head of the cia back in 1984. what was he upset about? guest: he was a member of the senate intelligence committee and upset at what he felt was the unfair grilling that other members of his committee were given to the cia chief over the agency having planted mines and several harbors in nicaragua. the context going back was the reagan administration's broader policies in central america and dad reading the various countries there of communist forces. the members of the committee were shocked to find at the cia had put these mines in the harbors. bill casey so they should not have been surprised because he had mentioned it in a briefing months earlier. it is reminiscent of her current interrogation techniques. essentially, the chief of the cia failed to make mention of of the mining testimony and buried the lead. he did not tell members explicitly what had been going on. there were furious when they found out. garn exploded back at the numbers, alleging that it had broken down along the local party lines. that is

the release. >> the role of the cia, both in substantive comment and in classification review raises some interesting potential conflict of interests. can you tell me what assurances the department of justice has received from the cia that those who seek to influence the opr report through substantive comment or those who have the effect of delaying the report through classification review are not complicit or involved in the underlying conduct? have you got essentially a clean scrub of those at the cia who are involved in those processes to assure that they're not tainted by the program that is the subject of the report? >> as i think i testified earlier, it is our hope to release as complete a report as we can. and one of the things that i think we want to do is to declassify as much of this report as we can so that when people read it, either in this body or the general public, they'll have a full feeling for what this our lawyers and the office of professional responsibility dealt with and what is the basis for the conclusion that is they reached. and so we'll be pushing as i sai

i served in the cia. i never witnessed anything that i would describe as an attempt by the cia to infiltrate media organizations in the united states and unaware of that. i cannot comment on that particular idea. host: there are other aspects to that idea. you see this headline, "i ran cracks down on internet use," a lot of the video -- "iran cracks down on internet use." it gets to the whole twitter part of the story. but media specifically. if the notion is that iran is keeping the foreign media from reporting the story, what does that mean to you? guest: this is clearly a regime in its electoral process that is not fully democratic by western standards. it is a regime of political order in which state-controlled media dominates to a large control the information flow to iranians. it is -- it is becoming harder for the iranian government and other governments around the world to control that information flow to their people given all of these new technologies, the internet, facebook, twitter. it is beco

the public face of the cia's extraordinary rendition program. nonetheless, el-masri dismissed. the very entity charged with wrongdoing. the characterized the entire subject matter of mr. el-masri's as a state secret. as a result of one place in the world or mr. el-masri's are deal could not be discussed was in the u.s. court of law. a second aclu on behalf of victims of the cia rendition program, this one targeting a boeing subsidiary that provided flight services enabling the clandestine transfer of our clients to oversees prisons where they were tortured. it was similarly dismissed on the cia affidavit alone as this-- when the case reached the ninth circuit court of appeals, the obama and his administration injustice third week in office the behind the administration's broad claim the state secrets. in april, the court of appeals reversed the dismissal of the suit, holding the government states secrets claim was premature and overbroad. it held that the government's sweeping theory of state secrets "had no logical limit and amounted to an argu

past to reform the cia and the practice of how classified information is released. what has worked so far? guest: one of the frustrating things is that this is not new. people have been talking about it for 50 years. we can be certain it is not enough to complain or to criticize. we need to find new solutions and a purchase if we will have any hope of fixing the problem. in the past several decades there have been a couple of experiments that have produced real reductions in secrecy. one is a 1995 program by the department of energy to carry out what they called a fundamental classification policy review. they did it top to bottom review of all their classification guides, the lists of things the classified at what level, and asked if it still needs to be classified. in many cases the answer was no. one of my suggestions is that other classifying agencies need to do what the department of energy did in 1995. throw out many of the obsolete practices and streamline the system. host: thus the pressure for requests based on the freedom of information -- has that made mo

by the cia in a tragic case of mistaken identity. his case received such prominent press coverage in the united states and abroad he truly became the public face of the cia's extraordinary rendition program. his lawsuit was dismissed on the basis of an affidavit from the cia, the very entity charged with wrongdoing. they characterized the suit as a state secret as a result the one place in the world where mr. al-masri's ordeal could not be discussed in the u.s. court of law. a second aclu lawsuit on behalf of the victims of the cia's ren days program this one a boeing plan allowing the clandestined camps where they were tortured. as this subcommittee knows when the case reached the ninth circuit court of appeals in february the obama administration in just its third week in office stood behind the bush administration's broad claim of state secrets. in april, the court of appeals reversed the dismissal of the suit holding that the government's state secrets claim was premature and overbroad. it held that the government's sweeping theo

