karl rove, for example, is not a big fan of ms. o'donnell's. >> there is just a lot of nutty things that she has been saying that doesn't add up to. >> sean: sounds like you don't support her. >> i'm for the republican, but i have got to tell you, we were looking at 8 to 9 seats in the senate. we're now looking at 7 to in my opinion. this is not a race we are able to win. >> he is one of the so-called experts whose credibility was hurt last night. he was here in delaware meeting with the tea party folks asking them not to get behind me. their response was you are asking us to put party power over principle. you obviously don't understand what's going on in the country this year. >> bill: talking points is not going to get in the middle of the rove o'donnell brawl that would not be prudent. ms. o'donnell is correct in saying that many republicans voters are fed up with the establishment. they want new people to represent them. mr. rove is also right when he says it is likely christine o'donnell will not win in delaware. independents

karl rove promptly savaged her on fox while shawn's head spun. just tweeted pleading for conservative focus. i thought ms. o'donnell didn't like that. gop cannibalism next. >>> karl rove will not go gently into the tea party night. rove versus o'donnell again, and palin's pleading tweet. the democrats are largely sitting back and watching, but not the president. he has today attacked the republicans for blocking his tax cuts. times are tough, but these two men are willing to stick out their necks to protect the poor and downtrodden of our nation. you know, their fellow pasty white guys and the suffering tea party that protects them. >>> fire then fired. and for once, the first amendment really does apply. why you and i must defend this koran burner. that and worst. >>> as we first reported here in 2006, in his book tempting faith, david quo wrote that karl rove's office referred to evangelical christian leaders who support rove coveted at the ballot box as goofy, ridiculous, and nuts. last night after christine o'donnell's victory interfered with

i think that karl rove is right. >> if the media didn't have the distraction of rove for deepers reasons not just 51 seats in the senate, this tea party movement is a repudiation not just of obama, but karl rove and the bush policies. i think if the media would stop focusing on that, if we didn't have the deep division and public trashing of her and she could if the g.o.p. was behind her and the earned attention and media she gets this is the rah is that would determine control in the senate, could-- >> i do, too. >> i don't really want to be the defender of karl rove here. and i'm sure many people for that role, but you do have to say that while that passion has been attractive to republicans, it's a dangerous thing. >> absolutely. >> i think we've seen the-- >> that kind of talk and-- >> what is so dangerous-- >> i want to touch on the piece ran in the new york times, profile of john boehner, house minority leader, talks about his tan and likes to smoke while he plays golf and critics say this is the new york times running interference for the white house on one of the political enemie

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karl rove may be out of the white house, but he still has skin in the game. his political action committee american cross roads is spending millions to try to elect republican senators in nevada, colorado, and elsewhere. before last night, rove's belief was the republicans could regain the senate, and then o'donnell had fun storming the castle and then karl rove went on fox and chewed up ronald reagan's 11th commandment. stuck it in a straw and shot a soing wet spitball at poor sean hannity. >> it doesn't matter. i've got to tell you, i wasn't, frankly, impressed as her abilities as a candidate. and again, these serious questions about how does she make her living? why does she mislead voters about her college education? how come it took her nearly two decades to pay her college bills to get her college degree? how did she make a living? why did she sue a well-known conservative think tank? it does conservatives little good to support candidates who -- at the end of the day, while they may be conservative in their statements do not prove the rectitude and tru

i think that is what karl rove is scared about. there's a reputational hit the republican party will really suffer from if they embrace candidates like this. >> alex, are you concerned about this? >> no, i think it demonstrates a lot of energy in the republican party. this is an anti-establishment year, anti-washington year. people look at these qualified people we have in washington and working together in a bipartisan way and in a bipartisan way they've spent the country into bankruptcy, they've put us in debt for -- that will take forever to pay, so they want it to stop. and that's what you're seeing, i think, this year is a populist, a revolt against the establishment of both parties and they've just eaten the republican establishment for a snack. now dinnertime is november and only democrats are going to be on the menu. >> that's a great metaphor and i applaud you for it. the problem is the closest metaphor i think many people can see historically is to the know nothing party of the 1840s and '50s which was a populist uprising

