but the cia inspector general released a report or the cia released the inspector general report last year in april in which the inspector general, john halvorson released before the had authority to do so. the waterboarded in anticipation of receiving a written authority, and i think that not every waterboarding session was being reported. in fact i think they just consolidated into the one that i saw and they said he was waterboarded, here's what he said. it's actionable. director heaton said in the congressional testimony a year ago or so, two years ago, that the information was actionable and it did result in the description of the attack. but then you have to ask two questions. number one, was a right, and i say in the book i think it was not right. but number two did it work. if you have to water board somebody 83 times which we now know is what happened before he gives you the information, i think again, it doesn't work. if that report had been developed, i think he probably would have given at least enough information to allow us to act on it. a couple of weeks later the direc

and the cia promised mrs. welsh that we would bring his killers to justice. believe me when i say that all of us in the 17th november unit headquarters really took it very seriously and very personally, and we dedicated our lives to cracking this group and bringing these guys to justice to the point we even admitted to each other that we were obsessed with 17 november. i was proud to go to greece and work against this group. it wasn't just 17 november. practically every terrorist group in the world was represented in athens as well. palestinians, syrians chameleons, iranian -- y remains obviously are not muslims but every bad guy had a presence and and so kept us busy. from my first day as either a fact. >> host: cingular getting on the ground floor before the balloon went up on the 9/11 you were getting real exposure to big time kind of terrorist activity. >> guest: i was. and in retrospect it really prepared me well for the post september 11 world. i had great teachers in athens, too. we have an absolutely fantastic group of people working in and out of ath

the cia. is this the biggest issue they have to deal with? >> president obama has to be seen to have a grip on national security, particularly in recent events. it is vital that he is not seen as weak or having failed to protect his country. there are these clashes with the cia. the director of the cia used to be the head of the intelligence community. there was a clash and the cia one. -- the cia won. you have all these clashes and, clearly, they felt it was time for a change. >> coming up in a moment, artificial life not -- artificial life, but not so artificial concerns. the world's first artificial sell brings a whole body of questions. -- artificial cell brings a whole body of questions. nine people have died and thousands have been forced from their homes in the worst flooding in poland in years. the prime minister says it could cost more than $2.5 billion. >> a state of alarm in warsaw at the moment. the levels of the river that runs through warsaw is twice its normal level. it is just

we get into a fight with the cia. they have vast resources, great press relations and enormous information, resources that everybody is interested in. and i think he would have a tough battle with leon panetta early on, which was a mistake. first of all, not only the cia but leon panetta is a-- is a gifted, experienced former omb director, former white house chief of staff, one term member of congress, house chairman, you know, leon panetta knows, not simply where the bodys are but where they are buried and who buried them. i think it was tough. and the white house was-- i can't understand why they did it. >> lehrer: they didn't give him anyway out. >> no way out and a half an hour before his meeting with the president, where hess resignation was to be demanded, they released the-- leaked the fact they had been interviewing a couple of weeks his successors. that just is not a way of inspiring loyalty. >> lehrer: yeah. >> i do agree with that. and this is not exactly the first time they've been unnecessarily tough on p

you're a cia officer. play beat cop for me. based on the information you heard from reporters from what they know from the investigation, from the police so far, what would you be looking at if you had your notes on your desk right now? >> i would say, what toll booth did he get into new york city from? from new jersey? contranecticut connecticut? where did he come from? it's interesting you have -- eyewitness wants the fire department and police debarmepat department. an fbi guy walked through the door, they stopped and began attacking him. so that's when you know new york is back to normal. >> i want to thank frannen townsend, jack rice and l

officer and former leader of the intelligence division of the cia so he understands this very well. >> thanks to both of you. appreciate it. >>> coming up, a massive containment dome is right now at sea headed for the spewing oil rig in the gulf of mexico. bp says this could be the best hope to finally try to get this disaster under control, but will it work? we'll talk about that after the break. a census taker mayau has come knocking on your door, to collect your answers. opening your door can open doors to other things in your community, like better education. open your door to your census taker. we can't move forward until you give your answers back. i switched to a complete multivitamin with more. only one a day men's 50+ advantage... has gingko for memp$y and concentration. plus support for heart health. ( crowd roars ) that's a great call. one a day men's. that's my choice. because with national, i roll past the counter... and choose any car in the aisle. oh, buck chooses the blue one! [ male announcer ] go national. go like a pro. choosing your own car? now, that's a good ca