his lawsuit was dismissed on the basis of an affidavit from the cia. the care -- this characterized his case as a state secret. the one place in the world when we're his case could not be discussed was in a court of law in united states. another case in which a company provides services, was dismissed on the basis of a cia affidavit. the obama administration stood behind a bush administration's walk -- broad claim. in april, the court of appeals reversed the dismissal of

this is the cia at its best. if you think america is not helping them with technology and twitter and everything, you underestimate the cia. lindsay graham and john mccain, i am so relieved that john mccain did not win. if he had run -- there would be a third world war. there are ways that you can impact countries without overtly doing it, and that is what we should be doing and i think the present -- i don't agree with him on a lot of things. mccain really scares me. what would they have us do? send troops there to lose their lives? if people want freedom badly enough, they should be ready to pay the price with their lives. host: james on the line. good morning, as we look at video from youtube from over the weekend. caller: good morning. absolutely a timid response from obama and it is typical of democrats' approach things, they stay on the sidelines and let things happen in front of them. your previous caller had mentioned that no news program is covering this -- of course they are not going to cover it becaus

book was ready the cia, the famous cia long memo just was declassified. it's in one of the intelligence magazines. it's too late to include in the book and the cia -- it wouldn't have mattered if we put it in the book. it was almost verbatim the same arguments about the state department. they were using the same arguments. they believed the bases were threatened. that we need an access to arab oil and arab oil was extremely important. he was a close associate -- i can't think of his name the name of armco and he believed that's who we have to be in contact with. those are the people who will protect american national security and these are the people we have to stand with and that means essentially keeping open access to arab oil as the main thing in terms of american national security and that means opposing any program or effort of the zionists, america's interest lie with the arabs. there was also -- the strange thing, this information strange footnote that we don't really develop enough in the book. there was the argument they brought forward that if

a totally bogus argument. >> i am curious looking at the book on the cia with the national drug trade and i'm curious to the continuity of your work and you're dead to hamper also two weeks ago there was an e-mail former npr journalist and i do not remember her name but she was billed as the adviser to general mccarron and afghanistan? >> sarich ase? >> yes. one day after hurt interview he was forced to resign and i cannot help but think there was a relation between that interview and his ragged nation? >> i have no idea about that i don't know how the pentagon makes decisions nor did i see the interview. i think sarich case has done a lot of rework and afghanistan but in terms of the rumors of the cia involvement in the drug trade this is something i heard all the time whether the reasons the u.s. was not stopping the drug trade is because of our agents were secretly involved. i even had one governor, no less of a southern afghan province he was not even a bozo. he was fairly serious individual and told me he thought there was a deal between the bin laden family and the bush family t

. >> i am curious i have been looking at this book with the cia complicity with the national drug trade and i am curious about the continuity of your work and your debt to him. and at two weeks ago there was a former at npr journalist and i do not remember her name. but she was billed as the adviser to general mccarron. >> sayre of chase. >> yes. one day after her interviewed general mccarron was forced to resign i cannot help of wonder there was a relation between that interview and his resignation? >> i have no idea about that. i do not even know how the pentagon makes decisions nor did i see the interview briefing sarich ase has done a lot of great work in southern afghanistan but in terms of the rumor of the cia involvement, this is something i heard all the time over and over one of the reasons the u.s. was not stopping the drug trade was because our agents were secretly involved. i even had a governor, no less than a governor he was not even a bozo he was a very serious individual tell me he thought there was a deal between the bin laden family and the bush family to move drugs ou

face of the cia's rendition program. nonetheless his case was dismissed on the basis of an affidavit from the cia, the very entity charged with wrongdoing. the characterize the subject matter of mr. l masri's state's ticket and as a result where he-- his ordeal could not be discussed was in the u.s. court of law. a second aclu lawsuit in the rendition program, this one targeting a boeing subsidiary enabling the clandestine transfer to overseas presence where there were torture. was similarly dismissed on the basis of in affidavit alone. as the subcommittee knows when the case reached the ninth circuit court of appeals in february the obama administration in just its third week in office the behind bush administration's broad clemency secrets. in april, the court of appeals reversed the dismissal of the suit holding that the government states the quitclaimed was repenter and overbroad. it held that the government's sweeping theory of state secrets "had no logical limit and amounted to an argument that the did you share sh

