as we go to air, legal executors of jackson's will race to the courthouse to reverse mother katherine jackson's temporary control of jackson's billion dollar empire. reports of an alleged bio mom has resurfaced. in her attempt to seize custody of jackson's multimillion dollar estate and the children. who is she? tonight -- questions mount as police continue investigating jackson's home and those surrounding him at the time of death. the investigation now labeled multipronged. did jackson try to obtain a powerful sedative used during surgery just before his death? and tonight, there will be no public viewing at neverland. music icon, michael jackson, dead at 50. the fate of his three children unknown. >>> michael jackson's will is now on file with a los angeles court. ♪ i'm bad >> striking new voice in michael jackson's death with a shocking story to tell. >> i got this chill through my body. i said michael if you take that medicine you might not wake up. ♪ i'm starting with the man in the mirror ♪ >> he wants katherine jackson his mother to be guardian of his children. >> if she

live with katherine jackson in encino. in the will michael jackson made it clear he wants katherine jackson alone. there are many allegations that michael jackson made about being physically and mentally abused. debbie rowe said to a local reporter in los angeles she wanted to go for custody and seek a restraining order against joe jackson to keep him away from her children. joe jackson saying he wants to be involved is not a good thing for katherine jackson. >> we heard randy kay spoke with a friend of debbie rowe's who says she is not going to roll over. what are her chances. >> there is a presumption for the biological parent? >> even though they have had no relationship? >> she has tried to give away custody, give up her parental rights. yes. there is still a presumption. however, the judge is going to look at a lot of things. don't forget she only has rights with respect to two children. there are three children. you don't want to split up the family. you want to look at what is in their best interest. they have a rel

>> well, katherine jackson filed a petition today, nancy, and in

it was not katherine jackson. what are your thoughts on this? >> exactly. his will specifically stated that he wanted john branca and john mcclane, two trusted, longtime business advisers and friends, of over 30 years, to be the executors of the estate. radaronline.com reported this afternoon that mr. branca and mr. mcclane had been -- sources tell me they've been in talks with the other side, to give allowances to the family, and they said what -- how much money do you guys want? how much money does katherine jackson need for the children? and they were given a number. and it was mutually agreed upon. furthermore, there has been absolutely no evidence brought forward by mr. mcmillan or anyone on katherine jackson's front that he was involved with any of his business affairs. >>> agents from the dea executing a search warrant at dr. conrad murray's houston clinic. then, murray's lawyers release a bombshell. a statement confirming that a potential case of manslaughter is being built against the doctor. who was with michael jackson when he died. the statement

of liberty with katherine jackson. i think they were getting out of the roles royce sedans. >> katherine jackson has custody of the three children, but that could change down the road depending on what debbie rowe decides to do or to push for visitation, but this is the scene inside the staples center where the -- in loving memory, you see that, michael jackson, the king of pop, 1958-2009. >> they are just opening the doors. >> reporter: people are very quiet. they are doing a sound check. i want to tell the viewers, if you hear something loud and out of the way, they are doing a sound and lighting check. just to talk about all the things you were talking about earlier, anderson, as you know, i had a long conversation about john bronca, i was the only reporter to talk to john bronca, he is an executor of michael jackson's assets and will. he managed michael jackson's career at the height of his success. many believe that the only reason michael jackson had anything to leave to his mom and to his children and charity is

. >> if michael jackson was so clear he wanted this guy branca, how come katherine jackson's lawyers were arguing irreparable damage could be done to the estate if these two executors are allowed to take control? >> i think frankly that was just lawyer talk. that combative attitude seems to have faded over the course of the day. i think everyone knows that michael jackson's estate, the long-term financial interest is in much better shape with john branca, a very sophisticated long time music executive rather than katherine jackson in charge. they still want some control over how the estate is exploited but i just don't think there is any doubt the judge is going to leave jackson's wishes intact and leave branca in charge. >> let's talk about the investigation. more search warrants executed. investigators focusing on several doctors who prescribed drugs to jackson. at this point what do you think they are looking for? >> there are all sorts of ways this process can be abused. are there multiple names? were there legitimate reasons to give prescriptions. were there multiple prescriptio