jack rice is a former cia officer, criminal defense attorney and larry johnson deputy director for the office of counter terrorism. larry, let me start with you in the sense that 24, 27 hours in, the police say they don't think it's an al qaeda connection. how do you put the pieces together to be sure in. >> the confidence, whoever assembled this, to go through the effort of getting the vehicle, they had money there. erasing the vin number, they are show i showing premeditation. if they turned ton propane and filled the car with the gas and managed to ignite it, you would have had a fire ball inside the car, broken the windows out. it's not going to be devastating. what captures me is it was so incompetent. i'm glad they are incompetent. it's odd the taliban would want to take credit for it. it's a failure. you are taking credit for a failure. if that's what we are up against, thank god. we are having some success in killing off the leadership of the islamic jihadist groups overseas. >> does incompetent tell you anything about lone operator, angry guy, coordination, group involvement?

this man is from the cia. we had people earlier that will represent the climate change and more security. the airport security situation is, " when you think half the cargo on those planes is not inspected by the cameras are focusing on the bodies of the passengers. our borders are not protected whatsoever. no cameras. we have no idea who is coming into the country. the report last year focused on third-party advocates, anti- abortion people. what is happening with the security? it is turning on the people. we should have cameras in washington. that is where the real crime is. guest: i tried to emphasize -- it is easy when you lived in washington. there are 17,600 state and local authorities out there. these are the first responders. there are 800,000 police in the united states. i may be wrong with that number. we forget the importance of those people and what kind of support they need. it was two new york city policemen who were there and they were first on the scene. in any of these other places, you often

and jack rice, criminal defense attorney and investigative journalist, a former cia officer. okay. jack, we'll start with you. the most significant thing we have learned about shahzad so far is what? >> most significant thing that we really have on an international basis is there is this connection of pakistan. earlier, we had no idea whether this was a lone wolf or not. but if there is somebody rolling out of pakistan now, the investigates continues domestically, but we also have to look internationally now, because the resources are different, the connections are different and where he may have come from, who may trained him and who may have driven him into the states to do what he has done. all of those are issues that we have to really look at very closely now. >> larry: paul, is this -- what is the thing that most surprise use about all of this? >> well, the most important thing about all of this is his claim today that he was trained in bomb-making in waziristan. that's al qaeda's safe haven in pakistan. it brings al qaeda into play. it brings the pakistani taliban into play

neither dni had admiral blair nor was the cia there. i think this case clearly has an international link. this is something that needs to be explored. in regards to the interrogation of this guy, mirandizing is one issue. the question i would have, did the cia have a crack at this guy also? we know the guy traveled back and forth to pakistan. cia interrogators might have pieces of information that might have been able to link him to different people and different organizations that backtrack to other people. and so for me, the question on interrogation is less about mirandizing, but it's really about a joint effort to get every piece of information you can get from this guy to see if there's other associates out there. >> you know what, michael brings up the point, bob, about whether or not this suspect was mirandized. there's already a debate within the conservative community, senator john mccain saying he should not have been even though he's a naturalized citizen, someone else, another big voice in that part of the conversation, says

and that book is a combination of his work over many years on covert operations of the cia. >> host: are there any other books upcoming that you're looking forward to? >> guest: yes. the book preludin to catastrophe we will publish in the fall is about the jewish advisers around president roosevelt. they're actions and inactions in the face of the nazi menace in europe and have responsible they might have better what they might have done to help prevent the

every time there is a leader that wants to share resources, the cia and the unite states for oil all the plans for that. guest: it is a great question. pakistan does not have oil. what some of the military leaders have offered, and that have been an influencing factor has been the pception of stability. the army chief that took power in 1999, and only recourse power in the summer of 2008, he held power for so long largely because of u.s. support. toward the end of his regime was when the pakistani taliban emerged, and when t society began to turn against the united states. that was largely the result of the bush administration's support despite the fact that he was so deeply unpopular. i think it has lesto do with oil. the u.s. will always look for its >> tomorrow, discussion of u.s. immigration policy. we will look at the future of the republican party and its relationship with the tea party. the author and editor of a handbook of airline economics will give the airlines. "washington journal" is live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> the midterm elections are just six months away.

