rudy giuliani. >> what are your plans? >> after his first loss in years, michael phelps is back on top but yet another swimsuit controversy. >> hi, everybody, those are the big questions tonight. but we start, as we always do with the mash-up. our look at all of the stories making an impact right now. the moment you may missed today. we're watching it all so you don't have to. we began tonight with the woman whose 911 call triggered a racial firestorm. she's breaking her silence today. lucia whalen called the cops on henry louis gates. since then said she's living a nightmare because of reports that two black men tried to break into the home. whalen didn't bring up race at all. her news conference highly emotional. here's the clip. >> when i was called racist, and i was a target, of scorn and ridicule because of the things i never said, the criticism hurt me as a person. i hope now that the truth of the tapes, will help heal the cambridge community as much as it has helped to restore my representati

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rudy giuliani says what the president has done is even worse than giuliani's worst nightmare. what does the senior adviser to the president, david axelrod, have to say? both men are here this hour in "the situation room." >>> and supreme surprise. a conservative senator who grilled sonia sotomayor makes a big announcement. i'm wolf blitzer in cnn's command center for breaking news, extraordinary reports from around the world. you're in "the situation room." >>> it will be a climax and a political cliffhanger that will unfold on prime-time television in about four hours. the president will step to the podium and tackle a huge challenge he says affects the helle and financial well-being of every american. health care reform. some republicans openly talk of breaking the president on this issue. some democrats say there's a long way to go to reform. and many of you are not yet sold on the president's health care ideas. our senior congressional correspondent, dana bash, is watching all this on capitol hill, but let's go to our senior white house correspondent, ed henry over at the

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joining us now, the former mayor of new york city, potential governor of new york, rudy giuliani. i can always hope, right? >> i hope there's no hope for the health care plan this year. sean: i'm talking about you for governor. >> we can hope next year. but this would be irreversible. so far the damage that the obama administration has done to our economy is very, very serious. i think more than any president has done ever in a short period of time. but most of it's reversible. it's about spening money, it's about deficits, it's about ultimately inflation. this would be almost irreversible. you put anywhere from 20 million to 50 million on government cooperative nationalized health care, it's going to be very hard to get them off. medicaid has never been able to be reformed. medicaid got started. costs are out of control. when i was mayor, new york city pays 25% of the medicaid bill. i think at that time it was $2.5 billion and rising. very, very hard to control it. so this we have to fight and we have to stop it. sean: it seems that there is this pattern that is just emerging amo

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with us now the former mayor of new york city, rudy giuliani. thank you. >> nice to be with you. >> i keep thinking, are you going to run for governor? >> i don't know. i haven't made a decision like you did. >> i made a decision i'm not running. so i can give you an answer. i'm not running. are you? >> i don't know yet. >> do you think you can fok off paterson. >> i have no idea. >> andrew cuomo, he's tougher, isn't he? he's tougher than paterson. >> andrew cuomo is ahead of governor paterson. who knows. >> you're a vote behind. you're beating paterson. how are you doing with cuomo. >> a little behind. but you can beat him. you endorsed his dad. >> maybe his dad will endorse me if i run. >> let me ask you about health care tonight. you're a republican. is this a partisan issue, opposition to the president's health care plan? like demint says, beat him and make it his waterloo like he's napoleon or somebody. >> i think there's an issue of principle for me. i think the president is making a fundamental mistake and going to ruin our health care sy

and what does giuliani think, if anything, about the skip gates case? it may surprise you. that and a lot more coming up next. you're watching msnbc live. i'm carlos watson. at 155 miles per hour, andy roddick has the fastest serve in the history of professional tennis. so i've come to this court to challenge his speed. ...on the internet. i'll be using the 3g at&t laptopconnect card. he won't. so i can book travel plans faster, check my account balances faster. all on the go. i'm bill kurtis and i'm faster than andy roddick. (announcer) "switch to the nations fastest 3g network" "and get the at&t laptopconnect card for free". >>> welcome back to msnbc live. i'm carlos watson. >>> now former republican presidential candidate rudy giuliani says president obama's health care proposal will drive costs up. the mayor and i had a fairly spirited conversation yesterday. in fact, we talked about a variety of things, including the president's agenda. the president's plan for health care reform and whether giuliani is getting ready for a big run for governor next year. take a listen.

