al qaeda's reach extends far beyond iraq, afghanistan, and pakistan. tonight, the white house is increasingly concerned about their growing strength in yemen. a faction there has already tried to attack the u.s. and as david martin reports the white house is stepping up the counterattack. >> reporter: in the past two years, an escalating campaign of c.i.a. drone strikes against al qaeda and other terrorist groups in the tribal areas of pakistan has killed more than 600 militants. now the obama administration is planning a similar offensive against al qaeda in yemen. they're not feeling the same heat-- not yet, anyway, one official said. the result, according to former counter-terrorism official matt levitt is that al qaeda in yemen, or a.q.a.p., as it is called, is a direct threat to the u.s. >> what makes a.q.a.p. a danger to the united states is the fact that it not only has the capability but the interest in carrying out attacks beyond its immediate region. >> reporter: a.q.a.p. recruited that young nigerian who nearly blew up a passenger jet over d

had a confirmed visual bead on the head of al qaeda. back then, hank crumpton could never get authority to kill him. so, why is it that so many politicians and leaders today try and play down the importance of killing osama bin laden? >> crumpton: perhaps because we haven't succeeded yet. >> logan: amrullah saleh was also hunting bin laden and taliban leader mullah omar, and they were hunting him. just days before our interview, saleh's deputy was assassinated by a suicide bomber. so, how did they get so close? >> saleh: they waited for him for a long time. >> logan: they could be waiting for you. >> saleh: sure, and if they kill me, i have told my family and my friends not to complain about anything because i have killed many of them, with pride. so, i am a very, very legitimate target, very legitimate. because when i stand against them, the desire to stand against them is part of my blood. i believe they are wrong. bin laden cannot engender a vision for this world or for this country. mullah omar is the same. i am not saying this to f

al qaeda requires some places to work out of. but it could also be out of new jersey or out of michigan. al qaeda is not an organization in the sense of a tight knit i.b.m. of terror. it's much more cellular, it's diffuse. it needs access to money and to the internet; to train and quip people. it's very diffuse. there's nothing special about any single country. it doesn't need a single face. >> smith: is the deck stacked against the united states in afghanistan? we don't have a good partner in karzai. pakistan intelligence service has been helping al qaeda, helps the taliban. is there just too many variables there that don't help paint a better picture for a future in afghanistan, especially with an american partnership? >> the deck is stacked if we try to accomplish great things. we can't succeed. but sometimes in foreign policy, you've got to think not about what it is you want to create; you have to be more modest and think about what it is you want to prevent. what it is we ought to be trying to prevent is that afghanistan ag

qaeda came back to iraq because the iraqis will devastate the iraqis do not like al-qaeda the iraqis had as much to do with catching and killing their kawi al qaida interaction ruthless leader in the beginning as did the united states they all drive. but these are rocky is that we're talking about. are these sons of iraq the ones that the u.s. worked with whom i have to working with them because they also wanted to write fight the militants fight al qaeda that's what became the success story for america but it was david petraeus call it a success story but here you're back in my first response again is this the sunni element now describable the political process and describable the way the united states has abandoned it in that political process and is now saying threatening that it's going to live so for the al qaida again if it were to do so would be a temporary lines ok well you know i mean there you're i think the political instability definitely has a large part to do with the but what i'm curious about who is the entire. idea of paying these people off i mean these guys get thr

my service was already engaged in ccern about the threat posed by al-qaeda from the late -- mid- to late 1990s, after all the fatwa by fawwaz from osama bin laden was issued in london in 1996. we had various operations at that time, some of which had connections to afghanistan, and well before 9/11 we were anxious and worried and doing investigations. i think one of the things that is often forgotten, and i was asking my colleagues to produce it yesterday and they couldn't remember it, was that actually a month after 9/11 the government put a paper into the public domain -- i'm sure the inquiry is aware of that -- which was full of intelligence. if you like, that was the first dossier, which was who was responsible for 9/11, to which my service and i contributed. so ourocus was actually not on iraq, on which we had very few people working, not on iraqi activity in the uk, but our focus was on various forms of terrorism relating partly to al qaeda and partly to extremism from that sort of area. that was our focus. >> thank you very much. >> i turn to sir lawrence freedman then. lawrence?

