concerned about employer mandates. large employers do not want the employer mandate. we will have a real struggle between the business community, the policymakers on health care reform. host: next call, from chicago. caller: it is interesting that the republicans have a problem with the government, except when they have a pregnant woman. anyway, there was a hearing of three of the largest health-care insurers. they were investigating the cancellation of all these policies, and investigation by the subcommittee on investigations showed that health insurance well point,

for the purpose of this analysis, california looks like a southern state. its

this bill is nothing more than the economic colonization of the heartland by the coastal states like new york and california. the one thing i will tell you, it is not about energy but confiscation of wealth. vote no to protect our children's future. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from new york. mr. rangel: i would like to inquire. we have one speaker, and it would be me to conclude. i would like to see whether the other side s more than one speaker. mr. camp: we have five speakers remaining. mr. rangel: i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new york reserves. the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: i yield one minute to the distinguished member of the ways and means committee, the gentleman from texas, mr. brady. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. brady: i have young children so the environment is important to me, but i question the benefits of this bill and the devastating costs. this bill won't impact the natural cycle of the earth's temperature. it will cost texas families

and the one area where democrats and republicans agree is that given the california like every other state does not print money, unlike the federal government, as long as we have deficits we will always have these its theological debates between taxes and spending. in the long run there's only one way out. that is to create a high-wage economy. it is the only way to create real opportunity and it sustain the tax base. a job that we count ought to be a job that pays at least a middle-class wage, provides health insurance for workers and families and provides some form of retirement security. that is the way that we build a middle-class and fund public services over the long run. host: this story is from "the los angeles *" with schwarzenegger saying he is open to the idea of a flat tax. guest: it ought to be looked at. we want to look at the number of tax deductions and loopholes that exist in our current system. those are expenditures just like funding for education or health care or for public safety. we want to have a real debate this year about whether or not on a tax expenditure

the problems faced by places like california. . . an issue at the state level. but it's going to be a national issue and should be. when you look on one side of tobacco, their illnesses kill 400,000 a year, more than vehiclular accidents, cocaine and alcohol, combined. it's far away the largest call of preventable death in this country. compared to which marijuana looks rev lent lyly benign. ly -- relevant benign. and more than a decade ago "national review" said that the drug war is lost. and that's dealing with the drug problem on the demand side. and we have to deal with demand. and marijuana is not cocaine in its effects and social cost and all the rest. i think what the caller raised is interestingly in the next five years a discussable issue. host: the hearings got underway on capitol hill on the health care issue. and last sunday you were talking about health care, and i saw some commentary on blogs. and i thought i would show it to people that didn't hear your points. here it is. >> the president trying to maintain above the

when states like that want that revenue, what ultimately could that do for your business? >> well, it could hurt us and it would hurt the people in those states that start paying tax on products they're not paying on now. >> when you - do you come to washington to lobby and talk to folks about it. >> i'm not real popular for other reasons on capital hill. i have folks that come and lobby but actually, we haven't jumped into that issue too much but we've made our position clear. we're lobbying on other wall street issues but on that, we've made it clear. you want me to hit that? in 1992. supreme court. quill verses north dakota decided it was own rouse to ask catalog companies to pay tax on those out of state sales. just the 7,000 tax jurisdictions in america. in kentucky, cotton candy is taxes as candy in ohio it's taxed as food. there's no way for us to know the tax rates on every product in 7,000 places for that reason it's impossible for them to tax. however they're talking about getting around that by creating database updated and then they would argue that knocks down

if you want to do it poorly, you do like the state of new jersey which has almost no reforms and has now boosted the average cost of care to $6,000 per person. if you want to do it in a much better way, do it like california where insurance pools are larger. there, you have reduced the cost by almost $5,000 per patient. what we would be doing in our tuesday group reform bill is backing the kind of reforms that have lowered the cost in california over what is happening in new jersey. i am also worried about how to pay for the system. having just come back from china, we're worried about overall deficit spending by the united states. we're worried about one part of the federal government by one -- and buying another part of the federal government. when you're looking at an overall weakening of the dollar, i think there is great fear in additional spending by the congress. the question that i would ask is, with the federal government -- with the federal government already $1.80 trillion in debt, which you want to put an institution that is in charge of your family's healthcare out of mo

