i am deeply, deeply ashamed of being an israeli, but i am an israeli, and i will stay an israeli. i carry very deep ill feelings ward the palestinian people, not only about '67, but also and above all about $48, and i -- '48, and i can say here just in a telegraphic way in '48, the ethnic cleansing of '48, if this would have been the end, i would have said let's open a new page because atrocities happen in war, because, you know, each war is something very cruel. it happened, one should correct it, one should do something about it, but let's try to go on. the problem is that the ideology and the policy of '48 continued ever since then physical today. until today. it is the very same ideology, the very same policy. nothing changed, basically. many things change around, but basically, it's the same way of thinking. like in '48. so i'm really looking forward to feel somehow a little prouder and to find some ways to feel less guilty, but unfortunately, this is not the case as i see it for the coming future neither from the domestic arena, nor from the international arena. but i can sa

led drive to find a final peace settlement among the palestinians and israelis has faltered badly even after the perceived bribe offered to israel by the obama administration is the ball in israel's corner now. can. you discuss the middle east peace process i'm joined by gideon levy in tel aviv he is a herat columnist and author of the recent book the punishment of gaza and in boston we have alan dershowitz professor at harvard law school and bestselling author and another member of our cross talk team yelena hunger getting if i go to you first in tel aviv. the word bribery is being used a lot right now almost across the board and the deal is that israel to commit to another ninety day one off moratorium on settlement building in occupied the occupied west bank in jerusalem they've been given a three billion dollar military deal lots of jets there and if there were any kind of resolution coming from the world at large wanting to recognize the palestinian state. beyond these negotiations and netanyahu and his government who are still thinking about it maybe maybe looking for more of a d

if you read the israeli lobby, you will treated to this notion that the israeli lobby is all-powerful and this has become a constant theme that you can read in state department documents going back years that somehow this cobol of jews is exerting too much influence on u.s. middle east policy. i think you can destroy the entire argument with just two words. barack obama. [applause] >> this is a non-partisan thing. another word is george bush. george h. w. bush. or dwight eisenhower or jimmy carter because in each of those cases you can see that by no means for these presidents kowtowing or listening or being controlled by the pro-israel lobby. let me talk a little more specifically about the case of barack obama and where we are today in the peace process to show you a case study of the arab lobby's influence. the israeli lobby's basic philosophy is the government of israel has been democratically elected representatives of the people should decide the fate of israel and should engage in direct negotiations with the arabs, palestinians and other arab states to negotiate a two state so

many israelis are critical of israeli policies many israelis or. anti zionist even i have no problem with people challenging and critiquing zionism israel israeli policies i would never call a person merely did that anti-semitic what does goes well beyond that. thank. you israel question whatever you feel about the justice or injustice of the establishment of the state of israel whatever you think about that that's a historical question there is now a current political question all of the palestinians are the palestinians and huddled to their self determination there are two people living in doubt when one people have the full rights of statehood in any percent of the land and the people who occupied out land for several thousand years consecutively are being there not their right to self-determination in twenty percent of their homeland thank you thank you. i don't entirely agree with the previous speaker. this is the israeli palestinian called. he says the israeli palestinian wrote all the out of this whole conflict the wall street journal jealou

-- joint israeli-u.s. military action likely if we have a israeli-palestinian peace? does it help solve iran if we get a israeli-palestinian peace? >> i think it peace process that is ongoing in movingly the right direction is probably one of the best things we could do to show iran that it passed is the wrong path. i think it's extremely important to leave the door open, as we have, on official and unofficial channels with iran. they have shown a certain willingness to come back, at least to the conference table. we will wait and see whether that happens or not. but i wouldn't necessarily believe that all right now and say sanctions are not going to work. i would not go too far the other way and talk about what we might do if the sanctions don't work. one of the things that has happened between us and the russians and israelis and others is we have arrived at a kind of sense of what that timing is. we know more about their program and it's having difficulty. we generally have a more common view as opposed

the israelis know that. and i think that mr. netanyahu has choices to make. >> that question is a good one. there are three possibilities with respect to the israeli prime minister. he is serious. he is not serious. or alternatively, there is a certain amount of conflict within itself about his own decision or commitment. >> there is a fourth option. you have a palestinian authority that was established in 1993. it has had a legal jurisdiction, economic jurisdiction. then he came into office and everything was taken away. no jurisdiction whatsoever. he was the final authority. we have more options. he does the same. why can we maintain it? keeping security, building institutions. they are building institutions, education, whenever society needs. he believes -- he may believe that he can -- as much as he is weighing his options, we do not want to surprise him. the status quo will not be maintained. >> before we turn to the u.s. role, i have one history question for you. there is no rewind button, unfortunately. if you ask me what