frankly it is more of a karl rove joint. karl rove's political group american crossroads is pledging to spend $52 million on behalf of republican candidates for these elections this year. $52 million. $52 million. a half million dollars of tea party money ousted an incumbent senator in the alaska primaries this year. karl rove is planning on spending 100 times that much. and the good news for the big guys is that he's raising it all from billionaires. not kidding. salon.com's justin elliott look at the financial disclosures for the month of august and it turns out out of the millions of dollars that karl rove's group raised last month, 91% of it came from just three sources. 91% of the money that karl rove raised last month came from two billionaires and one company owned by a billionaire. 91% of the funding for karl rove's giant outside group that is dumping tens of millions of dollars into the elections for republicans, 91% of their fund-raising last month came from three billionaires. and that's actually off pace for them

. >>> karl rove, frog marched out of fox news. now claims he endorsed christine o'donnell. >> i endorsed her the other night. i said i'm for the republican in each and every case. >> this is how he endorsed her. >> again, the serious questions about how does she make her living? why did she mislead voters about her college education? we'll see if she can answer these questions. >> what a lying sack of -- analysis from howard finemann. how to handle the tough questions, avoid them. >>> 51 minutes later -- >> thanks for being on the program. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> the democratic tax cut. he still won't say he would vote against tax cuts only for the middle class. rand paul insists on cuts for the wealthy even if there's no way to pay for them. >>> and lonesome roads issues a dress code for the tea party. i'm saying maybe it's time to lose, i don't know, the statue oz. dressing up. >> guess what glenn dressed up as today? the chef of the future. all the news and commentary now on "countdown." >> get off your ass and b

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republicans including karl rove are halving at her chances in the general senate election. the question is, did delaware voters just hand joe biden's old seat to the democrats? meanwhile, another big whip for the tea party in new york where a millionaire from buff hoe knocks off republican party favorite rick lazio for the right to take on andrew cuomo. the question is can karl paladino at least make things interesting? we'll see. and just a couple of days after california gubernatorial candidate jerry brown brought up monica lewinsky, clinton endorses brown. will the campaign rivals and new best buds stand arm in arm on stage? way it too early for this. good morning, i'm willie geist and this is way too early, the show that rode a wave of anti-establishment sentiment into this job. i'm glad you're up with us this morning. shoot me an event mail at way too early at msnbc.com. let me know why you're awake. or you can come text the word awake followed by your response to 622639. we'll read the best responses later in the show. the next 30 minutes will be a cram session for th

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you're certainly not going to see a penny out on of karl rove's american crossroads. that's got sarah palin and jim demint and other people leaving the tea party very upset. you've got a situation where rove is one of many players under a lot of pressure to at least sound like he's willing to accept a supporter. i think he's going to be dragged kicking and screaming all the way. >> two developments in the republican campaign. there was a meeting o'donnell's people said she was not going to attend because they demanded she got the questions in advance. i don't think she got the questions in advance, but she showed up anyway. should we be monitoring this debate to see if it rivals the jan brewer debate in arizona? >> i think we'll know a story if karl rove is in the audience asking her why she had her home foreclosed on? did she really go to princeton? this is going to be the theme all the way through with a lot of the tea party candidates. christine o'donnell is going to the big conservative values conference in washington this weekend. i'm sure she doesn't have to wor

now, tim kaine almost agrees with karl rove. kaine, of course, being the head of the dnc that we just saw in the sense is that the theme is, look, if you nominate people for congress, thee senate, even the governorship here in new york. palladino, who are, i don't like to use the word extreme but let's say that their views are explosive, controversial, those kinds of things, that you're helping the democratic party because the independents, the mainstream people will go, you know, i'm not so sure about that what say you? >> i think that's true. and certain individual races the delaware race christine o'donnell seems peculiar candidate is exhibit a in that let's remember, you look at the polling on the tea party and what they stand for and it's really quite popular it is especially popular among independents who are the true swing vote in america. there is a poll out today that says 48% of the people, of independents in this poll support or are a part of what the tea party -- or the tea party. something like, you know, less than

