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nbc's mark potter is in pensacola with the latest. good morning to you. >> reporter: this is a sad case which led to a busy night here at the sheriff's office in pensacola where they announced three arrests late into the night. the second person to be arrested in the case but the first to be charged with murder is 31-year-old wayne coldiron accused in the shooting deaths of byrd and melanie billings at their home west of pensacola late thursday evening. >> to the best of our knowledge, mr. coldiron is a local individual. day laborer of sort. known to work with car dealers. those sorts of things. >> reporter: shortly after that announcement, there was a dramatic moment when the sheriff excused himself from the podium.
nbc's mark potter is in pensacola with the latest. good morning to you. >> reporter: this is a sad case which led to a busy night here at the sheriff's office in pensacola where they announced three arrests late into the night. the second person to be arrested in the case but the first to be charged with murder is 31-year-old wayne coldiron accused in the shooting deaths of byrd and melanie billings at their home west of pensacola late thursday evening. >> to the best of our...
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susan candiotti, cnn, pensacola, florida. >> "the pensacola news journal" has been digging on this story since it broke. and one lead reporter really to point out has been doing a really great job of uncovering information. and learning about this strange case. we're going to talk to him live just moments away. >>> he laid the groundwork for every journalist who followed. the world remembers walter cronkite. >>> there's more than one motive. because we're in a game of high-stakes poker at this point, defense attorneys are coming on and interviewing their clients. we're being very, very careful in every move that we make that we coordinate this with the state attorney's office to ensure that, again, information that is releasable is released at the earliest opportunity. >> that was sheriff david morgan in florida earlier tonight on cnn. he said robbery might not have been the only motive in the brutal home invasion near pensacola that left a mother and father dead and more than a dozen children without parents now. chris renowski has been on this story since it broke. we appreciate you jo
susan candiotti, cnn, pensacola, florida. >> "the pensacola news journal" has been digging on this story since it broke. and one lead reporter really to point out has been doing a really great job of uncovering information. and learning about this strange case. we're going to talk to him live just moments away. >>> he laid the groundwork for every journalist who followed. the world remembers walter cronkite. >>> there's more than one motive. because we're in a...
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i want to go now to pensacola and the strange case of the billings family. the parents of the 13 special needs children, 17 children including four -- two born to each of them. bruteally murdered in their home in the florida panhandle in front of some of those children. escapeescambia county sheriff. is it still your position, sir,, that the motive of the eight people in custody plus a couple of others was simply to rob bud and melanie billings? >> well, before i answer that question, geraldo, i would be remiss if i didn't say one thing. i want to thank you for your continued support of the men and women in the armed services and law enforcement. my wife and i are retired military. thank you for your service. >> what unit were you with? >> yes, sir,, yes, sir. >> geraldo: what unit? >> with the united states air force. >> geraldo: ex-lend. do you think this was a robbery. we can't believe it was a robbery. people train for a month and don't know these people. get together and let's make a robbery, get ninja outfits and timing down perfectly, they think the r
i want to go now to pensacola and the strange case of the billings family. the parents of the 13 special needs children, 17 children including four -- two born to each of them. bruteally murdered in their home in the florida panhandle in front of some of those children. escapeescambia county sheriff. is it still your position, sir,, that the motive of the eight people in custody plus a couple of others was simply to rob bud and melanie billings? >> well, before i answer that question,...
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mens cola pensacola rounds up another pensacola police round up another suspect in the murder. the impact on the huge family. >> and the president's chase for surgeon general and her humble background as a rural physician. >> and big rush. publishers can't wait to sell books about michael jackson. >> it's probably the most significant publishing event since the death of princess diana. >> the money making opportunity. it's tuesday, july 14th. >> announcer: from abc news, this is "world news now." >> of course time is of the essence to get those books on store shelves. >> it feels like whatever people put out at this point people will be buying. >> we'll talk about that coming up. i'm jeremy hubbard. >> and i'm vinita nair. bud and melanie billings spared no expense on a high-tech security system to watch over their 12 disabled children. >> pensacola police say that setup has helped break the mysterious double murder case. four suspects are in custody and police expect to make one more arrests today. steve osunsami has more now from pensacola. >> reporter: florida police investi
mens cola pensacola rounds up another pensacola police round up another suspect in the murder. the impact on the huge family. >> and the president's chase for surgeon general and her humble background as a rural physician. >> and big rush. publishers can't wait to sell books about michael jackson. >> it's probably the most significant publishing event since the death of princess diana. >> the money making opportunity. it's tuesday, july 14th. >> announcer: from abc...
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>> mark potter in pensacola. thank you. >>> the bloody u.s.-led offensive in the drug-producing region of jorn afghanistan claimed more american lives as two marines were killed in bomb explosions. as john yang reports, the new reality on the ground there is giving way to calls within the military for even more boots on the ground. >> reporter: marine master sergeant john hayes, husband, father of three, and one of the 104 american troops killed in afghanistan this year, a record pace. randy johnson was a high school classmate. >> he was the kind of person that always cared about other people. >> reporter: hayes was killed wednesday in the u.s.-led effort to push the taliban out of afghanistan's opium poppy growing region. in a british television interview, president obama warned things could get worse. >> we knew that this summer was going to be tough fighting, that there was an interest in the taliban exerting control. they have, i think, been pushed back, but we still have a long way to go. >> reporter: mr. obama's already ordered 21,000 mo
>> mark potter in pensacola. thank you. >>> the bloody u.s.-led offensive in the drug-producing region of jorn afghanistan claimed more american lives as two marines were killed in bomb explosions. as john yang reports, the new reality on the ground there is giving way to calls within the military for even more boots on the ground. >> reporter: marine master sergeant john hayes, husband, father of three, and one of the 104 american troops killed in afghanistan this year, a...
