. >> boyce, what do you think? >> i think what we have to do, what i've been saying from the beginning, we need to know all the facts before we accuse someone of doing something that might ultimately ruin your career. imagine if you're a guy like sergeant crowley, had an exemplayexe exemplary career. i wanted to know the facts. i didn't say, this guy did something outrage. 4 rajs. i said what's the standard procedure when your investigator is breaking and entering. for example, just because you show an i.d. showing you belong in that house, that doesn't mean you should be there. one-third of women who are killed are killed by a former lover, by a man who breaks into their own home. we have to be smart about this. >> massachusetts law states that when something -- when a citizen requests the name and badge number of a cop they are to give it. gates said he requested that, the sergeant said he would not give it to him. >> that's not what the police report says. >> precisely. >> the police report says the sergeant att

boyce watkins is joining us now. he's in a unique situation because his father was a police officer and he's grown up around the badge. you know, it's tough. my brother's a police officer. and i'm damn proud of him, and i think he's a great cop and a great human being, just like i'm sure you would say about your dad. but it's tough not to watch video like the one we just showed and not come away with the impression that too many of them are that way. is it not? >> yeah. there are a t lot of bad cops out there. what's interesting is even those cops that would be technically defined as good cops, they sort of feel that they have the power all the time and that if they can do something legally, then it doesn't matter if it's morally correct. and one of the issues you can actually critique sergeant crowley on, and i've supported him on certain areas, but one area i would critique him is, you know, he could legally arrest professor gates. i don't believe he broke the law. >> of course he can. >> but morally right. if you

boyce watkins is joining us now. boyce was with me yesterday and somewhat brazen and courageous enough to say, my dad used to be a cop. even though i am an african-american man, i think the president of the united states, whom i respect, was wrong for saying what he did. that's what boyce watkins said on the air yesterday. what's your take after hearing the president kind of do a mia kulpa today? >> i think this shows that president obama is what i thought he was, an intelligent and thoughtful human being. i think it is wa a slip of the tongue. i think that president obama, i'm hopeful, will do a little bit of self-reflection and really ask himself, was it my association with my harvard buddy that led me to assume if he got arrested, the officer might have done something wrong. my belief is that this isn't as much about race as it might be about class. >> or is it something else? is there something, boyce, in african-americans and to a certain extent, latinos and hispanics, that makes us often not in a mean or conspi

boyce watkins is a professor at syracuse university both are with us now. roland, should the president have taken sides? should he have said that last night on national television? >> absolutely, he should have. he has a right to his own opinion. he was simply asked a question. he answered the question. had he danced around the question, you would be sitting here saying, why isn't the president being honest about this story? why can't he answer any race-related questions? >> do you agree with what he said? >> absolutely. >> you think the officer acted stupidly? >> this is what he said, they acted stupidly arresting him after it was established that he was the owner of the home. that's the most important thing. so the key there is if the guy has already established that i am the owner of this home and so here i am, upset that you are still sitting here calling me a suspect. >> he was. hold on, hold on. the record does not show he was calling him -- what you have just said is not true. that he was calling him a suspect. >> you are saying the record. the recor

. >> boyce, has there been anything, though, about this dialogue? roland is saying we need to step back and maybe not jump to conclusions so that we can get to the next level. has there been anything about this dialogue that has made you uneasy that you've seen in the past few days? >> yeah. what bothered me tst dialogue was not what happened in this particular case. what bothered me were the reactions that people had. many people reacted to this case without knowing all the facts. and so i'm getting all these e-mails in my box saying oh, boyce, you're becoming an uncle tom because you're not jumping on our side here -- >> that's harsh. >> well, you know, it happens. a hustler's dream is a hater's nightmare, that's what i always say. so effectively that's going to happen. but the reality, though, is a lot of people were reacting based on preconceived notions of race and preconceived perceptions of police officers that may or may not be true. most people who hate police officers don't really know much about what police officers have to do, what they

. >> okay, boyce i'm out of time, but go ahead. >> professor gates should not have been arrested. he should not have been arrested for being black in his own home. however with that said, this got exaggerated beyond all possible courses. so we want to pull back. >> that's right. >> from the racialization of the business, as the president has done, and begin a rational serious conversation, which is based on the data, and not an incident involving a black celebrity. >> okay, boyce last word to you. >> the last thing i'll say is that i certainly agree in the sense that we need to understand that racial profiling did not begin because it happened -- allegedly happened in the henry louis gates. we also have to understand that racial profiling goes both ways. we can't profile white officers as being racist just because they arrest an african-american. at the same time we have to really stand up and realize that racism does exist in this country, and that we must fight it, but compassionately, intelligently, and with the strength and focus that dr. king would like for us to have. if we