>> some these good ole'e boys and i have nothing against karl rove personally. you know, he's the expert. but some of the folks are saying that people like christine o'donnell and others, tea party americans can't win because they don't want them to win. >> i endorsed her the other night. i said i'm a republican in each and every case. i was one of the first to do it, and look i'm also helping her. i've gotten so many people e-mailing me, written me, i'm so irritated with what you've said the other night. i'm giving a contribution. >> mark halpern that, is the fastest i've seen a guy stuffed at the basket there. karl rove, the architect of the bush machine is now admitting he was wrong within, what, 24 hours. he's been croaked here. what's going on here? can karl rove speak anymore or in the republican party, must you obey the tea party now? >> well, let's try to break down what his objection and some other -- a lot of other prominent republicans were worried about if she became the nominee. they're not saying her views are too extreme. karl made clear in that f

i mean, karl rove. he didn't get elected. the voters didn't vote for karl rove. she got the votes. so, i mean, is there a power shift going on, jim, in washington, d.c. where basically that whole political industry is looking outside going oh, my gosh. the future does not look bright? i mean, rove makes money in politics. >> right. there is a big shift going on. and essentially establishment republicans like karl rove are either going to have to play along, get along, or they're going to find themselves sort of out in the cold. and, you know, that night, that primary night that christine o'donnell won there were those rumblings, jessica yellin reporting the rumblings that perhaps she wouldn't get any money from republican leaders. well, the very next day, john cornyn who is in charge of the campaign committee that gets republican senators elected got behind her. and sent money her way. mitt romney sent money her way. so this san example of how things can change very quickly overnight in politics. and it doesn't help very much -- or it doesn't hurt very much when sarah palin comes i

you're certainly not going to see a penny out of karl rove's american crossroads. that has sarah palin and jim demint and the other people leading the tea party upset. you've got a situation where rove is only one of many players who is under a lot of pressure to at least sound like he's willing to accept and support her. i think he's going to be dragged kicking and screaming all the way. >> two developments in the o'donnell campaign. there is a candidate forum in wilmington which o'donnell's people said she wouldn't attend because organizers refused the demand that she get questions in advance. i don't think she got the questions in advance but she showed up anyway. should we be monitoring the tape when it comes out to see if it rivals the jan brewer debate in arizona? will it be her last appearance in a nonfriendly environment? >> i think we'll know there is a story in karl rove is in the audience asking her why she had her home foreclosed on and did she really go to princeton. this is going to be the theme all the way through. it is with a lot of tea party candi

some of the comments are aimed at karl rove. karl rove is here today to respond in person. martha: former new york governor george pataki behind a new campaign ad that targets democrats who supported the government's health care overhaul, the governor's -- former governor's message, and then there's this: >> you are a crook yesterday, you are a crook today and will be a crook tomorrow. >> you all need to go to jail so we don't have to pay you back one penny. bill: that was july and this is september and we all remember the outrage from folks from that tiny town in california. they are now getting a bit of revenge. the paybacks. and the refunds. the latest, in a moment, here. >> this is why myself and all the police chiefs of this county have said we need armed soldiers not just here in panell county but on the border, where shall should be stopped. they shouldn't be coming into our county in the first place. that's what we're asking for, we're repeating our call. bill: the sheriff from arizona, begging for help, with new threats along the border, illegalling living in caves

and all the talk is about karl rove vs. christine o'donnell. mr. rove will be here. >> over 22 states are considering laws that would condone racial profiling under the guise of immigration reform. today we need a united voice to demand solutions to our country's toughest problems. >> hollywood comes out in favor of compassion for illegal aliens. dana perino and leslie marshall on that. also tonight, dick morris on why president obama remains incredibly popular in europe and glenn beck has some issues with bill's new book pinheads and patriots. >> bill: you're way too complicated for me, okay? [ laughter ] >> bill: caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone, the factor begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the truth about higher taxes. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. because i am a simple man, i am going to cut through the jibberrish on taxes the best i can here we go. president obama wants to end the bush tax cuts, raising the federal income tax rate on americans earning