first up, rudy giuliani takes sides again. famous or infamous for always siding with police, former new york mayor rudolph giuliani did it again last night as he positioned himself opposite from president obama on the professor gates episode and what we can learn from it. >> he's actually right. it is teachable. here is the lesson. shut up. also, shut up when a cop is asking you questions. how about you don't insult them, you don't yell, you don't scream. my father taught me that when i was young. i grew up in brooklyn. it was a good lesson. >> the mayor is right about what you're supposed to say to a police officer, but what about what a police officer is supposed to say and do to you, how he's supposed to treat all people the same. that's the question the president tried, rightly or wrongly, to answer. >>> next up, my old boss tip o'neill once noted all politics is local. what does a number like this mean for the once popular governor of alaska? look at that number. 48% of alaskans now have negative feelings about governor p

. >> three years ago, giuliani was the front runner. >> some of the issues that governor palin has is whether she has experience. the same questions were asked of president obama. when he changed the debate is that this is about judgment. people are questioned her spirits and her judgment. she needs to start moving into the front page and not the entertainment page. >> she has a following. there are other serious candidates out there. mitt romney is probably the front runner and no one is talking about him. sean: i think that newt gingrich is up there. >> is a summertime poll three years out. don't read into it. >> she is interesting. >> i say, nominator her. sean: there are certain people that just connect with an audience. i remember watching arnold schwarzenegger give a speech, he was entertaining, informative. i have watched her connect with an audience. it is a real connection. >> rudy giuliani did that as well and this does not translate into votes in the primaries. >sean: if the economy continues to decline under barack obama, whoever the republican candidate is will have a gre

. >> when ann coulter and rudy giuliani are the voice of reason you know the republicans got hijacked. >>> and more than a month after the death of michael jackson, a custody settlement is reached. and michael jackson has another child. an older biological one. >> michael jackson, dance michael jackson. >> but who's getting custody of sarah palin? a new poll says most americans don't want her in the white house ever. almost half of republicans agree. maybe she has a future in poetry? cue the tweet. >> no threat down here ever, but instant rain reminds us no rain, no rainbow. >> all that and more now on "countdown." >>> good evening from new york. i'm richard wolffe. keith olbermann has the night off. on hot summer evening the kind of night washington, d.c. is famts for this time of year, who doesn't enjoy winding down way beer or two? in our first story on the "countdown" calming off with a few cold ones in the white house rose garden. how president obama held a beer summit with harvard professor henry louis gates and the police officer who arrested him, is the james crowley. beer del

. >> rudy giuliani, his thoughts on the obama administration. >> this administration has shown no ability to cut anything. it's increased spending in many areas three and four times in six months. it's increased spending more than any administration in our history. i don't see how the american people buys the idea that this president is going to turn into a conservative manager of an entitlement program called health care. >> you'll catch the entire conversation of rudy giuliani here tomorrow. back with one-on-one conversation with ultimate presidential adviser vernon jordan. g b >>> a lot of disappointment right now. and kids graduating from college, they have no jobs, nowhere to go. and they think obama is like, you know, the magic potion that's going to make this happen. and like i said before, you know, the job of president's a tough job and you learn it as you go. and like most politicians, unfortunately, he's a politician. he made some promises, hopefully he can keep them. >> i sat down with academy award nominee samuel l. jackson for a one on one on a wide range of topics and he w

i heard mayor rudy giuliani. he has great health care. the problem is that most people in this country are paying more and more every year to get less and less under the current system. that's why we have to change it. brian: 90% of americans have health insurance. >> right. and they need insurance reform because they are paying more and more. they are getting less and less. if they have a preexisting condition, they are excluded. if they guest sick, there are rescissions and insurance companies can say you know what? we didn't know you were going to get cancer we are not covering you anymore. that's simply not right and that's why we need reform. steve: david axelrod, it's about to rain in washington. >> thanks you guys. brian: 22 minutes before the top of the hour. what do you want to talk about now? steve: i think it's time. brian: finally, i was saying on my way to work yesterday, no, i have nothing to say. alisyn: how about secretary of state hillary clinton because she is wrapping up meetings in thailand as part of her tour of asia.