we tend to grandize al qaeda, we sort of give a platform of any sort to al qaeda senior leaders, that plays to al qaeda's advantage. >> reporter: the tapes could be key evidence if binalshibh and his co-conspirators ever stand trial. but the justice department is still struggling with finding an acceptable trial venue. bob orr, cbs news, washington. >>> that's the "cbs morning news" for this wednesday. thank you for watching. we hope you'll join us a little later for "the early show." i'm emily smith. later for "the early show." i'm emily smith. have a great day. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> your realtime captioner is linda marie macdonald. caption colorado, l.l.c. comments@captioncolorado.com >>> did you get your shot? >> i got a whole bunch before i went to india. got to check up to see if they are still working. >> there

al qaeda and others will. after all, they have families to feed. >> warner: of even greater worry to the shrinking u.s. forces here is the disputed boundry between iraqi arabs and kurds up north. it's caused ethnic tensions to flare and given al qaed qaeda-linked groups a chunk of territory to exploit. earlier this year the two sides agreed to combine check points and patrols. among kurdish militias, arab army and police and u.s. soldiers. with a few hiccups it seems to be working to reduce friction. >> before on this very road would you have an iraqi army check point. and a another check point in the middle there was nobody watching. >> warner: lieutenant colonel kaufman oversees a string of these check points east of mozul. one team took him to a nearby bridge where they just carried out a joint mission to recover and destroy a hidden ied. >> as far as the tension between the kurds and arabs, i don't have a lot of concerns because there's conversation. because when people are talking whether it's the highest

their victory in mogadishu would transform somalia into a base for al qaeda. it would destabilize an entire region already made vulnerable by the conflict in this a done -- sudan, which would be catastrophic. france contributed to regional stability through its military presence in djibouti in response to requests from the african union and its european partners. after training 500 soldiers in djibouti, 200 somali troops are being trained in uganda, where we have retrained 5600 men. everyone must understand that somalia, yemen, pakistan, afghanistan, our major challenges for the security of each french citizen. it is not a remote concern which has nothing to do with us. there will not be any easy solution. the european union must continue its effort and we will continue to be present in this part of the world. lastly, the barbarity of one branch of al qaeda was demonstrated again when it refused all offers of negotiation and murdered a man. these terrorists are trying to expand their influence in the vast desert regions. this territory is as large as your. how

we tend to aggrandize al qaeda, that we sort of give a platform of any sort to al qaeda senior leaders, that plays to al qaeda's advantage. >> reporter: now, the tapes could be key evidence if binalshibh and his accused 9/11 co-conspirators ever stand trial. on that point, we have to say the justice department is still struggling trying to find an acceptable venue. erica? >> hill: bob, thanks. bob orr in washington tonight. al qaeda is being blamed for one of baghdad's deadliest attacks in months. a suicide bomber struck today at an iraqi army recruiting center that was packed with young men. 61 were killed, 125 others injured. some of them were so desperate for work, though, they got back in line after the attack. turning our attention now to pakistan where there has been no letup in the monsoon rains. take a look at this. this is how the country looked from space a year ago. this next photo was taken on sunday. it shows you a fifth of the country is underwater. government aid has reached just 500,000 of the 20 million people affected. three and a half million children are at risk of

and all ties to al qaeda. the afghan government must take serious action to prepare itself to take over the security of the provinces in districts considered stable enough to be transferred to afghan control. our action is support in peace. it is not subject to timetable for the whims of the media. we know what the results of the whims of the media in the 20th century are. those of you in the industry will be aware of this. we have a realistic political objective and thesis political line is a gradual transition with the allies -- from the allies to the afghans. france will continue to be committed to afghanistan as long as necessary and as long as the afghan people so wish. no victory will be possible without the support of pakistan. this country is courageously dealing with the impact of the unprecedented floods and facing economic and social challenges and defeat terrorism at home. this is what i told president zardari. france will stand along with pakistan. i told the president of pakistan and that the les

al qaeda. the threat to the united states. al qaeda that exists in those mountains between afghanistan and pakistan. we are not there to nation build. chris: but this week, biden's fellow democrats showed their increased resistance. a vote on war funding showed a growing split. and two influential senators, both democrats, jim webb and russ feingold, said it's time for the senate to advise on any future war policy in afghanistan. dan, this is getting political. and it's dividing the country. we're looking at the division cut between those for and against this war. where's the president going on this? >> he'll make a decision after he reassesses around the first of the year. and then when -- the self-imposed deadline approaches next spring. but the key here is general petraeus. whatever general petraeus recommends, insofar as the president can politically do it, he's going to do it. the president is fachede -- faced with the situation, afghanistan is going badly. the u.s. military, counterinsurgency, new strategy, has not yet p

