and north korea, north korea has announced it's pulling out of negotiations to end its nuclear program. >> translator: until america's deep-seated anti-north korea attitude ends, all of these problems will continue, and because of that, the six-party talks are also over. >> speaking with reporters at the conclusion of this week's asian regional conference in thailand, the north korean delegate said strong-arming by the united states was to blame. >> translator: we are not against negotiations. we have never been against talking. but how can you talk when you have a knife at your back? >> just moments later, secretary clinton met with the press. again, she demanded that north korea honor its previous commitment to abandon its nuclear ambitions. >> we do not intend to reward the north for just returning to the table. we will not give them anything new for actions they have already agreed to take. and we have no appetite for pursuing protracted negotiations that will only lead us right back to where we have already been. >> charles armstrong is a professor of korean studies at new york's

and when the north korea representative finished, i just very calmly said, north korea knows what it must do, and what we are expecting from it. i talked with my counterparts from russia, china, japan, south korea at length during the time i was in thailand. we are all on the same page and we are all committed to the same goal. >> can we say, at this point, since it's so difficult to deal with north korea, going back to president clinton, who said that he would stop them from getting a nuclear bomb, after these missile tests, after the belief that they have seven or eight nuclear bombs, that an effort to keep them from going nuclear has failed? >> no, i don't think so. because their program still at the beginning stages, and there are several important factors here that has led to the unanimity of the international community. it's not only that north korea has against the international norms, ieia and other requirements proceeded with this effort, but they also are a proliferator, we know that for a fact. so it's not only the threat they pose to their neighbors and beyond, but the fa

the war of words between north korea and the united states escalated with north korea's foreign ministry lashing out at secretary of state clinton in unusually personal storms for "vulgar remarks" that it said demonstrated she is by no means intelligent. we can regard mrs. clinton as a funny lady. sometimes she looks like a primary schoolgirl. what were they thinking? >> well, david, i think what's important here is the clear message that we're sending to north korea, and it's one that is now unanimous. the security council resolution, 1874, made official that north korea must change their behavior. and we have toet back to moving toward verifiable denuclearization of the korean peninsula in a peaceful manner. as you know and as you've reported, they've engaged in a lot of provocative actions in the last month, but what we, china, russia, south korea, japan and literally the unanimous international community have said is, it's not going to work this time. we're imposing the most stringent sanctions we ever have. we have great cooperation from the world community, china and we are working

this is what north korea is doing. i would further point out to my colleagues that this is a sense of the senate. the kerry amendment with all due respect toward senator kerry, this is asking the administration to do a report and asking to direct the administration to some steps. ours is a sense of the senate of what the senate thinks and it is saying that the senate believes that north korea should be relisted as a state sponsor of terrorism. i and my colleagues in a common science review of what north korea -- a commonsense review of what north crow ha north korea t you think they qualify? if not, who would qualify as state sponsor of terrorism if north korea doesn't, with what they have done personally and what they have conducted with syria, with myammar, with the other rogue groups. it is a sense of the senate to state we believe that north korea is a state sponsor of terrorism. it's bipartisan. with senator bayh and myself. it has a number of consponsors on it. it actually would be productive of us to say to nort

north korea at -- north korea called her a silly lady acting like a schoolgirl. the international community tries to have discussions with north korea. mrs. clinton is vowing to support harsh sanctions. >> it will demonstrate to other countries with nuclear ambitions that we will impose costly penalties for those who violate international agreements. >> north korea carry out its last nuclear test in may. the u.s. is concerned about ties between burma and the north and the threat it could present to countries in the region. it is also troubling with north korea threatening to sell its nuclear activities. >> the path is open and itups to north korea to take it. >>> the mayors of two new jersey cities are facing corruption charges. the mayors and more than two dozen others have been arrested in a probe. prosecutors say they took money in exchange for helping a government witness to get permits. investigators also raided a synagogue and arrested a rabbi. more details are expected later today. >>> the defense takes over in the corruption trial of william jefferson. th