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as ipealy i%e%awle b >>> the former directer of the cia has a new mission. james wilsi transformed this home into a green energy showcase. look at this. the home is solar powered with geothermal pipes. it's just the right temperature to cool in the summer and warm in the winter. >>> good morning. it's 5:09. what a nice weather pattern we have in the first week of may. yesterday's high temperatures with the sunshine, breeze, and humidity with the absence of any hours erupting in the afternoon. 81 in baltimore mother and even over towards ocean city. this morning we slipped back into the 50s. on cinco de mayo we have 55s. and then the river station at 60. in the 40s into york, pennsylvania, across the border. an afternoon high of 83 degrees for the 2-degree guarantee. looking like we have ourself a decent pattern until we cool down on mother's day weekend. more coming up. kim brown. >> justin we have reports reports of debris at route 170 in deer run. reported as a struck animal. animal. and also a fire at bitterland. the drivers are on the green on the way yo

and so these monitoring stations were set up by the cia. it was a -- it was a level of cooperation, brian, that was extraordinary and brought the two countries very close together on one level that was not revealed publicly. c-span: when did it happen? >> guest: it happened under president carter, when deng xiaping came to washington to formalize the declaration of -- of recognition, a formal diplomatic recognition between the united states and china. it was first brought up and put on the table by zbig -- zbigniew brzezinski, president carter's national security adviser. and that began -- and -- and deng xiaping said he would take it home and consider it. deng xiaping being very much willing to take on these kind of cooperat -- cooperative efforts and arrangements with the united states than mao zedong had ever been. mao didn't trust getting in bed with america like this. deng was much more of a hard-liner and activist on the soviet union, and he was willing to go ahead. so a few months later, he came back and -- during vice president mond

less reliable supply of water. >> reporter: then the former cia chief showed us more. a micro wind power on his boat dock. soybeans in his field that will become biodiesel for the fuel tank up at the house. a briefcase with solar panels to recharge his cell phone. all showing us energy independence, that also cuts down on greenhouse emissions, can be extremely local. bill blakemore, abc news, central maryland. >> that guy's off the energy grid altogether. >> that's really impressive. >> that briefcase was kind of cool. never seen that. >> become one of our fans or just visit us on facebook. >> go to wnnfans.com.

this week former cia officer john kiriakou talks about his service in the agency both e4 and after 9/11. he played a key role in the capture of al qaeda associate abu debate that in pakistan and also a good u.s. officials of the planning of the iraq war. he is interviewed by frederick hitz, former inspector general of the cia and current fellow at the university of virginia center for national security law. >> host: sitting here with john kiriakou, talking about his new book, guerrilla spy. i told john before i got on the air that is like to ask them as my first question, how did you decide to write this book, john? >> it was a hard decision actually. i've

it was the real deal. >> you may have heard general hayden, the former cia director. he think this is perhaps a sign of a learning enemy more willing to launch kind of low sophistication, low scale attacks. is your reporting consistent with that? >> yeah. i mean, it was pretty crude compared to some attacks certainly the kakes on 9/11 and others we've seen around the world. even crude by pakistani taliban standards who have launched very sophisticated attacks inside pakistan. but the question now is whether the pakistani taliban got lucky by this guy coming in to one of their camps and he happened to be an american citizen with the ability to go back and launch an attack in the united states. or were they working with him from the beginning. the question is where did he get radicalized? did it happen when he was over there or were things going on in his life that caused him to sort of express or develop these views that that would lead him to this attack. >> nowhere do you see some kind of religious devotion or radicalizati radicalization. we see somebody who fell on

plenty of buzz from the cia about him because he has been in pakistan, afghanistan, they had tracked him all of the way home and followed him and put the rest together. it seems to me almost more dangerous when you have someone who seemed a spontaneous generator sitting there disgruntled about something maybe al qaeda, maybe a radical muslim who knows. he has the internet as his guide and he wires all of this stuff. or more of mahmoud ahmadinejad coming here tomorrow talking about nuclear safety and nonproliferation it's instead of a fertilizer bomb a nuke in one of these cars one of the other days. >> you sound like professor geraldo. you gave us a continuum people we had a case against. we had intelligence and we followed him. blue the whistle earlier in the case but we had to. on the other end of the continuum somebody picks up information some place on the internet puts the bomb has a gripe goes out there for any number of reasons. you heard a congressman say it's possible because the car was outside the truck was outside -- >> viacom. >> or could be a jihadist, could be a jihadi