the taliban had a chance to disown al qaeda after 9/11. if they had done that, they could have survived. they refused to disown al qaeda and in the years since then... >> rose: they refused to cast them out. >> they refused to cast them out even though it would have been in their interest to do so. in the years since, the taliban have drawn even closer to al qaeda. the two are really inseparable. so if we want to defeat al qaeda, we have to fight the taliban because if the taliban come back into power, they will invite their friends in al qaeda to once again use afghanistan as the base from which to attack us. so that's why we have to... we were talking about the difference between counterinsurgency and counterterrorism. and in some ways we have fairly narrow countertryst goals in afghanistan to counteral qaeda. but the only way we're going to achieve those goals is implementing a broader counterinsurgency strategy this counters the taliban. >> rose: do you sense there's a growing questioning of this war in the body politic of america? >>

and iraqis that were earlier on our site shift to al-qaeda. al-qaeda is buying its iraqi recruits. military officials stated in august that u.s. troops will be needed for a decade to stabilize the nation. though they stay until 2020. despite these negatives, u.s. commander general in iraq, ray odierno remains optimistic about the impact of the 90,000 troop withdrawal. >> i think if we get k overall stability will improve in the region. >> question, is president obama's withdrawal of the 2/3 in iraq premature? i ask you david. >> premature? we've been there seven years. we are still going to leave 50,000 troops in a war torn country that is getting more violent. i don't think this is premature. i think this president's whole argument for getting elected is against this war in the beginning. i'm against it now and i will bring the troops home in 2009. well it's 2009 and it turns out we are leaving 50,000 troops behind and increasingly dangerous country. so no, i don't think thisof tro >> i think david is exactly right. i'll tell you one thing, though. we are out of this war. no we're

is doing and what al qaeda is doing. al qaeda sometimes kills -- the u.s. sometimes kills people without meaning to. it is called collateral damage for a reason. the u.s. is not specifically trying to kill innocent civilians or muslims. whereas, when al qaeda plots a terrorist operation, the specific purpose is to kill innocents, civilians. more often than not, it is to kill fellow muslims. i do not think there is a moral equivalence between the u.s. position and the al qaeda position. i am sure there are some people in pakistan and iraq who feel that way. host: bobby ghosh, thank you for being with us. you can find his story on the cover of time magazine on newsstands right now. that is all for "washington journal" this morning. thank you for joining us. coming up next is "newsmakers" with representative ed markey. . . ♪ >> this morning on "newsmakers" -- ed markey on the safety of seafood from the gulf of mexico. then, a look of the future of iraq with christopher hill. >> one of the things i regretted about political and rhetorical life in the washingt

we worked with them very well on al qaeda. we are making in-roads in regard to the other groups but it's slow and tough going. they have a resource problem. a lot of their forces are still deployed against the larger country to the east. and they feel they don't have enough resources. and now with the floods, everything is in suspension. >> rose: who is protecting al qaeda in waz irstand. >> you know, i don't know and it's a very good question. i've asked it too. >> rose: what answer do you get when ask you it? >> the intelligence clarity on that is not, there's an o passit ot this issue. >> rose: it's opaque. >> yeah, it is opaque to a certain extent. and furthermore, i don't think i can go into classified material. >> rose: i don't want to you go into-- this seems like so fundamental, hakani group network is very much involved with the moo handle dean as you well know. they seem to have some special relationship within pakistan. they have not seem to be an object of intent by the pakistani government so far. >> let me try to

we do have some small elements of al qaeda. you have the islamic movement. you have some pakistani taliban and other elements that come into the country. now, this of course is the federally administered tribal area. this is swat valley. this is the area where pakistan has fought hard and taken significant casualties over the last 18 months. there are areas that they have not yet dealt with. north waziristan is one of those. they had operations in south waziristan and then there are some of the other agencies that they know. let me point out one other point if i could. what's interesting is the taliban leads from the rear. the taliban leads from pakistan and rank and file is just catching onto this. we actually see discussions among them and chatter among them and conversation wondering where their senior leaders are and wondering why he hasn't stepped food back in afghanistan or heard from in months and months. the senior leaders don't come in and share hardship and risk with troopers on the ground. they send messages. they do it by cell phone or what have