the only comment i would like to make this morning concerning our financial situation is the state of california. the only difference between california and as we go into the next few weeks and months is the state of california does not have a printing press. i think c-span will be doing stories in the next few weeks about a collapse of the california economy i think once research has been done and the crying towels are put down, we will look at what has been going on to the state of california and the liberal thinking in sacramento. guest: what can you tell us -- host: what can you tell us about california? guest: i am not a republican. there are a lot of structural problems that have emerged. the u.s. economy right -- one of the things that concerns me is the obama administration's commitment with municipal governments. during the recession, the stimulus package was increasing in state and local governments -- the notion that they need special assistance is false. the basic problem is that a lot of our state and local governments have been profiting from increases in their tax base

>> for one minute to remember the committee from the golden state to california. one minute. >> i rise and strong opposition to the global tax bill that is on the floor today. we do not have to look any for the then california to see environmental alarmists and at its worst. california has adopted its own renewable energy standard and carbon cap and trade scheme. it is killing business in california and driving people out to the state in record numbers. agricultural communities will be most affected by this bill, forcing local producers to pay more for send, equipment, and other supplies. if you like getting your oil from hugo chavez, you are going to love getting breakfast, lunch, and a dinner for him to. we are truly interested. we should preserve a robust economy and of the free market to continue to produce a viable and efficiencies and clean energy technology. i urge my colleagues to do something good for the economy and the environment and put this bill where it belongs, in the recycle bin. >> i would like to yield to two minutes. >> i have to to non-members

california was and then they found out they have something like 300,000 people that make some income from this from this business and they rea liez they passed it. they'd have 300 thousands that would start taking paychecks from firms so they pulled it. >> independent line. mark? >> how are you? >> well, i think this is an essence a mission by the politicians that they really don't want to live within their means or within a budget that doesn't expand every year. and i think ro nold reagan said it best. you used word friction less, that when if it moves, taxes and keeps moving regulate it and if it stops, subsidize it. thank you guys and have a good day. >> well - that guy will go places. we have a comment from twitter. somebody says the delivery companies use the local roads and ups et cetera. >> well, the delivery company should be taxed rather than the internet companies. that would be an argument. my guess is that they don't use for the same amount of goods. i wonder if they use the road as much as the 18-wheelers pulling up to the back of a target and customers who are driving i

i'd like to put in the record with no objection, a letter from california berkeley, a letter describing the reason and the appropriateness in of expanding new tradition lines, if i can put that in the record. >> with no objection, it will be included. >> chairman wellinghof i wanted you to expand on your thoughts on how ferc could implement, if it does receive back-stop sighting approval, how it could implement a greenhouse gas performance interconnection standard for new transmission and/or some criteria associated with compliance or fulfillment of the nation's renewable energy goals. several of the other witnesses made reference of something in that nature. could you tell us how that could work even though we've heard the physical explanation that electron is an electron is an electron. how could this function? thank you, congressman inslee. well, first of all we would initiate a rule-making and as part of that all stakeholders would have an opportunity to provide any proposals as to how to implement such a greenhouse gas performance standard. but in doing so, there's a couple of ways

california have. thank you. guest: it's going to be an issue soon. it'll be an issue particularly at the state level, the medical use of marijuana and the rest. it's going to be a national issue and should be. when you look on the one side of tobacco, it kills, what, tobacco related illnesses kill 400,000 americans a year, more than vehicular accidents, cocaine, heroin, alcohol, all kinds of things, combined. it's just far and away the largest cause of preventable death in this country, tobacco is. . we have to find something to do besides interdiction, that is fighting the drug problem on the demand side. we have to make more careful discriminations between the things we have prescribed, marijuana is not cocaine. in its effects and its social costs and all the rest. what the caller raised is interestingly, going to be a discuss the will issue within the next five years. host: the hearings got underway on capitol hill on the health care issue. and last sunday you were talking about health care, and i

to compare california and new jersey, if you want to do it poorly, you do it like the state of new jersey which has almost no reforms and has boosted the average cost of care to $6,000 per person. if you want to do it in a much better way, if that is california. lawsuit reform is present you have reduced the cost almost $5,000 per patient. what we would be doing in our tuesday group reform bill is backing the kind of reforms that have lowered the cost in california over what is happening in new jersey. number two, i am very worried about how to pay for the system. having just come back from china, we're worried about overall deficit spending by the united states and the practice of the fed. one part the federal government will but one part the federal government's debt. when you look at the overall weakening of the dollar in international markets, there is great fear about additional spending by the congress read the -- by the congress. we are already 1.8 -- we are already $1.80 trillion in debt. a sustainable plan is what is absolutely required. finally, the most respected medical journa