for that failure of oversight is that when the whistleblower protection acts were passed, the fbi, cia, nsa and other intelligence agencies were exempted from the protections so that employees of these agencies do not have the right to report when they see malfeasance or abuse or misconduct that actually a post is-- poses a risk for national security and that is why we feel it is tremendously important to include those encies within the protections so that we can better enhance our security by allowing those employees to report this abuse. particularly to congress, because of course when it is laid out, the problems in the chstmas event, it laid claim that the fbi, cia, nsa and the national counterterrorism center that it didn't reflect its own blame that it has helped pass these enhanced protections for national security agencies and intelligence whistleblowers. they bill in the house, h.r. 1507, passed twice already over the years. it is really the gold standard where we would like to see a national security whistleblowers protected. it basically removes the exemption and gives them

the cia was in the struggle with dni and in the end with a wind. it created unbelievable publications. in the same way that homeland security was going to solve our problems and it has been a disaster. it is a theoretical reorganizing of huge structures in society, and it always ends a screwed up as a result. >> i don't think: security has been proven to be a disaster. -- don't think homeland security has been proven to be a disaster. i think they need a technocrat with this operation. >> it has not worked, let's be blunt about it, the dni office when you have had four in five years, it is not a good situation. when you interview somebody's replacement before he is told he is leaving, it is not the greatest personnel operation. >> barack obama is taking everybody away who does not have papers. >> well, that is something that we have to work on, right, to make sure that people can be here and get the right kind of papers, right? >> she does not have papers. >> my mom does not have papers. that is the human side of the immigration debate. she is scar

. >> belair's office oversees 16 federal agencies, including the fbi, cia, and homeland security. reportedly, several candidates are being interviewed for the job. reporting in the satellite center, mike conneen, abc 7 news. >>> oil giant bp admits that the oil spill in the gulf of mexico is far worse than initially thought. new underwater video shows the size and scope of the leak. bp says 5,000 barrels were leaking out every day. now some say it could be as much as 100,000 barrels, and today the epa is raising concerns about the chemical used to disperse the oil as well. >>> and obama is ordering federal agencies to work up national mileage and emission standards for big rig and work trucks. >> only underscores that even as we pursue domestic production to reduce our reliance on imported oil, our long-term security depends on the development of alternative sources of fuel and new transportation technologies. >> so today the president also ordered agencies to start working on even a stronger mileage standards for cars and trucks. he says within 20 years he wants to see cars runni

you had the former head of the cia on. i've read a lot about what mcgovern has said, as well as the 9/11 commission on what took place. we have heard over and over again, and i do not want to make any excuses for people using violence to deal with problems, but i've also gone on line and listened to the fellowwho blew up our cia agents in afghanistan. he did a videotape of why he was doing this. we have heard over and over again that the israeli palestinian conflict is one of the root causes for the anchoger that many of these people feel, as well as our military bases on their land. guest: there are many motivations on what drives a terrorist to act against us. they have been doing this a long time. this started in 1993 when it blew up the world trade center. they blew up our embassies in 1998. there's a long history of action here. and of course, our forces overseas, their political problems. they have a religious justification, which is really a twisting of islam for their own justification and use of violence. in this

and with due reference to the former cia director every time there is an event like this everyone says this is some new paradigm. not really. we've had guys like this back and forth from pakistan and the united states dating back to the plot against the brooklyn bridge in 2002. zazi, the guy from denver who had been back to pakistan looking to blow up the subway system. this guy with a car bomb. if he had done this right it could have been a pretty big attack. >> we know with our airline security and even though you can certainly find holes in things that need to be improved, there are many who said that something like that could not be pulled off again and the terrorists would look for ways like car bombs or attacking our subway system. when you look at this, this is the first time it's happened in times square to this degree. >> that's right. >> what does that tell us? >> well, they'd be moving toward car bombs and not that car bombs are anything new. the world trade center was blown up in et 3 with a truck bomb. of course american terrorists like timothy mcveigh, big truck bomb agai

the cia was in a struggle with dni at in the end they wind. created complications, in the same way that homeland security was going to solve all our problems. as a warning about the theoretical reorganizing the future structures in society and that would always ends up screwed up as a result. >> i don't think that homeland security is shipping up to be a disaster. i think in this case they need to find the person they need to have. >> it has not worked, let's be very blunt about it, the dni office. four in five years is a pretty good indication. when you were interviewing for somebody's replacement before he has been told he is leaving, it is probably not the grid is personnel operation. -- not the greatest personnel operation. >> barack obama is taking everybody away that does not have papers. >> well, that is something that we have to work on, right, to make sure that people can be here, right? >> my mom does not have papers. >> that is the human side of the immigration debate. she is scared to death that the government is going to take her