it seems to me katherine jackson doesn't have a leg to stand on. to you, leonard lee, you're the estate attorney. why is she so dead set of getting control of this estate? and why did the executors have to put up $1 million bond out of their own pockets? >> well, first of all, remember, she's married to joseph. joseph thinks he controls the estate. he wants the money. he was out there right after the death of michael. and with respect to the million dollars, i don't think it was enough. basically what they're saying is if the executors are in full control, what if they commit some kind of breach of fiduciary duty? how is the estate going to be protected? the court said $1 million should be enough. i don't think it's enough. this estate is worth billions of dollars. >> i want to go to mary margaret, senior news radio radaronline. i want to ask you about the chef. what do we know about this chef? what did the chef, the personal chef to michael jackson, see or hear? >> the chef was with michael jackson about a month in may and what was interesting is

the question is, can katherine jackson reach a deal before it goes to the judge. matt, that seems like a pretty good place to leave it for. you. >> it really is, jeff. thank you. with us exclusively with the attorney for katherine jackson, londell mcmillan, who's also represented stars like prince, stevie wonder and others. that's the question right now, do you have a deal in place between katherine jackson and debbie rowe prior to this august 3rd custody hearing? >> well, good morning, matt. i want to adjust your language about a deal. we have been working on an agreement and i want to say that the parties have been very responsible, debbie rowe, her lawyers, mrs. jackson. they've been very thoughtful, very caring and very prudent. and we do believe that we're close to reaching an agreement and the swirling speculation is just swirling speculation. >> is it a financial agreement, londell? >> the agreement is a custody agreement. this -- whatever the agreement will be will not be based on money. that was not the -- >> but will it involve money? >> the agreement ab

. >> attorney for katherine jackson. appearing on the cbs "early show." we have our experts standing by. we'll take your calls as well. carlos, everybody's laying it out there. no money, huh, carlos? no money for debbie rowe. >> very interesting about that. i thought that the agreement between debbie rowe and michael jackson ended after five years. and now they're saying that no money is exchanging hands except for what she already gets for michael jackson. present tebs. so she's still getting money from michael jackson in some way, which i find to be very interesting. we don't know what amount that money is right now. >> wasn't the original deal $8.5 million? >> well, it was -- you hear these different amounts. but it was a set time of five years. so that time, you know, should have elapsed by now. and i guess there was another deal that was made in the interim. and she's still getting money from michael jackson. >> let's bring in our attorney, alexis ne, ly. you hear this, listen to the wording, is there any way you th

his children remain in the custody of jackson's mother, katherine. but the battle over who will win permanent custody is only beginning to take shape. and who should have custody of jackson's three children is the subject of tonight's "face-off" debate. joining us, children's rights attorney, wendy murphy. and attorney and child advocate, gloria allred. thank you both for being here. gloria, you said that debbie rowe has definite rights to these children. how so? >> well, lou, she definitely has the legal edge, if there is going to be a battle for custody of the two older children of michael jackson, who were born during her marriage to michael. and that is because she is the only surviving parent. the courts still will have to look at what's in the best interest of the children, but unless katherine jackson can prove that it will be detrimental to those two older children to be with their mother, then she will certainly have the right to have them. >> and wendy, you say that debbie rowe should absolutely be removed from a list of possible guardians.