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shepard: it is just down the road from pensacola. i put in a phone call to her and an e-mail but she is not returning them, which is no surprise. she is renting a home to one of the suspects and you are saying that everything makes sense from a bad guy's perspective, except for the fact that they seemed to think they were on is surveillae cameras. somebody didn't turn on surveillance cameras. you don't have to be a genius to think that maybe this woman might know something about the surveillance cameras, right? >> well, no, sir, that's not true. we have persons of interest r we have not tied ms. long to that. shepard: what do you want to ask her about? >> we want to ask her about her association with patrick, jr. we want to know if she knew anything about his whereabouts on the day of the incident, and we just want to get some information from her about his comings and goings. we believe that, again, she may have some substance and very relevant information about this case. shepard: nobody has seen her since the day of the murders? >
shepard: it is just down the road from pensacola. i put in a phone call to her and an e-mail but she is not returning them, which is no surprise. she is renting a home to one of the suspects and you are saying that everything makes sense from a bad guy's perspective, except for the fact that they seemed to think they were on is surveillae cameras. somebody didn't turn on surveillance cameras. you don't have to be a genius to think that maybe this woman might know something about the...
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cnn's ed lavandera is live in pensacola. we also have rob williams of news radio 1620 helping us out this week as well on the story. thanks to both of you guys to joining us right now. ed, i know we're expecting this news conference sometime this evening. any indication what police are going to tell us tonight? >> believe it or not, sounds like we're told another arrest will be made even though authorities said they arrested seven people inside the property when the billings couple was murdered. they said another rest was not sure it's the woman authorities will be looking for and found throughout the day or the eighth person they believe might be connected in terms of shouting off and not shutting off the surveillance system inside the house. we're not sure who it might be but say another race is announced later tonight. >> flush that out for us. explain what you mean for people who are not aware of what is going on with the security system, what they discovered. >> this has been interesting insight how this investigation p
cnn's ed lavandera is live in pensacola. we also have rob williams of news radio 1620 helping us out this week as well on the story. thanks to both of you guys to joining us right now. ed, i know we're expecting this news conference sometime this evening. any indication what police are going to tell us tonight? >> believe it or not, sounds like we're told another arrest will be made even though authorities said they arrested seven people inside the property when the billings couple was...
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susan candiotti, cnn, pensacola, florida. >> all right. the investigation into this crime has revealed some very unsavory characters with strange connections. escambia county sheriff david morgan joins us with the latest. they came out and said there are so many rumors about this they felt they had to say something. the sheriff will clear up all those rumors. we'll get to the bottom of the truth coming up in just a little bit. >>> also, we want to let you know we're keeping an eye on san francisco. this is discuss in. two light railcars have collided. police officer says there are lots of injuries, but none appears life-threatening. we'll bring you pictures as soon as we get them out of san francisco. >>> an american fighter jet crashed in afghanistan. the f-15 eagle was apparently not hit by enemy fire and investigators are looking at the crash site in the ghazni province to determine if mechanical problems doomed the flight. 50 coalition troops have been killed in afghanistan so far in july. already the deadliest month of the war. >>> go
susan candiotti, cnn, pensacola, florida. >> all right. the investigation into this crime has revealed some very unsavory characters with strange connections. escambia county sheriff david morgan joins us with the latest. they came out and said there are so many rumors about this they felt they had to say something. the sheriff will clear up all those rumors. we'll get to the bottom of the truth coming up in just a little bit. >>> also, we want to let you know we're keeping an...
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don teague, cbs news, pensacola. >> couric: and coming up next, "assignment america" right after this. . for arthritis pain... in your hands... knees... and back. for little bodies with fevers.. and big bodies on high blood pressure medicine. tylenol works with your body... in a way other pain relievers don't... so you feel better... knowing doctors recommend tylenol... more than any other brand of pain reliever. use polident bacteria cans every dayand kills odortoolident cleancausing bacteriaing discover a light yogurt like no other. activia light! delicious, fat free, and above all... the only one that has bifidus regularis and is clinically proven to help regulate your digestive system. activia light. >> couric: finally tonight, no matter what you've heard, you can fight city hall. so as a public service, a lesson in how to do it in steve hartman's "assignment america." >> well, there's only one way i can come down now. >> reporter: at 92, kathleen harris says steps are supposed to be hard. but sidewalks aren't supposed to be steps. >> it's a regular obstacle course. >> reporter: m
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brian. >>> mark potter in pensacola for us tonight. thank you. >>> overseas now to the war in afghanistan. as of today, there are 57,000 u.s. military forces on the ground there. that number is going to be 68,000 by the end of the year. there could be another increase after that. great britain is in this war with the u.s., side by side, as they were in iraq. but the brits have lost more soldiers in afghanistan than they lost in iraq. and today in the u.k., they were mourning a terrible loss. nbc's stephanie gosk reports. >> reporter: war in iraq and afghanistan have made this a familiar scene in britain. but there are almost never this many coffins. the eight victims of the british military's deadliest 24 hours in afghanistan were all young. three of them just 18. today the flag-draped coffins wound their way in a single procession through the market town. for two years this small community has paid accidental witness to the high price of war. it just happens to be on a road between an air base and the hospital where soldiers bodies ar
brian. >>> mark potter in pensacola for us tonight. thank you. >>> overseas now to the war in afghanistan. as of today, there are 57,000 u.s. military forces on the ground there. that number is going to be 68,000 by the end of the year. there could be another increase after that. great britain is in this war with the u.s., side by side, as they were in iraq. but the brits have lost more soldiers in afghanistan than they lost in iraq. and today in the u.k., they were mourning a...
