for example, when dave walker and i talked to groups on behalf of the foundation, when people understand, particularly young people, that their taxes would have to double, and they understand for example payroll taxes are the big tax paid by 80% of the public, they begin to say, hey, this has got something to do with me. >> you make a very good point, david walker, about how some of the choices our leaders made in the past that we're not following today. tell me about that. >> we can learn from history. leadership starts at the top with the president of the united states. let's learn first. president bush '41 and president clinton did three things in common. broke campaign promises on tax he didn't expand entitlement programs. guess what? president bush '43 did the opposite. so far it's early for president obama. president obama needs to learn from president bush '41 and president clinton. there is a way forward. >> christine, if i could jump in, i think this fall elections is very much about this issue, about the deficit. you've seen polling data. it's the number one issue for voters. v

our ceo dave walker will talk about engaging other constituencies. all some people see me as dr. doom of the jet set, i am actually still hopeful. america has faced worst challenges before. in the aftermath of world war ii, our nation confronted a debt of over 110% of gdp. twice of what it is now, and a world economy in shambles. nevertheless, that generation manage to reduce the public debt to less than 30% of gdp while simultaneously launching and paying for the g.i. bill, the marshall plan, the un, and building the interstate highway system and other major infrastructure. they did it with courage and commitment and a positive vision of a prosperous nation at peace. and so can we. we need a positive, optimistic vision of what's an economically healthy and growing america would look like and what it will mean to our kids and grandkids.

dave harland, another colonel, pat malloy he was retired from the rains, it john coleman who is retired as a colonel. people you and i would have never heard about, who would not even have appeared in the history books except perhaps as a footnote. good, solid americans who want to do the right thing. this is the real-- i hate to wax eloquent on this or be emotional about it but these are just really solid americans, and it gave me great hope, it gives me great hope that there are so many of them wrestling with everyday problems on the ground. how do we help the school in anbar? how do we talk to this shake? what about a job for this this juvenile to lakeland? can to get more factories in this area? what about these retail shops? that is the hard, tough work on the war on terrorism and it is what makes me confident that at the end of the day, we will probably win this. it is going to take a while. >> host: on the iraqi side you identified, i will call them underground-- unknown heroes. >> guest: a businessman from al anbar who was the head of the political wing of the insurgency. >> hos