recommendations of the cia differently if on the one hand the cia had not assured the department that its recommendations were coming from individuals who had clean hands versus those who did not? is that not an important factor in evaluating the substantive comment. >> those are ones that would take into considerations. so many of this is fact-driven. that's what people will find important. it is fact-driven really and the conclusions one draws from the facts, i guess, can differ but ultimately it'll be the justice department's view that will control based on the facts that we have uncovered. but as i say taking into account whatever other views people have of those same facts. >> thank you, attorney general my time has expired, thank you very much. >> senator klobuchar. >> i was going through some of the cases and the concerns that they had and i think a misplaced argument about politization and as you were talking i was thinking what was the most high profile case you have dismissed, white collar cases since you came into office. what would you say that is. >> i'd probably say it w

as the director of the cia, we try to foster good relations with partners. we had dinner with the deputy secretary of iraq. we had him to our house for dinner. as an air force officer at the time, i could call in the air force band to play music. i asked the director of the air force band if he had a kurdish ensembles. they did not. the university -- i asked if they had a celtic group. they did. we have ended the after-dinner music. then they did an encore. i asked them to play the music from deep background of ken burns' documentary on the civil war. they did it magnificently. he asked about it. he said was hauntingly beautiful. i told him about the civil war. i told him that even though it was a modern song, it has become associated in the american consciousness with our civil war. he leaned forward and ask how many people died in our civil war. i told him we had about 31 million americans within. there are 21 million in iraq now. we lost 21 million people. he kind of stood up in his chair and said "let us pray it does not come to that." that cultural sens

he served in the late 1980's for the cia as a persian gulf analysts. he joined us and the aftermath of a liberation of kuwait. he is responsible for iraq, iran, and afghanistan policy currently. next, vice-president for policy and an expert on regional security in the least and the central asia and at the russian federation. he has consulted with both the cia and the department of defense and provided assistance on foreign-policy and national- security matters. he is an adjunct professor. he is a member of the committee on the present danger. he is an editor of the journal about security affairs. he most recently finished a book concerning tehran's strategies on confronting the islamic challenge. the next guest has written extensively. he was a research fellow at the congressional research service. he is a member of the committee of present dangers also. he is also on the board of editors of middle east quarterly. i will turn it over to ken. >> thank you. it is good to be back at heritage. i am speaking only in a personal capacity, now reflecting any m

fight with the cia over your personal representatives. so he could talk about your approach and what you are the key to accomplish that would be interested. the second question is, if he could elaborate a little on why he said the warrantless wiretapping program was not illegal because it is not getting a -day in court so far, so people will have to take you and your board and would be good to hear a little bit more about why it wasn't. >> right. [laughter] on the second question, you are just going to have to take me at my word. on the first question, i am simply carrying out the duties of the office, which are to lead the intelligence, lead the intelligence community. i think all of us to a been involved in the intelligence community, whether to a small degree or spent a whole career in it, realized it is at its best and most effective when it is working together, when we are putting signals intelligence together, human intelligence with geospatial intelligence and having a combined attack on a gnome mission and producing results. that

cia, that talked about what we achieved through the interrogations program of high- value detainees, and i would not ordinarily be leading the charge to declassify classified information. otherwise, they would not call me darth vader for nothing. [laughter] but once the administration released the legal memos that gave the opinions that were used to guide the interrogations program, they had given away the store, in a sense, the techniques that were used in the interrogations program, i thought was important to have the results that were gained from the interrogations front and center, as well, so that is why i asked for those to be declassified. what is happening now is the response that came back to my formal request was a negative 1. it, in effect, said -- i thought that was pete for a second. [applause] [laughter] that it could not be released. the same standard would apply if you looked at the legal memos that had previously been released. the president has the authority to declassify anything he wants. if they wanted to, at a stroke of a pen, he could declassify those documents