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in pensacola florida, brian wilson, fox news. >> day three of sonia sotomayor's confirmation hearings and we don't know where she stands on the topic of abortion. no different however from her predecessors. supreme court nominees typically shy clear of the issues. senators pressed sonia sotomayor on abortion and related court decisions. >> you seem to say in your approach, and throughout the speech, that background, sympathies and prejudices, can impact how you rule. >> it was a bad choice of words by me. because it left an impression that has offended people, and has left an impression that i didn't intend. >> the judiciary committee hearings are expected to wrap up tomorrow. full senate vote could come in august. >> also on capitol hill today. senate health committee passed its version of a health care reform bill. the $600 billion bill would make health insurance mandatory for all americans. the government and employers would help pay the premiums. republicans say it would put the country deeper in to debt. >> let me be clear. if you like your doctor or health care provider, you ca
in pensacola florida, brian wilson, fox news. >> day three of sonia sotomayor's confirmation hearings and we don't know where she stands on the topic of abortion. no different however from her predecessors. supreme court nominees typically shy clear of the issues. senators pressed sonia sotomayor on abortion and related court decisions. >> you seem to say in your approach, and throughout the speech, that background, sympathies and prejudices, can impact how you rule. >> it was...
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of course, now in pensacola is crystal spencer. crystal is the attorney for ashley markham, the oldest daughter of murder victims melanie and bird billings. visitation for bird and mel any w melanie was this evening. what was it like? >> it was heart warming. there was a huge community outpouring. very, very large church. and they had it set up to where probably close to 1,000 people can easily be accommodated. there were photos of bud and melanie's life and the children and so many people who knew them, knew them well, everything from nurses that had helped with the children through the years. some of these adoptions were open adoptions. so, you know, you had family members and extended family members. it was really amazing. beautiful, beautiful setup. >> larry: why does ashley need an attorney? >> well, there are a lot of things you have to take care of such as guardianships being set up, how you're going to take care of these children. one of the things that they really needed assistance with is the intense media interest. also,
of course, now in pensacola is crystal spencer. crystal is the attorney for ashley markham, the oldest daughter of murder victims melanie and bird billings. visitation for bird and mel any w melanie was this evening. what was it like? >> it was heart warming. there was a huge community outpouring. very, very large church. and they had it set up to where probably close to 1,000 people can easily be accommodated. there were photos of bud and melanie's life and the children and so many...
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anchor for wmrp news radio in pensacola. in new york, jamie floyd, anchor of "in session." we heard police this was a murder that unfolded and the police chiefs word, like a movie script. today they provided surveillance video. walk us through what that is. >> we've got two pieces of surveillance video to show you. first of all, this came from the family's house. this was part of the surveillance system they had set up outside and inside the house. see men running across the yard, going into what is a back door of the house. while they were doing that, there was another team going in the front door. see how they're dressed. dressed in dark clothes. their faces covered with a mask. the slst described them as dressed like ninjas. see them there going into the house. this was all very precise. they say it looks like they had practiced this and were very well-prepared when they attacked this house. another piece of surveillance video we have to show you is a still photo that came from a surveillance yesterday you at walmart in t
anchor for wmrp news radio in pensacola. in new york, jamie floyd, anchor of "in session." we heard police this was a murder that unfolded and the police chiefs word, like a movie script. today they provided surveillance video. walk us through what that is. >> we've got two pieces of surveillance video to show you. first of all, this came from the family's house. this was part of the surveillance system they had set up outside and inside the house. see men running across the...
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>> he's been around pensacola for a long time. currently it's a used car dealership and the finance arm of the house as well. it's a buy here pay here place. interestingly enough, mike, it's about a block down from the sheriff's department. i mean it's just down the street past all the bail bonds spots. we've also heard people say it's one of those tough buy here pay heres. you miss that payment by a day they're going to send someone to grab the car back from you. it's possible that pat gonzalez jr. was the victim of that, missed a payment, a day late, two days late, and boom, his car's gone, sew neo he needed ar vehicle. maybe a little revenge in there. but this claim -- this, by the way, is a claim to investigators, and i'm kind of wondering how it leaked out, whether it was from an investigator or somebody on gonzalez's side, maybe his lawyer, just to throw a little more, little shake and bake move on us here, saying -- he could claim a lot of things. remember early on they talked about his facebook, or his myspace page, we are
>> he's been around pensacola for a long time. currently it's a used car dealership and the finance arm of the house as well. it's a buy here pay here place. interestingly enough, mike, it's about a block down from the sheriff's department. i mean it's just down the street past all the bail bonds spots. we've also heard people say it's one of those tough buy here pay heres. you miss that payment by a day they're going to send someone to grab the car back from you. it's possible that pat...
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ed lavandera joins us live from pensacola. also learned a woman is wanted for questioning as well. >> reporter: you're right, chuck. we've known about the involvement of federal agencies into this. but it seems to continue adding into the intrigue and the mystery surrounding these murders and what appears to be a lot of unanswered questions at this point. but to get to your point about the woman that authorities have been looking for. that seems to be something developing here as we speak. we've been told by authorities in pensacola that another press conference has been scheduled. that will start at the top of the next hour here. 4:00 eastern. we were asking the sheriff if that meant this woman, pamela laverne long who officers said they were looking for that meant she was located. they smirked an told us they would have to wait. reading between the lines that appears to be what might be happening. we'll see how that plays out. she's been described as a woman who was possibly the landlord of one of the suspects, the ringleade
ed lavandera joins us live from pensacola. also learned a woman is wanted for questioning as well. >> reporter: you're right, chuck. we've known about the involvement of federal agencies into this. but it seems to continue adding into the intrigue and the mystery surrounding these murders and what appears to be a lot of unanswered questions at this point. but to get to your point about the woman that authorities have been looking for. that seems to be something developing here as we...
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jon: we're waiting for news conference to begin any minute now in pensacola. you can see banks of microphones at already. in to the investigation of berg and melody -- into the murder investigation of berg and melody billings. but authorities are still looking for at least one more person of interest, something they theorized failed to tail out his assignment to disable the surveillance system. police arrested 47-year-old pamela wigans yesterday, described as a necessity to murder. the gang in this video spends just four minutes inside their home. nine of the 15 adopted children were at home when their parents were killed. brian, what about this new evidence that has been retrieved? what can you tell us? >> yes, that is the new development in this area today. pamela was found at a wharf in nearby orange beach, alabama. we now have pictures of something being retrieved from the wharf. there is speculation this may be the safe from the robbery. we are going to hear in the next few minutes about what the evidence might be but this would be a huge development. the
jon: we're waiting for news conference to begin any minute now in pensacola. you can see banks of microphones at already. in to the investigation of berg and melody -- into the murder investigation of berg and melody billings. but authorities are still looking for at least one more person of interest, something they theorized failed to tail out his assignment to disable the surveillance system. police arrested 47-year-old pamela wigans yesterday, described as a necessity to murder. the gang in...