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will it be katherine and joe jackson? will deborah rowe make a case for custody? exclusive details as the future of the jackson children hangs in the balance. >>> and the fastest cannibal on the planet. it's an extraordinary journey into the wild for a rare and intimate look at cheetahs, the magnificent cats whose strength goes up to 80 miles an hour and the woman trying to save them from exi think thesive. >>> and in life, he was the animated face of so many products. in death, billy mays is still hard at work. why selling from behind the grave is tonight's "sign of the times". captions paid for by abc, inc. >>> good evening, i'm cynthia mcfadden. we begin tonight with the uncertain future of the three children michael jackson leaves behind. it was a day of rumor and speculation with the bombshell report that biological mother deborah rowe agreed to forego any custody bid in exchange for a multimillion dollar settlement from the jackson family. by early afternoon, a complete refutation by the attorney who says that rowe has not decided if she wants to seek custod

children, and jackson's mother, katherine jackson. what do we know about that? >> right. well, there was a report that came from "the new york post," and what this report was saying is that debbie rowe reached an agreement with katherine jackson for $4 million, she would relish quick her parental rights and not seek custody. later on, rowe's attorney sent a letter to "the new york post" and released it to the public, saying that this is a completely false report out there, and i'm going to read from it right here, christy. "there has been no agreement reached between rowe and the jacksons. she has not and will not give up her rights. no determination has been reached concerning custody or visitation, and she has not accepted and not will accept any additional financial support, consideration beyond the support she had from jackson years ago." they divorced in 1999, and she received $8.5 million, and that's according to court records. we don't know about the additional support she was being given or is still being given, possibly, and

>> katherine jackson filed a petition today, nancy. in this petition, she is asking to assume a role as the administer. there's two executors on the will. what we're being told is that the only way to find it null and void would be if michael jackson was found to be incompetent when he signed his name on the will back in 2002. >> leonard leeds, how likely is it there's mounting a battle of incompetence, claiming he's out of it, crazy at the time he signed his will. how hard is that to do? >> virtually impossible. to go back seven years and say he was incompetent at that time, when we look at the will it seems reasonable. he left the estate to his kids and mother. what's wrong with that? >>> breaking news in the investigation into the death of michael jackson. just hours ago, federal drug agents raided the office of dr. conrad murray. >> reports about the powerful sedative diprivan now found in michael jackson's home. this powerful drug is used in operating rooms to knock out patients. >> dr. murray was michael jackson's personal doctor

she agreed to not challenge katherine jackson for custody. this deal will be presented in court for approval next week. it's not really official until then. under the terms of the parties' agreement, katherine jackson will be the guardian for the minor children. debbie rowe will have visitation rights with the two oldest children. also, both sides say no money or compensation was part of this deal. >>> a federal law enforcement official tells cnn michael jackson's cardiologist is the only person police are investigating in his mysterious death. dr. conrad murray is consistently denied he prescribed or administered anything that could have killed jackson, and his lawyer says he doesn't think an arrest is imminent. >>> president obama said the arrest of an african-american professor by a white police officer provided a teachable moment. a boston cop said something else about it, and now he may likely lose his job. officer justin barrett sent out a mass e-mail in which he used a racial slur to describe professor henry gates. he sent this e-mail

>> katherine jackson filed a petition today, nancy. in this petition, she is asking to assume a role as the administer. there's two executors on the will. what we're being told is that the only way to find it null and void would be if michael jackson was found to be incompetent when he signed his name on the will back in 2002. >> leonard leeds, how likely is it there's mounting a battle of incompetence, claiming he's out of it, crazy at the time he signed his will. how hard is that to do? >> virtually impossible. to go back seven years and say he was incompetent at that time, when we look at the will it seems reasonable. he left the estate to his kids and mother. what's wrong with that? coroners at your office today. what were they looking for? what did they take? >> i have been conversing with them ever since friday. actually, the friday before july 3rd. before the fourth of july. we were to meet at my office. based on traffic and right before the holiday, we didn't meet up at my office. one of the deputies was going to meet me at my