it was an extra layer of bureaucracy that did not have authority to add the cia was in a struggle with dni and in the end it won. the same way that homeland security is a new agency that was going to solve our problems, and it has been a disaster. it is a warning of the theoretical reorganizing of a huge structures of society and how it almost always ends up screwed up as a result. >> i don't think that homeland security has proven yet to be a disaster. in this case, they need to find a technocrat, not a big personality to run the operation. >> it has not worked, let's be very blunt about eight, the dni office. when you left at four in five years, that is a good indication. when you are interviewing somebody's replacement before he is told he is leaving, it is probably not the greatest personnel operation. >> barack obama is taking everybody away that does not have papers. >> well, that is something that we have to work on, right, to make sure that people can be here with the right kind of papers, right? >> my mom does not have papers. >> that is the human side of the immigration debat

bob bear was a cia field officer. tyler, your general big thoughts based on your experience what it all adds up to. eight months of training over there in pakistan. a faulty attempt to cause real mayhem in times square? >> i think in my opinion, i think this is what's happening now is what happened in europe about five, six, seven years ago. that you have people who are getting caught up in this general idea of the united states being at war with islam. and people are being recruited off the internet or they're fascinated or they have some problem here that leads them back to their homeland and then when they get there, they're indoctrinated, given some training. i suspect this guy wasn't given a tremendous amount of training because the bomb wasn't very effective. then they're released back in. without a great battle plan, but to carry something out, and with some sort of context. obviously they knew he was going to do it, they took credit for it right before or shortly after it was to happen. >> let me go to bob on

my goal in writing this book was to show the american people they have a lot to be proud of that the cia. you have a group of thousands of dedicated men and women from across the ideological spectrum who only want to serve the country. and i think that some of the agency's success stories need to be told. i think the american people want to know the agency is succeeding and i think they have a right to know and i am pleased i was able to get this cleared by the cia and the story is out there. >> host: i hope he will enjoy it. it is a terrific story, john. thanks for talking about it with me today.g me. .. >> how has the book tour been going? you have really covered quite a bit on the keys to success. give us an idea what you were thinking when you decided to spend the time putting this book together. >> it's going well. it's been a busy couple of weeks since the book was launched. i wrote the book because in 2008, when we were all watching people lose their jobs and the recession really at its peak and the financial system under severe pressure with iconic firms failing, like lehman brot

is edited by former cia inspector general frederick hit. find the entire weekend schedule at booktv.org. >> we are at the hilton hotel in washington, d.c., for the organization of american historians are meeting in the early april months here in washington. and let me introduce you to one of the authors who we are speaking here. robert mcelvaine. want to start, mr. mcelvaine with the 25th anniversary edition of a book called "down and out in the great depression." why is this book coming out on its quarter-century anniversary? >> well, actually for me it's never gone out of print. it's a book that is to have a great deal of interest are longtime. it's letters people wrote mostly to franklin at a lower roosevelt during the depression. when i first came across these in the roosevelt library in hyde park new york, and long time ago now, i think i must've been in a negative number of age at time. i was struck by how easy me a feeling for what life was like in the depression, such as nothing else had. this was sometime after studds turf intervie

. >> reporter: the obama administration admitted in april that awlaki is on the cia's list of targets for assassination despite his american citizenship. >> because he's so visible. it would be very important to get him because it would send a message to radical islamists and jihadists around the world. >> reporter: this is awlaki driving on the streets of america and preaching in an american mosque. before he went into hiding in yemen after the ft. hood shooting. in spite of the religious freedom he enjoyed here, awlaki is now at war with america. he made it clear in this latest video that it's a religious war calling president obama the leader of the war on islam and leader of the crusader campaign. in a commencement speech at west point just hours before the video was released, the president embraced american muslims. >> extremists want a war, but muslims are part of our national life including those who serve in our united states army. >> reporter: asked in the video about muslim groups who disapproved of the christmas day airline plot because it targeted civilians, awlaki had a c

