yeah i think that the palestinians and i'm not the spokesman for the palestinians by all means note i'm an israeli patriot i care about israel by the palestinian mind and have the right to be sick and tired of negotiating was israel of having another round go for top of communities with smiles which lead to nothing it's now about it's the longest peace process in each story if israel really means peace these are any prime minister should have immediately and now it's freezing all of the settlement and in the end go for any negotiations because this is the first sign of good intentions he's an even capable doesn't the wish to do even this and then he should come because it was shaking table was clean hands when you crown was all those their careers as a result of your spare time for the gentlemen i'm afraid i'm going to have to jump in here move run completely out of time i wish you would have had a chance because he is right all right many thanks to my guest today in tel aviv and in boston and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time and remember cross talk. if

this is the israeli palestinian called. you see israeli palestinians. all the out of this whole conflict the wall street journal general scroll down the hill goes to pakistan. it was a story of islamic extremists i guess kidnapped now they kidnapped him because he was an american journalist of that whole overview sleep like all american journalists you must be a cia agent. but also kidnapped him they discovered they would school who's a jew. and as a matter of fact technically speaking it was really. a go so so i did about it. but i made him confess on camera. speaking to video camera cops on them like this one forced him to to fess up the camera i found the jew the son of a jew us. and then they slit his throat. the people who did that have not been stopped it is really check for people do the problem have a soul in israel. no matter what all the roots of this call for it all we've evolved into a situation today in which a large segments of the world. it's hollywood in the western world and semitism is almost savage in its classical sense large section

military action likely if we have a israeli-palestinian peace? does it help solve iran if we get a israeli-palestinian peace? >> i think it peace process that is ongoing in movingly the right direction is probably one of the best things we could do to show iran that it passed is the wrong path. i think it's extremely important to leave the door open, as we have, on official and unofficial channels with iran. they have shown a certain willingness to come back, at least to the conference table. we will wait and see whether that happens or not. but i wouldn't necessarily believe that all right now and say sanctions are not going to work. i would not go too far the other way and talk about what we might do if the sanctions don't work. one of the things that has happened between us and the russians and israelis and others is we have arrived at a kind of sense of what that timing is. we know more about their program and it's having difficulty. we generally have a more common view as opposed to 18 months ago. >> what is your knowledge [unintelligible] t

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and nonmilitary palestinian state. if you deal with borders, you can't deal with with borders without taking up the other issues. >> why? >> because if you draw the borders, what happens to -- to the people, the opposite side on the wrong side of the border? you got to do the population thing and part of the border is -- is jerusalem. so i don't think it is -- it helps. it moves it ahead. i agree that settlements is -- is -- is going after one part of it, which can't be solved. but to me, a comprehensive offer because this are the issues now that are interrelate pd. >> comprehensive offer by the united states pushed by the president. do you think the president ought to take an offer, proposal and fly to jerusalem and go to bethlehem and ram malhas? >> something dramatic. >> it seems to me that a u.s. proposal. i would say u.s., i think the europeans would love it. they're -- they would obviously love it. to me the worst outcome for the israelis is the palestinians give up the on two-state solution. that presents israel

because then the palestinians could return to the palestinian state. but as we see, this is most probably not going to end up. and we have to find another way in which they would be relative justice. i know it's not the best but we can create justice, and at the same time create a new injustice. so we will go back to europe. this is again, creating new, it is in the. i think the jewish state of israel, is there. let's see how we go on from there to make it a just a state and to make it a state for its citizens. democracy. yes, please. [inaudible] >> microphone, yeah. >> hi. i was just hoping you could tell us about the experience of being so isolated in your profession in israel, and that make you think about the journalists who walk around you with your ideas about objectivity. >> i do like to make a story of myself, and i for sure am not a victim. this is where i gained full freedom. no pressures on me. whatsoever. not military, not nothing. i was facing dangers oslo. i wish i was by the israeli army, but they didn't know i was in the car and he did

no palestinian can make such offers. netanyahu has made up his decision that they think that they can maintain the status quo. no, it will not be meant. >> it is great to see you. >> if i could bring the discussion back to the specifics of this round of negotiations. the palestinians have taken a lot of heat for wasting nine months of the first 10 months of the period of the moratorium. the respective of what you might think about whether the moratorium is serious and what was actually offered. how old you defend against the charge that those nine months were wasted because the plo was not willing to come to the table and there's a corollary question, supposing we get a two-month extension of a moratorium, will the palestinians come back to the table? if you do come back to the table, what do you think you can do in two months that would be an accomplishment that would go beyond those two months? >> this chart showshe moratorium with our figures and israeli figures. when they reached a moratorium of 10 months, this was m