that is something to this day we identify the arab-israeli conflict as the israeli people wanting to be free, versus the palestine problem and at best it is a problem to be sold but not real people to care about and identify with. i think if you ask people, think of israel, they can think of people, think of palestinians the can't think of people like us. >> host: somebody hasn't been sufficiently marketed in this country. >> guest: part is a palestinian problem and a arab problem, they haven't done the marketing, but at this point it doesn't matter whose fault it is, we have a job to do and tha is we are to invested in that region. we have to many lives at stake, to the interests at stake, spent too much money and spend too much political capital. we have to now with the arabs are not going to do a good selling job we have to do the learning ourselves. >> host: we are going to take a break in a minute so i am not going to get too deep into the u.s. policy. we will get into that soon but let me tell you briefly tell you became who you are and the sort of professional era, you are ch

we had with the israelis and a political level and military level. nobody would offer and how many months and weeks. i think i tried to relate with the general consensus that no one suggested that these two trends were totally independent of each other. there is some linkage out there and. he has said, we will deal with the situation as it is for the. no one gave a date for the most positive assessment is the one i gave you. it is remarkable that this has been achieved in a time when there is 0 diplomatic engagement the argument they need diplomacy to get this started is not true. it is false to a system that it can go open ended, especially if the perception is that whatever narrow door might be open will be slammed shut. what does that mean? imine to have time in front of us when the parties can gauge. -- engage diplomatically without fear that it will collapse. that is the case predell. will it take is to the end? i cannot give you a time frame or not. it to be a function of the perception of the possibility of diplomatic engagement they clearly h

you have an israeli occupation. when the israeli occupation came, -- that will tell you something. that will tell you something about the nature of the negotiations. we are different. we are not your normal conflict. we have people 11 going to synagogues same -- we have people who are going to synagogue and saying the same thing every saturday. there are people who go to churches every sunday and believe they are hearing and seeing it for the same time. deal with that. been a believe and a divine power -- they believe and a divine power. the palestinian politics -- it is to people going through labor pains, going through a transition period -- transition. they do not feel like they have finished their transition yet. we have many internal complexities. hamas is the palestinian party. the defeated my party. in 18 days, they were the speaker, the parliament, in five weeks, there were the government. i had been elected from the constituency in 2006. my party cost me to deliver a speech in response to the in tradition -- introduction to the government for a vote of confidence. you are

i guess maybe taking for granted that the israelis would be on board. at this point i don't know if there is a net gain in going to israel or a loss on the arab side. it had become very polarized and he is in a difficult to find. i'm not advising him. >> host: is the next move if you could advise? >> guest: i actually think they should have been tougher and still should be tougher with netanyahu. there is no loss to putting more pressure on him and sending a message of the absolute displeasure. only the possibility and i think in israel the israelis do not want to risk forfeiting the american friendship, and -- >> host: but it is not going to happen, let's be realistic. >> guest: when they tell me in as tough with him as scold them not one building, not were pretty tough. the point is there has been a meandering. they have gone from talked to a something that is a consistently abused child on the palestinian side and a spoiled child, tom friedman is right, on the israeli side, and there are two pathology's playing out the in the middle of the, your beha

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i mean, that's, i think, this this day we identify the arab/israeli conflict as the israeli people wanting to be free versus the palestine p problem. and at best it's a problem to be solved, but not real people to care about and identify with. i think if you ask people think of israel, they can think of people. think of palestinians, they can't think of people or people like us. >> host: somebody like fayyad has not been sufficiently marketed in this country. >> guest: no, right. right. and part of it is a palestinian problem and an arab problem, they haven't done the marketing. but it doesn't matter whose fault it is. we have a job to do, and that is we're too mfsed in that region, we have too many lives at stake, too many interests at stake, we've spent too much money and expended too much political capital. we have to now -- if arabs aren't going to do a good selling job, we have to go over and do the learning ourselves. >> host: we're going to take a break in a minute, so i'm not going to get too deep into u.s. policy, we'll get into that soon. but just tell me briefly how, how you bec

israelis were horrible people. and the transition society usually go through certain period of transition for certain limited period of time, but for us as palestinians, as long as we don't have a defined border, we are in this transition. and that would mean that myover. wagon would always be overloaded with complicity is. at one point, the plo was transferred, meaning countriest. had factions because the assigned question is a question in the minds of rs. and how do you balance severing palestine can use in palestine? how do you balance the political geography of palestinians, whils scattered all over the arab world and doing many cases havea to abide by the rules and understanding of the given of an country they given to survive, to maintain their kids at schools and universities. and then, you have israeli occupation. i was 12 years old when the israeli occupation came. i went to jail by the israelis when i was 13-year-old. that will tell you something. that will tell you something about the nature of the negot

could is solve iran if we got a palestinian-israeli peace? >> i think a peace process that is ongoing and people could see is moving in the right direction is probably one of the best thing we could do to show iran that it is -- it is -- it is -- its path is the wrong path. i think it is extremely important to leave the door open as we have, both on official channels and unofficial channels. they have shown indications of -- of a certain willingness to come back at least to the -- to the conpresence teable, we'll wait and see exactly whether that happens or not. i wouldn't -- i wouldn't necessarily throw in the towel right now and say sanctions aren't going to work or they are. i wouldn't go too far the other way to start anticipating what we might do on what we might do if the sanctions don't work because i think what has happened is we have arrived at a sents of -- sense of what that timing is. we know about their program and it is having difficulty. and we generally have a -- more common view as opposed to -- to 18 months ago where we had