the cia fomenting street unrest. what was said yesterday as opposed to saturday statement is that they actually posted the statement on the u.s. white house website is farsi. i talked to the white house about that decision. they said that they wanted iranians to read it themselves. the larger picture is that president obama does not want the united states to become a major element in the debate as long as the ruling clerics a iran say that this is a western- sponsored demonstration, that is one thing, but if it becomes overt and the demonstrators themselves see the united states calling for regime change, a loaded term in that part of the world following the iraq war in becomes more complicated. it answers the united states into something that would complicate the demonstrators' cause. host: guest: let's go to the phones. -- host: but the to the phones. caller: i would like to talk about the history ofiran. we overthrew the government in 1973 by the cia and we install shah was a mass-murder. look at what we have done

mohammed rafiq jepsen iysoo against the private aviation services committee for facilitating the cia rendition to torture of five muslim men and edmonds versus the department judgement whistle-blower suit and the behalf of the fbi translator pfeiffer reporting serious misconduct. mr. west was a law clerk to the honorable stephen reinhardt of the court of appeals for the ninth circuit. is a graduate of harvard college in new york university's school of law and i must say i have the funds for the new york university of lawson's my son is currently a student. i am pleased to welcome all of you. it is no mullite-- each of your reinstatements abed made part of the record in its entirety and i would ask you summarize your testimony in five minutes or less. there is a timing for your table. when one minute remains the light will switch from green to yellow and then to read when the five minutes are up. before we began to discuss-- if you please stand and raise your right hand to take the oath. do you swear or affirm under penalty of perjury the testimony you are about to give is true and co

inherently wrongheaded the cia published a study india and china will be merging powers of the cia just brought it a straight line. but the center we have passed is a century fall of discontinuity. the question i am asking what are the discontinuities that will occur in the 21st century? and equally, what are the forces that create those discontinuities? i guarantee the concrete suggestions i have will sound completely mad and perhaps they are, but they are not intended to me but no more air mad they an understanding this century and 1900. so what are the underlying forces that frame the century? let me begin with the first one which i think is critical which is the end of the population. everywhere in the world birthrates are collapsing. it is projected by the united nations population growth will go 100% in the past 50 years to only 50% by 2015 and by the end of the century, a 10% growth. to replace population, each woman it needs to have 2. one children and in most of europe, that number is 1.5, 1.six, 1.seven, and japan is similar. it is therefore at arithmetically certain that the

secrets privilege including al-massi versus the united states the challenge to the cia, abduction, torture of an innocent german citizen, mohammed jepson a suit against a private aviation company for facilitating the cia's rendition to torture of five muslim men and edmonds versus department of justice a whistle blower retaliation suit on behalf of an fbi translator fired for reporting serious misconduct. he was a law clerk in the court of appeals for the ninth circuit. he's a graduate of harvard college and new york university school of law. i must say have a particular fondness of new york university school of because since my son goes there. i welcome all of you. it is now my -- each of your written statements will be made part of the record in its entirety. i would ask that you summarize your testimony in five minutes or less. to help you stay within that time limited, there's a light at your table when there's one minute it will switch to yellow and red when the five minutes are up. before we begin it's customary for the committee to swear in its witnesses. if you would please stand a

including the cia expected that to take place. this is a dilemma and challenge the white house is facing. do you see what you want to get whether? do you think it is credible enough to seize that moment? as president obama has insisted, given the history of iran-u.s. relations. host: second call from chicago is from gene on the line per independents. welcome. caller: 90% of americans don't know what the usz has done since 1963. this has been festering all of those years. not only iran. the united states has done this in many countries to keep in power the complex and all the republican-type people who are brain washed and said kill, kill, kill, take over the whole world to get resources. another thing, we have no right to tell people not to have a weapon unless we get rid of a weapon ourselves in the same way. also, as far as obama says, he's satisfied with the election, well, it is not his duty to say that. he should keep his mouth shut about it altogether and let the people over there decide what to do. because if some of the ot

cia from the limits of law. . . and confusion in the court. a need for uniform standards and practices is as urgent today. at a press conference today after the ruling, the president obama was asked about his is administration's position on state secrets. he responded, i think that the state secrets doctrine should be modified. searching for ways to redact, to carve out certain cases so that a judge can review information without being in open court, there should be additional tools so that it is not such a blunt instrument. congress should provide those additional tools. >> i will begin the questioning by recognizing myself for five minutes. judge, during the subcommittee in the last congress, your testimony last year as supporting requirements had system -- a substantial way -- wait, the government seeks to withhold as a state secret. is that accurate? do you believe we should recall -- require that the courts grant automatic deference? that is the standard in the senate companion bill, but not this one. >> when i