madam speaker, i would like order in the house. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will state his parliamentary inquiry. >> i withdraw. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california. mr. waxman: to close the debate i wish to yield the remainder of our time and i presume it will not be an hour or two, to our distinguished speaker who -- because of whose leadership we have the attempt to do something that the republicans neglected and that's to help our country deal with our energy problems. mr. speaker, nancy pelosi. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from california is recognized for one minute. the speaker: i thank the gentleman for yielding. thank you, madam speaker. i want to join those who have sung your praises as a distinguished presider over hundreds of hours of of debate in the house of representatives. your service here, your leadership here will long be remembered and be an inspiration to us. katherine will be very missed, but now she's off to college. thank you, ellen tauscher, for being such a great c

stink, monorails from california to nevada, and we have a big problem with what obama calls mexican immigrants and really illegal aliens, you have them in a hospital, 600 here in the bill on each one is $1 million. but i n s will not come and take them away because they cater to the illegal immigrants, which obama seems to care more about them than he does about us -- he will not help the people that just laid off. guest: you know, what the caller was saying about politicians running health care, one of the basic issues in this debate is that there is just an enormous degree of confidence and i would say over confidence on the part of the people in power in washington, d.c., right now, about capacity of government. it is not just in health care. it is things like energy, things like economic management, the idea that the federal government would be able to make competent decisions in the car industry, for example. i think that is extremely dubious. host: some of the bank's net of taken tarp money are now paying the federal government back. you see it as a sign of success? guest: the

parks, both in california and elsewhere? on december 8, 2005, speaker pelosi said, and i quote, it is just absolutely immoral, immoral, for us to heap those deficits on our children. unquote. and then again, according to "usa today" on november 12,

california. thank you. >> guest: it is going to be an issue soon. it will be an issue particularly at state level, medical use of marijuana and a less and will be a national level and should be. with a look on the one side of tobacco it kills, tobacco related illnesses kill former thousand americans a year, more than vehicular accidents, cocaine, heroin, alcohol, combined. it is far and away the largest cause of preventable death in this country -- tobacco is. compared to which marijuana looks relatively benign. there are intelligent men and women of goodwill who insist it is a gateway drug to worst drugs, but i tend increasingly to believe that my old friend and employer, bill buckley, and his magazine national review were right when more than a decade ago conservative magazine national review said that drug war is lost and we have to find something to do besides introduction -- that is fighting the drug problem on the supply side in. instead we have to deal with the demand and may have to parti

i yield to my colleague from california, mr. calvert. mr. calvert: madam speaker, as the original author of e-verify i'd like to report tonight we have over 135,000 employers throughout the united states that are using e-verify every day successfully. millions of employees have gone through that system to make sure that the work force they are employing is a legal work force. as a former employer in the restaurant business, i can tell you i wish i had that system available to me. adding this $50 million will assure to make sure that e-verify is accurate. it's already 99% accurate. we could -- that's pretty good for government work. we could make it even more accurate. we need to make sure jobs in this country goes to people who are here legally. this is an opportunity for this house to vote for this motion to recommit that will make sure, make sure that americans that are looking for jobs will have that opportunity to find one. so i would ask all my colleagues vote yes on this motion to recommit. mr. rogers: i thank the gentleman for those r

>> i will yield one minute to the member of the committee from the golden state of california. >> mr. speaker, i rise in strong opposition to the global cap and tax bill that is on the floor today. we do not have to look any further than my home state of california to see environmental alarmists and at its worst. california has adopted its own renewable energy standard and a cap and trade scheme. it is killing business in california and driving people out of the state in record numbers. rural and agricultural communities will be most affected by this bill. they will have to pay more for seed, equipment, machinery, steel, and other supplies. if you like getting your oil with hugo job as, you are going to love getting breakfast, lunch, and dinner for him, too. into it -- in achieving dramatic reductions in co2 emissions, we should preserve a robust economy and allow the free market to continue to produce commercially viable industries and clean energy technologies. i urge them to do something for the economy and put this bill where it belongs, and the recycle bin. >> i like to yield two