senior leaders get intelligence israeli senior leaders get intelligence israeli senior leaders get intelligence israeli senior leaders get intelligence right up there with iran having nukes and 100,000 missiles, the process of delegitimization of israel as a strategic threat to israel's well-being, right up there with iran nukes and thousands of missiles and rockets. and then in a different way, that same idea back a by the prime minister of egypt, a very erudite middle of the road moderate man who said really struck everybody by his comments where he said the arab-israeli conflict if were not very careful, is in the process of morphing into a jewish muslim conflict. and if that's the case, then it is beyond all of our power to control and resolve. and this is from someone who has no interest in having civilizational clash dominate the way people in his country or people in the region view regional politics because he and what he represents is on the wrong side of that clash. so i thought it was important for all of the -- certainly some of the up beat messages become back it is important to un

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>> the israelis could do this on their own. i'm sure that this administration was supportive of this attack. i mean it's better than going to war with iran. you know, and the israelis aren't admitting it. they need plausible deniability. for the iranians they want to remain a mysterious force and i think that it was actually a brilliant operation. absolutely brilliant. >> roger, i hope that i'm not catching you cold to this but to the extent that we were playing a role would it be legal? >> whatever role that we played would be legal because there would be done under covert authorities. the issue always is whenever you launch an attack in cyberspace, their traditional covert authorities, the traditional way that we do covert action doesn't pertain because i said this was a cyber precision-guided mission that is true but still collateral damage associated with it. you can't control things when they are launched in cyberspace. i guarantee if the u.s. government did have a role and i wouldn't be surprised if it did, that this was

bringing that story later in the program before the palestinians are demanding the giant israeli barrier that surrounds them to be torn down as a world marks the international day against the wall some locals are using the five hundred kilometer long fans for their own benefit and while palestinians are organizing wall tours to showcase their oppression some israeli companies are cashing in. honey a mare lives on a hot piece of real estate but it's not because of his view seven years ago the israeli army bills had sworn in front of his house and behind it and to the sides of it so that now he's completely closed in this gate he's only contact with the outside world and he's the only one with the keys but over our shoulders trying different ways to get me to move they try to force and also by offering me money indirectly they offered me an open chair and told me how my life would change if i took the money and left the country construction on the wall began eight years ago among the nine hundred forty nine armistice line between israel and the palestinian west bank israel insists it's for

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to israeli soldiers accused of using a palestinian child as a human shield received eighty nine sentenced much to the anger of human rights groups and the international community. hello and welcome to the program this is all cs weekly review the timing story russia is open to talks about taking part in a european missile defense system but only as an equal partner president dmitry medvedev was speaking at a nato summit in this been hailed as historic for ending the alliance is a once hostile relationship with moscow but has also has a lower in this to reports differences still remaining. nato rolled out the red carpet for the country once considered its bow and russian president dmitri medvedev arrived at the summit of the former cold war military alliance to leaders welcoming him with open arms and a plea. cooperate with us. let us do this together leaders on both sides seem to indicate they plan to do just that after nato russia talks they hailed as historic missile defense plans under the bush white house provoked the most serious rift between russia and nato since the cold war now the

-- joint israeli-u.s. military action likely if we have a israeli-palestinian peace? does it help solve iran if we get a israeli-palestinian peace? >> i think it peace process that is ongoing in movingly the right direction is probably one of the best things we could do to show iran that it passed is the wrong path. i think it's extremely important to leave the door open, as we have, on official and unofficial channels with iran. they have shown a certain willingness to come back, at least to the conference table. we will wait and see whether that happens or not. but i wouldn't necessarily believe that all right now and say sanctions are not going to work. i would not go too far the other way and talk about what we might do if the sanctions don't work. one of the things that has happened between us and the russians and israelis and others is we have arrived at a kind of sense of what that timing is. we know more about their program and it's having difficulty. we generally have a more common view as opposed

-- joint israeli-u.s. military action likely if we have a israeli-palestinian peace? does it help solve iran if we get a israeli-palestinian peace? >> i think it peace process that is ongoing in movingly the right direction is probably one of the best things we could do to show iran that it passed is the wrong path. i think it's extremely important to leave the door open, as we have, on official and unofficial channels with iran. they have shown a certain willingness to come back, at least to the conference table. we wl wait and see whether that happens or not. but i wouldn't necessarily believe that all right now and say sanctions are not going to work. i would not go o far the other way and talk about what we might do if the sanctions don't work. one of the thingshat has happened between us and the russians and israelis and others is we have arrived at a kind of sense of what that timing is. we know more about their program and it's having difficulty. we generally have a more common view as opposed to 18