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ed lavandera, pensacola, florida. >> it is shocking. so many questions remain. we will look at the victims of this crime. two loving parents, their mission to help kids and the heartbroken family they leave behind. >>> a dramatic close call. a stunt prone goes down in germy. take a look at this. we're going to show you what happens next. (announcer) you can make a bigger difference in the world. you can make a positive change in your career. you can make a greater contribution to the greater good. and you can start today, by earning your degree online... at walden university. where advanced degrees advance the quality of life. >>> before the break we told you about the arrests in the murders of byrd and melanie billings. the couple who raised 17 kids, most adopted. gunned down in their florida home last week. police have seven suspects in custody, looking for one more person. as the investigation moves forward, we want to take a closer look at the billings, who they were, what they did and why they touched the lives of so many people. here is david mattingly. >>
ed lavandera, pensacola, florida. >> it is shocking. so many questions remain. we will look at the victims of this crime. two loving parents, their mission to help kids and the heartbroken family they leave behind. >>> a dramatic close call. a stunt prone goes down in germy. take a look at this. we're going to show you what happens next. (announcer) you can make a bigger difference in the world. you can make a positive change in your career. you can make a greater contribution to...
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news radio down in pensacola, as well. rob, let me start with you and have you bring us up to date on the latest information. at least seven people now, an organized gang, their ages ranging from 56 to 16 years old. police saying robbery was the motive or at least one of the motives. but it feels like there's other stuff going on that we still don't know yet. what can you tell us? >> campbell, i think that's a really good point there. you notice yesterday we talked about the f bifbi, the dea, all on this and the news briefing at noon he said this is going to go to other states and other countries. so we've just maybe turned over the first few rocks in this whole series, or as the sheriff told me earlier today, this is more like a cecil mill production. it's an epic struggle, but the state attorney says that this matter is concluded. so they're happy they have at least this part of the case already solved. >> well, rob, yesterday police said the suspects had no connection to the buildings, but they're also today saying that
news radio down in pensacola, as well. rob, let me start with you and have you bring us up to date on the latest information. at least seven people now, an organized gang, their ages ranging from 56 to 16 years old. police saying robbery was the motive or at least one of the motives. but it feels like there's other stuff going on that we still don't know yet. what can you tell us? >> campbell, i think that's a really good point there. you notice yesterday we talked about the f bifbi, the...
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steve osunsami, abc news, pensacola, florida. >>> president obama arrived back home in d.c. in the early hours of the morning after summits in russia and italy. but it was a trip to ghana that provided the emotional cap on his trip there. our ron claiborne joins us from accra, the west african capital. good morning, ron. >> reporter: good morning, bill. from perspective here, the trip to africa was a huge success, not just for the symbolism of the first african-american u.s. president visiting africa, but for what he said, very forceful language, castigating african leaders for their failures and urging the african people to take control of their own destiny. president obama brought his family with him on his final poignant stop in ghana. the cape coast castle where african slaves were held awaiting shipment for the americas. >> i'll never forget the image of my two young daughters, the descendants of africans and african-americans, walking through those doors of no return, but then walking back those doors of return. >> reporter: earlier, the president delivered a forceful
steve osunsami, abc news, pensacola, florida. >>> president obama arrived back home in d.c. in the early hours of the morning after summits in russia and italy. but it was a trip to ghana that provided the emotional cap on his trip there. our ron claiborne joins us from accra, the west african capital. good morning, ron. >> reporter: good morning, bill. from perspective here, the trip to africa was a huge success, not just for the symbolism of the first african-american u.s....
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. >> in florida, authorities revealed chilling new details in the murder of pensacola couple. authorities said eight people were involved in what amounded on a commandostyle assault on the house where the coup lived with many of their 16 children. police began to talk about motive or motives for the murders. here's steve only sun sammi. >> reporter: late today police released a second video of two men entering the home. they were dressed in black like ninjas and entered through an unlocked door on the side of the home. another video released lack week show another set of intruders. it's clear the police are looking for a crew. >> we have a motive of robbery. because of the repedestrianity of the crime. entry into the house, exit into the house, indicates again something that was well planned, well thought out and well executed. >> reporter: police say they're looking for the rest of this team. some of them seen in these photos. authorities won't say what they stole or if the robbers new the family. >> when the couple was murdered nine of the children were home. many have sever
. >> in florida, authorities revealed chilling new details in the murder of pensacola couple. authorities said eight people were involved in what amounded on a commandostyle assault on the house where the coup lived with many of their 16 children. police began to talk about motive or motives for the murders. here's steve only sun sammi. >> reporter: late today police released a second video of two men entering the home. they were dressed in black like ninjas and entered through an...
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steve osunsami is in pensacola, florida. steve? >> terry, tonight investigators here have made yet another arrest in this case. they have arrested a man they believe they can tie to the scene of the crime, a person who they believe helped storm this couple's home. they have yet to explain all the events leading up to the killing. thursday night, the police arrive at the sprawling home of byrd and melanie billings to find a grisly murder. the couple shot several times in their bedroom. just hours before the murders, a school bus driver had dropped some of the children off after school. >> i let the kids off at 2:45 and mr. and ms. billings got them off the bus. they always dressed the kids really nice and sent them to school and she made sure they had nice things. >> the billings were known for their generosity in town and their love in kids. they were here at a benefit to raise awareness for kids with down syndrome. bud bills described how he and his wife live for their children's small successes. >> we don't expect miracles from t
steve osunsami is in pensacola, florida. steve? >> terry, tonight investigators here have made yet another arrest in this case. they have arrested a man they believe they can tie to the scene of the crime, a person who they believe helped storm this couple's home. they have yet to explain all the events leading up to the killing. thursday night, the police arrive at the sprawling home of byrd and melanie billings to find a grisly murder. the couple shot several times in their bedroom....