john, why did karl rove do a 180? >> well, if you analyze the o'donnell election -- and i think that i was part of -- i agreed with karl rove on tuesday night and i have reassessed. you have to respect what the primary voters say. the primary voters said we want christine o'connell. we don't want mike castle. that's part of the processfane analyze it the democratic candidate is very vulnerable. i think that she has a grassroots that -- delaware has a lot of rural areas. and you know she possibly could win. it's a long shot. it's a much more difficult race than it would had been but she can win that race. >> what about you. >> and i could possibly get a contract as big as ed's too. i hope that she does come. karl rove for the first time since i remember him, told the absolute truth. he gave the democrats the campaign ad for her. and you know what, it's too late to take it back. it's out there. and i hope that the democrats in delaware take everything karl rove said and run it from now until november because he told the

i'm counting on karl rove to rise above it. he's a good man. >> sean: mike castle did speak out a little today in part he blamed people like me and levin and rush limbaugh. here's part of what he to say. >> i think the misrepresentations of the lies of sean hannity and rush limbaugh on air were another significant part of all of this. i think some of the misrepresentations in my opponents race were a part of it as well. how they came up with the theory that i voted to impeach george bush, i will never know that was the news for a couple days around the election time. i think by mr. limbaugh. but, there's the kinds of things that make politics very difficult. >> sean: he voted for cap and tax. he voted for tarp. didn't he say in the campaign he wouldn't vote to repeal health care? isn't that his record? >> absolutely. >> sean: he sounds like a liberal, blaming other people. >> you guys brought his voting record to the public, so i thank you, i kind of agree with him. i would call it credit. you were the leader of the band in say

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chuck, here is karl rove. i want chuck to jump in here, karl rove and sean hannity onxd fox last night with one point of view. let's listen. >> it does conservatives little good to support candidates who at the end of the day, while they may be conservative in their public statements, do not evince the characteristics of reck tid tude and truthfulness and sincerity and character that the voters looking for. >> but i think there is just a lot of nutty things you have been saying that don't add up. sounds like you don't support them, but i will tell you -- >> i'm for the republican, but i got to tell you, we were looking at eight to nine seats in the senate, we are now looking at seven to eight in my opinion. this is not a race we are going to be able to win. >> one point of view, a bad night for republicans, the winger won. here is another point of view, chuck, respond to this here is limbaugh today reacting to karl rove, let's listen. >> why not fight for it? castle is okay as the 51st vote but this woman isn'

next on the rundown, karl rove on tea party strategy. how should president obama deal with the insurgent movement? later, sarah palin's daughter bristol dancing on national tv. is that a goodñ÷ >> bill: unresolved problem segment tonight, "new york times" la meaning the fact that some right wing organizations are attacking the obama administration by using tv and radio advertisements. particularly the uber liberal times doesn't mexico that the left routinely does the same thing. some of the reportage karl rove's name has surfaced. he will be with us in a moment. first, here is an example of an ad the "times" does not like. >> alan grayson and suzanne are putting nancy pelosi's liberal agenda ahead of florida seniors. >> they supported pelosi's health care bill. >> which cuts $500 billion from medicare. >> we thought she was looking out for us. >> she switched her vote at the last minute. >> and grayson did some nasty name calling when people disagreed with him. >> they betrayed the trust of florida's seniors and this november we'll rem

are all republicans happy that karl rove is back? >> lots of those running for election are happy that karl rove is back. some of the tea party activists are not thrilled with him because he said that christine o'donnell and the state of delaware was unelectable. he was unhappy because he felt she could cost them control of the senate. but there are lots of republicans here who feel that the republican national committee is not doing some of the things that it needs be doing. and that they're thrilled with karl rove along with ed gillespie and former bush advisor are raising something like $32 million to help do things like get out the vote and run some attack ads in districts in which they feel they can really make a difference. >> david, can karl rove mastermind another republican political victory on november 2? >> i don't think he'll mastermind it, wolf. you know, there's a wave in this country that neither karl rove nor anyone else will control. but he can make a difference in some individual races. he already is. the l.a. times