>> well, i mean boyce brought up the analogy of a marriage. let's talk about a relationship. yeah, you're seeking closure. but i don't think we necessarily will get any closure. it would be good to have that kind of a closure. but here's the point, even if we don't hear what they each individually have to say, the point is, at the end of the day, they may never agree anyway. professor gates has his story. sergeant crowley has his story. president obama has his story. what is the bigger story here? >> yeah. >> the bigger story is, there are a bunch of narratives out there and truths that say shawn bell goes down, abner nowimi is plundered. the reality is that disproportionate numbers of black and latino men are treated horriblebly who get out of control and embrace the vicious stereotypes that racial profiling delivers to the collective unconscience to america. here's my point. beyond what they say, the brouhaha or if we don't get to what ails to throw in two more puns, they can have a coke and a smile and a drink of beer, but at the end of the day, we must wrestle with the me

a utah boyce says it was too hot to go to church, so he stole his parents' car and went on a joyride. the kid was followed for 10 box as he weaved in and out of traffic. he got up to 45 miles per hour even though he had trouble reaching the panel. >> his speed was slow, but iraq tickly -- erratically. he would have to screw down the road to hit the gas. >> he went back to his home where he threw the car in park, and made a break for it. there he goes. investigators say he is too young to be charged but they just hope his parents to keep a closer eye on him in the future. >>> legislation to ban drivers from texting behind the wheel. is it worth it? new research questions the nutritional value of organic food. and doctor kim hammond from falls road animal hospital with a very cute puppy. you can e-mail your questions to petquestions@wbaltv.com. >> we are having a dog day today. we will get up to 90 before it is all over. if you like clouds on the perimeter of our area. right now, 84 at harbor and at right now, 84 at harbor and at the airports. i can smile, i can carry on our conversatio

r boyce and source of research -- our voice and source of research is how to make government responsible and provide people with their needs. host: you are described as a left-of-center organizations. >> progress of, left-of-center, people use all types of terms. our goal is to help people that needed the most. host: now to the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. how are you? >> michigan has had its share of troubles. what is your perspective? caller: we should get a petition going and have our senators, governors, representatives, mayors taking a cut in pay, taking a cut in their medical benefits as well. by the way, we don't have a pension plan at the end of their term anymore. that is all i would like to say about that. guest: i'm not here to defend any party or politician. i understand the frustration. but in this current crisis. it was caused by the fact that the recession has dramatically and historical driven down the tax revenues the states used to provide public services. it is always tempting to find a villain or someone to place the blame. that is the crisis

boyce mentioned, we're all shaped by our personal experiences. and everybody would have had a different view on the words that would have been spoken. and i think that would have been a mistake. overall, this event may end up on the mt. rushmore of racial explosi explosions, if you will, with rodney king and other things. but, until we begin to have these kinds of conversations on a regular basis, sometimes said, sometimes heated, but hopefully with an open mind, we're not going to get where we need to be. and that's a disappointment. >> the professor's thoughts on the meetings which were described in an article that he wrote for "the root.com," he said, there's reason to hope that many people have emerged with greater sympathy of the daily perils of policing on the one hand and for genuine fears about racial profiling on the other hand. is that a lesson taken out of the meeting? >> it's a lesson for all of us if we choose to go to school and observe that lesson. my dad was a cop for 25 years and it gave me a unique perspective on the ups and dow

boyce, what was your reaction to the president speaking out today? i think some people in the press corps were caught offguard when he walked into the briefing room. >> yeah. i think the president made the right move. i think that any logical person knows that you don't start a very damning statement by saying that skip gates is my friend. i'm probably biased and i don't have all the facts. but they behaved stupidly. not only was that literally like a verbal war strike on this department, which probably led to some heads rolling. it was also undermined by his admission that he didn't know the facts. president obama's a smart guy and he knows when he makes mistakes. unlike rush limbaugh, he admits when he screws up. i think he handled this very well. i think that what has to happen now is we've got to open up the broader dialog. right now this situation is between crowley and gates. and you know what? this may not even be about race. this may be about egos. this may be more of a class issue than a race issue. but there is a broader race issue that we