and further said that these techniques that were veffed by the cia and justified by the bush memos don't work. they do lead to bad intelligence or unusable intelligence. with regard to the latest hearing. if that was part of the hearing, they didn't say. that information to believe to suggest that these don't work. they haven't come out with any new information to suggest that. it is difficult for them because you can't choose the republicans of violating the rules of a closed subcommittee hearing. and then the subcommittee come $out to say, what we know about these is that they don't work. that goes to my next question s. there any indication that rules were broken. >> congresswoman january who chairs the subcommittee who had the hearing has said that that's an issue that may be discussed in terms of sacks she didn't give any idea. other than saying she thought the account ability should be there but didn't -- wasn't specific by what she meapt by that. >> next el on the line. >> thank you for taking my call. this is my question. as you can tell, i have an accent. i am a citizen. the rea

to the cia. how can you " oliver north? i do not hear him saying anything about tearing walls in gaza. why have we not seen any pictures of the white fox being dropped by the israelis. all we can all i have been hearing is this crap about iran. we have done everything that we need to to destabilize their government. we do not even have free and fair elections in this country. you americans have lost your mind. i am ashamed of this country. goodbye. host: kathryn, little rock. good morning. caller: we had elections stolen from us twice by bush. they did not protest because they were benefiting. the people of iran, more power to them. host: alice, from georgia. good morning. caller: thank you for c-span. there is one thing that people are forgetting. iranians are using their own tactics, throwing rocks and burning things. they should remember how we blacks had to fight for our freedom back in the day. we were jailed, killed, and everything. we kept on fighting. that is what they have to do. preside

is happening on the streets of iran on the cia or the white house. this is an issue led by an given voice to the frustrations of the iranian people. we had been very consistent the first day, and we will continue to be consistent in saying this is not an issue about the united states. it is an issue about the albanian people. but we have also been consistent about is saying there are some universal principles including freedom of assembly and speech, making should that governments are not using coercion and violent and oppression in terms of how they interact with these peaceful demonstrators. we have been speaking out very clearly about that fact. >> [unintelligible] >> we do not have formal diplomatic collations with iran. -- diplomatic relations with iran. if iran chooses a path that abides by the international norms and principles, then we are interested in healing some of the wounds of 30 years in terms of the u.s.-iranian relations. that is a choice that they will have to make. >> america's health insurance plans and blue cross blue shield sent

she flat out said she was lied to by the cia relative to the harsh interrogation measures. i wondered if she was sort of brought out on this issue because karl rove wrote an opinion piece in the "wall street journal" saying she ways in the loop. she was briefed in december of 2002 and she had the media availability. >> who said this, rove? >> rove said this and reconstructed a timeline that seemed compelling. a good subject for when i'm not micked for c-span maybe. >> always persuaded by anything that karl rove says. >> my view of it for what it's worth, i don't think this is a debate that should have been held in public but the extent it's being held, bring everything out you can. there of memos that speak to the efficacy of waterboarding i would like to read them. >> i agree. i think that other issues -- [inaudible] >> i don't understand -- >> right. >> suck all the air out of the white house when i read it. >> so many things in there that i think that should be investigated. >> very well. you would be interested to know there's a chapter in the book that says all the 9/1

the cia director leon panetta and the headline here, panetta says former vice-president dick cheney's criticism of the administration and their approach to terrorism, almost wishing this country would be attacked again in order to make his point. cheney "smells blood in the water on the issue of national security." caller: i only have one problem with the taxing the health care benefits. it seems i have heard that the uaw will be exempt from that tax. host: is that it? thank you. go ahead. caller: people have bounced around it. i am retired. i paid into my medicare and social security since the 1970's. now they have reduced my medicare benefits. host: is that your provider, medicare? caller: no, i am retired from the post office. i have a better plan now. i had prostate cancer before i turn 65. now, whenever i go to have a psa test i get a form from medicare saying it may not pay for that procedure, it's like i'm going -- blue cross pays for it anyway. government health care -- look at the va. if that doesn't scare you, i don't know what will. what they need to do, is the government s

