. >> rose: the role of the army here? >> the army felt that any further... nothing was working because he went out with the speech and it didn't work. so the army saw the situation as not working and meanwhile there were demonstrations all over egypt and workers were going on the street, striking, occupying factories, people working in newspapers were kicking their chief editors, the country was completely going to be loose and gone so the army felt any delay of the president to leave would not be accepted. that's what happened. >> rose: but you were part of a group of people, and what role did this group of people play? this role was called the group of the wise and it started immediately on the 24th of january because we felt that... we analyzed the situation and we said that the best way out of that is to get get all the reforms mentioned, clearly mentioned, what are the demands. because from the square there were many screaming and demands and so on. so we had legal people, we had i'm a businessman, squalors, chief editors, 11 people who represent a lots

narrator: washington's army has been on the run for three weeks. perhaps "army" is the wrong term. there are just a few thousand soldiers starving, demoralized, on the brink of defeat. it was a moment when the leaders on both sides thought that the revolution had been defeated. most of the british leaders believed that. washington believed it. narrator: the struggle for independence from great britain seems near an end. along with it, the lofty ideals of liberty and freedom. washington himself harbors no illusions. man as washington: ten days more will put an end to the existence of our army. narrator: in fact, ten days will change the war and the world. ten crucial days in and around trenton and princeton when george washington and his army alter the course of history. these ten days in which washington reversed the slide towards defeat and collapse are ten of the most important days in the history of the world. narrator: december 12, 1776. washington's army is on the pennsylvania side of the delaware. across the river in new jersey, the british-- well armed, well fed, supremely c

what the army thinks is legitimate is not defined. the people know what they want. >> we don't want a mubarak anymore. it's over. it's over. >> tomorrow we be free! >> cairo citizens have been tightening the hold on the center of the city which they seized from the regime's police on friday. >> out with mubarak. >> we need to check there's no police coming in. show us your i.d. cards. they pounced on the man who didn't want to. >> keep moving, my brothers, says mohammed. he was hurt by a policeman and wears his bandage like a campaign medal. as an egyptian, it's my duty to be here, he says. there has to be change. every egyptian should feel that here we regain our rights. you could see new civic pride, a sense of taking ownership. and their feeling safe enough up here to bring the children down. that wasn't the case even yesterday. perhaps prematurely they strolled around as if the departure of president mubarak was a done deal. egyptian tv showed him swearing in his new government. he's ordered his vice president to open a dialogue w

women would serve with the army, not in the army. this meant that members of had no offical military status, they would have a separate system of rinks different from men and be placed in and any mission that involved many and they couldn't give orders to the men and they didn't raise a salute. it would be apparent that the women in the waac just like in the nurse corps could serve in the combat zones but were not afforded the military protection, privileges and rights enjoyed by the males in the similar situations. meanwhile, legislation to create the women's services had come to the attention of congress. this bill would establish the three branches in the u.s. navy, marine corps and coast guard. edith rogers along with eleanor roosevelt had put the fear of god into the navy admiral beckham december of 1941. so the navy supported the bill passed and signed into law in july, 1942. now the riding of the creation of these new women's military branches was the women's advisory council. they were civilian educators who represented the f

perhaps the army may well believe that -- >> the army we -- the army may well believe that vigilante's control every street corner. but they understand they cannot just move in in force and qb demonstrators down. bt and menswear option -- they will understand that president mubarak will have to go. >> so it will not be the army, but the demonstrators themselves to define the outcome. just as it will be the army which besides the ultimate fate of president mubarak. reached -- which besides the ultimate fate of president mubarak. >> and our middle east editor jeremy bowen is with me now. jeremy, this decision is truly momentous, isn't it? >> what it does is take away a huge measure of uncertainty in the minds of any potential demonstrator. and also perhaps, it has taken a tool away from an increasingly- desperate president mubarak. of course the egyptian army has no tradition of shooting added some people in the history of modern times. but this means when people go on the street, they know the army is not going to hurt them. for them, it gives the demonstrators a great deal of confidenc