did you say katherine jackson give it to charity? with that husband, joe jackson, hanging around her neck? are you saying -- he's got his hands so deep -- >> she can give it all to joe if she wants. she can give it to anybody she wants. he just can't -- she has a fiduciary obligation for the children. >> i got it. what about it, judge gino brogdon? we understand a lot of influence is being put on her by joe jackson, the man jackson specifically cut out of his will. >> well, she has two roles basically, nancy. as a beneficiary, as well as the administrator of the estate. it's a challenge for her to keep those roles separate. she can manage her money the way -- as a beneficiary, the way she sees fit. but she's got a higher responsibility as to managing the estate in the best interests of michael jackson's children. >> to christopher amulsh. come on. half of the jackson brothers and sisters, they're not all working. they've got their hands out. if this $50 million, if she gets say half of it, the will gives her 40%. the children 40%. ch

will michael jackson's exmake millions to stay away. and katherine jackson's new insight. and jon and kate and his new girlfriend debate coming up at the top of the hour. >>> to clark goldman, our producer on the story. clark, what can you tell me about the alleged ring leader running a martial arts studio? i guess that explains the ninja outfits. >> exactly right, nancy. the ring leader, gonzalez, jr., the father was involved, he trained children and battered women how to protect themselves from violence. in fact, he has six kids of his own. now he had a hearing this afternoon in court. he appealed for no bond to be on his own recognizance. and the judge says, you had a $1 million bond, and i'm taking that away. >> good to know. to sherry in illinois, hi, sherry. >> caller: hi, nancy, thanks for taking my call. your children are so beautiful. >> i'm blessed. thank you. >> caller: a quick comment/question. this horrific act happened so quickly. my question was to you and your panel, how did these people know where the safe was that they took out of the house without being

is grandmother katherine jackson being manipulated into having her son, superstar michael jackson, declared incompetent? incompetent! at the time he wrote his will. is she being played like a fiddle by father, joe jackson? legal experts say incompetent is the only way the jacksons can finally get their mitts on jackson's $500 million empire. tonight we learn not one but two autopsies reveal fresh needle marks and the deadly drug propofol in jackson's system. and, yes, it was predicted women would come out of the woodwork claiming to be the biomom of jackson's children, but tonight has a bio son emerged? that's right, is there a fourth jackson offspring? all this as we uncover the secret location of jackson's body, hidden miles away, protected by armed guards to stop would-be body snatchers. surrounding neighbors tonight mount a battle to stop the jackson brothers' plan for a burial theme park at neverland. a high-tech security system allegedly monitoring every inch of the home with a secret video of jackson's final moments gone. also, a bag of drugs, an iv pole, syringes, i.v. bags gone. a

is grandmother, katherine jackson declaring michael jackson incompetent at the time he wrote his will? is she being played like a fiddle by father, joe jackson? legal experts say incompetent is the only way the jackson's can finally get their mitts on jackson's half a billion dollar empire. not one, but two autopsies revealed. the deadly drug propofol in jackson's system. yes, it was predicted women would come out of the woodwork claiming to be the biomom of his kid. is there a fourth jackson offspring? all this as we uncover the secret location of jackson's body, hidden miles away to stop would be body snatchers. a battle to stop the jackson brothers plan for a burial theme park at neverland. it's war. a high-tech security system measuring every inch of the home with a system of jackson's final moments gone. a bag of drugs, iv pole, ser i thinks, gone. fresh needle marks in jackson's neck. riddled with track marks, skin paper white, reports he wanted to be put under with an iv drip for days on end, lying there like a living corpse as the vultures circle his dead body including aeg tr

katherine jackson was named as the guardian in her son's will. he wanted her to raise them and have custody. for weeks now there's been all this talk about whether debbie rowe, jackson's ex-wife will seek custody. we're talking about the two oldest children, those debbie rowe gave birth to. word of an agreement, katherine jackson will retain custody, debbie rowe will have visitation rights. this custody agreement will, of course, be presented to a judge monday for final approval. the timing and the frequency of visitation will be determined by a child psychologist. the fees for that psychologist i'm told will be split by both parties. speaking of money, we should point out, when debbie rowe gave michael jackson full custody of the children when the divorce was final years ago, in return she got paid $8.5 million. that was the settlement. in this case, i'm told no money was exchanged as part of the custody deal. this was a separate deal from the divorce agreement between jackson and rowe from years ago. as far as we're being told, anderson, debbie