rudy giuliani who oversaw new york's response to 9/11 tells me what he thinks the u.s. should do about it. >>> almost eight years after 9/11, they're still out there. terrorists are being train and recruited from places like baghdad and kabul. and now they're being recruited in of all places, minneapolis, right in the heartland of america. let's bring in our own brian todd, just back from minneapolis with a very disturbing story and disturbing images. brian? >> an fbi official says they've never dealt with anything like this. it started out as a couple of missing person's cases has evolved into what authorities are calls one of the most significant anti-terrorism investigations inside the u.s. since 9/11. jamal bonno was the kind of son a modest immigrant family pins its hopes on. 20 years old, the oldest of seven, a college student studying engineering, preparing to live the american dream. last fall, his family said, suddenly with no warning, jamal disappeared. a few days later the phone rang. a local community activists translated for the boy's mother. >> he said, i'

former new york city mayor rudy giuliani and toure and more join me this morning. and i go one-on-one with the actor samuel l. jackson. >>> first, the top headlines. two american service members killed in bomb attack in afghanistan. 59,000 troops are in afghanistan double the same number a year ago. >>> police say suicide bombers who struck luxury hotels in ind knee sha planted a third bomb but it malfunctioned. >>> total of 44 people have been arrested in the connection with a massive and unusual corruption and money laundering ring in new jersey. the mayors of hoboken and secaucus and ridgefield were arrested along with a rabbi. >>> tim geithner versus ben bernanke will both tell the house financial services committee why he should be in charge of protecting american consumers. >>> each day, you know i invite a guest host to stay with me for the hour. when i'm in maximum trouble, i always turn to mort zuckerman of "u.s. news and world report." a lot to talk about. how close have you followed the gates case? >> i have followed it closely. i know skip gates for, i

rudy giuliani just said that costs are going to go up under the plan. well, you know what, costs are going to go up anyway. right now we're spending $2.5 trillion on health care. that will go to $7 trillion in 2025 if we do nothing at all, so the president wants to get this donnell so we can try to save some of that money and get it out of american's pockets. >> he had an unscripted moment where he said if you want to guarantee more people uninsured, going to guarantee higher costs and more suffering for more people and not necessarily better care, we've got that plan, it's the status quo. >> yeah, christine, i think the problem the president has right now, though, despite what jamal said, the public opinion polling shows continued decline in support for this plan. it's like the more americans get to know what's actually in this bill -- by the way, it's a 1,200-page bill, so a lot of us still don't know what's in it. but the more we start to glean what's in it, support is eroding. i think one of the biggest problems is the way they pay for this trillion

bennett will join us. 7:30 eastern, david axelrod, and 7:38 real hear from former new york mayor rudy giuliani about all this. >>> it's coming up on the half hour and checking the top stories. police in cambridge, mass marks quote, acted stupidly when they arrested henry louis gates jr. after a confrontation at his home. gates insists he was arrested because he was black and is considering legal action if he doesn't get an apology. the president says the incident shows how race remains a factor in america. >>> in a few minutes we'll talk with the cambridge mayor about the case. >>> secretary of state hillary clinton is calling on asian nations to vigorously enforce the u.n. sanction against north korea after the north said that it will not resume six-party talks to end its nuclear program. that announcement came from pyongyang at a security conference in thailand where the deep-rooted antinorth korean policy of the u.s. for the reason why they rejected the talks. >>> it reads like the plot of a thriller. new york man accused of giving al qaeda leaders information about the new york city transi

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rudy giuliani, former presidential candidate talking to me about president obama and future of gop. and then a look of life behind bars for fraud mastermind p. burney madoff. you hear how he pulled offer the scheme and how he's spending his days in prison. plus today's big stories coming up, lou. >> thanks, campbell. we'll be right back.