. >> i think the army is egypt. because in every house in egypt you have a son or father in the army. so we are one. and we might suffer a little bit because of the strict army rule but this is for our own good. because mubarak left the country in corruption and unemployment. >> warner: but when we got down to tahrir square where really the demonstrators had camped out and protested and some died for the cause, the picture is definitely more complicated. i mean again it was jubilant, again it was ecstatic it was one big, in fact, very chaotic party. a lot less discipline than it had been earlier today. it's impossible to keep discipline. but listen here now, i found a brotherhood activist and he said this is a great day for egypt. after 30 years we got rid of this author tearian dictator, et cetera, et cetera. and i said are ready to go home. listen what he had to say. >> no. >> no, our demands are not met yet. we are not going to be ruled by the army. we have to have a civil government. i'm not speaking just for my

we want the army to be in charge just for the transition of power. but some people are really worried. i hoped for a peaceful transition which followed the law. those celebrating now should stop treating it there are those who aren't happy. one said, it's very sad news, but i'm not surprised. these people chanting and chanting in the streets will soon find out the high price we have to pay. be that as it may, the egyptian army has promised a peaceful transition to a civilian administration. its people will be watching very closely. dominic cain , "bbc news." rr there is more on our website, do take a look. >> and you're with "bbc news." once again, our headlines. the president of egypt he or she he or she has resigned after more than two weeks of mass protest against his authoritarian rule. president obama has welcomed mr. must be must be's resignation, describing it as just the beginning of egypt's transition to democracy. now we are joined from cairo. welcome to "bbc news." how will all this change your life? >> absolutely. it will change my future

a number of people i have spoken to specifically on the subject of the army were insisting that the army remain neutral, even though there was a slight suspicion perhaps that they had been lied to earlier in the day when the army came here, spoke to the demonstrators and said, "tonight, you will get all your demands that -- met." that clearly did not happen, but they still believe the army is neutral, and one young lady i spoke with said it is vital that the army remain neutral because, in her view, it would be a recipe for civil war. at the moment, there is a feeling that the army is still playing it straight, but there is this enormous sense of disappointment at what they heard from president mubarak. some people said in surprise. other people really resigned at once again they had heard from the president that he was not intending to do their will, even though they recognize that he did make gestures towards this gradual transition. >> we have seen the square transformed into a tense city where people have been spending the night. is there signs that despite the temperatures that have

the army has control. >> the army is in charge of the transfer. the transition of egypt from where it has been to where it's going. >> okay. one good thing came out of this announcement a few hours ago, is that the country has avoided a major confrontation between the military establishment and the people. i think that was one the designs. and possibly given the fact that mubarak's statement last night was really disappointing to the majority of the egyptian population and his refusal to step down, was really a sending veing dangerous and risky signals that the country was on the verge of a confrontation between the military establishment and the rest of the population. the military, of course, took the right decision by stepping in and preventing such an escalation, such a bloody confrontation from happening. this is a transition, as you said. and this is not a new scenario. we have seen this happening in several countries. and we have a lot of models. we have a turkish model where the army and the military has always played a role in several dem

the army stayed neutral. the israelis and saudis came out and said the americans are undercutting, stabbing mubarak in the back, an old friend, throwing him seemed to indicate that he wants to be there when the next president is inaugurated, and as of now there is no way in my judgment those protestors without the help of the army can remove president mubarak if he does not wish to go. i think the army and mubarak and all the the others know the mubarak era is over but they want to see the future era very much like the recent past, where the army and the army's people are really in power, and i think ultimately they may prevail. >> do you agree? >> no, i agree with parts of what he said. the army is the legitimate and respected institution in the country. and whatever happens next, must have the backing of the army. i think the army is divided right now, because it's an army of conscript and they clearly feel sympathy with the people. mubarak has pulled back from an initial display of power. i think people ar

probably the army are at relief because as far as i understood it from the people i know in the army, they were very divided among themselves. as far as i know, they were ordered twice to shoot on the protesters and the lower rank officers refused to carry out the orders of their superiors. i think they are just basically letting everyone celebrate. people are not really caring about what is going to be going on tomorrow. they just want to stay in the moment, as far as i can feel. >> we will let you get back to the celebrations in the center of cairo where the presidential palace is situated. that put these extraordinary events unfold in egypt in some perspective. our correspondent joins us from jerusalem. many have wondered whether what happened in tunisia could happen here in egypt. the symbolism of president mubarak going under protest will have a huge ripple effect right across the region. >> it will. it is already having an effect here in israel, creating quite a lot of fear and anxiety in israel about what the future may hold, not just for egypt, but what might happen to other r