because two things happened with the palestinians. when the palestinians saw that even after obama made settlement such a big issue basically the israelis continued to do some building. they didn't stop entirely and wouldn't stop in jerusalem and from the palestinian perspective and the perspective of much of the arab world obama might be very well-meaning but too week to force israel to do what they wanted. the other thing that happened in terms of palestinians is they never refuse to negotiate because of settlement. since 1993 the palestinians have been negotiating with israel even when settlements were being billed. there was never a demand for a freeze. just a year before obama demanding a freeze they had been in negotiations with the prime minister who offered 97% of the west bank for a palestinian state which they turned down. so once obama said we want the israelis to free the settlement's only the palestinians could not say we are going to be left less hard-line than the americans about this. we have to go for a settlement fre

but the palestinian issue does loom large. why is this? >> guest: there is an -- isn't an arab world on the one hand and there is an arab world on the a forehand. it's like there are catholics sensibilities, there are distinctly arab sensitivities, and one of the key issues is palestine. i call it the wound that never heals. in some ways there is an existential identification the arabs have with that question, and there are people like them who hurt who remind them of their vulnerability, their loss of history, the sense of betrayal by the west. i would say, and some folks don't quite get it, but if they hear me all i think they will, the rule of palestine in the arab consciousness is not unlike the rule of the holocaust and the jewish consciousness in america. it's not a holocaust to be sure, it isn't people who've been exterminated, but it is a people like them who are vulnerable remind them of their own invulnerability and who hurt and therefore make them hurt for themselves. i have had ministers call me and say the guy is that hate ham

agreement. -- palestinian agreement? >> that would mean a major shift in how we have been approaching this in terms of trying to stimulate both parties to see that this is in their interest. frankly, i think both parties generally want to achieve this solution, but the local politics -- the >> i don't think you can do it over the israeli objections. if you can get a negotiation on borders and security and could get israelis and palestinians to agree on what that is, then the proposition you put to both of them as wooden did advance that process and be in their interests if we stood up with that state with provisional borders, security and borders having been resolved. the question is whether you could persuade them if that is in their interest. >> a country like ron does not want to see that happen. ed immediately changes the equation. strategically, in a geopolitical sense, this would be a good thing. >> i'm going to take a quick break for our sponsors. -- leading to a question, i see someone with our middle east invest

israel's mulling over another temporary halt on building jewish settlements on palestinian territory in return for being given three billion dollars worth of fighter planes it's washington's latest effort to get it stalled peace talks moving once again the deal. to hand over a new f. thirty five would give the israeli air force unmatched striking capabilities in the region u.s. and also into international resolutions against israel united nations and will not ask for another freeze when that deadline is up palestinians are not least because the proposal will not apply to east jerusalem where live now to washington phyllis bennis you can give us her insight into this latest development she's director of the new internationalism project of the institute for policy studies thanks very much indeed for joining us the u.s. is lining up an expensive initiative here isn't it what three billion dollars is this the last throw of the dice to actually achieve peace or is it a pretext that some may see it as the u.s. using this is a way to arm its ally against iran under the guise of of a peace d

palestinians are scattered all over. in many cases, they have to abide by the rules of a given country they live on a. -- live in. you have an israeli occupation. when the israeli occupation came, -- that will tell you something. that will tell you something about the nature of the negotiations. we are different. we are not your normal conflict. we have people 11 going to synagogues same -- we have people who are going to synagogue and saying the same thing every saturday. there are people who go to churches every sunday and believe they are hearing and seeing it for the same time. deal with that. been a believe and a divine power -- they believe and a divine power. the palestinian politics -- it is to people going through labor pains, going through a transition period -- transition. they do not feel like they have finished their transition yet. we have many internal complexities. hamas is the palestinian party. the defeated my party. in 18 days, they were the speaker, the parliament, in five weeks, there were the govern

agreement. -- palestinian agreement? >> that would mean a major shift in how we have been approaching this in terms of trying to stimulate both parties to see that this is in their terest. frankly, i think both parties generally want to achieve this solution, but the local politics -- the >> i don't think you can do it over the israeli objections. if you can get a negotiation on borders and security and could get israelis and palestinians to agree on what that is, then the proposition you put to both of them as wooden did advance that process and be in their interests if we stood up with that state with provisional borders, security and borders having been resolved. the question is whether you could persuade them if that is in their interest. >> a country like ron does not want to see that happen. ed immediately changes the equation. strategically, in a geopolitical sense, this would be a good thing. >> i'm going to take a quick break for our sponsors. -- leading to a question, i see someone with our middle east investme