that north korea will throw at south korea or anyplace else. nothing has moved forward accept north korea testing weapons. that has moved forward -- except north korea testing weapons. >> the north koreans have told us the same thing three different times. they have a plutonium reactor which they closed down periodically for concessions, and once they have milked us for the maximum number of concessions, then they start their reactor again, and we cannot go back to that, and we have to bring about a consensus from surrounding countries to bring korea,ç i would not say o its senses, because it does not have many senses, but to a recognition that this will not be accepted. if not, we will live in a world -- if that continues, we will see a proliferation of nuclear capability in asia, and it was certainly be even more difficult if not impossible to negotiate with iran. greta: well, china certainly does not wantç japan to get nervous and develop nuclear weapons, but it also seems to me that china is the only one with a sort of the power or infl

doing anything to stop north korea? they issued new sanctions against five north korean companies involved in the nuclear program. two types of materials used in ballistic missile parts are now banned from being sold in north korea. do these sanctions matter? we are joined by the former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, john negroponte. the these make any difference to the leaders of north korea? -- do these make any difference to the leaders of north korea? >> yes, i do. it sends a message that the international community is unified against what they are doing. it is important that once again, some of their socialist allies such as china has made a very strong statement against their behavior. i do think it is important and i think that adds to the pressures on north korea. >> why do you think that china is more involved in this? do they fear that japan will get nervous and get into the nuclear race and get involved itself or do they think it is time to control the north koreans and keep them from having dangerous

behind the smile, elrich and exchanges barbs with north the korea -- with north korea over nuclear weapons. >> the unit -- the united states and its allies cannot accept a north korea that tries to retain nuclear weapons. >> porsche's boss resigns as the sports car maker runs into trouble after trying to take over volkswagen. one brief message on twitter can make or break a movie. >> ♪ when we landed in nebraska, i confirmed what i suspected ♪ >> the canadian singer using youtube to get back in an airline that mishandled his musical instrument. 7:00 a.m. in washington, midday in london and 3:00 p.m. in tbilisi where the u.s. vice- president visit to the republic of georgia provoked a tough response from neighboring russia. joe biden is there in a show of support almost one year on after georgia's short war. now russia is threatening concrete measures to prevent the georgians rearming. accusing them of provocative the incident close to the breakaway region of south ossetia. let's go live to our correspondent who is also watching with -- as we are now, the arrival any moment now of joe b

. >> a strong warning to iran and north korea about their nuclear ambitions. violent protests spread across south evidence townships. Ñithe present reduce pressure on the president to deliver. the region coveted by both north -- by both north and south sudan. welcome to bbc world news. coming up later, it is what everyone in italy is talking about, the prime minister and the prostitute. watching it all go dark. the longest solar eclipse of the century. u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton warned iran and north korea about their nuclear ambitions. at the summit in thailand, mrs. clinton told north korea it is only be its only option is the universal dismantling of its universal declare -- of its nuclear weapons program. our state department correspondent is traveling with her. >> the theme of the day for hillary clinton was nuclear proliferation, from iran to north korea. she had one message. washington will not accept their nuclear ambitions. she sent a message to pteron. -- to tehran. >> the focus iran must have is that it faces the prospect, if it pursue

- concerning north korea. and i must say, i was entertained by the outlook as far as north korea's behavior is concerned by the distinguished chairman of the foreign relations committee. i can't imagine -- i can't remember when i disagreed more. the state department's 2008 country reports on terrorism stated -- quote -- "as part of the six-party talks process, the u.s. reaffirmed its intent to fulfill its commitment regarding the removal of the designatio designation -- designation of the dprk as a state sponsor of terrorism in parallel with the dprk's actions on denuclearization and in accordance with criteria set forth by law." we certainly haven't taken any action on denuclearization and it certainly hasn't been in accordance with criteria set forth by law. there was a problem with the trade. we delisted north korea and we got something worse than nothi nothing. thin response to our action -- i mean, facts are subborn things. in response to our action, pyongyang has embarked on a pattern of astonishing bell