we like the army." i think they like the army because they're very professional and the police are the bad guys. but no one underestimate what is the army is capable of. they've lived with this in egypt. they know better than we know what the army is capable of. and they have been... the evidence is very clear. the army didn't stop anyone from attacking these protestors. they're not actively siding with the people. at some point when you try to be neutral, failure to act is the same as acting at some point and they're choosing a side in my view. >> rose: what do they think of omar suleiman? the army? >> i found that such an interesting appointment. that... for mubarak to say, okay this is a step forward, i understand that not having a vice president all that time it was a step forward just to have one but the minister of intelligence? i mean, are you kidding? what does a police state and dictatorship function on? they function on intelligence. this is ingrained in this society. people informing on each

the army high command met. afterwards, it issued what it called communique number one, saying it would preserve the nation and the aspirations of the people. as word spread that the president could be going, thousands of egyptians crossed the bridge over the nile that leads to tahrir square. this has become a very well- trodden route. the regime was hoping the protesters would exhaust themselves. the president's opponents have had the numbers and the energy. this week, the demonstrations have been the biggest yet. in the square, as they waited for the president's announcement, the sense of expectation group. >> today is the day of victory, the day of freedom. finally. it is a great, great day. the egyptians are whole again. >> most people in the square assumed the president was going and started their parties. one rumor said he was already in a flight out of the country. but some closed their minds to wishful thinking. >> i hope it is a big day. i am waiting. i am not going home until i know what happens. if no

it is hard to tell what the army is going to do, but the army is on the side of the people. >> when you look at the crowds moving out, what kind of people are they? are there mainly the under protesters or is it still at this early hour in the morning, i cross-section of egyptian society? >> i can see children. i can see young people. i can see old people. i can see women. i can see muslims, i can see coptics, i can see everyone who has been watching this scene. they are moving independent of their actions. as you can hear, the crowd now, people want to trial mubarak and his regime. >> thank you for joining us from tahrir square. thousands are now moving out of the square in reaction to the president's speech in which, contrary to expectations of some, he did not either step aside or step down. let's hear some of what he had to say about his powers. >> i thought to transfer powers of the president to the vice- president according to the constitution. i am very well aware egypt will come through the crisis and the will of its people will not be broken. it will stand on its feet again wit

the one factor here is can the army be on the street? which is really not their job to keep people safe and direct traffic. these a fighters. they want to go back to their baracks. at some point, they have to decide, we had enough. >> when president mubarak took the decision he did to announce to his people that he would stay on, would he have consulted the army? can we assume that the army is saying, yes, this is the best way forward? >> i think probably part of the speech looked like it is written by the army, that indeed, here is my commitment. it is going to be the end of my career as president, with this term. probably my family would not be running and all of the above. and this is probably the -- at his insistence at the army. will that be enough? i think egypt moved from the enough movement, the start movement to the not enough movement. there's something that will take egypt out of it. something serious. the idea of 10 chosen men to talk to the president is also a very suspicious scon assistant. people do not believe it. the opp

in the british army than in the continental army. it turns out the war is over. he's training these guys, the continental army is probably better equipped to fight after the war is over than it ever was before. but they're not being paid and there are various plans to bring forward pensions but all of them are clearly not going to work, because the states are sovereign with regard to taxes. and the states are not going to live up to their promises to commit towards money for the continental army. the army is in some sense an embarrassment, it's a standing army. isn't that what we're against? you begin to get the militia myth, the militia won the war, which is utter nonsense. the continuenental army won the war. they come to washington with a proposal. that they march on philadelphia, demand a pension, demand land in the west, and crown washington as monarch or emperor. they might have to come one a different title, they said. washington gathers them in a big room in newberg and 500 officers . he spends two days writing his speech. he

i used to work as an army historian for the army center, working for the pentagon. about ten years ago i had a little extra time on my hand. i said i'm going to dust this off and try to get back into it and fix it up. so there we are. ten years later. additional research. yes. >> the valor of ignorance, heavy rhetoric, pretty good work, pretty good thinking. >> nothing else like it to compare it to. unless you want to read something from the 1890's, if you are a progressive modern a military officer and served thirsting for things that can help challenger in aircraft, this is set. i mean, it was not written by an american military officer. that is the catch. he did his homework, got on a mule and when all over the mountains licking and photography, the geography of how you actually would launch an invasion. he did not just sit back. he looked at the land. the u.s. army today, look at the land. they would love homer lea. wow, i want to thank you all very much and that concludes. if you have any questions or comments please get in touch with me at a later date. [appla