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we begin with breaking news of an arrest in last week's double killing of a couple near pensacola with 16 children, many with special needs. our david mattingly is there. david, what can you tell us? we are hearing there is an arrest. i see them getting ready for a press conference behind you. >> reporter: that's right, don. one arrest in the killings of bird and melanie billings. they were found dead in their homes. investigators say this case was tied to a discovery of a large red van caught on security cameras at the couples' home. that van was found yesterday. they have two people they have been talking to as persons of interest. one of those persons has been arrested. a third person is connected with this crime they are still looking for. we hope to hear more details as the sheriff takes the podium behind me to give us an update. this case as of saturday was going rather slowly. they were running into roadblocks and dead ends until they got a tip about the large red van. made by dodge. it was thought it would stand out like a sore thumb. somebody did spot it, directed police how t
we begin with breaking news of an arrest in last week's double killing of a couple near pensacola with 16 children, many with special needs. our david mattingly is there. david, what can you tell us? we are hearing there is an arrest. i see them getting ready for a press conference behind you. >> reporter: that's right, don. one arrest in the killings of bird and melanie billings. they were found dead in their homes. investigators say this case was tied to a discovery of a large red van...
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nbc's mark potter is in pensacola with the latest. good morning to you. >> reporter: this is a sad case which led to a busy night here at the sheriff's office in pensacola where they announced three arrests late into the night. the second person to be arrested in the case but the first to be charged with murder is 31-year-old wayne coldiron accused in the shooting deaths of byrd and melanie billings at their home west of pensacola late thursday evening. >> to the best of our knowledge, mr. coldiron is a local individual. day laborer of sort. known to work with car dealers. those sorts of things. >> reporter: shortly after that announcement, there was a dramatic moment when the sheriff excused himself from the podium. >> can you pause for one moment? morez("ú breaking news. we are proud and pleased to announce a third arrest. >> reporter: also announced with leonard patrick gonzalez jr. who was escorted by investigators on saturday before being questioned as a person of interest in the case. walking next to him was his own father who
nbc's mark potter is in pensacola with the latest. good morning to you. >> reporter: this is a sad case which led to a busy night here at the sheriff's office in pensacola where they announced three arrests late into the night. the second person to be arrested in the case but the first to be charged with murder is 31-year-old wayne coldiron accused in the shooting deaths of byrd and melanie billings at their home west of pensacola late thursday evening. >> to the best of our...
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a pensacola newspaper is suggesting murder for hire. cnn john king asked the county sheriff about that speculation on last night's "ac 360." >> we understand that was within a year, i believe. i have not read those documents. my staff briefed me on it today because they are working with the state attorney's office to get documents and evidence in preparation for the grand jury. to the best of my recollection it was within a year that he financed the opening of the martial arts center. >> is it a possibility mr. gonzalez had a debt unwilling or unable to pay and the murder is related to that? >> we have yet to determine that. again, as i have stated to many people many times we are not investigating the billings family. we are investigating the subjects we currently have incarcerat incarcerated. the investigation could lead to that. we will be asking those questions, was the debt he made ever satisfied. our focus is on mr. gonzalez, not the byrd family. >> gonzalez did proclaim his innocence in a statement last week. >>> all right. did y
a pensacola newspaper is suggesting murder for hire. cnn john king asked the county sheriff about that speculation on last night's "ac 360." >> we understand that was within a year, i believe. i have not read those documents. my staff briefed me on it today because they are working with the state attorney's office to get documents and evidence in preparation for the grand jury. to the best of my recollection it was within a year that he financed the opening of the martial arts...
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brian wilson is live in pensacola, florida with new details on that. brian, i hear there's going to be a news conference in an hour and 15 minutes from now? >> actually it would be at 1:00 eastern time there would be a press conference with the sheriff. now look we have seven people in custody and the sheriff says the murder is solved. the murder is completely solved in his estimation but there's always been one other person of interest. today said yesterday this person might be someone who aided or abetted and they weren't sure if they were going to bring charges but at this press conference the sheriff will come out and identify this person, they will give a picture of that person and say to us this person is a person of prominence in this community, someone well known in this community, someone of statueture and will find it very interesting but at this point it doesn't appear any charges are being leveled against this individual so that should be interesting to watch at 1:00. one other thing that's developing here, as they try to solve this will mu
brian wilson is live in pensacola, florida with new details on that. brian, i hear there's going to be a news conference in an hour and 15 minutes from now? >> actually it would be at 1:00 eastern time there would be a press conference with the sheriff. now look we have seven people in custody and the sheriff says the murder is solved. the murder is completely solved in his estimation but there's always been one other person of interest. today said yesterday this person might be someone...
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ed lavandera has our report from pensacola. ed. >> reporter: well, lou, investigators appear to be winding down this investigation. they say they have the seven suspects they believe were on the property the night the billings' couple was murdered. this investigation continues to grow and move in various different directions. we've been hearing about federal law enforcement involvement with dea coming out today and confirming that we are involved. that seems to suggest a new aspect of this investigation at this point. also authorities say they were looking for two people of interest. one of them, they identified this afternoon, a woman, they believe had been in contact with the alleged ring leader of this group. she was found in orange beach. alabama, about 40 miles west of where we are here in pensacola. we under that authorities have been speaking with her. now we've been told that authorities are planning yet another press conference for later on this evening. whether or not it has to do with this woman, we don't know at thi
ed lavandera has our report from pensacola. ed. >> reporter: well, lou, investigators appear to be winding down this investigation. they say they have the seven suspects they believe were on the property the night the billings' couple was murdered. this investigation continues to grow and move in various different directions. we've been hearing about federal law enforcement involvement with dea coming out today and confirming that we are involved. that seems to suggest a new aspect of...