and he brought a suit against the city, against the police department, giuliani, saying that his first amendment rights were violated because he should be free as a republican ploy to speak his mind, especially when he is doing so from his own home anonymously. the majority of the panel said, of import -- "no, you do not have a claim." they mentioned a case where they said you have to weigh the value of the speech against to the needs of government or the department of government, like a police department, to operate and have effected employees. and they say having a bigoted cops is not a good thing, so they fired him and his rights do not come back. the judge dissented, and what is interesting about this is that there has been a lot of talk about her own background, her ethnic background, gender, influence and her in her decision. what concerns her is, it is she going to take her back and see everything through that lens and never have said that before people who do not look like her? in this case, she said, "i think this police officer, as repulses me by his speech, has a first amend

tomorrow david axlerod, lindsay graham, rudy giuliani among others in "the situation room." let's go to lou in new york. >> thank, wolf. good evening, everybody. president obama trying to silence his critics and opponents of his controversial health care plan. the president declares the time for talk is through. we'll have the very latest on poll numbers and rising opposition to health care. opponents of the president's health care proposals refusing to be intimidated. polls show the president losing support dramatically. we'll examine this increasingly nasty battle in our faceoff debate here tonight. >>> a rising number of gun owners across the country say the president is threatening their second amendment rights. they're rushing out to gun shops to buy ammunition. we'll have a special report on what is now a critical nationwide shortage of ammunition. >>> we begin tonight with the president's last ditch efforts to sell his health care plan. president obama made another public statement trying to convince skeptical lawmakers to pass proposals before the august recess, his

when rudy giuliani did things like that in new york, people were outraged. it isn't the role of the leader to be the arbitrator on the specific case as opposed to the perfectly legitimate issue of raising the broader problem. >> here he is i think getting back to true north. here is president obama late this afternoon about the invitation -- it was proffered by crowley, the cop, who had -- what do you call it -- the chutzpah to say why don't you have us over for a beer. here he is responding to that proposition. >> at the end of the conversation there was a discussion about -- in my conversation with sergeant crowley, there was suggestion about he and i and professor gates having a beer here in the white house. we don't know if that's scheduled yet, but we may put that together. >> okay. here is the question to you, dominic, my friend, it's late tonight. it's 11:00 tonight. we're in a saloon somewhere in new york. a couple african-american guys sitting aroundings old friend, they've had a couple beers each, and they're talking about this thing. what are they

plus, rudy giuliani on a new tear ef threat in the american heartland. all that and a lot more coming up in "the situation room." >> looking forward to it, wolf. thank you, sir. >>> and the literally world lost a best-selling author. leyland harris died thursday night on a business trip to los angeles. no word on the cause of his death. harris will be remembered for novels that introduced millions of readers to the life of affluent gay black men. his characters masculine and sometimes tomorrowmented living two lives. his book signings were often standing room only. >>> eventually became one of the world's most popular writers with 4 million books in print. e. lynne harris, dead at the age of 64. >>> left this on one of her friend's desk and never came back. >> that didn't stop him from chasing a dream to go to college. his story coming up. lots of discounts on car insurance. can i get in on that? are you a safe driver? yes. discount! do you own a home? yes. discount! are you going to buy online? yes! discount! isn't getting discounts great? yes! there's

through the ranks and if anything was not political enough to survive under the previous mayor, rudy giuliani and has been the leading police chief in the nation and leading anti-terrorist police chief in the nation. >> and i've watched him change his position on issues vofrg the second amendment because he works for mayor bloomberg. now i can tell you this, you talk to police families, they know at the scene of the crime there are only two people there, the criminal and the victim. they do not want their families to be defenseless. they know they come in despite all the good intentions after the fact. when seconds matter despite all their good intentions, the police are minutes away. and the american public wants to be able to protect themselves. it's a very core of american consciousness is a fundamental root belief that i have a right to protect myself. senator schumer may not agree with that. michael bloomberg, despite he has armed security may not agree with that, but i'll tell you the american people agree with it. and we're going to be back and we will win this and make this a law of t