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katherine jackson will retain custody. debbie rowe will have visitation rights. this will be presented to a judge monday for final approval. the timing and the frequency of visitation will be determined by a child psychologist. the fees for that psychologist will be split by both parties. speaking of money, we should point out, when debbie rowe gave michael jackson full custody of the children when the divorce was final years ago, in return she got paid $8.5 million. that was the settlement. in this case i'm told no money was exchanged as part of the custody deal. 7 this was a separate deal from the divorce agreement between jackson and rowe from years ago. as far as we're being told, anderson, debbie rowe did not sell her children as some had accused her of doing. >> comforting thought. i guess. randi, thanks very much. >>> a senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin. what do you make of this, that the search warrant said they were looking for things, such as prescribing to an addict. >> it underlines how complex this investigation is. because the key thing to rememb

katherine and jackson's three children see any of this money? >>> michael jackson's life at the end was being controlled and manipulated. >> we have a personal doctor here us with, sir. >> you have a doctor there? >> few details on what detectives seized from the office of michael jackson's daughter who was the target of a manslaughter investigation. >> a second search warrant was also served, not at the clinic but at a private storage unit belonging to dr. conrad murray. both warrants say they're seeking information and evidence of the offense of manslaughter. >> tonight we know exactly what they found. >> a rolodex card with fedex information which means they could try to track if drugs were fedexed out of state possibly, what drugs and who they may have been sent to. also, they took personal e-mails and some drugs including one vile of phentermine and one vile of an anxiety drug. >> he just wanted to sleep. he wanted to have eight hours sleep. >> at dr. murray's storage unit, the detectives seized irs documents, two hard drives, a texas depar

>> katherine jackson filed a petition today, nancy. in this petition, she is asking to assume a role as the admin administer. there's two executors on the will. the only way to find it null and void is if he was competent when he signed his name on the will back in 2002. >> leonard leeds, how likely is it there's a battle of competence, claiming he's out of it, crazy at the time he signed the will. how hard is that to do? >> virtually impossible. to go back seven years and say he was incompetent at that time, when we look at the will it seems reasonable. he left the estate to his kids and mother. what's wrong with that? >> it's very simple when it comes to the children. the will is what it is. it's the will from my brother because that's the way he was -- done it, that's the way he did it. my mother gets full custody of the children and the children will be fine. they are with my mother now. and my kids. anybody that tries to contest this will on any level, whether it's with the executors or whether it's with anything, they're not livi

says katherine jackson. now, we all think janet jackson is so close to them but she actually lives on the other side of the country and rarely sees them. >> nancy, you're right. and look, katherine has had a hand in raising her other grandchildren as well. this is not anything that's foreign to her. i've seen those kids many times and those grandchildren of hers are very happy with her. the other thing about it is, we saw a really good thing on sunday. the pictures of katherine taking them to the kingdom hall jehovah's witnesses. they're getting religion. something they probably didn't get with their father. that can only be a good thing. >> yeah, you know what, stacey brown? nothing wrong with a dose of religion. with that i can agree with you. but to you, doctor, dr. jeff gardere, the point made by amy, the grandmother is 79 years old. but you cannot subvert the will. >> that's right. here's the issue. what you said is absolutely correct. what happens if now they are taken away from katherine? it will be a

children to michael jackson's mom, katherine. that's the way the king of pop wanted it. that's the way it's going down, but what does debbie rowe get out of it? the published statements say it's not about money. we're going to analyze that tonight on "issues," because the word "payment" does appear in the statement. and we're also going to talk about the investigation into michael jackson's death. and mel gibson, another scandal. what's going on? did he rip someone's shirt or is someone making that up? lapd investigating. >>> but also is not as it appears as this interesting, intriguing mystery involving a superstar. "issues" coming up. )%)%)%)%)%)%%