as you go into the agency in the marble hall that has become the iconic image of the cia, off to the left there is a quotation from the scriptures of saint john. "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." that is your task. i envy your future. thank you very much. [applause] >> we have a programming note for you. david simon will talk about journalism and his work in television, including his series "the wire." live coverage begins at 2:00 p.m. on average companion network. tonight, dennis blair will discuss his recent trip. we will have live coverage of his speeches at 8:30 p.m., also on c-span 2. >> authors and journalists who cover the white house on the constitutional roles of the president and congress, including the relationship between the branches of government. this is hosted by washington & lee university. it runs about one hour and 45 minutes. >> i hope you are enjoying your meal. i think it is time to start the program. i will do that with great pleasure by introducing professor connally. he has been with us since 1986. he has a ph.d. in american gover

military, the cia, and the drug enforcement administration have formed a policy there that is destructive of the civilian order. host: ambassador white is a graduate of the tufts university school of law and diplomacy and former senior associate of carnegie endowment for peace. his current title is president of the center for international policy. tyrone is on the phone from memphis. caller: how are you doing? we are spending too much money on foreign stuff, all these wars and stuff. we've got a lot of problems over here. we need to bring all of the troops back and give these people jobs over here. a lot of folks here in the united states -- we need to get the jobs that instead of concentrating on other folks issues. host: thank you for the comment. let me go back to something we saw earlier -- senior administration officials say they want to "talk our way through this" with key players in honduras. who is talking to whom? guest: well, at this point, i think that the head of the oas is doing a lot of the negotiating, and that is proper. there is a sense that democracy is the official gove

so why iran want our input -- and we probably have the cia working behind the scenes now. wish to leave people alone and let the mark up their own government and of their own way of life -- we should leave people alone. host: belasco as from the republican line in virginia. caller: this reminds me of the tenement square massacre in 1989. before the president george h. bush was cajoling these people to do more to get democracy and the result was the massacre. i agree with mel martinez that it is better to stay out of this and see what happens because it

in recent months the director of the federal bureau of investigation, the director of the cia, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, and national security adviser general jones all had visited india to underline and strengthen that cooperation. i might add that general jones conveyed an invitation to prime minister singh to visit later this fall to washington, that is in addition to the g20 meeting that will take place in pittsburgh. still on the theme of security cooperation, we think there is room for expanded defense cooperation between the united states and india. the as india's economy grows, it is sought to modernize its military and u.s. technology can and should be a part of that modernization of. we are working hard to conclude bilateral agreements such as the monitoring agreement that will help to ensure that defense sales and military to military cooperation can continue their positive trajectory. more broadly as you have discussed this morning, economic and trade cooperation is one of the fastest-growing segments of the u.s. india relationship. india has whether the global

guidance of the central elements of the cia and the department of justice. >> final question on national security topics. why did not your administration capture osama bin laden? >> well, i believe he is still out there someplace. he is, i am sure, probably buried deep in the ground, hiding. he does not communicate, obviously. he has learned that he should not communicate. we will continue, i am sure, with the current administration, continuing the search for him. he is an important figure, obviously. we would have loved to have captured him during our what. i am sure the obama people feel the same way. unfortunately, i do not think he will have much impact in this organization, because the link is pretty fragile. i do not think he has the capacity to do as much carmahars he did at one time, but we should still continue to look for him. >> what do you think of today's general motors bankruptcy and the fact that the u.s. government is not actively involved in managing two of the three big automakers? >> i am sorry, i guess, is the way i would put it. once you get into the business of havi

folks at the pentagon and the cia -- >> the main story is he's getting too much to the military ground on this right now. >> okay. >> let me say i am incredibly curious what is in the memos. i really want to see i hesitate to prejudge. i don't think he's kind and up being a hero for political independence but he certainly could end up helping him and the bush administration with the republican base. and these memos will come out. it is impossible something that significant quality eventually come out. it is the rule of washington. >> it has to i think in terms of that these documents are hung up in this current litigation. so once that ends presumably they can be made available if you get >> questioned? >> thank you. you guys started touching on this but i am curious on your thoughts of the future of the republican party. there's been talk recently who is going to be the new face whether possibly eric cantor would take the place of, you know, the leader of the republican party and the you see 2010 being the time they are able to capture more seats for the democratic party or are they g