. >> professor boyce watkins, thank you. candy crowley as well. thank you. >>> a lot more online at ac360.com. right now, a live chat and views from david gergen. he's writing tonight about president obama's hope to turn this one into a teachable moment. that's online right now. >>> coming up, the clues police think they uncovered when they searched jackson's doctor's office. > office. others buy the car of their dreams. during the lexus golden opportunity sales event, you can do both. it's an opportunity today. it's a lexus forever. special lease offers now available on the 2009 is 250. >>> just ahead, a police dog whose handler played him off as a fooling-proof tracking machine. his nose put at least one innocent man behind bars for a long time. i'll show you how the truth eventually came out. >>> an american dead in a firefight of insurgents. nearly 700 u.s. troops have died in the region since 2001. u.s. and british officials said this week they remain committed to staying in afghanistan. despite rising casualties and declining support for the

i know you work with the church and you have two boyce. what else could you tell us about your family? >> my husband is a residential designer. he draws houses for a living. >> reporter: her two boys are nine and five. this, their family picture. >> and we have room. >> reporter: what would you want to say to the viewers? >> we are not kidding. >> i know this letter may never reach you and i pray it does. you will know you have choices. >> reporter: sergeant hill says he plans to get the letter to the child just to let her know. >> people care in this country very much about what happens. >> i hope she knows. that's all. i just hope she knows. >> it is so incredible to see how people have responded to this story. just to reiterate, the little girl is not up for adoption. right now, she is in foster care while police and child services continue to investigate the case. we will stay totally close to this story and let you know what has happened. we will be back here tomorrow. i am kyra phillips, thanks for joining us. rick sanchez takes it f

those four boyce, ages 9 to 14 charged of gang raping a little 8-year-old girl. the girls family apparently blamed her. we started talking about this two weeks ago. we have been following this story every day. when we interviewed the liberian president, you may remember, we interviewed her live. now, members of phoenix' liberian community are getting involved themselves as well. marissa win gait has been following the story from us. she is from our affiliate kppk. she brings us an update today. >> reporter: it was an alleged gang rape of an eight-year-old liberian refugee inside this shed that started it all. >> it started here as an event in an apartment complex has now blown into a full international event. >> reporter: so the liberian community, including the victim's father and even the mother of one of the four young suspects showed up to meet with police and we did too. >> they are not prepared to issue a statement today. they are not prepared to issue a statement today. >> reporter: while community representatives did not want the family to talk to us or e

[applause] >> thank you, doctor boyce davies. i met ama ata aidoo about 20 years ago when i was directing the national black writers conference and invited her to speak, and was really impressed with her. and much of what you say, have said there, doctor boyce davies, resonates with me on meeting her. we're going to move now to another professor here, and this is doctor nana holy who is assistant professor of english at indiana university, or are you associate professor? she was born in ghana and she is an accomplished artist who comes over tree, dance and fashion design among her means of expression. doctor hoying will. paul: is about the politics of motherhood and ama ata aidoo's work. [applause] >> good afternoon. i want to begin -- yes, some allows are short and nobody thinks about us. and did we forget ourselves how short we are when we come up to tall people. [laughter] >> i'm glad i recognize that. i am one of the few people -- well, i possibly the only people here who can claim i have been blessed to know ama ata aidoo. s

i want to go back to boyce walker. do you think race had anything to do with how this arrest went off the rail? >> i think that it could have but the problem is that when you're talking about something so serious that's going to affect a person's career you can't go based on what you think happened. you have to look at the evidence and look at the facts. that's why when this event took place, and i know skip gates, but my father has been in law enforcement for 25 years so i've seen both sides very closely. i've been a black man for a really long time now. i said to myself, richelle, what happened? let me interview some cops and find out the procedure. let me listen to what skip has to say and then i'm going to come to my own conclusion. what i've concluded is the cop may or may not have abused his authority. he may have made a discretionary decision to arrest professor gates which he could have easily walked away from. i think we agree on that. but what was in his mind when he made the arrest none of us will ever know.