. >>> then also two very well-known republicans, newt gingrich, and rudy giuliani will be giving competing speeches on the economy. >> did you find anything wrong with the president's jeans? >> david, i found nothing wrong with those jeans. yes, if he were going out clubbing someone might have something wrong -- >> that's what i said. >> but when you're 47, 48, 49 years old or even older, you're looking pretty good i think -- >> mark murray, nbc news deputy political director and fashionista. >> and a texan. >> and a texan. >> make sure to check out first read first thing every morning. it's updated throughout the day. logon to firstread.msnbc.com. >> no muffin tops here. i'm tamron hall. >> i'm david shuster. up next, "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. >>> deal or no deal? that's the health care question. let's play "hardball." >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, let's make a deal. can president obama get a health care deal? today the president said we're closer than ever to overhauling the country's health care system. he's trying to cre

our incomes there have only been a handful of well-known prosecutors be it dewy in the '40s and rudy giuliani in the '80s and patrick fitsgerald more recently. what does it take for a prosecutor to say i don't care whether they are powerful on the other side, whether the gambino crime family, i'm going after them. why don't we see it more? >> i think you need to stand up to powerful interests. as eric holder is doing, his wos boss said we don't want to open the issue but holder says the law requires we ask the difficult questions and i think eric holder is saying to himself our obligation to democracy, our obligation to glx is we democracy is we draw the right conclusions. whether you prosecute at the end of that remains to be determined by the record. eric holder is doing the right thing in my view saying we need to get the facts out there. >> what kind of pressure comes down on you, though? he is not the first to do this. tell us what happens. are you getting a call from your boss? >> when i was attorney general of new york state i was lucky i didn't have a boss. technically i worked for th

this is the case called pappas versus giuliani. you considered claims of a police employee who was fired for distributing terribly bigoted and racist materials. first, what did you think of the speech in question that this officer was distributing? >> nobody, including the police officer, was claiming that the speech wasn't offensive, racist, and insulting. there was a question about what his purpose was in sending the letter, but my opinion dissent in that case pointed out that offensiveness and racism of the letter, but i issued a dissent from the majority's affirmance of his dismissal from the police department because of those letters. >> right. as i understand it, you wrote that what the actual literature that the police officer was distributing was, quote, patently offensive, hateful, and insulting, but you also noted that, quote, and this is your words in a dissent where the majority was on the other side, quote, three decades of jurisprudence and the centrality of first amendment freedoms in our lives, that's your quote, th

. >>> we're also going to talk with rudy giuliani. be sure to join us, all of that coming up tomorrow night. have a good one, everybody. we'll see you back here, then. "larry king live" starting right now.

also, rudy giuliani joins us at this table. we're going to ask rudy tough questions such as whether he agrees with those on the right now raising hell that president obama is an undocumented alien of some kind. some enter hoper who managed to get through the electoral system without anyone know. wealth have more on the strange crowd known as the birthers, the people who refuse to believe again on that topic against all evidence that barack obama was not born in the usa. >> i want to go back to january 20 and i want to know why were you people ignore his birth certificate. he is not an american citizen. he is a citizen of kenya. >> i should say refused to believe that he was born in the usa. last night, republican john camp bell of california admitted ne

giuliani. >> thank you, mr. president. you have said the recent bank profits indicate that there's been no sense of remorse on wall street for risky behavior, that we haven't seen a change of culture there. do you think that your administration needs to be taking a harder line on -- with wall street? and also, would you consider going a step further than your regulatory reform proposals and supporting a fee on risky activities that go beyond traditional lending? >> we were on the verge of a complete financial meltdown, and the reason was because wall street took extraordinary risks with other people's money, they were peddling loans that they knew could never be paid back, they were flipping those loans and leveraging those loans and higher and higher mountains of debt were being built on loans that were fundamentally unsound, and all of us now are paying the price. now, i believe it was the right thing to do, as unpopular as it is, it was the right thing for us to do to step in to make sure that the financial system did n