>> more likely also from al- qaeda abroad. i mean, al-qaeda had not focused on the uk. it attacked us abroad in 2003 but it became clear that its ambition was to attack us in the united kingdom. so we had the heathrow plot, we had the canary wharf plot and so on. we had the shoe bomber, richard reid, we had the second shoe bomber, saajid badat, and we had a string of plots leading to convictions. it is not something i would have normally said in open session but when jacqui smith said it publicly, i think in 2008, that between 2001 and when she spoke there had been, i think she said, 16 substantial plots of which roughly 12 were stopped. 7/7 occurred, tragically. 21/7 would have occurred if they had been competent. it was not detected in advance. richard reid was not detected in advance. there were -- obviously there is a judgment here about what constitutes a substantial plot -- roughly a dozen which were stopped and of those, many did involve other countries and people in other countries, but in most of them british citizens predominated. >> as part of the war, your v

the problem with al qaeda, we knew al qaeda after 2001. they were a core group of fanatics and were trying to overthrow local governments and decided they would attack the united states. we drove most of them out of iraq, afghanistan. there was a movement with al qaeda in iraq. it was probably true without. we had the same problem in the cold war. local groups were identified as communists. so become this? maybe they were pro chinese. some may be emulating and we're not sure what their capabilities are in hitting the united states. there may be a small number of al qaeda in afghanistan now, but there are probably a lot across the border in pakistan. the fear was that would go back into afghanistan if the security situation decrees. host: "mission accomplished," obama boasted. obama it was benefiting from a strategy formed under george bush. this is what mcconnell had to say on the floor of the senate yesterday. >> a strategy, the surge, and the awakening. we had to prevail on many votes for withdrawal and fights over whether or not we woul

the coalition forces of failed to realize what's making al qaeda grow al-qaeda is growing because of of continued presence the us and nato forces in the middle east i mean we have we have templi surrounded the middle east and bases in united arab emirates and saudi arabia and in iraq and afghanistan in kuwait and as a result of our bases being there the greater islamic world sees that and they see their their environment being taken over by what they see as occupiers no i don't personally i don't necessarily think that the united states wants to conquer and control all of the middle east but i think that we definitely want to demonstrate power there so we put in military bases there the big problem is that this hasn't appropriately assess the threat the threat is five to seven thousand militants and every day that we stay inside the middle east those militants have fuel to grow. let's take a look now at some other stories making headlines across the globe authorities in pakistan have warned many areas could soon be submerged causing thousands to flee cities and villages as flood wate

well get me started on that and i'll say joe biden was right that our mission should be stopping al qaeda not having a broad sweeping military that's really not our mission in afghanistan and i think the american people are more and more going to create a situation where what joe biden said initially becomes the real mission in afghanistan stopping the terrorists that tried to kill us in nine eleven in both new york towers and in the pentagon and in pennsylvania but nonetheless we do seem to see that our mission is helping afghanistan create a stable government so that it will not be a home and a haven for terrorists that seems to be the mission and it seems to be a mission that's going to take anywhere from ten to twenty years if we do it the way that we're doing it it's a real mistake the way that we are doing it and especially if we don't stop the drugs which fund to which are the terrorists which are the people that tried to kill us and are still out to create havoc all over the world so part of our mission and you are so right in the four presidents of afghanistan pakistan russia and

seventy percent as much as seventy percent of al qaeda is in the taliban's funding according to senior democratic senator charles schumer and if that's the case what are we doing making happy farmers in afghanistan or is our job to secure afghanistan stop the drug trafficking create alternative economies and then stop the killing that goes around the world both by the terrorists and by the drugs themselves that have killed millions throughout asia and europe america's only option in afghanistan is to withdraw all its troops as self a soviet afghan war veteran the full injury is coming up in just over twenty minutes time but here's a preview. you should so motivational but. you cannot depict the country as a den of terrorism or its people as terrorists by default this is not true there is a faction of people within the rebel movement that use terror methods some of these people do indeed have links to al qaeda in no way does this mean that any afghan or any armed afghan is a terrorist the us is facing a philosophical problem they spent nine years there by december two thousand and ten t