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ed lavandera for us in pensacola. thanks. you heard from sheriff morgan in charge of the investigation. he'll join us live in 30 minutes. stay around for that. >>> for the first time ever, video is surfacing this morning showing the moment michael jackson's hair caught fire while filming the pepsi commercial happened 25 years ago now. some are asking, was it a turning point for the king of pop? ted rowlands has more for you from los angeles. >> this accident took place in 1984 in los angeles. michael jackson blamed his addiction to pain medication on this accident. when you watched the video, it is very clear that, indeed, this accident was very serious. >> reporter: the video obtained by "us weekly" shows michael jackson's hair on fire. you can see jackson doesn't seem to notice until people surround him. the first one there was jackson's long-time friend mikko brando, son of marlon brando. >> i went up to him, shook his head, threw him on the ground and tried to do the best i could. >> you could see as jackson gets up, his
ed lavandera for us in pensacola. thanks. you heard from sheriff morgan in charge of the investigation. he'll join us live in 30 minutes. stay around for that. >>> for the first time ever, video is surfacing this morning showing the moment michael jackson's hair caught fire while filming the pepsi commercial happened 25 years ago now. some are asking, was it a turning point for the king of pop? ted rowlands has more for you from los angeles. >> this accident took place in 1984 in...
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and a double-murder that has stunned a community just outside pensacola. a couple killed in what was apparently a home invasion while eight of their children were also inside. nbc's mark potter is miami with the latest. mark. >> reporter: good evening, lester. police say they're looking for three suspects seen leaving the crime scene in a red van. the murders occurred after a break-in at a large rural home west of pensacola, florida. the ctims, burt anmelanie billings were shot multiple times while in their bedroom around 7:00 thursday night. the billings were well known and well regarded locally because they had 16 children. 12 of whom they adopted. >> burt and melanie billings, i believe, exemplified what is good and decent in society. they have been prominently mentioned in the local media on numerous occasions for outreach and humanitarian efforts and assisting children with autism and downs syndrome. >> now, authorities say eight of the children ranging 8 to 14 were in the house at the time of the murders but none of them was hurt. police say they do
and a double-murder that has stunned a community just outside pensacola. a couple killed in what was apparently a home invasion while eight of their children were also inside. nbc's mark potter is miami with the latest. mark. >> reporter: good evening, lester. police say they're looking for three suspects seen leaving the crime scene in a red van. the murders occurred after a break-in at a large rural home west of pensacola, florida. the ctims, burt anmelanie billings were shot multiple...
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they owned a finance company in pensacola they owned several used car delearships. interest there may be a connection with one of those charged with murder who also worked for another used car dealership. so they are trying to piece what they say is an extraordinarily complex crime together right now. shep, they say there may be other reasons beyond the simple motive of robbery. shepard: have they made decisions about what happens to all those kids? >> well, actually the biological daughter of the billings that you just heard from there says that right now all the children are together. they are with family and friends. they are all staying together. they are coping as well as they can. they haven't made any long-term decisions. ashley says she wants to continue her parents' legacy in looking after disabled children, shep. shepard: jonathan hunt in our newsroom in new york. kim jong il's defiance of the world demands has brought us all the more closer to a deadly conflict. now word comes that the north korean leader may already be carrying out his own private battle
they owned a finance company in pensacola they owned several used car delearships. interest there may be a connection with one of those charged with murder who also worked for another used car dealership. so they are trying to piece what they say is an extraordinarily complex crime together right now. shep, they say there may be other reasons beyond the simple motive of robbery. shepard: have they made decisions about what happens to all those kids? >> well, actually the biological...
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c's mark potter joins me now live from pensacola. i understandnvestigators interviewed twpersonof interest saturday. what can you tl us about that? >> rorter: hi, nora thre indeed classified right nows persons of interest. they are being interviewed, not interrogated. they are not arrested at this point. they areot in custody. but the sheriff said the investigation isoing along very well. the discovery of th red van was huge f them and so he sa do not b surprised if they come out here in a few hours fr now to announce at least one rrest, if not o. they think they arehat close to it at this time. they are also looking for a third man wh is also bieved toe been involved ithe killg of the parents of thos children at that house west of pensacola. but as yet thatrson has not been identifi. norah. >> mak, inderstand that nine of the couple's children were at me at the timeof the shootings. hove you heard about how those children are dog? >> it's got to be rough on them we are to that they are in the hands of relatives, they a being kept to
c's mark potter joins me now live from pensacola. i understandnvestigators interviewed twpersonof interest saturday. what can you tl us about that? >> rorter: hi, nora thre indeed classified right nows persons of interest. they are being interviewed, not interrogated. they are not arrested at this point. they areot in custody. but the sheriff said the investigation isoing along very well. the discovery of th red van was huge f them and so he sa do not b surprised if they come out here in...
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cnn's ed lavandera on the case for us in pensacola. ed, help us out. what can you confirm? >> reporter: well, i guess we should start off with these reports with connections to organized crime and that sort of thing. we have been hearing on background from various people most of the week about these connections involving these suspects. however, as we have tried to gather information on that, we have kept hitting roadblocks. and, in fact, we're hearing from various colleagues of mine, hearing from various federal sources on this, that at this point, there just doesn't seem to be enough there. we don't get the sense from the sources on the federal level that we're talking to that there's much credence to -- to any kind of organized crime on behalf of these -- of these suspects. so, it's been, you know, a very delicate thing, but it has been adding to the swirl of speculation that has been going on with this story throughout most of the week. but that's kind of where we stand there. but also a great twist, an amazing twist, this morning just as family members and friends were
cnn's ed lavandera on the case for us in pensacola. ed, help us out. what can you confirm? >> reporter: well, i guess we should start off with these reports with connections to organized crime and that sort of thing. we have been hearing on background from various people most of the week about these connections involving these suspects. however, as we have tried to gather information on that, we have kept hitting roadblocks. and, in fact, we're hearing from various colleagues of mine,...