the army has a building heavily defended. but the protesters were allowed to gather on their side of the barbed wire. plenty of them were hoping the army would give the president a final push out of office. they paralyzed the center of cairo but their message is not getting through to the regime. their challenge is to keep the pressure on president mubarak and to increase it if they can. the noon press will start in a couple of minutes. the sermon said you are in the heart of the battle now. we must change the regime that never listens. the soldiers prayed alongside them. the protests here meant the demonstrations were spreading. and they cult the building off. depriving the regime of yet another of the tools that was used to control the people. then in late afternoon, in jammed tahir square, some signs of movement. there's an important announcement coming from the presidency soon, he said. they gathered for once in almost perfect silence around the loudspeakers. but it was another anti-climax. the news reader says president

they had the american military, iraqi police, iraqi army and they had the mahdi army. they had the numbers to defeat the sunnis. in the summer of 2006 come even a little earlier, americans finally came to the realist nation three years too late that the occupation was a problem. the american commander began to describe the american occupation of a problem in our presence in iraq is creating antibodies. that was certainly true in the main struggle in iraq was antieducation come a national liberation struggle or you have resistance groups fighting americans. by 2006 -- even 2005, iraq wasn't anti-american. the main circle is a civil war. the americans were a couple years too late in the realization of what was going on. in 2006 they began to pull out. suddenly he wouldn't do them any more to iraq was occupied. by these random militiamen gathered around the monaco as i type about. people in weird uniforms, malicious hatchet points in different neighborhoods. you have warlords. to me it began to felix amalia, which i visited for the first time a year earlier. americans are

you can see what the army like to do here. presenting the protesters means they cannot cause trouble somewhere else. -- protecting the protesters. but they are also offering protection, and that is not sending they did before. at the very least, this could be buying time for president mubarak. some calm looks to be the first priority. when supporters tried to march to the square, they were stopped. that does not mean the army is taking sides. it is more about control. there were still isolated outbreaks of violence. there were mubarak people who manage to get within range of the square. inside the military cordon, thousands attended been in prayer. there were plenty in the square who did not play it, all kinds of egyptian supporting the protests. >> all we are asking them now is, please be with us. practice what you preach. we are going to try and make sure that egypt becomes a democracy for the first time in 5000 years. >> it is a week since the square was least -- seas. people with power have shaken the regime, but on a son,

rich people and rich people or an army. because they feel insecure there's still about two hundred thousand army personnel with compulsory military service for swiss males and private gun ownership for all conscripts living up to a local saying switzerland does not have an army it is an army not a pleasant prospect for young draftees like adrian feller who just don't see the point. to shoot. more. or. in my opinion an army to get some kind of false security if you say well i thought we can do. anything against terrorism they can't do anything against social problems and disorder so why should we we knew about five billion of swiss francs for something to help solve the problems we have the arguments are there give the swiss with jordi still can. not imagine a nation without their men in uniform you know classics is a good not only the political left support evolution we're still a minority in this country it's hard to convince the population because it's really a tradition that is deeply rooted in this way psyche the last t

it is also a conscript army, an army of the people. i think it was willing to give the mubarak a lot of play, and that probably surprised m with that speech in thursday where he dug in. i think that is what it felt it had to act or it would lose its position. >> on thursday, members of the military or walking to the crowds, trying to calm them, "don't worry, it will work out all right." >> it reminds me of the words of the twice american leader -- the wise american leaders said that, "those who make peaceful change possible make a violent change inevitable." -- those to make peaceful change in possible make mileage change inevitable." we have no idea, the vast majority of americans, about how vulnerable and faculty mubarak regime really was. until the first blow is struck, we don't really know. >> what we know, jeanne -- why don't we know, jeanne? >> nobody knew. when these things explode, there is a trigger. we know that autocracies crumble, but it could be in three or 50 years. >> jeanne, what do we now? >> i agree with charles. it i

the army has got to be the army, and the army has got to train on and be ready to fight our country's fights. you've still got a mission to do. you can't do it with this guy. he came from society. he needs to go back to society. >> narrator: since he was discharged, nash has been wandering around the united states, finding work as a welder when he can get it. he's still in touch with another veteran of third platoon who was also discharged for taking drugs. he now lives in a trailer park in texas. >> got back, got in ouble; had a drug test on friday, thought we had plenty of time to do whatever we wanted to; so got a little cocaine, did it; then, the next thing you know, monday morning, we had a 99% drug test, failed it. >> i was geared up. >> we didn't do much of ( bleep ) after that. went to formation and that was it. >> i kind of quit going to formation, actually. >> yeah. >> narrator: josh butler was no angel before he joined the army. he was kicked out of high school for smoking marijuana in 10th grade. since he was thrown out of the army, he's had more problems with alcohol and