headlines, hillary clinton warns north korea and iran about north korean ambitions. violent protesters in south africa over what they view as a failure to deliver on election promises. one out of every five israeli citizens is arab, leading to growing tensions with orthodox moving to the northern israel to stop the spread of arabs. access to land has already restricted for israeli arabs. >> they are israeli, but they are also arabs. their family stayed put in israel after the war of independence 60 years ago. under israeli law, all citizens are equal. but some israelis are more equal than others. this man showed us what used to be his home before the israeli authorities demolished it twice. he said that he found it this plot to israel claimed it. illegally built, according to israeli officials, a family of 14 in three rooms. >> i lost everything when they demolished my house. if i was a citizen, i would not be in this situation. jewish communities have electricity, water, sewage, and street lights. how can they live like that and not us? >> arab israelis say that isr

korea. -- denuclearization of north korea and that was the term used in the first term of president bush before he softened his policy on north korea and whether it represents a change in the obama policy or not but may be the reason for the insults particularly directed against secretary clinton. >> eric: when you have these snultsz, they said, quote, she made a spate of vulgar remarks, unbecoming for her position, everywhere, since she was sworn in and why the personal insults as opposed to policy? >> well, i think, they see propaganda value in going after people, perhaps they are hoping to irritate them or produce a reaction that they can use to their benefit. or, perhaps that is the best they can do, always a possibility. but i think the long term north korean goal is to keep upping the ante and increasing the price before north korea sits back down at the negotiating table with us and i think that is what they are after. >> eric: and you talk about the fact they have the threats and talk about a potential all-out war against the u.s. and let's talk about something else, next mo

sanctions. >> the united states and its allies and partners cannot accept a north korea that tries to maintain nuclear weapons. >> reporter: the secretary of state fell in to a war of words during a summit in thailand after north korea refused again to give up its nuclear program. clinton likened north korean leaders to small children demanding attention. the communist nation ridiculed clinton as a funny lady and a schoolgirl with no understanding of international etiquette. >> this north korean delegate asks how can you have a dialogue with a knife at your back? thailand's foreign minister is urging north korea to return to nuclear negotiations. >> look beyond the past and join others in finding the way forward. >> reporter: clinton insists north korea must return to talks to avoid international isolation. >> the events no willingness to pursue the path of denuclearization. and that was troubling. not only to the united states, but to the region and the international community. >> reporter: the secretary of state hillary clinton now returns to washington after a week-long trip to ind

>> the internal subject of north korea. and the truth is, we love to think of -- if china would only do this, that and the other, we could trap north korea. but i think china does not have as much influence as we imagine. this is a very artartic happened in state but it's extremely important that we collab wait china to do what can be done to bring them to heal, like iran. not an easy topic to have a clear solution for. >> orvel shell, thank you once again. >> pleasure. >>> there was one more sign today of improving relations between china and taiwan. their presidents exchanged messages today for the first time since the two sides split six decades ago. the exchanges were reported on china's state-run television. both leaders were have said to call for continuing efforts to promote peaceful development of their relations. >>> and one other note from today's meetings between u.s. and chinese officials in washington, both treasury secretary timothy geithner and china's top economic policymaker spoke of some hopeful economic s

and is north korea doing something? the pentagon is pointing fingers right at north korea. that, of course, coming up, but, first, it is a second stimulus package coming? house majority leader steny hoyer and chris dodd are not ruling out the idea. what are they saying on the other side of the aisle? joining us is mitch mcconnell, senate minority leader. >> good to be with you, greta. greta: how much are we spending on interest on the first one? do you have any idea? >> about $100 million a day on the first one in interest. greta: each day, we are spending that to support the first one? >> yes, and this fiscal year, we are spending -- we have an $800 billion greater deficit at the end of the third quarter of the fiscal quarter we are currently in that ends september 30 than we did last year. we are spending like drunken sailors. greta: there are some democrats that are talking about it, but they are not wedded to it. >> we had a great saying down in kentucky. we passed the first stimulus on the representation the president made that it would keep unemployment from going abo