who have links to al qaeda may have mastermind of the bomb. russia's been go all out to win the football world cup bid for twenty eighteen or twenty twenty two now inspectors from the games governing body fee for have wrapped up their tour across the country assessing whether it should be chosen to host the tournament but are two stacy business one of the airports where they just took off hi there stacey and we've been following closely this expection now it's over what are we hearing is russia still and with a good chance. well hello to you a nice if they came they say now russia waits to see if its bid was strong enough to woo the inspectors now for four days the committee toured russia and four of the thirteen cities slated to host the world cup games in those cities include state petersburg moscow clothes on and sochi which is poised to be the host of the winter twenty fourteen olympic games and they did all this to make sure that russia is in fact ready to host a world cup game either in twenty eighteen or twenty twenty four now on thursd

the problem with al qaeda, we knew al qaeda after 2001. they were a core group of fanatics and were trying to overthrow local governments and decided they would attack the united states. we drove most of them out of iraq, afghanistan. there was a movement with al qaeda in iraq. it was probably true without. we had the same problem in the cold war. local groups were identified as communists. so become this? maybe they were pro chinese. some may be emulating and we're not sure what their capabilities are in hitting the united states. there may be a small number of al qaeda in afghanistan now, but there are probably a lot across the border in pakistan. the fear was that would go back into afghanistan if the security situation decrees. host: "mission accomplished," obama boasted. obama it was benefiting from a strategy formed under george bush. this is what mcconnell had to say on the floor of the senate yesterday. >> a strategy, the surge, and the awakening. we had to prevail on many votes for withdrawal and fights over whether or not we woul

they're being attacked by al qaeda too. they're just as offended or maybe more so because of what the splash back is on all muslims. we ought to be hearing from them. >> back in 2001 after the 9/11 attacks you went to the floor and you were outspoken saying that there are muslims around the world, arabs, who are as horrified as u.s. citizens and we ought to treat them with equal respect and decent treatment. in that vain, do you think it's a wise decision to have the mosque here as a sign of living our values? >> i believe the folks that want to build a mosque here are making an unwise decision. when i look at the 18% of the american people that are enthusiastic about this grassroots movement, we see this as while it's an important issue, it's an issue that ought not to be distracting the president from the critical issues of unemployment, fiscal responsibility, a nation headed for bankruptcy, and the larger issues that affect the future of our children make this issue pale. on the question should the president stick up for

this incident demonstrated at least one affiliate, al qaeda in the caribbean the initial plug -- al qaeda in the air raid in the and peninsula, has the desire to strike abroad. there is some community to the ideology. while the overall radicalization problem remains less than many western nations, several high- profile cases demonstrate we must remain vigilant. as you know, five americans from virginia where arrested, tried, and found guilty in pakistan of offenses and live seen americans traveling to somalia to join al-shabab, and just today we had the indictments of 14 more individuals in terrorism- related cases as well as another in chicago yesterday. we have also seen u.s. citizens rise to prominence as opponents to violent extremism. one person in california has been able to target its propaganda to western audiences. another man who grew up in alabama has become important voice on the internet. the most notable american is a -- the most notable is 80 yemeni american has captured those two others have failed to reach. the most important person who he touched was involved in the atte

backed militia leaders have said that al qaeda is trying to bribe them to return to the terrorist group it is fear that the departure of american troops at the end of august is being exploited to attract new al-qaeda members some officials in iraq say the organization is making a big comeback partly due to the power vacuum and political instability of the water own country others play down the problem saying iraq's military has everything under control we're now joined by a journalist the journalist who broke the story martin chewed off the guardian's iraq correspondent live from baghdad. well hello to you so the so-called sons of iraq grew out of a series of mini rebellions against militants associated with al qaeda started in two thousand and six they soon grew into a success story in iraq capitalized upon by the then commanding u.s. general david petraeus he agreed to pay each member a three hundred dollars monthly salary now we're hearing reports that they weren't always getting paid that al qaeda is allegedly offering more money to these people how serious is this problem is that e

backed militia leaders have said that al qaeda is trying to bribe members of their group to return to the terrorist organization some officials in iraq say al qaeda is making a big comeback partly due to the power vacuum and political instability over the water one country u.s. paid mercenaries are called the sons of iraq and fought on the side of the coalition forces but now it seems al qaeda is offering to pay them or once the americans leave the journalist who broke the story says it could be a big problem if militia members defect. the sons of iraq were a group who were credited with helping stop the violent insurgency throughout two thousand and six two thousand and seven that been hired ever since by the americans people who are a cornerstone of the future security for this country however as the americans prepare to leave their heritage over responsibility in managing the sons of iraq program to the iraqi government iraqi government's commitment to the potomac predominantly sunni sons of iraq groups has not been strong in over recent months in a very sharp spate of attacks agai