trees. -- of them stealing olives from palestinian trees. driving away from another jewish settlement, he found this. ross sewage from a nearby settlement pouring down to a palestinian -- raw sewage from a nearby settlement pouring down to a palestinian field, killing the olive trees. >> [unintelligible] >>, ultimately, this is not about all of trees. this is a struggle for land between palestinian farmers who have lived on it for centuries and jewish settlers who believe it has been given by god to them. >> we broke this 24 hours ago, but it is too good not to return to. maybe you should have a poke around your attic of the weekend. a brother and sister caring for their parents' suburban home in britain came across a chinese vase they thought might be good at auction. they are now better off by $17 million. the auction house is in shock. >> it is a beautiful, ornate. but it had been cleared out of a bungalow in northwest london. the family thought it was only worth about 800 pounds. the staff decided to have a closer look. >> when the aucti

so only london amnesty took palestinian cases. so if we can across a woman prisoner who has been tortured in prison or a young arab american who had been detained for months and forced to sign a confession in hebrew without ever even read it, we take individual cases or house demolition cases, etc., people in the camps being treated badly by the lebanese authorities, etc., that's the stuff we did so in some ways we were not the palestine solidarity committee that existed. we were not the plo friends of the plo group that existed. we were a human rights campaign, and so some of those issues didn't affect us but we were clear in condemning that stuff and made it very clear that it will only was destructive of human life on the israeli side but it was destructive of people love understanding of the palestinians on the other side. it was bad for both. >> host: talk about the central the of the palestinian issue for era this. you think i do a very good job of explaining that there is and in a way no such thing as an air of tecum -- ara

how'd you incorporate that part of palestinian territory to palestinian state -- into a palestinian state? is there a point at which you begin to reach out to pass? -- out to hamas? >> gen. jones, you take that one. >> why my answering the question? [laughter] i will just venture to say that i believe that if we begin to make progress on palestinian peace, hamas cannot afford to be left out, and we would take away some of the leverage to say no by beginning to move. they will feel compelled to participate. >> that's right. we talked about the top-down or bottom-up approach being complementary. if we can get those two things working, the whole situation with hamas is different, and the whole situation with iran is different. i really think that the west bank is where we start. we recognize that ultimately, what the state will look like at some point -- that does not mean you cannot make progress now. trying to fix this now means you will only delay the process of getting the key -- a state solution in the future. >> if you get a peace deal, president abbas is in a position to go to hamas a

promise not to ask it to prolong it any further palestinians are criticizing the plan saying their proposed freeze will not apply to east jerusalem the recent round of u.s. brokered peace talks became stuck three weeks ago after they began and that was after israel reaffirmed its commitment to continue building settlements in palestinian areas let's not discuss this with eve from the u.s. or council in jerusalem which actually represents the jewish settlements hello to

once again, madam secretary, on behalf of the palestinian people, on behalf of president abbas, palestinian national authority, my colleagues in government, i thank you personally for the effort that you have made to support us and for your continued and longstanding support, for the efforts of your colleagues. i thank president obama, u.s. congress, and of course, the american people for this largesse. thank you so very much. >> thank you very much, prime minister. we greatly appreciate your efforts and your very gracious words about our country and our support for you. now i think i'm going to take a question here. is that what's happening? >> you've got the meeting with the vice president coming up. >> right. well, i can probably take one question maybe. ok. >> madam secretary, we've seen all the controversy develop this week on settlements between the israeli government, the palestinians, and the administration. so what do you think you can achieve on that front by talking to prime minister netanyahu tomorrow? and how do you assess the hope of resuming the peace talks at all? >> well, i

so i guess my question is, on the palestinian side, how do palestinian internal politics constraints, opportunities shape and affect the palestinian position in the negotiations? >> is a transitional state of mind. i think it's the most difficult thing we have to deal with. and sometimes we have ourselves asom per the period and then wee realize we are just like anyer other society with you ore. israelis were horrible people. and the transition society usually go through certain period of transition for certain limited period of time, but for us as palestinians, as long as we don't have a defined border, we are in this transition. and that would mean that myover. wagon would always be overloaded with complicity is. at one point, the plo was transferred, meaning countriest. had factions because the assigned question is a question in the minds of rs. and how do you balance severing palestine can use in palestine? how do you balance the political geography of palestinians, whils scattered all over the arab world and doing many cases havea to abide by the rules and understanding of the gi