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terrell brown joins us this morning with the latest from pensacola. good morning, terrell. >> reporter: good morning to you. the big question for days now has been why? how did this happen? we've confirmed this morning that the primary motive in this case was robbery. several arrests still have to be made this morning, still waiting to bring one person to justice. >> we're about that close. >> reporter: police know his name and where he lives. they say it's only a matter of time before moving in on the last suspect in the brutal killing. yesterday, this man stood in a pensacola courtroom. 35-year-old leonard gonzalez jr., the alleged mastermind of the attack. he's won awards for community service, is passionate about teaching karate to young children served in the national guard and claims he's innocent. >> the investigator and the sheriff have focused their case entirely on me even pushing me into the media before evidence was gathered. >> reporter: gonzalez jr. is one of seven men now in police custody charged in the murders. police say some of the
terrell brown joins us this morning with the latest from pensacola. good morning, terrell. >> reporter: good morning to you. the big question for days now has been why? how did this happen? we've confirmed this morning that the primary motive in this case was robbery. several arrests still have to be made this morning, still waiting to bring one person to justice. >> we're about that close. >> reporter: police know his name and where he lives. they say it's only a matter of...
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live a little-- a lot. >>> live again to florida near pensacola. the double murder of a florida couple. we're expecting a news conference to happen within this hour. it could come right at the top of the hour just as we're going off the air. if it does, you can go to cnn.com/live. otherwise, we'll have it right here for you live on cnn. >>> take a look now at the space shuttle. live on the launchpad. this is also out of florida. it is not going anywhere tonight. for the second time in as many days. nasa has scrubbed the scheduled launch of "endeavour." the shuttle was supposed to have lifted off in the 7:00 p.m. hour, but just minutes before nasa backed off because storms around the 20-mile radius of florida's kennedy space center. there were storms there. the new launch time is tomorrow evening just before 7:00 p.m. eastern, and whenever it happens, of course, you can watch it live right here on cnn. >>> jacqui jeras will tell us about that plus a look ahead at our workweek forecast. what do you have, jacqui? >> i just want to show you a radar ima
live a little-- a lot. >>> live again to florida near pensacola. the double murder of a florida couple. we're expecting a news conference to happen within this hour. it could come right at the top of the hour just as we're going off the air. if it does, you can go to cnn.com/live. otherwise, we'll have it right here for you live on cnn. >>> take a look now at the space shuttle. live on the launchpad. this is also out of florida. it is not going anywhere tonight. for the second...
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>> mark potter in pensacola, florida. thank you, mark. and for more now we turn to nbc news analyst and former fbi criminal profiler clint van zandt. good morning to you. >> hi, natalie. >> help us make a little bit of sense out of all of this. a senseless act, of course can't make sense out of this. a group this size and as mark potter was reporting, who had carefully planned this, it sounds like, for over a month, but yet they sort of all worked together in this auto shop. how does a group come to this idea to commit a crime of this nature? >> well, it's interesting. you look at the group, and you showed the pictures earlier. we've got both african-americans and whites who came together to make this. there's always going to be one leader. perhaps somebody with some military background. and i think what this is going to turn out to be is kind of a fantasy crime, natalie. that one person said, hey, look at this large house. these people own multiple car agencies. and then somebody else says yeah, i heard they keep a lot of money in the ho
>> mark potter in pensacola, florida. thank you, mark. and for more now we turn to nbc news analyst and former fbi criminal profiler clint van zandt. good morning to you. >> hi, natalie. >> help us make a little bit of sense out of all of this. a senseless act, of course can't make sense out of this. a group this size and as mark potter was reporting, who had carefully planned this, it sounds like, for over a month, but yet they sort of all worked together in this auto shop....
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. >>> moments ago the sheriff in pensaco pensacola, florida, announcing new arrests at the home apparently in a robbery with nine of the kids in the house. this woman, pamela longwiggens sought and then brought in for questioning now under arrest. we have details ahead. >>> also, video seen for the first time of the accident that set michael jackson's hair on fire. was it a turning point for him? did it set him on a path to drug addiction and eventually death? new details on that and showing you the tape. it is frankly unbelievable. >>> also, a powerful, emotional journey. we trace the roots of michelle obama back to the great, great grandfather and rice plantation in south carolina. we begin with breaking news. another shocker in the florida double murder that horrified the nation. the sheriff just minutes ago making the brief announcement. listen. >> tonight, we are taking into custody miss pamela longwiggens and she will be charged with accessory after the fact for felony murder. again, tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. we'll hold a joint press conference. we'll fill you in on the specific
. >>> moments ago the sheriff in pensaco pensacola, florida, announcing new arrests at the home apparently in a robbery with nine of the kids in the house. this woman, pamela longwiggens sought and then brought in for questioning now under arrest. we have details ahead. >>> also, video seen for the first time of the accident that set michael jackson's hair on fire. was it a turning point for him? did it set him on a path to drug addiction and eventually death? new details on...
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mark potters joins us from pensacola. mark, did police talk about what the suspects took from the home? you don't often see a sheriff embracing a victim's family member at a press conference. >> reporter: well, this sheriff is very proud of the work that's been done here. he's also quite adept at dealing with the media, and he brought everybody together for that purpose, to announce that, indeed, they have seven people in custody, six adults and the 16-year-old who, by the way, will be tried as an adult on murder charges. everyone in this case will face murder charges, even the man who was arrested a couple days ago for just tampering with evidence. his charges will also be elevated. as to what was taken from the house, you said it, it was a safe. the prosecutor would only say that. he would not say how much money, if any, was in the safe, whether it was recovered or anything like that. still to be unanswered is why the billings had to die in what was described as predominantly a robbery. what was the confrontation like,
mark potters joins us from pensacola. mark, did police talk about what the suspects took from the home? you don't often see a sheriff embracing a victim's family member at a press conference. >> reporter: well, this sheriff is very proud of the work that's been done here. he's also quite adept at dealing with the media, and he brought everybody together for that purpose, to announce that, indeed, they have seven people in custody, six adults and the 16-year-old who, by the way, will be...