it is killing businesses in california and driving people out of the state in record numbers. the local agricultural producers will have to pay more to receive equipment, machinery, steel, and other supplies. if you like giving your oil from hugo chavis, you will love getting breakfast, lunch, and dinner from him as well. if you are truly interested in improving dramatic reductions in fuel emissions without destroying our economy, we should allow the free market to continue to produce commercially viable energy efficiency and clean energy technology. i urge my colleagues to do something good for the economy and the environment and put this bill where it belongs, in the recycle bin. i yelled back. >> the gentleman from new york. >> i yield 10 minutes to michigan. -- i yield two minutes to michigan. >> i have two non-members of the committee that i would like to speak. >> i'd like to yield to the gentleman from new york. one minute. >> i want to thank mr. rangel for his courtesy. >> when washington applies itself to a problem if it typically regulate. this bill is no different.

workers and ordered materials like steel, asphalt and concrete '. we're making investments in projects that will save lives. we're making investments in our highway system that will help it operate more efficiently and effectively while moving people and goods we need to keep our economy healthy. it is not only important to get the money out quickly, we must get it out in the right way. the agency continues to focus on reporting and management of the risks associated withh

i'd like to conclude by addressing my friends in the democratic leadership in this country. i want to express my congratulations for dealing with this crisis. you've managed to make the crisis worse. madam speaker we need to stop the spending, stop the bailouts, and get back to the basic responsibilities that this government has, like providing water to people. with that, madam speaker, i urge a no vote on this rule and yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from california. mr. cardoza: thank you, madam speaker. i respond to my colleague from california and my colleague from texas in this way. that they -- my colleague from california knows i support him in his efforts to try and solve the california water crisis, and in fact, i've been a leader in trying to do that. i don't always agree, i've come to this house floor and argued with my own leadership with regard to the issues that have dealt with the causes of the california regulatory drought. i'd also like to remind the gentleman who loves to blame the democra

but when it comes to helping states borrow money or deal with their budget shortfalls, i think that the administration is just saying that's your problem at this point. >> you're talking about the state of california. your line of questioning with one community in ohio dealing with job loffs losses and budget cuts on a city by city level. >> these mayors are facing a difficult situation. they've relied on the tax revenue, very hefty tax revenue from these auto plants, the taxes the companies pay for years. all of a sudden they don't have it. how do you continue to maintain your schools, how do you still hire police officers and firefighters? that's difficult. and the administration hasn't really addressed that specifically. they have addressed and moved pretty quickly to address the worker concerns. unemployment, trade adjustment assistance, they made some announcements this week. they added about another $1.7 million just to help those workers in twinsberg, hoy. that t mayor says that's great but we have a tough time here. and they have that huge facility. the city doesn't even kno

to support the resolution and i would like to thank our chairman and my colleague mr. pence for bringing this bipartisan statement for that supports our american view of the events in iran. iranian people deserve a rock democracy that counts every boat and treats its citizens with the utmost dignity. they deserve to trust their own government. these are not free and fair elections by any stretch of imagination. is are imperative to speak out whenever and wherever freedom is suppressed. whether by allies are by our foes. frankly, we have honest differences with the iranian government, no matter who was elected. any iranian government that seeks a nuclear weapon and spreads state-sponsored terrorism is a threat to the ninth states and our allies. it is for the iranians to choose who leaves them. the struggle belongs to them. however, the message we send today is the world is watching. i urge my colleagues to support this resolution. >> the gentleman from california is recognized for one minute. >> i thank the lady from florida. this country has always stood with those ar

hiring workers and ordering materials like steel, asphalt and concrete. we are making investments in projects that will save lives. we are making investment in our highway system that will help it operate more efficiently and effectively while moving to people and goods we need to keep the economy healthy. it is not only important to get the money out quickly, we must get it out in the right way. the agency continues to focus on reporting and management of the risks associated with such a large investment of dollars in transportation. the public needs to know what their money is buying, and the fhwa has moved forward aggressively to fulfill the president's commitment to transparency and accountability. i recovery act progress is on the front page of our website and is updated every day. we are providing detailed reports through recovery.gov. to guide our oversight we are employing extensive risk management strategies at the local, state and national levels, including communication and education efforts, and our division office and national review teams ar