you've got the grandmother, katherine jackson, 79 years old. you've got diana ross as the backup guardian and you have the family obviously fighting and apparently siblings already have their hand out to katherine jackson for the money. now, if the money has gone to her, at least 40% of it, can she dole it out as she wishes? because apparently, at the end of her life that money is to go to jackson's three children. can she spend it at will? >> it depends on what kind of control and what type of terms are in the trust. for example, it could say the money is for her benefit. and therefore the trustees will pay for things that she wants. she may be required to submit a budget for things that she wants. or it may be outright distribution to her. we'll just have to wait and see. if the trust ever comes to light. >> to ellie jostad, our chief editorial producer. the nuts are coming out of the woodwork. we learn there are reports that jackson was never a pedophile. he was pressured into that $20 million settlement with one alleged child victim. the on

katherine jackson won't get a dime yet. pending a hearing. >> michael jackson owns a home that his parents lived in. several members of his family have been in his employ over the years, and it's certainly, you know, one would assume that financial relationships between michael and members of his family were pretty deep. >> reporter: to help, the executors of his estate are working on a new publishing deal to reprint jackson's 1988 autobiography "moon walk." aeg, the concert promoters, are looking to make some money back, too. msnbc.com reports they just sold the rights of michael's final rehearsals, and have scrapped next month's tribute concert in london. as we go into the weekend, here's what you can watch for. the final autopsy results could be released next week. that's critical. as we look way ahead to august 3rd. that's the big hearing date for custody and the estate. we're told that court hearing, there's so much to get to, it could last all day. >> jeff rossen, we'll be keeping our eye on that date. thank you very

we know katherine jackson has talked about it. ann, maybe you can clarify this for us, that she wants to be a third co-executor, along with john branca and john mclean. does she have a case? >> there's a no-contest clause in the will. if she challenges the will, that's what she's doing by making this potential case, she could be out of anything in the will. so she's got to be really careful about that. the fact is, she wants to know more information. it's something that could be worked out. what i was saying on the kids is, have people down the line potentially, because we've got, you know, a mother that's 79. but she's a guardian of the kids. she is not the executor of the will. she's not there for the business affairs of michael jackson. those two things are very separate. >> so is wanting to be a third executor, is that in a sense contesting? >> it is. it potentially is. she's got to be very, very careful. she does deserve to know certain things, but the fact is, he decided who he wanted to be the executor of his will. and it w

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attorneys for katherine jackson say that there was no legal contest here. it was simply a process of doing the right thing for the right reasons. attorneys for debbie rowe say the same thing. it has a dignified outcome. it still has to go before the superior court judge on monday. most think the judge will approve this rather quickly. contessa? >> all right, lee. thank you. >>> still ahead on the economy, her husband is going to spend the rest of his life in jail and now ruth madoff is facing further legal action. >>> are we seeing relief on the foreclosure front. we'll find out which parts of the country are still feeling the pain. >>> plus, who is behind the wheel? well, it is a child. a very young one. you are not going to believe why he was running from cops. you don't want to miss this story ahead. e air avel for a new generation. to ensure our forces are safer and stronger. to take the world we share to tomorroand beyond. announcer: around the globe, the people of boeing are working together-- to make a difference. that's why we're here. with annuitie

so katherine jackson's lawyers have gone to court and asked for guidance. does contesting the executors constitute contesting the will. probably they'll decide no, because she's claiming that the executors have a conflict of interest. but if she contests the will, she will get nothing. i do not suspect katherine will contest the fact she's getting 40%. that's what we've been told under this trust. >> ted, let's clarify. does katherine jackson have any problem with who's controlling the estate? >> i think clearly that they're reserving judgment on that, when this is all hashed out. that's what that initial filing was last week. it's basically covering their bases, if indeed they want to publicly, katherine jackson's lawyers are saying, we're not contesting anything right now. we're concentrating on the children. but this is just a preliminary step to sort of covering our bases. >> jim, let's help understand who these two men are, john branca, john mclean. both worked with michael jackson in the past. was there a separation for awhile and then they came back