front page of "the washinton post," the cia objecting to the release of bush-era documents of the interrogation of some of those detainees. the headline this morning, the chrysler deal put on hold as the supreme court reviews the company's bankruptcy reorganization. all this possibly impacting the deal with fiat. more details coming forth from congress and the white house on health care. and this question, are you satisfied with your health care? the numbers to call, 202-737- 0001, our line for republicans. 202-737-0002 if you are a democrat. if you are an independent, 202- 628-0205. this morning, front-page of "the washington post," an in-depth story by cc connolly, decision makers differ on how to mend broken health system. nowhere else in the world is so much money spent with such poor results. on that point there is rare unanimity among washington decision makers, the u.s. health system needs a major overhaul. researchers have documented the inequities, shortcomings, the waist, and dangers in a hodgepodge of the accord needed medical services that consume nearly 1/5 of the u.s. economy. exo

you can even go back to the 1950's, when the cia be stabilized that country's government. they know that a lot of the stuff that we are hearing in the american papers and around the world is nothing more than a pretense. that is a sovereign state over there. these people know their history, the united states should last country in the face of the earth talking about needing to help these people with you and rights and freedoms when we helped to put the shah of iran in. when we were caught red handed killing those people, he fled the country and came here to live out the last of his life -- rest of his life. that is something to think about. host: another twitter, "i respect you for the u.s. 2000 election analogy. it would have been comical if the iranian government said it was monitoring the u.s. election." dave, republican line. you are on. caller: i want to say that it makes it tough for the united states in a couple of ways. a lot of people do not want to except that iran, that this guy was elected. now it makes it tougher because we have painted him and his country as

my compatriots at cia, et cetera. and we dropped the bombs. now, in my specific strikes -- i worked on many hundreds of air strikes, but on the target set in which we were trying to kill saddam hussein it was a very limited target set. we had 50 missions in which we actually dropped munitions on either saddam or another member of them. in the 50 air strikes we had a total sum of zero successes. we didn't get saddam or his sons or the brothers or any of the people on the deck of cards. as we went in the war it was failure after failure. i would estimate about 250 civilians were killed in the air strikes that we did have against saddam hussein. but i truly felt that we did the best job that we could. i then left the pentagon on the 11th of april of 2003. this was days after the statue of saddam fell in baghdad. and in all honesty, a week later, i was standing in a crater in basra in an air strike in which we had targeted chemical ali because of his gassing of the kurds in 1988 and i stood facing this man. he was in his 60s, i guess, maybe older,

my compatriots at the cia, etc, and we dropped the bombs. i worked on many hundreds of air strikes. on the target sets where we were trying to kill saddam hussein, it was a limited target set. we have 50 missions -- we had 50 missions where we dropped emissions. in those 50 airstrikes, we had a grand total of zero successes. not only did we not get saddam hussein, we did not get any of the people on the deck of cards. as we went through the war, it was failure after failure. i would estimate about 250 civilians were killed in the air strikes that we did. i truly felt that we did the best job that could. and then left the pentagon on the 11th of april, 2003. this was days after the statute of sitcoaddam fell in baghdad. one week later, i was standing in an air strike area. i stood facing this man. he was in his 60s, may be older. his fingernails were really worn down. he had brown hands. he told me how two families were wiped out. his children and grandchildren were killed. his son was a doctor, his wife was a doctor. that was a difficult moment. but it was also a moment where i knew

we have just finished talking a little about the cia and their preservation of the intelligence and a secret from congress. you heard some of that conversation. anything surprise you? guest: just that it is part of a larger issue. hal information disclosure is regulated for political advantage. the government decides what it wants to disclose. it is often not based on principle, but on what serves their interests. that is a problematic approach. host: i should point out that the president has asked james jones, the national security adviser, to review the recommendations on the release of classified documents. what will happen in that 90-day period? guest: the classification is not based in law but an executive order. presidents typically issue their own version to define the classification system. president obama has said i want you to look at revising the bush administration's executive order to promote greater openness and transparency. over the next 90 days the national security council is supposed to lead a review of the classification system and consider recommendations for grea

we were able to set up the machine for cia. it barely fit in his nose but at least we were helping his breathing. after that, there was little else to do. i found it hard to relax and went to his room repeatedly to stand quietly next to his mother by her side i watched the undulations of the child's smooth belly. dr. conte eventually returned from his meeting to find me still at cia's bedside. i immediately felt relieved that the ward was back under his capable supervision. and i could return to my safe role as medical student. but still i took my mentor's words to pull me away. not in our hands anymore, he said. with the wisdom of many years. now god will have his way. so that was kind of the transition point of me being totally just in research and trying to be hands off and then coming to terms with the fear, i guess, in the first part -- is coming to terms with the fear of my own mortality with dealing with the lassa virus and then the second portion which i think in many ways was actually harder was coming to terms with th