we need to work with the palestinian authority to support their efforts to build toward a future palestinian state that is able to govern itself, uphold its responsibilities to provide for its own people, and ensure security. progress on this second track gives confidence to negotiators, removes excuses for delay, and underscores that the palestinian authority has become a credible partner for peace. now, earlier this fall, i was able to visit ramallah and see firsthand the continuing progress that the palestinian authority is making under president abbas and prime minister fayyad. thanks to their hard work, the palestinian authority is reversing a history of corruption and producing results that actually matter and improve the lives of palestinians. as a result, new businesses are opening, taxes are being collected, services are being delivered, security is much improved and the economy is growing. when you look around ramallah and other palestinian communities today, you see new buildings going up, professional police officers on the streets, and a sense of opportunity and purpose. in fact

73% of palestinians say security forces were for the palestinian people. their graduation exercise is attended widely by family. this is something that has more and more by the end of the public. 63% say they fl secure in their own town. according to the commander in 2007, there were 700 shooting incident in 2007. in 2009, it was down to 19. this year, we thought the number was even lower. most import lane is the corporation -- importantly is the corporation. the training is done in the e iman -- yemen area. there is not been one case and then using firearms against israelis. they have been reopened. you have heard me before. this has meant that preachers who were agitating for suicide bombs have been removed from mosques. it is an effort to start reforming the colleges where they train them. this is an important mosque initiative. it is one the most important part is going on. the israelis from a few years ago. it is at 43. it is devoted to the west bank. there is this cooperation. israel has reduced rates. for the palestinians, the numbers went to 0. the

palestinians are demanding the giant israeli barrier that surrounds them to be torn down as the world marks an international day against the wall some locals are using the five hundred kilometer long fans for their own benefit and while palestinians are organizing wall tours to showcase their oppression some israeli companies are cashing in. honey a mare lives on a hot piece of real estate but it's not because of his view seven years ago these radio army bills had sworn in front of his house and behind it and to the science of it so that now he's completely closed in this gate his only contact with the outside world and he's the only one with the key but over all just trying different ways to get me to move they tried to force and also by offering me money indirectly they offered me an open show and told me how my life would change for it took the money and left the country construction on the wall began eight years ago among the nine hundred forty nine armistice line between israel and the palestinian west bank israel insists it's for security but palestinians complain it's a party a

there a 72% of palestinians say the security services work for the palestinian people. the graduation exercises attended lately by families. this is something that is god more and more body and of the public. 63% say they feel secure in their own count. according to the idf commander 2007 from the west bank, there were 700 shooting incidents in 2007. in 2009, with 700 down to 19. this number was even lower although there was that fatal killing of those four settlers on the eve of the peace talks starting. and the most important to me is the cooperation set is a constant. thanks to the u.s. funding, palestinian security services, 3600 people the training is done by jordanian session we pointed out in the armani area appeared 3600 security troops have been trained in the dayton program or lower program, however you want to call it. or even lifting a stereo or any corruption issues. and i think that's important. it is embedded in all science. 300 is the association has been closed down under hamas and have been reopened under a non-hamas management. you heard me before. i

with a palestinian west bank while either is or cashing in on the separation some travel agencies are using the sayah has a tourist attraction and organizing tours showcasing the five hundred kilometer long fans. the g twenty summit is to kick off in south korea later this week where u.s. chinese economic disagreements are expected to loom large the u.s. has been pushing china to revalue its currency while other countries have accused washington of deliberately weakening the greenback u.s. economist michael hudson says the meeting in so will not bring an end to the global currency wars.

human rights activists working with palestinians say they're under pressure from israel which claims their stoking the conflict there the interior ministry stopped issuing permits to many forcing them to work illegally his policy has been meeting activists who say the accusations are groundless and that israel regards any palestinian supporter as an enemy. they're the visitors israel doesn't want activists from around the world who come here to photograph and protest palestinian suffering will most of the n.g.o.s only bring more fuel to the conflict make it much more harder to solve the conflict bring more hate to the conflict and they have huge he kidnapped the human right which is why from the beginning of the year the israeli ministry of interior started with drawing work permits from international n.g.o.s oxfam save the children and medicine some pontiff have all been affected everybody who voices approach to the end view anybody who supports justice propels the ends and palestinian refugee is is an enemy of israel and says pro quo a terrorist i simply don't buy don't think there