. >> they reached out to north korea and have been slapped back in particularly by the north koreans and it's surprising to some people in the administration though it shouldn't have been if you look at north korea that's what they do again and again and the we're going to reach out to you and include you they haven't quite gotten the response. >> charlie: we look at former secretary of state henry kissinger and the events of one year, 1973. >> during the yom kippur war i'm amazed how quickly he realized what he going on new mexico in a way quicker than the pentagon and cia. his belief early on in the wa os coming out on top. >> charlie: and henry kissinger and obama coming up. . >> captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: we begin with our continued coverage of president obama's visit to russia. the president met russian prime minister vladamir putin and it was the first meeting between the two leaders and then addressed the graduating class in an economic school in moscow and it articulated his broad foreign po

we are tailing one north korean ship suspected of carrying weapons back to north korea and they want to want too. >> a little bit is my guess. >> bolton says with each missile launched the north koreans led by kim jong-il a more scientific and military information to help them with the next launch. it is noteworthy for number of these launches and provocations occur on u.s. holidays. seven missiles today on july 4, an underground nuclear test on may -- the more they enact and then back to july launched a long-range missile. experts tell fox that families test for our holidays are one reason is a quote book in the eye" to the u.s. >> julie: happy fourth of july to you, molly. >> in missiles that were fired today could not have reached the united states and they do not have nuclear capabilities. but the move was clearly provocative in the u.s. military has increased defenses around why, the states closest to north korea. whiteys civil defense director said the island state has nothing to worry about. >> our antimissile systems have hit every single target turned against them. so i thin

even in north korea, state television ran pictures of solar eclipse watching. but the silly look of the very necessary protective eclipse watching glasses seems to cort hole of asia from pakistan to japan where even a sea lion got in on the act. >>> in india, the longest eclipse of this young century had special significance drawing both pilgrims and tourists. abc australia sally sarah report it is from ancient city of verrenase. >> reporter: they arrived in the darkness, tens of thousands of people gathering on the banks of india's holy river gang ganches. it was a massive humanity as pilgrims prepared for the magic of the eclipse. >> like a party. people come and enjoy the sites, yeah. >> reporter: the eclipse began on india's west coast leaving a path of darkness across the country towards china and eventually the pacific ocean. the spectacle unfolded across some of the most heavily populated places on earth and drew enthusists from afar. >> it's quite amazing. so this is magical. >> reporter: the last slither of the sun disappeared behind the moon to the ch

north korea were there to discuss and incentives package. she also warned iran against continuing its nuclear program and spoke about defense. i asked her to flesh out a few ideas. >> they do not seem to be responding to what you are giving them, and the escalation continues. you could reach dangerous territory where there's a lot of tension. at some point, someone will have to back down and i'm assuming it will have to be responsible adult rather than the tantrum adolescents. >> there is no way to resolve the danger if north korea is given a pass to continue their nuclear program. we have been through this before. we have made agreements they have broken. so we do have to keep the pressure on, and sanctions are designed to do that. i've been amazed, actually, at the extent to which other countries are going, showing that they're concerned about the implications not only of north korea having deliverable nuclear weapons, which we are determined to present -- prevent, but also because of the arms race, which will destabilize. >> you said you

do you think north korea is in imminent danger? >> i don't think there is imminent danger here, north korea attacking another country, attacking japan, south korea or u.s. forces. frankly i don't think we will attack them. that would be a bad idea. this is driven by internal dynamics not external threats, not trying to bargain with the outside word, not trying to wrestle aid out of the outside world. but rather internal to north korea because it is undergoing a leadership transition. >> i want to talk you about the leadership transition, and also, just about kingjong-il, what is health? >> we don't know. months ago he did not look good. he looked thinner, frailer. his hair and skin looked whitish, certainly not the kim jong-il we have seen from pictures past. there have been all sorts of speculation in the korean media, you have to take that with a grain of salt, that they're recycling pictures -- north korean state media is recycling pictures from an earlier period trying to make him look more robust than he may be. trying to put