six cia operatives were lost in that explosion. in fact, there weren't eight operatives laws. there were six black water contractors who were lost along with two cia operatives, and that didn't happen to get reported. they have done a good job. blackwatehas done a terrific job, yet we see that organization targeted to try to find any little thing that they have done to try to bring them down. that is outrageous and i think the american people need to know the sacrifices that almost all the blackwater people are former special forces and i might add marines, who have retired and areow using their expertise to try to accompsh our goals. so i think the vilification of the contractors is misplaced and something that we should really think about. these people, most of them deserve our place-- praise. why do we use contractors? just to note, if a contractor can co food for our troops get is actually more cost-effective to have a cook who was not in uniform and is not a military person to be there cooking for our troops and providing food

reports saying a vehicle packed with explosives blew up with a cia -- at a cia base, near pakistan and the bomber died in the attack and after what is believed to show a videotape, the top taliban leader, hakimullah mehsud, is very much alive on the tape promising more attacks on the u.s. and the pentagon says even if he is still alive he's not running the taliban wing any more in that country. uma: the fda is investigating the big recall over-the-counter kids medications, and mcneil consumer health care is pulling more than 40 children's versions of popular brands, tylenol and benedryl, motrin and zyrtec over quality concerns. the company says some products could have a higher concentration of active ingredients than what is written on the bottom, and macneal says it is a precautionary measure and no injuries or deaths are reported, so far. our own dr. manny alvarez says parents should buy the generic versions of the medications, for now. bill: arizona's tough new immigration law in the national spotlight, tens of thousands in the streets of dozens of cities over the weekend, especial

the cia and fbi worry americans trained in sew ma somalia could to attack the u.s. >> capability to strike the united states and intent, they have talked about coming after us. >> reporter: as somalia becomes a spring board of al qaeda that the u.s. has once again been forced to confront. richard engel, nbc news, mogadishu. >>> when "nightly news" continues in just a moment, fergie, the duchess of york caught on camera with a pile of cash selling access. the whole mess on videotape. >>> later nashville got knocked down. it is taking a lot of people to get it back up. tonight they are "making a difference." you don't have to with these priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service, if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. no weigh? nope. no way. yeah. no weigh? sure. no way! uh-uh. no way. yes way, no weigh. priority mail flat rate box shipping starts at $4.95, only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship. for constipation relief... nothing works better than miralax. it's the one. the one recommended by more doctors. only miralax is clinically proven

. >> if the defense department or nasa or cia have technologies that can help, they should use them right now. >> reporter: iian mcdonald of florida state university, who first questioned b.p.'s low estimate of spill volumes, is one of four scientists signing g this "new york times" op-ed piece today. they estimate the oil discharge is at least 40,000 barrel a day and could be as much as 10 100,0 barrels. mcdonald said the government should take a more aggressive role. >> it seems b.p. is calling the shots, even to the extent of collecting necessary data, and that shouldn't be totally that way. >> reporter: the president's spokesman says under a 1990 law, b.p. is responsible. >> they're responsible for the cleanup and they have to pay for it. >> reporter: gibbs was pressed repeat told explain why the federal government hasn't taken over. >> i'm asking why you don't take control of the whole operation. >> it is their responsibility. >> reporter: does the government just stand there as a spectator? >> we are overseeing the response, okay. >> reporter: officials say that there's no way they

during that time he has been plagued with security lapses and spats with the cia. a recent congressional report also found that his office did not connect the so-called intelligence dots that could have prevent ad bombing attempt on a detroit-bound plane on christmas day. >>> the conspiracy trial surrounding robert wone's murder continues this morning. thursday a judge heard from the first par immediate zwroik arrive at the scene. jeff baker said his radar went up when he got the dupont circle row house where wone was stabbed in 2006. he said the three men steamed disconnected. he said wone's stab wound had red marks that looked like it had been wiped with a towel. no one has been charged with the killing. the three men who lived in that home are all accused of misleading police in this case. >>> police are hoping some new sketches will help them solve a murder case at a central mansion. 39-year-old jose rosales was working as a handyman on monday when two intruders broke in. during the scuffle he was shot and killed. police now have sketches of the two suspects. p

to roebuck i'm sorry, wrote to a newspaper article about the ties then what los angeles and the in cia operation in nicaragua and as a result, he was betrayed by all of the journalist around him that his editors refuse to support him. he eventually committed suicide. it was a sad sad story that nikolas had written about but his new-line, station new-line, he started four or five years ago he wrote an article for the at all-out -- orange county we feel about the members of the brotherhood of brotherly love of i'm sorry, eternal love. then he was very interested four years tracking down the remaining members who were alive and interviewing them to get an oral history of what was going on during the '60s and it is a fascinating story two major activities he found were surfboard smuggling hollowed out surfboards of smuggled marijuana back and forth between hawaii and the mainland and also the manufacturer of goods. in this particular case orange sunshine, which is a particular form of lsd, they want to give you get a sense of how large an operation it was coming in one raid, i think it was