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can karl rove speak anymore or must you obey the tea party now? >> well, let's try to break down what his objection and some other -- a lot of other prominent republicans were worried about if she became the nominee. they're not saying her views are too extreme. karl thinks her views are fine. they're worried about two things. they're worried about the personal baggage she has and what they believe the character problem will make her unlektable. they don't want as a matter of real politics to lose the seat. the problem is a more cultural one. there are people in the tea party whose attitude is if someone is against the establishment, we're for them. if anybody criticizes them, they're criticizing the heart and soul much the movement. that is a cultural and psychological problem that i think karl misplayed and it will be a challenge for the republican party. i don't think between now and the mid terms but certainly beyond in governing and then looking towards the president. >> what is the cultural problem of karl rove? continue this cycle on both s

but i'm with karl rove on this one. he called her nutty. she is putting a face on the republican party that is very extreme, and she's shaping not only the mid-term elections but she's shaping the 2012 elections. and the way you is tell is this season romney endorsed her immediately. >> and gave her what? >> $5,000. >> right on, mitt. >> because he's pandering to the right. we'll see them all do what john mccain did to try to of course -- the party's right now, fringe. >> let me give a gloss on what you had to say. this is not a rejection of your view. there are 282,000 registered democrats in delaware. okay? she's refocused. our combined 328,000 independents and republicans. >> yep. >> if she pulls a majority of independents and republicans, she could beat kuntz. >> absolutely. and when you look at kuntz' blew states that have already held general elections over the last year and a half, whether it's new jersey, whether it's massachusetts, you've got a purple state virginia that also voted. they all voted in republicans as governors. and i

karl rove -- i'm not sure she won't have a chance. karl rove said she is 11 points behind in the first rasmussen poll. george bush lost delaware by 11 points in 2000/2004. john mccain lost delaware by five points in 2008. it's not so bad she's 11 points behind. if she's a plausible candidate and says i've done things in my past but i'm a serious person and i'm your person. she can make a competitive race. but i personally think mike castle is a better candidate. curious to see what happens in delaware. >> chris: nina? >> it's a fallacy to write off christine o'donnell. if you look at different states, massachusetts at this point in the special election to fill ted kennedy's seat six weeks out, scott brown by the way in a state 3-to-1 democrat to republican, scott brown was empty suit who posed nude in a centerfold of "cosmopolitan." majority of people in delaware support repealing obama care. majority of people support tax decreases or spending to create jobs. this is territory. sharron angle is another example that everybody wrote th

rove stressed, i'm not sure she will not have a chance and karl rove stressed she's 11 points behind in the first rasmussen poll, against a democrat and george bush lost delaware by an average of 11 points in 2000, 2004 and mccain lost delaware, by 25 points in 2008 and it's not bad she's 11 points behind and she can say i did flaky things and i have grown up and i'm serious and if you want someone to vote against the obama agenda, i'm your person, she can have a competitive race, i think. >> i think castle would have been a stronger candidate and i would have voted for castle but i'm curious to see what happens in delaware now. >> chris: nina. >> a fallacy to write off christine o'donnell. if you look at a different state, massachusetts, at this point in the special election to fill ted kennedy's seat, six weeks out, scott brown by the way in a state that is 3-1 democrat to republican, scott brown was an empty suit who posed nude in the center fold of cosmopolitan and we saw what happened there and delaware if you look at the polling, people -- majorities of people in delaware suppo

than karl rove. at fox news hes an analyst and i give him credit for saying what he think, not parting the party -- spouting the party line. as he learned sometimes you say what you think is the truth people get mad at you. >> you asked him today is there a civil war in the g.o.p.? >> he doesn't think there are a civil war but he thinks there are different wings of the party and clearly after losses in 2006 and 2008 there are different factions in the party and they are fighting for what they want. tea party movement is as much with the establishment failures and what they see the opposing in capitol hill breaking promises of cutting spending and allow iing government to continue to grow. maybe not as upset with the democrats but plenty upset with the republicans as well. one thing as a political reporter i love is the idea of all of the tea partiers coming to washington next year to see are they going to change washington or is washington going to change them? it will be a fascinating story. >> fant