giuliani thinks it was right to allow the change. >> you know who is running against him? >> i think i know where you're going. >> i heard joe is running against him. >> it's the naked cowboy. the naked cowboy. the guy in his underwear. he wants to run against the mayor and he says that what he does is about transparency. >> it is. cowboy boots and -- >> i can't believe mike didn't know that. >> it was on the inside of "the new york post." >> well done, mike. let's talk national politics. the president of the united states when he was just candidate barack obama, he said we're going to put an end to special interests. no more lobbying in my white house. how are the lobbists doing? >> they are doing just fine. they're not having to run around in their underwear. they can get nice suits. as an unintended, lobbyists called grassroots lobbying which is where normal people give their views. some told us every ceo wants their own mini obama campaign, so they're going to the firms and say, why can't you do for me like the obama campaign did, all this cool stuff, facebook, whateve

i think actually rudy giuliani and candy make a good point. this is his friend. henry louis gates jr. is one of the foremost scholars in america. i think anybody who puts themselves in that situation puts themselves in dr. gates' shoes would be pretty angry, frankly. and actually, one of the criticisms i've had of president obama is he's a lit tool cool, a little too mr. spock, not enough passion. now we've seen some passion. maybe he'll apply that to health care and other things, but i think it's good when a powerful person is still angry at potential abuse of power. you know, i think that's a good sign that he's still on our side even though he's the most powerful man in the world. >> in an interview he just conducted with abc news, he seems to be backing off a little bit, alex, reading now from an associated press story that just moved in from cleveland, he said he doesn't take back his words but he allowed and understood that the sergeant who made the arrest is, quote, an outstanding police officer. i have to say, i am surprised by the controversy surrounding

nobody calls and rudy giuliani a guinea, but somebody said that to mario cuomo in 1992. now you would say that. megyn: not a nice term, but that word is allowed to come out of your mouth. this group wants to ban it. they want to make it one of the seventh words you cannot say on television. i would like to say that now that we know, we are concerned. but people might say midget on the air, they might have no idea how offensive it is. then to be slapped with a fine? >> good for you, good for putting it out there. i have told a lot of people. word is getting out. the suggestion that the fcc should add this to the list, absolutely not. >> it will not be added to the list, but they are shooting high. they are shooting high to raise awareness. they are accomplishing their goal. i agree, it will not get on the list, they had to shoot for the stars and if they just reached the moon, they were successful. megyn: well put. little people have little chance of winning any claim against the fcc. as of now, midget is not a ban the term. using it on television is not a problem legally

of new media strategy and former pollster to new york mayor rudy giuliani. welcome to both of you. before we dig in, i want to look at one more poll number. there's a measure that was done by gallup that shows approval ratings of the past 12 presidents. and if we take a look at this, you can see that jimmy carter actually in july of 1979, which is to say about six months into his presidency, he had a 67% approval rating. barack obama has a 55% approval rating. what do you make of that, of those numbers? >> well, i think in a certain sense carter numbers were inflated by watergate. don't think it's a fair apples-to-apples comparison. martha: didn't have the economic situation obama is dealing with. >> absolutely. the economy in the 1970's was not great but there was not that imminent crisis as the way there is now. but i think there's no question that some of the glow of obama and the positive optimism that came from last fall has worn off we're in a tough slog. the economy is creating anxiety i think with the stimulus bill reality is setting in. there's not going to be this quick f

you know what -- giuliani got it right. you know what if we put 27% of our vehicles on the road in america, 27% of the vehicles on our roads in america were gas electric hybrids, we could end our dependence on oil from the middle east. we get 40 orse of our nation's demand from oil from the middle east, opec producing nations. just 27% of the vehicles on the roads of america were gas and electric hybrids we could end our dependence on oil from the middle east. that is a vision that we should all strive for. let me talk to you about one of our colleagues here, mr. paul. i spoke with him about two weeks ago. one of our colleagues here in the house, he said true conservatives and libertarians have no right to pollute their neighbor's property. you have no right to pollute your neighbor's air, water, or anything, and this would all contribute to the protection of all air and water. mr. paul is somewhat of a visionary. because he believes that america , if we make the right investments, we cannot only protect our country, move a