. >> professor boyce watkins, enjoyed having you on. again, thank you very much. candy crowley as well. thank you. >>> a lot more online at ac360.com. right now, a live chat and views from david gergen. who has seen these kind of photo opts from the inside of the white house. he's writing tonight about president obama's hope to turn this one into a teachable moment. that's online right now. >>> coming up, the clues police think they uncovered when they searched jackson's doctor's home and office. names, aliases and he had a lot of them. how many other doctors they could be looking into. >>> later, the german shepard whose nose said a man was a murderer. dekds later, otherwise. >>> just ahead, a police dog whose handler played him off as a fooling-proof tracking machine. it was all a lie. his nose put at least one innocent man behind bars for a long time. how the truth ultimately came out. erica hill with the 360 bulletin. >>> an american dead in a fire fight with insurgents. nearly 700 u.s. troops have died in the region since 2001. u.s. and british officials said

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david boyce and his team organized it from 1970 all the way through. there was no evidence whatever to justify their claim. >> and you started cco for what reason? >> you have to go back to 1970, when we were creating aig, a public company -- or private company, c.v. starr & company and aiuo an overseas network of agencies were sold ultimately to aig. sico, star international -- we changed the name to star international. got aig shares for that. and a major part of the shares we got, all of us who owned stock -- >> several investors. >> yeah. were setting this aside so we can buy other companies, we can control aig with these shares. including, if we wished to, always -- we retained the right to do or not do something. it was our option. since we owned the stock. >> it was a private company. >> yeah. create possibly an inincentive program. it wasn't a pension plan. aig had their own pension plan. and so we did. and because by doing that it benefitted cico, if aig about-d well, cico did well. when i left aig, cico's net worth was $20 billion dollars. to

what do you have to say about what you have heard with regard to these young liberian boyce allegedly gang raping this 8-year-old girl? >> let me say that we are deeply distressed at this behavior on the part of our young liberians and very saddened at this 8-year-old child who has been so victimized. we appeal to the parents to protect their children, protect their child and make sure that those who have enfringed upon her in this manner. let me say that rape is a problem in liberia also. this is why we have made it a criminal offense. there is a strong law regarding that. you cannot even get bail. so those parents should know that things have changed in liberia. no longer do we tolerate this. this is not a question of shame on the family. it is the question of an assault on a young child. that cannot be tolerated. >> madam president, that's what's so heart wrenching about this case is it is this battle with culture and with crime. we don't know why these boys committed this crime. we want to ask that question. did they learn this type of behavior in liberia where rape is used as a t

along with ranking members sessions, i am very glad to welcome tim askew and mary boyce. tim is mary is the aba lead evaluator on its investigation into the judge sotomayor's qualifications to be an associate justice on the supreme court of the united states. ranking member and i both look forward to their testimony. if i ask them to please stand and be sworn, we will begin. >> do you affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you god? please be seated. you may proceed with your statements. >> good afternoon and thank you for having us. chair of the standing committee on the federal judiciary, this is mary boys, our second representative and she was a lead evaluator on the investigation of judge sotomayor. we are honored to appear here today to explain the standing committee's evaluation of this nominee. the standing committee gave her its highest rating, and unanimously found that she was well qualified. for 60 years the standing committee conducted a thorough nonpartisan peer review in which we did not

. >> back now digging deep with professor boyce watkins and roland martin. does it make sense to have these two men get together at the white house over this? >> well, look, the president extends the invitation. i think what makes sense is that they actually get together because -- >> it does seem as if from the police officer's standpoint, according to his friend, the fellow officer, he's ready to move on. it seems as if professor gates or his representative is kind of moving back a little bit from some of the stronger rhetoric that we heard early on. do you think -- >> no. actually, they are not moving back. skip gates said when soledad o'brien interviewed him, he is leaving all his options open. if the officer did apologize as a christian he would accept that. >> his attorney is not saying it is not so much about a race incident. >> first of all, i also spoke with professor charles ogletree and that's not what we talked about. i can only go on what i've heard from charles ogletree who is skip gates' attorney. again, they said their options are, indeed, st

what's going to happen to this little girl who police say was brutally gang raped by four boyce in phoenix, their ages 9 to 14, they're accused of luring her into a storage shed with bubble gum. she's 8 and they took turns assaulting her. the dilemma right now, her own family initially shunned her. the family and the suspects all from liberia and in liberia, rape was not a crime till swix. last week, the girl's mom went on camera, denying the attack ever happened. police say her dad first told them to take her away. today we learned the state is keeping the little girl in foster care for at least another three months. we have our expert panel standing by on this one. steve kardian, former police detective, paul penzone, director at child health, a non-profit group for victims of child abuse. anita kay, and thelma gutierrez from cnn joins us by phone reporting from phoenix. thelma is on the ground there. thelma, what is the latest with this little 8-year-old victim? >> mike, i can tell you that right now, what we've heard is that the little girl is in foster care. she's been removed from th