while politicians are trying to bring peace to the middle east thousands of palestinians say they're living under an apartheid barrier almost seven hundred kilometers long has been dividing the west bank for eight years israel says it's for security but palestinians insist it's segregation. went to check on what's hiding behind the peace facade. honey a mare lives on a hot piece of real estate but it's not because of his view seven years ago the israeli army both had sworn in front of his house and behind it and to the sides of it so that now he's completely closed in this gate his only contact with the outside world and he's the only one with the key bridge over i was told just trying different ways to get me to move they tried to force and also by offering me money indirectly they offered me an open chair and told me how my life would change if i took the money and left the country construction on the wall began eight years ago among the nine hundred forty nine armistice line between israel and the palestinian west bank israel insists it's for security but palestinians complain it'

in a national day of dance the wall as palestinians reigniting calls for israel to break its barrier with a palestinian west bank while others are cashing in on the separation some travel agencies are using the side as a tourist attraction and are organizing tours showcasing a five hundred kilometer long fancy. dam the side effects of the vietnam war are raging on destroying thousands of lives with man again and we say no amount of us compensation can give them back their healthy america. army sprayed some twenty million gallons of the poisonous herbicide causing deaths as well as birth defects . also have eyes here in our t.v. all next we meet the children of those who suffered from radiation hiroshima and nagasaki after nuclear bombs were dropped on the japanese cities at the end of the second world war. maturity the capital project in american millet.

and i think this is being debated right now within the palestinians to say within the palestinian leadership in court nation with the arab countries because for the last 17 years, this process did not produce but half a million settlers and more settlements in the west bank and israeli facts on the ground that are aimed at making the realization of an independent palestinian state impossible, then what is the census continuing in the strike? this is a question we are being faced right now. and we have tried in the past to get answers. we want to give a chance. we want to continue. but today i think we are at a juncture that we really need to contemplate in explorer other values of course short of violent to try to deal with this issue and you know, this debate is ongoing. it's a serious debate and it will be important to determine the next step on the part of the palestinian and arabs in general. i just want to allude to an issue that the speakers here mentioned, which is donor support, economic conditions, funding the palestinian authority, i think a lot of people are mixing or deliberately

across the west bank the story for palestinian christians is as bleak and the threat comes from both extremists jews and muslims bethlehem the believed birthplace of christ once boasted a population of eighty five percent christian today less than ten percent live here this woman is afraid to show her face she used to go to manchester square and teach about jesus but all that ended after her house was nearly burned down i didn't feel like i belong to this nice anymore i feel like i'm staying to give an opportunity she says she wouldn't think twice about leaving the explosion of muslims. you know you feel you feel controlling everywhere every thing my granddaughter had to memorize. but tuss abu sada ignores the threats he's one of a growing number of muslims whose converted to christianity in recent years one hour as a fighter over there i hated christians just as much as i hated jews i was going on around your and looking for their homes and. into their homes or putting out their cars because i believed christians are spies. the christianity can search alongside islam and judaism her

two israeli soldiers accused of using the palestinian child as a human shield receive aid not seem to match the anger of human rights groups and the international community. welcome see this is a lie from moscow with me alice have as her russian businessman and alleged smuggle of the boot has pleaded not guilty to charges including terrorism owns trafficking he was extradited to the u.s. from bangkok earlier this week and is now in solitary confinement in new york moscow's demanding a fair trial and says it will continue to provide consular assistance when enough or not it takes up the story. a two and a half year campaign to get one russian citizen accused arm dealer victor boot begins to face american justice victor booth came into u.s. custody on tuesday set to stand trial on arms smuggling and terrorism charges one conspiring to kill united states nationals to conspiring to kill united states officers and employees three conspiring to use an acquire anti-aircraft missiles and for conspiring to provide material support to the fark meantime the u.s. to stands accused of breaking law

on the palestinian or in the european side to negotiate an end. to the violent attacks against israel which i have no fear of. calling. so long as you have no. calling the leader of the state of israel one of the main terrorists in the world. we are supposed to be seriously examining history when you mention a few words about jewish culture. and people get so upset this is i'm sorry to say it's a form of emotional blackmail. coming up here on our team from moscow later. in his day it was dubbed the birth of international law the trials of seeing enough season the german city of nuremberg sixty five years ago to mark the anniversary now a tribunal museum has been opened in germany presenting the full history of the hearings out is rare for national has been following the opening ceremony in europe . speaking at the opening of the nuremberg trials me more here in germany in that room it's called room number six hundred in the palace of justice in nerve exactly where more than four hundred court hearings over more than twenty nazi leaders took place