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ed lavandera from pensacola, florida, with the very latest. ed, are there any special plans now for this funeral? >> reporter: well, yeah, that will be held later on this morning. we expect a large gathering of people as they come to pay their final respects to byrd and melanie buildings here in pensacola. that will continue to go on this morning. there was a viewing yesterday that had a lot of friends and family turning out and people who had known the couple well, including the many people who had worked with them and helped them care for the children, as well. but in the meantime, the investigation here in pensacola continues even though authorities here don't have anything scheduled as far as today is concerned so far. they know -- we know they are continuing to process those key pieces of evidence that were gathered yesterday, including the safe, which was found on one of the properties owned by pamela wiggins, and authorities here say there are still two or three other people of interest they're looking into and possibly another arrest t
ed lavandera from pensacola, florida, with the very latest. ed, are there any special plans now for this funeral? >> reporter: well, yeah, that will be held later on this morning. we expect a large gathering of people as they come to pay their final respects to byrd and melanie buildings here in pensacola. that will continue to go on this morning. there was a viewing yesterday that had a lot of friends and family turning out and people who had known the couple well, including the many...
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yup, you're covered. >>> live again to florida near pensacola. the double murder of a florida couple. we're expecting a news conference to happen within this hour. it could come right at the top of the hour just as we're going off the air. if it does, you can go to cnn.com/live. otherwise, we'll have it right here for you live on cnn. >>> take a look now at the space shuttle. live on the launchpad. this is also out of florida. it is not going anywhere tonight. for the second time in as many days. nasa has scrubbed the scheduled launch of "endeavour." the shuttle was supposed to have lifted off in the 7:00 p.m. hour, but just minutes before nasa backed off because storms around the 20-mile radius of florida's kennedy space center. there were storms there. the new launch time is tomorrow evening just before 7:00 p.m. eastern, and whenever it happens, of course, you can watch it live right here on cnn. >>> jacqui jeras will tell us about that plus a look ahead at our workweek forecast. what do you have, jaqui? >> i just want to show you a radar imag
yup, you're covered. >>> live again to florida near pensacola. the double murder of a florida couple. we're expecting a news conference to happen within this hour. it could come right at the top of the hour just as we're going off the air. if it does, you can go to cnn.com/live. otherwise, we'll have it right here for you live on cnn. >>> take a look now at the space shuttle. live on the launchpad. this is also out of florida. it is not going anywhere tonight. for the second...
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kathryn brown for cbs news. >>> back in 2005 the billings told the pensacola news journal they wanted to share their wealth with children in need but they didn't imagine their children -- family would grow so large. >>> and police are investigating the death of a elderly woman whose police -- body was found in the freezer. her grandson called police to her apartment in glen burnie. that is where they found the body of dooris cook as we said in a freezer. cook lived in her apartment with her two daughters. she apparently died a few weeks back. >> we don't know why -- i won't make a false statement because that would be ignorant on my part so -- we -- you know we're -- they are still looking into it. still looking to find out what happened. >> at this point, again, there has been no death determination made. and that there are no suspects at this time. >> authorities say cook suffered from a host of medical conditions. and had been bedridden for a long time. they also say they believe she was dead before she was put in that freezer. >>> the fairfax county board of supervisors will hold
kathryn brown for cbs news. >>> back in 2005 the billings told the pensacola news journal they wanted to share their wealth with children in need but they didn't imagine their children -- family would grow so large. >>> and police are investigating the death of a elderly woman whose police -- body was found in the freezer. her grandson called police to her apartment in glen burnie. that is where they found the body of dooris cook as we said in a freezer. cook lived in her...
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brian wilson live with the news in pensacola tonight. brian, back to this realtor whom cops found in alabama. what do we know about a connection to this case? >> basically, we want to point out she is a person of interest at this point, not a suspect. she is in this building as we speak being questioned by authorities. they want to know about her relationship with a man that deputies say was the mastermind of this crime. take a listen to the sheriff this afternoon. >> we know that she was associated with leonard patrick gonzalez jr. up until the day of the murders. and so, again, we would like to get information from her about his activities, whereabouts, movements, those sorts of things. again, she is a person of interest because of her close association with him. >> her name is pamela long, shep, and she is a local realtor of some note. she is known well in this community. shepard: she had rented to that man about whom the sheriff spoke. we understand there is another person of interest still out there somewhere. >> you touched on it,
brian wilson live with the news in pensacola tonight. brian, back to this realtor whom cops found in alabama. what do we know about a connection to this case? >> basically, we want to point out she is a person of interest at this point, not a suspect. she is in this building as we speak being questioned by authorities. they want to know about her relationship with a man that deputies say was the mastermind of this crime. take a listen to the sheriff this afternoon. >> we know that...
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before the service began the billings family spoke to reporters and ed lavandera is in pensacola and, ed, not your typical behavior would be after the funeral. what would you say? >> based on what the family attorney just revealed, something quite unexpected. the family attorney coming out a little while ago and probably to the dismay of investigators and prosecutors in this case revealing what has really been at the heart and the center of a lot of speculation just what was inside the safes taken from the billings home. >> as a result of the intense speculation regarding the motive of the crime, i have been authorized to tell you that the safe that was removed from the billings home contained only children's prescription medication, important family documents and some jewelry of sentimental value. hopefully, this will put to rest the intense speculation and rumors that are swirling about the billings family. >> susan. we've tried to reach out to the sheriff's office here and they are deferring all comments to the attorney. whether this attorney is saying is, indeed, accurate. but the
before the service began the billings family spoke to reporters and ed lavandera is in pensacola and, ed, not your typical behavior would be after the funeral. what would you say? >> based on what the family attorney just revealed, something quite unexpected. the family attorney coming out a little while ago and probably to the dismay of investigators and prosecutors in this case revealing what has really been at the heart and the center of a lot of speculation just what was inside the...