also joining us, deborah williams, the aunt of talacia fortson, her body identified today. first, to barbara carmichael, the mother of murder victim tonya carmichael. and as they are speaking, rosy, i would like you to show those beautiful photos we have of tonya carmichael. look at that smile. look at her. to her mother, barbara c carmicha carmichael. thank you for being with us. when did you learn your daughter was one of the victims allegedly of anthony sowell? >> tuesday. and thank you for having us. it's tuesday afternoon. >> wednesday. >> was it wednesday? >> uh-huh. >> the days are melting together here lately. wednesday afternoon. >> you know, ms. carmichael, i know how that feels when the days all -- time just seems to stop and everything just seems to blend together. >> right. exactly. >> tell me about your little girl. would you please tell me about her? what was she like growing up? >> she's always been a beautiful person to me, of course. very lively, very active, very fun-loving, outgoing and friendly. i used to tell her, don't be so friendly to people that yo

also joining us, deborah williams, the aunt of victim talacia fortson, her body identified today. first, to barbara carmichael, the mother of murder victim tonia carmichael. and as they are speaking, rosy, i would like you to show those beautiful photos we have of tonia carmichael. look at that smile. look at her. to her mother, barbara carmichael. ms. carmichael, thank you for being with us. when did you learn your daughter was one of the victims allegedly of anthony sowell? >> tuesday. and thank you for having us. it was tuesday afternoon. >> wednesday. >> was it wednesday? >> uh-huh. >> the days are melting together here lately. wednesday afternoon. >> you know, ms. carmichael, i know how that feels when the days all -- time just seems to stop and everything starts blending together. >> right. exactly. >> ms. carmichael, would you tell me about your little girl? would you please tell me about her? what was she like growing up? >> she's always been a beautiful person to me, of course. very lively, very active, very fun-loving, outgoing and friendly. i used to tell her, don't be

with me right now is deborah williams. she's talacia. her body identified today. talacia fortson. thank you for being with us. when did you learn that your niece is allegedly one of sowell's many, many victims. >> i guess today about 1:00, 1:30. it was very hard, but we got to keep going, and we got to constantly bring other families in and stay strong for her children. she had three small children wlsh. >> how old are her children? >> the oldest one is 6. the other one is 4 1/2, and the other one is 2 1/2. >> hmm.

with me, right now, deborah williams. she's the aunt of victim talacia. ms. williams, thank you for being with us. when did you learn that your niece is one of the many, many victims? >> today i guess about 1:00, 1130. it was very hard. we have to constantly pray for the children. >> how old are her children? >> the oldest one is 6 and the other one is 4 and the other one is 2 1/2. >>> seven died of lig ga tur strangulation and, two, the body precludes and straight out to the former nypd, bill, i imagine that many, if not all of those 14 women police are talking about will be connected to seoul. >> yes, and the sowell. >> and then they will be able to tie them to the victims and this is primarily what they are going to be doing. as a result of the dna evidence that they may be able to have and further in the case, they may be able to build quite a case with this monster. >> you're right, bill. and to doctor, a lot of these women are skelatalinized. how can they ever make an identification. >> certainly that would help to identify the particular person and als

also joining us, deborah williams, the aunt of talacia horton i would love to show those beautiful photos that we have of tonya carmichael. look at that smile. look at her. to her mother, ms. carmichael, thank you for being with us. when did you learn your daughter was one of the victims allegedly of anthony sowell? >> tuesday. and thank you for having us. it's tuesday afternoon. was it wednesday? the days are melting together here lately. >> you know, ms. carmichael, i know how that feels when the days -- time just seems to stop and everything just seems to blend together. >> right. >> exactly. >> tell me about your little girl. would you please tell me about her? what was she like growing up? >> she's always been a beautiful person to me, of course. very lively, very active, very fun-loving, outgoing and friendly. i used used to tell her, don't be so friendly to people that you doempbt know but this was the way that she was. growing up i had to kind of watch it, keep a tight reigns on her but she grew up to be a lovely adult. she had three children who he was carrying for by herself. >>