>> i think a good, as long as the army stays intact, as long as the army's not drag it to one side or the other, remains a guarantor and -- a guarantor of the state. mubarak will be gone sooner or later, but it is the one institution that could midwives the transition period to elections, parliamentary and presidential. >> mark? >> every survey of public opinion in the united states says that one institution that is corrected and respected is the military did they could be the savior of egypt as well. i did it is the best hope. democracy it is unpredictable. we know that. that is why we don't know the outcome. we do hope more than expect. >> nina? >> i am probably butchering this quote from tokyo, so don't write to me if i do -- from tocqueville, so don't write to me if i do -- "the early period is where there is some success but total uncertainty." in a situation like this, it was everybody's idea of what a peaceful movement should be, and everybody is remiss -- is reduced to battle spirit you have an idea of how fast they could deteriorate. >> on friday, it went back to a peaceful d

particularly the army. you have to watch the army, because that's the only national organization in egypt today that's really viable, that is an organization. there is other things on the square, there is the passive masses, but only one organized institution. if there's there's a collision, all bets are off. if there isn't, then probably the move mubarak has propose willed become reality maybe in a slightly faster fashion. >> lehrer: let me pick up on dr. brzezinski. margaret has done a report outside on the newshour and there is a concern about people who are not in the square who want to go back to work. they've got their shops open but there's nobody there to buy anything. they were... they had a... we had a piece on that the other... and that's the... is that the majority or do you think the majority is ready for... we don't know, do we? >> we don't know. >> lehrer: ready for thing to go to blows, if it needs be. >> well, the majority at this point i think is watching. but my expectation is they are sp

parliament and suspends the constitution after president mubarak steps down and hands power to the army while the west tells it is a triumph of democracy analysts wonder if an external agenda could be behind the. terrorist model of claimed responsibility for moscow's deadly airport blast in january exposed that says in the country's security a major transport hubs. is in legal limbo waiting to see if he'll be extradited from london to stockholm to face questions over sex crime allegations his supporters claim it's washington's attempt to. back at the top stories from the past week the latest developments this is r.t. here in moscow the military supreme council in egypt has dissolved the parliament and suspended the constitution after president mubarak stepped down and handed power to the army following eighteen days of unrest across egypt the military authorities have now begun clearing the makeshift tents in tahrir square that had been the epicenter of the protests for hundreds of thousands of people president's resignation on friday was hailed by the u.s. president as a victory for de

he was a colonel in washington's army. i was with him through the whole course of the revolutionary war. there, human blood ran down in torrents till the waters of the river were red as crimson." (revolutionary war veteran james roberts) narrator: in the spring of 1775, england sent a detachment of 700 men to concord, massachusetts to destroy the colony's military supplies. paul revere passed the word that british regulars were coming and minutemen, both black and white, were waiting for them at lexington. prince esterbrook was among those patriots who were wounded. he was a slave. quote: "at lexington they did appear arrayed in hostile form, and tho our friends were peaceful there, yet on them fell the storm. thrice happy they who thus resign into the peaceful grave much better there, in death confin'd than a surviving slave." (poet/soldier/preacher lemuel haynes) narrator: two months later, the british once again took the offensive. free men of color were among the patriots gathered at bunker hill to stop them. england w

it's very much on lockdown but a citizen army has taken over. a citizens law enforcement. >> suarez: in your most recent move among the protestors, what do they say their intentions are? are they going to stay? >> well, i didn't really a lot of chatting with the protestors, i just went to the hospital and went back but it sounds like, yes, from what i understand speaking with them earlier today that they're planning on sticking around. the protestors, at least the ones who are so hard core they're going to be sleeping in the cold tonight in tahrir square, they are resolved to remain in their positions until president mubarak literally leaves office and they're not having any of this wait until september or wait until the fall when president mubarak claim he is won't be running again for president in the presidential elections. >> suarez: matt bradley of the wushl, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> brown: the violence in cairo drew new warnings from around the world today. u.n. secretary general ban ki- moon called the situation unacceptabl