our guest host, former new york mayor rudy giuliani, we'll talk politics, health care, taxes and baseball. randy levin will talk to us about tourism and consumer spending at the ballpark. and u.s. states at the front lines of the financial crisis. pennsylvania governor ed rendell will drop by and we will check in with the man who wants to be new jersey's governor, chris christie trying to unseat jon corzine. the economy the biggest issue on the campaign trail. from wall street to washington, we will cover the issues of the morning with famed business leader steve forbes. we begin at the top of the hour. may i say you looked fantastic yesterday, fascinating to watch all of those stadiums go up. 2012 will be exciting. >> it is. it is. we had the british summer weath weather, rain for everybody. >> yes. >> was good, just to get you prepared for that. >> we will hit the pubs, you know that. >> yeah. that's part of the training, the intense olympic training. >> oh, teach me, oh wise one. >> grasshopper, i will. carl, look forward to it. >> all right. >> boy does that sound like trouble. we sti

let's start with rudy giuliani. he is in. i will mark him as in. >> he is making a lot of money. >> he is working. and then i have a sun. that is from the weather channel. he is in. michael vick, can he come back? >> he served his time. can he do his job? >> jonathan, do you agree with that? >> i don't want to, but he probably will. >> martha stewart is back, right? jim mcgreevey? >> well, if he comes back, he will not come back in politics but some other venue. >> and then bill clinton, he is back, come on! >> he never went away. >> and o.j. simpson was the most interesting one. he was accused of murder. it felt like o.j. was on the edge of finding a version of back for him, and then blew it. >> yeah, i was in las vegas for the last trial that landed him in prison. you had a lot of people out there, but not very many for o.j. when you think about it in the past, there were so many people that stayed on the bandwagon, and i think it just became very old. you had a chance, you could have come back and stayed quiet and stayed i

and he brought a suit against the city, against the police department, giuliani, saying that his first amendment rights were violated because he should be free as a republican ploy to speak his mind, especially when he is doing so from his own home anonymously. the majority of the panel said, of import -- "no, you do not have a claim." they mentioned a case where they said you have to weigh the value of the speech against to the needs of government or the department of government, like a police department, to operate and have effected employees. and they say having a bigoted cops is not a good thing, so they fired him and his rights do not come back. the judge dissented, and what is interesting about this is that there has been a lot of talk about her own background, her ethnic background, gender, influence and her in her decision. what concerns her is, it is she going to take her back and see everything through that lens and never have said that before people who do not look like her? in this case, she said, "i think this police officer, as repulses me by his speech, has a first amend

. >> yeah, a lot of moments like this, black and blue clashing together, and giuliani in particular was not able to be a leader on the issues and made new york bigger, more sort of diverse, and -- >> i think over time, the relationship between the nypd and the minority has gotten better. there is a sensitivity of how you overcome the issues. >> why is the policing culture in america fundamentally one of intimidation? the policing culture in other parts of the world -- go ahead. >> i disagree. >> you disagree with what part? >> with the policing culture here is different than the rest of the world. they don't carry guns. >> i wish it was something horrible, and it's -- >> right. >> my registration is expired or the front plate fell off, and the point is i am not a bad guy. the cop feels obliged. he can walk-up, and say -- >> let me make a point. for many decades, we had higher bun crime rates. if you are a police officer and walk into a violent situation, you are going to be on edge. crime rates have come down. new theories of policing. police officers who said we have a new way of think

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republicans, in 1993, christy whitman got elected governor of new jersey, george allen, virginia, rudy giuliani new york, and los angeles mayor, then an incredible improvement for republicans getting first rate candidates because of the momentum. if you look at the news cited, republicans will win virginia, then new jersey, do you see a similar situation in 2009. >> that's the point. we're already starting to see a little of that now. republicans are getting better recruits in the house that people don't pay attention to. they are getting them because people feel it's a much better environment today than a month ago. i do think if republicans can win in virginia, a big if, and new jersey, less of a big if at that point, that gives them more momentum for recruitment and for money. still at the end of the day i come back to the structural problems for republicans, they have to figure out a way to broaden the party. they have to figure out a way to catch up when it comes to technology and getting voters to turn out. also being able to generate more ideas so they can sort of get back in the game wh