noam chomsky is a particular useful guide to office. >> host: it is picked up on also ecological themes. he would like to criticize on kyoto. >> guest: this is a relative recent phenom. we interviewed him in 1997, john miller interviewed him in 1998 and he gave another interview to "time" magazine in 1999. usually about our foreign policy. to critique about foreign policy, from comic comes from his understanding of islam which i tried to make it clear in the book. not to include, to pretend that there is nothing, this is nothing to do with islam is saying the crusades had nothing to do with christianity. that it would make any sense. which is not a critique of islam. it's know that bin laden, there's enough ammunition in the koran. they are not in the wars of the prophet muhammed. so the sword versus the koran is proof. bin laden uses these verses repeatedly. these guys see themselves as defending islam. one of the reasons they're hard to deter if they believe god is on their side and they're defending true islam which gives him staying power. >> let me focus in on the foreign policy of

chomsky phrase but they're using these virtual personas by the thousands and tens of thousands of same company h.b. gary to try to manufacturing consent is part of the propaganda your thoughts on this if you've seen this when you think about this is there a legal precedent for this it sounds illegal to me you know i think that you know this has to be tied into the broader context which is there's one of obama's closest longest term associates ca sunstein who was formerly a law professor at the university of chicago who is now his chief regulatory officer in the white house who published a paper in two thousand and eight that talked about what he called cognitive infiltration of online communities and he described how where people gather on the internet and reinforce one another is what he believes to be false perceptions of the world false political views. mythical all conceptions of paintings that the government ahd a coordinate efforts of people who were covertly to infiltrate these communities online and rebut these ideas through pretending to be part of this community but in realit

chomsky have toyed with the idea of sparks of a revolution a class war but then again people like governor scott walker were elected democratically by a majority so you have to wonder if america's become polarized to the point of no return as threats of federal government shutdown also or if this is all just part of the plan to pit us against each other so we don't notice the consolidation of wealth and power in the hands of a few to discuss with me is anthony around as a director of economic research for the reason foundation and dean baker co-director of the center for economic and paula. research in washington thanks so much for being here tonight let's start plain and simple do you think scott walker is a union busters what he's doing politically motivated here. is it any other way i mean if you look at what he's put on the table that he's already got the financial concessions you want the union said will give you what you want terms of pay more for pensions paying for the health care where you can give the wage concessions but he's saying no we're going to take away your rights as uni

chomsky to a stripper in las vegas. [laughter] a muslim stripper in las vegas, is that right? >> not in las vegas. >> not in las vegas? i want to give you just one quote from pakistan paper, the daily times publishes saying about this book "the expand and death of "journey into america" is difficult to accurately portray. muslims and non-muslims especially in leadership positions must own a copy, dog fourier and return it -- return to it for the treasure house of information and sharp analysis that is. it will be the top of the town and you wouldn't want to be left out. here is professor ahmed. [applause] thank you, barbara. you have been such a friend and patron over the years. distinguished ladies and gentlemen, and this really is a distinguished audience, i can assure you. to me there is no better place to spend your time than what friends and among the books, and i am delighted that politics and prose provides both and has provided both over the years. so thank you to politics and prose and all of you for coming. i

i know that you deeply respect noam chomsky. i wonder if all in all when you rejected september 11th as a false claim in this country whether or not you had any question about his ability to question the corporate fascism that we live under -- >> i don't want to get into september 11th. a little close to home because i covered all qaeda for one year. i am willing to concede that i did not do the structural studies used to talk about how the building collapsed. on the other hand, by the end of that year much of my work was retracing every step that muhammed it often took. it is my belief that september 11th would not have happened without him. it did not -- the government was asleep at the switch, which is pretty much defined eight years of george bush that is not -- i have friends who are as passionate about it as you, but it is a long and difficult argument. >> well, we have a bill before congress for the last four years this young lady next to me and i have put together a bill for the third party and presented it to 19 congres