the best at that i think was jack nicklaus. i believe that jack was the best at taking the element of risk out of individual shots. he was -- he had great talent. but he had that ability to take that risk out. >> charlie: is that playing smart, is that what it is? >> let me continue on here. i had an interesting lunch one time, i met ben hogan one time. i had a great lunch with him, i had -- asked him a couple of questions, two of which really stand out in my mind. the first was, i said, mr. hogan, do you think that a tall golfer will ever come around down the pike really be a great golfer? he said, absolutely. because at that time there was -- nobody tall could ever play -- >> hogan was about 5'7". >> right. the other thing, how nervous did you get when you were playing in competition? he looked at me with the steely blue eyes, he was a wonderful -- he looked and got serious said, tom, i was so nervous i was jumping out of my skin. i'm thinking, here is a guy called the wee iceman that underneath there he's got a lot of pressu

we're excited to see him back on the golf course and pursue the 18-win record that jack nicklaus holds and it will be an exciting year for tiger woods still to come. >> also challenge on the ben roethlisberger front. what is the status with nike and ben roethlisberger? >> he continues to be a nike athlete and part of the nike family and, again, we'll look forward to ben getting back on the field. >> another question out there? >> yeah, actually, darren, i have a question. at what point though, sir, given the issues surrounding tiger woods and given the issues surrounding ben roethlisberger, do you decide perhaps not to pursue relationships with those two athletes? >> well, i think we're always looking at these types of situations and understanding exactly what they mean and how they impact both our brand and our consumers. so, as long as we continue to evaluate this and deal with it as it comes, we will always give the athlete a benefit of the doubt in the early stages and then let the due process take its course. but we're very excited for both these guys to get back to their careers