. >> well, here to continue the debate is boyce watkins, he's in syracuse this morning, we also have michael eric dyson, radio host and sociology professor at georgetown university. thanks to both of you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> also this morning, we had a chance for the first time to hear from sergeant crowley himself. the president also saying that he understands that crowley is a quote outstanding police officer. did the president make a mistake by weighing in on this controversy? >> well, i would say that it's not necessarily good to start off by saying that skip gates is a friend, i'm probably biassed, i don't know all of the facts, but the department behaved stupidly. you know, that's just not a barack obama kind of statement to make. and i think that the president has to understand that he's launched an absolute verbal nuclear war strike on this little police department. and it only makes things worse. and i think that president obama realized what he did wrong, i'm a supporter of president obama, and i think that, you know, he made a mistake like all o

state treasurer, kevin boyce, is here. your secretary of state, jennifer bruner, is here. the mayor of the great city of cleveland, frank jackson is here. shaker heights mayor, earl liken, is here. the shaker heights school soup end ten dant, mark freeman, is here. not here but a couple of my favorite people, congresswoman marsha fudge and share on brown couldn't be here. they have work to do in washington. it is good to be back in the great state of ohio. now, i know there are those who like to report on the back and forth in washington but my only concern is the people who sent us to washington. the families feeling the pain of this recession. the folks i have met across this country who have lost jobs and savings and health insurance but haven't lost hope. the citizens who defied the senate and the sceptics who went to the polls to demand real and lasting change, change was the cause of my campaign. it is the cause of my presidency. when my administration came into office, we were facing the worst economy since the great depression. we were losing an average of 700,000

knew that the exams, they knew where the exams certified the mayor would incur the rath of reverend boyce kimber and other members of the african-american community. you decided that based on their claim of potential desperate impact liability that there is no recourse, that the city was justified in disregarding the exams and, thus, denying these firefighters, many of whom suffered hardship in order to study and to prepare for these examinations and were successful only to see that hard work and effort disregarded and not even acknowledged in the court's opinion. and, ultimately, as you know, the supreme court said that you just can't claim potential desperate impablt liability as a city and then deny someone a promotion based on the color of their skin. there has to be a strong basis in evidence. but you didn't look to see if there was a basis in evidence to the city's claim. your summary opinion unpublished summary order didn't even discuss that. don't you think that these firefighters and other litigants deserve a more detailed analysis of their claims and an explanation for why you u

boyce, i'm thinking that the nation is not going to see this. it's going be a private conversation. we may have some opinions about outcomes and what happened, but is this the right forum for the conversation on race? >> i'll take any forum i can get. i simply wish he hasn't begun the conversation on race by saying i don't -- skip gates is my friend, because it sounds like you're defending your harvard crony and it becomes a class issue as a race issue. we need to take it back to the people. the politicians aren't going to do it. we need to leverage this moment and create parties and conversations around the country where we can honestly talk about race. the marriage in the american family between whites and blacks is one that requires us to forgive and be honest and really talk about the real issues if we're going to make any progress. >> very quickly, would you like to see this take place at a more public forum than a picnic table at the oval office? >> i don't have a problem with the setting right now provided it leaves with something public afterwards. they don't need to have th

so i'm getting all these e-mails in my box saying, boyce, you're becoming an uncle tom because you're not jumping on our side here. >> that's harsh. >> well, you know, it happens. a hustle's dream is a hater's nightmare. effect live, that's going to happen. but the reality is, though, that a lot of people were reacting based on preconceived notions of race and preconceived perceptions of police officers that may or may not be true. most people who hate police officers don't really know much about what police officers -- >> boyce, i'm going to have to wrap you there, but hold on. we're going to continue on the other side of the break. just as the temperature of this gates/crowley thing was cooling down, that nasty e-mail from a boston police officer surfaces. d