. > a srong warning to in and north korea about tir nuclear ambitis. violenrotests spread across south evince township Ñithe esent reduce pressure on the presidento deliver. e region coveted by both north -- by both north and south sudan. welcome tobc world news. coming up later, it is what evyone in italy is talking abt, the prime minister and the prostitute. watching it all goark. the longt solar eclip of the ntury. ntury. u.s. secretary of ste hillary clinton ward iran annorth koreabout their nucar ambitions. at t summitn thaind, mrs. inton told nth korea it is on be its only option is the universal dismaning of its universal declare -- of its nuclear weapons progra our state department rrespondent is traveling wit her. >> the theme of the day for hilly clinton wasuclear proliferation,rom iran to north korea. e had one meage. washington will not accept their nuclear ambitions. shsent a message t pten. -- to tehran. >> the focus iran must have is that it faces the prospect,f pursues nuclr wpons, of sparking an arms race ithe region. texas secretary

. >> she said we broke all in north korea. >> one of the amerin journalists in north korea makes a phone call to her sister. >> partly cloudy and cool. the forecast is coming up. ,pp >>> 4 workers at historic black cemetery in chicago have been charged in a scheme to resell burial plots. they are accused of digging up hundreds of the remains, discarding them, and reselling the plots. many notable african americans are buried there, including a victim of civil-rights abuse. >> they deserve a special place in hell. this is an indescribable the decadent. >> fbi agents say they will sort through the evidence to identify the bodies. >>> one of two u.s. journalists being held in north korea has made it a confession that they have violated allot and confessed to a legal entry in hostile acts against north korea. they were recently sentenced to 12 years of hard labor in a prison camp. in a rare phone call, she is asking for the u.s. to step in. >> we're just hoping that our two countries at do not have a diplomatic relationship can find a reason, use this reason to get together. >> north korea i

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i don't think you can lump iran and north korea together. iran in particular is looking at regional goals, having to do with its neighbors, having to do with wanting to be a premier power in the region. they see a nuclear weapon as giving them that clout. i think the north korean is very, very different. and it seems to come from a sense that they are very, very scared about regime change, and pressures for regime change and keeping reigns in the hands of the dear leader. so there's different problems and they have to be looked at differently. i frankly think the iranian issue can be resolved, but i think it will take a wider package than just focusing on the nukes themselves. rather a regional package of dealing with regional security. >> what do you think that could take? because i mean everybody right now is focused on trying to figure a way forward while everybody tries to put as much cold water on the military option, including -- >> right. >> chairman mullan has been doing that. >> i think the first thing we have to do is we have to ha

our tour of the world is going to continue now to north korea. they've threatened to shoot a mid range missile towards hawaii. what are we prepared to do if that were to happen? >> i'm very comfortable with our defensive posture that we can protect our interests, our people and our territories. what i am increasingly concerned about is just the belligerence and the unpredict of the north korean leadership. the seven missiles that he fired yesterday which is to some degree a repeat of what he did in 2006, they're a violation of the united nations security council resolution. i think the international community needs to continue to bring pressure and stay together to let him know that he continues to isolate himself. i'm concerned about his belligerence and instability in that region. >> it seems that north korea is a black hole. in terms of our intelligence knowing what they're up to, is that right? >> it's a very difficult to know what he is up to. >> one thing that did happen this week is the korean ship apparently turned around. do we know why?