in my opinion an army to get some kind of false security you say well i saw what the army can do and they can't do anything against terrorism they can't do anything against social problems and disorder so why should we lose every year about five billion of swiss francs for something to help us solve the problems we have the arguments are there get the swiss where jordi still can. not imagine a nation without their men in uniform. not only the political left subordinate militia and we're still a minority in this country it's hard to convince the population because it's really a tradition that isn't deeply rooted in this league. there's the rise of political islam and demagogy each one is leading. many swiss feel that abolishing the armed forces is a kid's a letting go of a tradition of losing that sense of security real or imagined so does a neutral country with no enemies really need an army while support for abolition is elusive the question has been asked and the debate is about to continue just are still here r.t. switzerland. your thought a lot from moscow i'll be back with a rec

the army here does a lot of business. max probably knows better than me but they're in the bottled water business, they run some resorts. so it's not clear how they're going to respond to the directions they are going to receive from their civilian lead >> rose: what might cause them to say enough? we have encouraged them to talk, we have stood back but we can't do it any longer in the interest of egypt. >> i think the army has been waiting to see the outcome of this standoff. >> rose: how long can they wait is the question? >> exactly. that's the question. and i think it's become perhaps too damaging to egypt. there has been... a lot of people predicted there would be attrition among the protestors. that they'd get tired and go home. and the statements that people like omar suleiman have been making has suggested there's an expectation they'll get tired and go home. it hasn't happened and in fact the protest movement seems of the gained new converts and gained more strength. that suggests that if you are sitting there as

interest to have a democratic transition because the army is authority will grow in egypt as it has in turkey if the army is seen as the guardian of egyptian democracy and not as a a new successor tyranny and in the line of pharaohs there may be many wondering that also i suppose been an open secret the way that america has funded the regime which has turned out to be corrupt by all accounts why do you think america really has poured so much money into is it more than just making sure that it has a friend and an ally in the region to pursue its policy in the middle east or is there more to it than that well that the u.s. got. in a sense step by step it got sucked into our. approach to the middle east where the middle east became the greater middle east including pakistan the most important focus of american foreign policy and in the case of egypt there were two dynamics at work one you had. the camp david accords and that sort of locked in a year early by another word egypt was being egypt's peace with israel was being paid for every year and if you look at it that way that helps ex

enemy just a tradition do you think that's what someone should have an army. for. certainly not a joke just makes fun you know. just play a big war against but we don't. we don't need. a nine hundred eighty nine referendum on the issue revealed that more than a third of the swiss are in favor of dissolution a figure significant enough to pressure the government to take some action to rein in military activity the size of the army and its budget while still a substantial four point five billion dollars have been cut and the option of joining the civil service instead was introduced it's not enough there is a political clout which means that the parliament is made moves a lot of rich people. i mean people want to know me. because they feel insecure there's still about two hundred thousand army personnel with compulsory military service for swiss males and private gun ownership for all conscripts living up to a local saying switzerland does not have an army it is an army not a pleasant prospect for young draftees like adrian feller who just don't see the point. t

they are a part of us. >> the army has always done a great job. we're proud of them. >> the generals were members of the elite, which benefited from the bark's rule. but many in the middle and lower ranks opposed the regime. many egyptians believed that is what the military did not crack down on the mass protests. >> the army has played an important role. it has done good work. i do not think it will take power. all its statements say it will transfer power to a civilian government and to the egyptian people. >> so far, the army's actions have been reassuring. we hope we will quickly hand over power to civilian government. >> so far, it appears the hopes may be fulfilled. >> let's go back now to middle east analyst with us. the uprpring was sparked by basic issueses such as unemployment and rising food prices. are these problems that can be resolved? >> well, the military cannot really address these problems. egypt is a very poor country. half of the 80 million egyptians live beyond the poverty line, less than two dollars a day. almost half of th

what is the position of the army? what we know of how it spreads itself between mubarak and the protesters? >> the army has always been ambivalent and disingenuous at the same time. it has pledged to protect the demonstrators, but, at the same time, it did not do anything to interfere when clashes, for example, happened between pro- mubarak and anti-mubarak demonstrators. it has not been very clear. it has an opportunity now to clarify that role. over the past couple of hours, we see protestors making their way to the presidential palace, protesting their. there will be a significant demonstration there. what role will the army play? that is the danger. not only was the speech an insult to the dignity of the egyptian people, but he has very strong military credentials and . that might trigger further violence from the demonstrators as we have not seen so far. the fact that they're heading toward the presidential palace may be a sign of chaos in the coming days. >> the army's role, obviously, the move barrett party --