the point of one to make is that it is next to impossible for the police departments, the cia, the fbi, or anyone else to track these type of radicals, be they from pakistan or cincinnati -- does not matter where they are from. it is next to impossible to track them because of the loss of our own country. we're not allowed to profile people. that is the way it is. as far as him getting on to the plane and everything, the police to parliament deliberately allowed him to get onto the plane. it was not a failure. -- the police department allowed him. they let him sit there and let the plane taxied to see if anyone would make contact, to see if there was anyone else involved. then they brought it back when it was obvious that all the people were on the plane and there was no contact made. so, if people knew enough about the story that they had read enough, or listened to you -- which c-span carries a lot of very good information -- and if they would listen to you on a daily basis, instead of once per week, catching snippets, and just hanging on to what they want to, then they would underst

plenty of buzz from the cia about him because he has been in pakistan, afghanistan, they had tracked him all of the way home and followed him and put the rest together. it seems to me almost more dangerous when you have someone who seemed a spontaneous generator sitting there disgruntled about something maybe al qaeda, maybe a radical muslim who knows. he has the internet as his guide and he wires all of this stuff. or more of mahmoud ahmadinejad coming here tomorrow talking about nuclear safety and nonproliferation it's instead of a fertilizer bomb a nuke in one of these cars one of the other days. >> you sound like professor geraldo. you gave us a continuum people we had a case against. we had intelligence and we followed him. blue the whistle earlier in the case but we had to. on the other end of the continuum somebody picks up information some place on the internet puts the bomb has a gripe goes out there for any number of reasons. you heard a congressman say it's possible because the car was outside the truck was outside -- >> viacom. >> or could be a jihadist, could be a jihadi

also coming up at 6:40, we'll speak to former cia officer jack rice and david kelley about the charges shahzad is saying and how much is to be believed by law enforcement. >>> the massive oil slick slowly but surely is making its way towards the shore. rob marciano is looking at where it is heading and so far, rob, folks have gotten lucky. will the look hold out? >> reporter: very lucky indeed. that's the big question. it's a race against the clock. right now conditions are very favorable as far as the weather is concerned. we had the strong south winds over the weekend pushing that oil directly to the shoreline. now the winds have turned lighter and will be that way for the next several days. some of the dispersants they are putting on the oil is helping show the spread. 2,000 square miles of this thing, going 150 miles into the gulf of mexico. at the fringes it's spotty and difficult to see where it was. we went up in the air and saw it did get in the chandelier islands. there is where it is right now. the forecast over next several days, maybe a slow progression to the west. no prog

every time there is a leader that wants to share resources, the cia and the united states for oil all the plans for that. guest: it is a great question. pakistan does not have oil. what some of the military leaders ve offered, and that have been an influencing factor has been the perception of stability. the army chief that took power in 1999, and only recourse power in the summer of 2008, he held power for so long largely because of u.s. support. toward the end of his rege was when the pakistani taliban emerged, and when the society began to turn against the united states. that was largely the result of the bush administration's support despite the fact that he was so deeply unpopular. i think it has less do with oil. the u.s. will always look for its own self interesand its own self-interest is stability. many times, that does override democratic principle. host: ohio. republican line, robert. caller: thank you for c-span. my question is, the intelligence service for pakistan -- how involved are they with taliban. i remember reading several years ago that they are very much involved

and the reluctant spy, former cia officer talks about life in the agency before and after 9/11 interviewed by inspector general frederick hits. find the entire weekend schedule at booktv.org. >> the story of america's little red school house is. the arthur is jonathan zimmerman who joins us at the american historians meeting. how did you get interested in this? >> as a historian realized in the nineteenth century virtually anybody who went to public-school went to a 1-room school house. it was the ubiquitous educational institution and quickly declined for a number of reasons. yet the icon remained, the idea of the little red schoolhouse continued in our minds even though virtually no one attends one. i became interested in the contrast between the history and the memory. >> how many still exist? >> in the early 20th-century, there were 212,000 one room schools being used and we think of those buildings, very rough estimates, most of them were converted to other saints with businesses. probably 20,000 or so 1-room schoolhouses still standing. >> i am amazed to learn i was getting ready to