and by the way things have developed this meeting in asia about north korea, i think that the north koreans walk out the winners at least in short and medium term. >> did secretary of state clinton not come across so well on this journey? >> i think she's had a difficult time over the last few months, frankly. she had the injury. the iran policy has gone obama's way but not so much hers. that's been commented on. and now north korea. look, these are difficult foreign policy problems. the bush administration didn't do it very well. obama's not either. and hillary clinton getting goated into it by the north koreans, calling her, says sort of between a schoolchild and a penchant. the only job clearly that you would want to have in north korea is being a speechwriter for kim jong-il. >> the only fun. >> you know nothing else that you would want to do. >> the free reign to criticize anybody in the west and call them ridiculous names. >> and one more thing to keep in mind, the background of this is kim jong-il is ill, very ill from all reports. that they have a successor in place, one of his sons

>> i don't think that any war is imminent with north korea. i think they understand that they would be overwhelmed in a serious military conflict with the united states. >> reporter: international concern over north korea and iran's nuclear ambitions will also be on the agenda at the g-8 summit. but the main focus there will be the global economic recession. leftist protesters have clashed with security forces if rome but the g-8 will be meeting in italy's central mountains hard hit by an earthquake in the past. many are still unable to return to their homes. l'aquila is still experiencing aftershocks and later today mr. obama will join other g-8 leaders for a tour of the region. michelle. >> susan, thanks. >>> turning now to michael jackson, the official farewell by family, friends and fans is over. though for his most devoted followers, the mourning goes on. also continuing this morning is the investigation into his death and many other questions remain, as well. manuel gallegus has the latest. manny, good morning. >> reporter: good morning,

and north korea continue to grow. tonight, a vigil along with many across the nation, asking for the release of the reporters, they are asking people to write down their thoughts and prayers for the women who have been locked away almost four months. there were words of hope written on the back of dozens of postcards. >> we are hoping for a quick and safe return. >> messages to the journalists now imprisoned in north korea. they are set to serve 12 years in a labor camp for illegally crossing the north korean- chinese border in mid march. >> i hope they come back to their families. >> since their capture, their families have received little contact. just letter and a couple phone calls. >> laura called and specifically asked for postcards to be sent to. she said it is the thing she looked forward to. >> this week, an unexpected confession. both admitted to illegally entering the country. their families are asking north korea to grant the women amnesty. a letter from lisa ling calls on supporters to continue the campai

>> i don't think that any war is imminent with north korea. i think they understand that they would be overwhelmed in a serious military conflict with the united states. >> reporter: the centerpiece of this summit is a provisional agreement to reduce the two nation's nuke lear arsenals by as much as a third, signed by president obama and russian president dmitry medvedev. mr. obama calls it leading by example. >> once you do that, then you've got an international community that is collectively focused on the issue so that when we approach north korea or iran, it is as a united front. >> reporter: the president also prodded this government-controlled nation to become more democratic. in a speech today he said governments that serve their own people survive, those that seven their own power do not. chip reid, cbs news, moscow. >> couric: and i'll be back with the music and magic of michael jackson. to a good breakfast. one coffee with room, one large mocha latte. medium macchiato, light hot chocolate hold the whip, and two espressos. make one a

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i imagine they will be reporting back to north korea if we talk to them. i hope the consensus will be reached within the leadership that the path of they are on is not sustainable. >>greta: when you look at iran and the protesters, and they look at the world and have a sense of our democracy. when you go to north korea, they are sealed off from the rest of the world. they literally see as as these horrible people. >> you are so right. i speak from firsthand experience. it has been such a controlled society with so few sources of information coming into the country that i am told when people escape and they get to china, they are stunned by what they find. it is not only the prosperity and the abundance of food and other goods, but the world is not at all as it has been described to them. the opportunities for people in north korea are just as great as people anyway -- people anywhere. they are abused by their own government. greta: it appears that the son or brother in law will still be there. any thought about that? >> we are watching this closely. we hav