al qaeda. the threat to the united states. al qaeda that exists in the mountains between afghanistan and pakistan. we're not there to nation-build. >> is that it? is that the war? >> i agree with that. we're not there to -- to take on a nationwide reconstruction or construction project in afghanistan. what we have to do is focus our efforts on those civilian aspects and governments that help us accomplish our security objective. we're in afghanistan because we were attacked from afghanistan. not because we want to build a bitter society in afghanistan. but doing things there to the degree that it contributes to our security mission and the security arena, that's what we're going to do. >> final question. do you think the way out is to strike a deal with the taliban? >> i think that the -- i think that the way out is to improve the security situation in afghanistan to the point and to degrade the taliban to a degree where they're willing to consider reconciliation on the terms of the afghan government. detaching themselves from

people within the rebel movement that use terror methods some of these people do indeed have links to al-qaeda in no way does this mean that any afghan or any armed afghan is a terrorist the us is facing a philosophical problem they spent nine years there by december two thousand and ten the length of their military presence will match that of the soviet contingent now over this period they have failed to understand the afghans outlook on life they do not understand afghanistan barack obama is now facing the gorbachev dilemma of whether to withdraw u.s. forces if you pulls them out it will be bad if he doesn't it will go from bad to worse i am deeply convinced that barack obama should do the same thing that make did with afghanistan there is no other way he could. think we have received information about the taliban making a proposition to nato to jointly investigate civilian deaths in afghanistan just how realistic in serious is that offer. no i don't think it's serious and i'd like to say that the taliban movement is quite formless structurally it is basically a successor to the mujahideen m

the fact is we were attacked by al qaeda, al qaeda, and not by islam, islam, and the fact is, there are hundreds of millions of law-abiding, respectful muslims, and american muslims are respectful and they built this country, and they're an important part of this country, and if we can't respect them, then we don't deserve the respect that we can't give them. we don't -- in other words what we give to others is what we get for ourselves. and there's -- it's a terrible state that we're in. we can have this kind of discussion. that we're even talking about this. again, it was not politicized for years. they've been working on this for a long time. and the fact that they're making -- that there is such opposition, and there's so many people who have lost people in the world trade, who are supportive of this, and they're not being promoted. there's a lot of dialogue about some people are sensitive. but, again, like i said, if you're blaming muslims, then you need to change your mind. if you're blaming muslims for the attack on 9/11, then you need to change your mind. do we blame christians

why don't we see if the taliban might not invite back al qaeda like they did last time. maybe they learned some of their lessons, maybe they would respect certain red lines, i don't know. but certainly something we ought to explore and we ought to do it ourselves. we ought not to do this through pakistan or the afghan central government it this is something the united states should do directly. >> mitchell: what are the dangers of the u.s. leaving afghanistan? your opinion? >> again, i don't want to leave. i want to scale down. >> mitchell: right. >> but we have to assume that whether we stay or not, and whatever numbers we stay or not, some taliban are going to regain power in parts of the country. and where they regain power, it's to the going to be pretty. but that's the nature of things in afghanistan. i don't believe it's realistic to turn to 100,000 young persons men and women in uniform and say you continue to put your lives on the line forever, in order to prevent yum heights atrocitys in afghanistan. that is simply not something we can sustain. >> mitchell: rich

al qaeda had not focused on the u.k. it attacked as a brought in 2003, but it became clear that its ambition was to attack us in the united kingdom. so we have the heathrow part and others. and we have the shoe bomber. we have richard reid and the secretary bomber. and we had a string of plots and convictions. it is not something that i would have said in open session, but when it was said publicly in 2008 that between 2001 and when she spoke, there had been, i think she said 16 substantial plots of whom which roughly 12 or stopped. 7-7 occurred, tragically. another one would have occurred that would have been incompetent. if they were not detected in advance. it is a judgment about what constitutes it, but roughly a dozen which were stopped. of those, many did involve other countries and people in other countries. but in most of them, british citizens predominated. >> part of the war in your view was that the war in iraq would aggravate the threat to to the united kingdom. how did it communicate with you to the prime mi