there are reports suggesting the cia is behind all of this. all are false. it gives you a sense of the narrative that the iranian government is trying to plant. the members of congress have their constitutional duties. i am sure they will carry them out in the way they think is appropriate. i am president of united states, and i will carry of my duties as they are appropriate. >> [unintelligible] >> if you look at the statements that i have made, they have been very consistent. i made a statement on saturday about the violence. in the hothouse of washington, there may be all kinds of stuff going back and forth in terms of republican critics versus the administration. that is not what is relevant to the iranian people. what is relevant to them is are they going to let their voices heard? a lot of them are paying a lot of attention to what is being set on capitol hill and not thinking about what is being said here. they need to focus on how to make sure justice is being served in iran. >> u.f. avoided spelling out consequences twice. -- you have avoided spelli

we overthrew the government in 1973 by the cia and we install shah was a mass-murder. look at what we have done to those people? what you talk about what is going on ingaza, send all your news people there and to what is happening to those people in gaza. we spent $500 million to destabilize the iranian elections and what you see now with all the cellphone and twitter -- that is where our money when. when will america stop being one big hit agree? i'm sick of these elected officials and so-called expert to get on tv and have no, have no idea of the history of this country and what we have done tuesday iranian people. host: historical perspective can be a big part of this. guest: yes, the caller raises a good point. obama raised couthe question abt that coup. the ayatollah khamenei led a revolution that overthrew the government. that is when hostages were taken in the u.s. embassy. it began 30 years of very antagonistic relations between the u.s. and iran. part of what the caller is frustrated with -- use the word hypocrisy, which i think it's an interesting term, one t

the cia it is a moods policy to stop the creation of a jewish state. forcibly truman's adviser clark clifford who had replaced rosenmen and became the first national security director told german it was really not unthinkable to reverse partition that what they should do is get the arabs to accept it and if they do not come much condemn them as the aggressors. clifford told german that warren austin speech from the state department position was completely fallacious and partitioned was in complete harmony with the policy of united states as has been stated to allow trusteeship to become policy now would actually lead to the very military involvement truman wanted to avoid. he said his position would harm the less, heart western unity and he told truman "we crossed the rubicon on this matter when the wind adopted the partition resolution largely your assistance program free backtrack to appease the arabs they will treat us "with contempt in light of our appeasement" end quote. so any way warren austin did give the speech which became as a bombshell beca

my counterpart at the cia on a secure phone, talking to her about why are we doing this ps? there was discussion, but it was never over. >> please describe your relationship with the international court of justice an international criminal court. have you ever provided in the security? >> you are looking at my security. the human rights watch was an organization, a real hallmark of our work. we have people that work closely with the icc, not only that, but other bodies, such as the icpy. we have people who have testified. at times, we are called upon to testify as witnesses, and to bring evidence before the world court. >> why did the usa performed so badly in organization of iraq in your opinion? them if i can put you all to a fine film called "no end in sight." it wasn't a cut -- academy award film, sadly, it did not win. it does a fine job of going through what the occupation failed, and why the insurgency came to be. it points to some decisions that were made, such as expanding the army, the failure to have security from the beginning, to have enough forces on the ground

it's true the cia overthrew the democratically elected leader of iran in 1953 because he wouldn't let us have their oil on our terms. and i had to buy some video clips, archival clips for my show, and i was astounded watching this newsreel from the 1950's. you know, they've ransacked his house, threw him out with great fanfare brought in the dictator of the shaw with his american bodies and they took the throne and in a grand walter cronkite voice you hear "and once again, we'll flows freely to the west." and all my life i've heard that kind of stuff and i thought well, amen. it's vital to our national security interest. actually it's vital to our accustomed lifestyle, that's more honest but it's odd that we don't think very much how odd that is. now we put in the shaw those people lived with the shaw from 53 to 79, and the shaw might have done some good things but he had a lot of enemies and iran and because he was so extreme this way i believe they went to the opposite extreme that we and threw him out and brought something to the other side which was a theocracy from by ayatollah k