randy wine garten has been out there, you have been as well. it's a larger union and reformers say both inside and outside the administration that you are more resistant to reform even than randy wine garten has been. >> they have fought for implemented reform efforts for years. all across this country from evansville, indiana, to denver colorado, to seattle, washington. more aggressively when secretary duncan called for something to be done with the lowest performing schools, we call them priority schools. we're partnering in over 120 schools in 14 states saying if we partner with school board and employees and working with parents, we can turn those schools around. >> everything is a matter of degree. let's see what the president said earlier this week with matt lauer. >> you can't defend a status quo in which a third of our kids are dropping out. you can't defend a status quo when you have 2,000 schools across the country that are dropout factories. if teachers aren't doing a good job, they've got to go. >> what do you say to the president,

. >> randy wine garten is the president of the american federation of teachers, one of the two teacher teachers -- t says no more automatic tenure, if we want to get rid of teachers who are mediocre or poor, we're going to get rid of them. and that's the way it should be across the country, do you gee with that? >> yes. >> no disputes. >> i'm pleased that my successor in new york city said that he applauded the mayor for what he said yesterday. no one wants teachers to have automatic due process. there's a three-year period of probation for a reason. it's supposed to be because you know there's a big learning curve to be a teacher. i talked to teachers in new york city, it's a tough job. and the mayor is right, the overwhelming number of teachers in new york city do an amazing job, but there needs to be a balance in terms of us doing a better job in terms of evaluating teachers, also management doing a better job in terms of saying let's help train teachers up and if they can't do the job, don't let them have automatic tenure. >> there's a new movie out called "waiting for superman" it